Wrist c0ck drills

[JetPilot]

Does anyone have a drill to get more wrist c0ck at lead arm parallel in the backswing? I'm finding that when my wrists are fully cocked halfway back is a key component to great ball striking, but I have a hard time getting there and feel more like Steve Stricker. 

[Shilgy]

14 minutes ago, JetPilot said:

Does anyone have a drill to get more wrist c0ck at lead arm parallel in the backswing? I'm finding that when my wrists are fully cocked halfway back is a key component to great ball striking, but I have a hard time getting there and feel more like Steve Stricker. 

My only suggestion would be have you filmed it?  “Feel more like Stricker” could be like me doing the keep the right arm straight drill.  Feels straight but nearly 90° bend.

[Ajgaguy83]

Here’s a good drill for ya. 

[MonteScheinblum]

The Harrington video is good, as is any Faldo type drill, but in this case, the Nike drill is the only one that works long term. 
 

Do it until you can do it.

 

Learning a musical instrument is do it until you can do it.

 

Eddie Van Halen didn’t pick up a guitar and start riffing.

 

There are two hurdles to getting better at golf.  
 

1. Finding the right info to help you improve.

2.  Sticking with it until you can do it, regardless of the shirt term success or failure.

 

Hard to find #1 and people stray from #2 LONG before they’ve got their Sisyphus rock over the hill.  Usually they let it go back down the hill less than a 10th of the way up and go look for a smaller rock that will be easier to go up the hill. 

[TomRUtah]

1 hour ago, MonteScheinblum said:

The Harrington video is good, as is any Faldo type drill, but in this case, the Nike drill is the only one that works long term. 

 

What is the Nike drill?  

[Scottbox]

40 minutes ago, TomRUtah said:

 

What is the Nike drill?  

[RobertBaron]

L to  L drill

[TheDeanAbides]

To add to what Monte said, get yourself in front of a mirror and apply the Nike drill over and over and over. Practice the wrist movements whenever there's a mirror nearby. Become familiar with the movment without a ball and then go hit some gentle P3 swings. Forget about full speed, full length swings until you have the P3 ones down. 

[tlinnert]

I can’t find what the Nike drill is. Any links or descriptions beyond L to L?

[TheDeanAbides]

10 minutes ago, tlinnert said:

I can’t find what the Nike drill is. Any links or descriptions beyond L to L?

The Nike drill isn’t a drill - it means “Just do it”. 

[tlinnert]

19 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

The Nike drill isn’t a drill - it means “Just do it”. 

Ha. Makes sense. Thanks. 

[Nicknomates]

Edited April 13 by Nicknomates
done in isolation of the swing as a drill

[tthomasgolfer605]

The best player in the world right now has a late hinge, (not full either) and arm overrun. Outlier? 

 

[iacas]

16 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

The best player in the world right now has a late hinge, (not full either) and arm overrun.

 

I wouldn't call that a late hinge:

 

[MonteScheinblum]

18 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

I wouldn't call that a late hinge:

 

….and the oldest woman in the world smokes 30 cigarettes a day.

 

The day golfers let go of the idea of finding an outlier to justify a swing problem is the day handicaps around the world down by 20%.

 

Koepka restricts his hip turn

Kenny Perry turned too flat

Ray Floyd whipped it inside

Collin Montgomery sways his hips

Phil has a vertical transition shaft 

Nicklaus drove the knees too much

Daly over bent his right elbow

Gary Woodland float loads and extends lead wrist 

Jim Furyk pins his left arm

Gordon Sargent starts turn his hips before his backsiwng is done 

Joakim Niemann gets his rib cage open too much and side bends too much 

 

Those guys all kick my a** but I’m not letting a golfer who can’t hit the face continue to do those things. 

 

Edited April 13 by MonteScheinblum

[JetPilot]

Thanks all - I believe the one piece takeaway that was at once "all the rage" has been ingrained for 20 years and tough to break. Maybe I misinterpreted it - but doesn't seem to get the wrists involved early enough. I can go very deliberately to P3 to get my wrists fully set - go from there - and ball striking and distance is fantastic. When I try to pick up the pace to get to P3 from address, I don't quite get to where I want to be. 

 

For now, being very deliberate to P3 is working fantastically - it just seems odd. 

[tthomasgolfer605]

1 hour ago, MonteScheinblum said:

….and the oldest woman in the world smokes 30 cigarettes a day.

 

The day golfers let go of the idea of finding an outlier to justify a swing problem is the day handicaps around the world down by 20%.

 

Koepka restricts his hip turn

Kenny Perry turned too flat

Ray Floyd whipped it inside

Collin Montgomery sways his hips

Phil has a vertical transition shaft 

Nicklaus drove the knees too much

Daly over bent his right elbow

Gary Woodland float loads and extends lead wrist 

Jim Furyk pins his left arm

Gordon Sargent starts turn his hips before his backsiwng is done 

Joakim Niemann gets his rib cage open too much and side bends too much 

 

Those guys all kick my a** but I’m not letting a golfer who can’t hit the face continue to do those things. 

 

That's a lot of outliers who won a crapload of majors and money. 

[Shilgy]

4 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

That's a lot of outliers who won a crapload of majors and money. 

And if you win a crapload of majors and money doing it you wouldn’t  get , well, crap.  
 

But if you’re doing those things and making crappy contact with no speed or control and an ailing back you’d get target out of that outlier move.

 

Just because someone can succeed doing it “wrong” doesn’t make it optimal.

