8* Qi10 Core, Qi10 Tour 4W and 6W Now Available

[TheMoneyShot]

6 hours ago, Qegurezi said:

Out of interest have we 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt proven the dot head to be different? CG etc? I've seen a couple of claims but might not be across the full picture. 

I can’t comment on the Qi10 head, but I have had Dot heads in the past on older models and there is definitely a difference. 

[elwhippy]

The six wood has my attention. 

[jll62]

14 hours ago, Qegurezi said:

Out of interest have we 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt proven the dot head to be different? CG etc? I've seen a couple of claims but might not be across the full picture. 

 

Circumstantial evidence, but it's enough to figure out what's going on. First, the core V2 wouldn't be on the conforming list if there wasn't something different about the construction. Second, the fact that Rory is playing it is a strong indicator that it has a more forward CG profile. He could never play the regular core head because it spins too much. Third, the guy who does club work out on LIV (Ben Giunta, "thetourvan" on IG) has made posts talking about certain pros playing V2 and has shown how to make a retail core play more like a V2 (lighter rear weight, hotmelt forward).

 

So not 100% proof, but I think we all know what's going on without too much doubt.

[jll62]

Played 18 with the Qi10 core 8º today and was able to get some numbers on my buddy's GC3. Based on my pre-season testing of core 9º heads, spin was exactly what I would have expected from an 8º version: a couple hundred RPM lower, but too high. I guess I'll be doing some surgery on it to reduce weight in the rear and add some hot melt more forward. 

[mogc60]

On 6/22/2024 at 2:02 PM, jll62 said:

Played 18 with the Qi10 core 8º today and was able to get some numbers on my buddy's GC3. Based on my pre-season testing of core 9º heads, spin was exactly what I would have expected from an 8º version: a couple hundred RPM lower, but too high. I guess I'll be doing some surgery on it to reduce weight in the rear and add some hot melt more forward. 

I’m not saying this to be a punk…It’s an honest opinion. So in essence your creating something closer to the QI10 LS?  I would think you could grind the slider weight slightly and add that weight to the rear port and create the middle ground you seem to be looking for. 

Edited Monday at 01:27 AM by mogc60

[jll62]

1 hour ago, mogc60 said:

I’m not saying this to be a punk…It’s an honest opinion. So in essence your creating something closer to the QI10 LS?  I would think you could grind the slider weight slightly and add that weight to the rear port and create the middle ground you seem to be looking for. 

 

You could certainly go that route. I have an 8º LS and considered it, but decided against it because it starts to become a question of how much weight can you move. 

 

A question to ask is why does a core v2 head exist at all when TM could have easily taken the LS and used a lighter track weight for Rory, Scottie, etc., and then added mass to the rear. I think the answer is MOI. The core head doesn't need the internal support for the weight track, so by default there is going to be less weight forward. I would bet that tweaking a core head will result in a head that has a higher MOI than an LS modified as you suggest. The reason I was interested in the core over my LS was to get a bump in MOI.

 

 

 

[Qegurezi]

On 6/23/2024 at 5:51 AM, jll62 said:

 

Circumstantial evidence, but it's enough to figure out what's going on. First, the core V2 wouldn't be on the conforming list if there wasn't something different about the construction. Second, the fact that Rory is playing it is a strong indicator that it has a more forward CG profile. He could never play the regular core head because it spins too much. Third, the guy who does club work out on LIV (Ben Giunta, "thetourvan" on IG) has made posts talking about certain pros playing V2 and has shown how to make a retail core play more like a V2 (lighter rear weight, hotmelt forward).

 

So not 100% proof, but I think we all know what's going on without too much doubt.

Top info, cheers. 

[Valtiel]

6 hours ago, mogc60 said:

I’m not saying this to be a punk…It’s an honest opinion. So in essence your creating something closer to the QI10 LS?  I would think you could grind the slider weight slightly and add that weight to the rear port and create the middle ground you seem to be looking for. 

 

4 hours ago, jll62 said:

 

You could certainly go that route. I have an 8º LS and considered it, but decided against it because it starts to become a question of how much weight can you move. 

 

A question to ask is why does a core v2 head exist at all when TM could have easily taken the LS and used a lighter track weight for Rory, Scottie, etc., and then added mass to the rear. I think the answer is MOI. The core head doesn't need the internal support for the weight track, so by default there is going to be less weight forward. I would bet that tweaking a core head will result in a head that has a higher MOI than an LS modified as you suggest. The reason I was interested in the core over my LS was to get a bump in MOI.

 

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, Qegurezi said:

Top info, cheers. 

This is the same thing I was wondering as well and I think jll62 is right here, although IMO based on the MOI numbers i've seen you could in fact get an LS into the same horizontal MOI territory as the Core and Dot heads given how big the front weight is. I do however wonder where the vertical CG would end up in the process, so I'll hazard a couples guesses as to how the Core head came about instead of a modified LS head. 

Based on that article about the development of the Dot Head from a couple months back it came about based on some pretty exhaustive testing to get Scheffler into anything Qi10. A couple quotes stand out:
 

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Scheffler was coming to the end of his multi-year contract with TaylorMade, which meant he’d need to see something that confirmed the Qi10 coming down the pipelines was noticeably better than what he was playing before a switch would be considered.