[tthomasgolfer605]

1 minute ago, Shilgy said:

And if you win a crapload of majors and money doing it you wouldn’t  get , well, crap.  
 

But if you’re doing those things and making crappy contact with no speed or control and an ailing back you’d get target out of that outlier move.

 

Just because someone can succeed doing it “wrong” doesn’t make it optimal.

Maybe having a 90 degree wrist hinge at left arm parallel is wrong. Jack and Tiger did it wrong also? You guys are something else. 

[MonteScheinblum]

24 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

And if you win a crapload of majors and money doing it you wouldn’t  get , well, crap.  
 

But if you’re doing those things and making crappy contact with no speed or control and an ailing back you’d get target out of that outlier move.

 

Just because someone can succeed doing it “wrong” doesn’t make it optimal.

Bingo.  It’s staggering the lengths people will go to maintain their beliefs.

 

You can rationalize every swing fault and every unhealthy behavior if you try hard enough.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4b3bQ9RzLu/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

Edited April 13 by MonteScheinblum

[mattwood]

Here's a video that might help.

 

 

[tthomasgolfer605]

52 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Bingo.  It’s staggering the lengths people will go to maintain their beliefs.

 

You can rationalize every swing fault and every unhealthy behavior if you try hard enough.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4b3bQ9RzLu/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

I don't know why you won't address me directly. I'm saying that good/great golf can be played with an early/neutral/ and later set. Golf history has proven that for decades. I have a late set and Brad Hughes told me don't change it or my backswing because I cross the line a bit. You're the one who seems rigid with your beliefs when it comes to wrist hinge. 

[JetPilot]

I can tell an early wrist set is synching up my swing better (and establishing a better plane). Otherwise, it seems like I have to "catch up" at the top. For me the proof is in the pudding and it's a place I need to get to. The artistic/athletic part of it is finding the proper blend of wrist c0ck from the start of the swing to P3. But when I get to P3 with my wrists set - the rest of the swing seems effortless. 

[iacas]

32 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

I don't know why you won't address me directly.

 

Maybe he doesn't see/read your posts given history?

 

32 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

I'm saying that good/great golf can be played with an early/neutral/ and later set. Golf history has proven that for decades.

 

He wouldn't say otherwise. His post listed a bunch of major champions and their "unique" things.

 

But, like me, he also agrees that what a PGA Tour winner does, or a great junior player does, you may not want to change it… but if a ten handicap does it, it may not be worth trying to do the outlier stuff.

 

Seems like a pretty reasonable stance to take to me.

 

I also don't think he's talking specifically/only about late or early wrist set(s).

 

32 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

You're the one who seems rigid with your beliefs when it comes to wrist hinge. 

 

 

Edited April 14 by iacas
typo

[MonteScheinblum]

34 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

I don't know why you won't address me directly. I'm saying that good/great golf can be played with an early/neutral/ and later set. Golf history has proven that for decades. I have a late set and Brad Hughes told me don't change it or my backswing because I cross the line a bit. You're the one who seems rigid with your beliefs when it comes to wrist hinge. 

Ok here you go.  
 

Late wrist set causes arm over run in most golfers.  Arm over run causes most golfers to sequence poorly.  
 

The OP has both of these issues and Scheffler, you or what Bradly Hughes said (and I like him a lot) about having a late and less hinge has ZERO relevance to him.

I could make this exact analysis for every one of the players I listed and that’s the point that everyone else understood.

 

I would answer the rest of your post, but I would have to insult you to give an honest answer.

[Shilgy]

4 hours ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

Maybe having a 90 degree wrist hinge at left arm parallel is wrong. Jack and Tiger did it wrong also? You guys are something else. 

You guys?  In your other post you mention that “great golf can be played with early/neutral/ late wrist sets.  And you’re right, it “can” be.  

However…why do you call one late or early?  That phrase certainly implies they are the two extremes of playable.  So why is neutral preferable?  Because it makes everything simpler. 

 

That doesn’t mean if you came to a good instructor with a really late wrist set and were making terrible contact with mucho arm overrun that that wouldn’t be a target to be fixed.  But if you came to the same instructor with a late wrist set and the other parts match enabling you to stripe it he would best advise you to leave it alone.

 

Capisce? 👍

[tthomasgolfer605]

4 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Ok here you go.  
 

Late wrist set causes arm over run in most golfers.  Arm over run causes most golfers to sequence poorly.  
 

The OP has both of these issues and Scheffler, you or what Bradly Hughes said (and I like him a lot) about having a late and less hinge has ZERO relevance to him.

I could make this exact analysis for every one of the players I listed and that’s the point that everyone else understood.

 

I would answer the rest of your post, but I would have to insult you to give an honest answer.

 

[gato_plomo]

Wrist c0ck? My uncle taught me that. 

 

But really, it's been a problem for me too. The rebellion golf videos and athletic motion golf gave me a good idea on it. I went to my pro and he helped me get a good feel and I try to practice getting to that point in front of a mirror.

[Ajgaguy83]

6 hours ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

 

 

So you’ve got nothing to add and you just want to fight to fight. Makes sense……. 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

You don’t have to like what was said, but it doesn’t mean it’s not true. 
 

Also, what are your playing and teaching credentials?

 

Lastly, Shooter lost…… and since Happy is you’re speed you should try:

 

[MonteScheinblum]

8 hours ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

 

Lmao. Yea, I finished last….in a major championship where I should have been in a hospital bed.  This is like trolling someone by saying they are dating the ugliest hot girl in the Victoria ‘s secret catalogue. 

This is the same elite thinking that has you missing the point that EVERYONE else is getting including the OP.