 

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Another session just before Christmas reinforced Rietveld’s belief that Scheffler would eventually end up in the Qi10 core, but they weren’t quite there yet. So the journey continued.

“You could feel he had an affection to the core head,” he said. “He needed a fraction less loft, which is pretty common for him, but we were getting closer.”

Reading between the lines, and sometimes directly ON the lines, it sounds like everything that lead to the Qi10 Dot head was based around "Scottie Scheffler is the hottest thing in golf and his contract is up, we need to do ANYTHING to keep him". This becomes much less of an academic/scientific approach (although surely that factored in on the back end) and much more of an intimate "customer retention" sales approach. Or to put it another way, if the Qi10 Dot head exists via the whims of whatever Scheffler wanted then by definition this wasn't going to be a logical linear process focused on what was technically possible, it was whatever it took to make Scottie happy so he would re-up his contract. If they tried with a modified LS a few times and failed, it wouldn't matter if the LS could be modified further to get there, especially if Scottie felt that he was already closer with the Core head. Refining of the Core head would have continued in the place of the LS, and if the comments about matching all the measured stats of his Stealth 2 head lined up with using the Core as a starting point  anyway then all the more reason to work from there. And it could have been as simple as lack of availability of varied front weights for the LS at the time. Yes they could grind stock ones down, but maybe they needed to be ground down so much that is caused problems. Or maybe Scottie just liked the look of the Core head more, who knows lol. 

The point is they would do whatever they needed to keep Scottie on the roster, even if they meant making him a 6* QI10 Max head if it came to it i'm sure. 😅

Edited Monday at 08:09 AM by Valtiel

[Qegurezi]

3 hours ago, Valtiel said:

 

 

This is the same thing I was wondering as well and I think jll62 is right here, although IMO based on the MOI numbers i've seen you could in fact get an LS into the same horizontal MOI territory as the Core and Dot heads given how big the front weight is. I do however wonder where the vertical CG would end up in the process, so I'll hazard a couples guesses as to how the Core head came about instead of a modified LS head. 

Based on that article about the development of the Dot Head from a couple months back it came about based on some pretty exhaustive testing to get Scheffler into anything Qi10. A couple quotes stand out:
 

 

Reading between the lines, and sometimes directly ON the lines, it sounds like everything that lead to the Qi10 Dot head was based around "Scottie Scheffler is the hottest thing in golf and his contract is up, we need to do ANYTHING to keep him". This becomes much less of an academic/scientific approach (although surely that factored in on the back end) and much more of an intimate "customer retention" sales approach. Or to put it another way, if the Qi10 Dot head exists via the whims of whatever Scheffler wanted then by definition this wasn't going to be a logical linear process focused on what was technically possible, it was whatever it took to make Scottie happy so he would re-up his contract. If they tried with a modified LS a few times and failed, it wouldn't matter if the LS could be modified further to get there, especially if Scottie felt that he was already closer with the Core head. Refining of the Core head would have continued in the place of the LS, and if the comments about matching all the measured stats of his Stealth 2 head lined up with using the Core as a starting point  anyway then all the more reason to work from there. And it could have been as simple as lack of availability of varied front weights for the LS at the time. Yes they could grind stock ones down, but maybe they needed to be ground down so much that is caused problems. Or maybe Scottie just liked the look of the Core head more, who knows lol. 

The point is they would do whatever they needed to keep Scottie on the roster, even if they meant making him a 6* QI10 Max head if it came to it i'm sure. 😅

 

Hard to argue with much of that!!! Cheers

[ksavy17]

Has anyone tried the retail core head compared to the * core head. Wondering what the results are?

[nick]

6 wood arrived today. Looks fantastic! 

[belh22]

Anyone have a chance to hit the 4 wood yet? 

[ry1808]

7 hours ago, nick said:

6 wood arrived today. Looks fantastic! 

 

Enjoy.

 

I got this email last night...

 

[TheMoneyShot]

2 hours ago, ry1808 said:

 

Enjoy.

 

I got this email last night...

 

Yeah, that would be an instant cancel for me. 

[nick]

Looks l like the shaft may be backordered. I just put another 6 wood in my cart and it said available, shipping 7/3/24. See if you can change the shaft. Good Luck.

On 6/26/2024 at 5:51 AM, ry1808 said:

 

Enjoy.

 

I got this email last night...

 

 

[TheMoneyShot]

Will TM release the 13.5 Tour Rocket fwy as well? 

[jetro110]

On 6/26/2024 at 12:32 AM, nick said:

6 wood arrived today. Looks fantastic! 

Have any pictures at address? 

[svlido]

I got the 8 degree head and it's really good.  I have been playing the LS 9 degree turned down to 7.5 and the core 8 degree is just a lot more forgiving.  I did tip the Ventus an extra half inch and I'm getting really good numbers.  

[B_of_H]

i'm curious about the 6w too.  the TM fairways are pretty damn hot off the face and i need something I can manipulate high/low that goes a little further than most 7w if I jump on it but can also be used into greens with less than full swings.  I almost ordered a tsr 7w with a 1/2" longer shaft than stock.  Hopefully these don't get sold out super quick like the mini drivers.  

[AC168]

I have had and played a Core, Dot, and LS.  Based on my limited testing, Core spins too much and LS likes to go right.  Dot is 2/3 to 3/4 of the way to LS in spin, feels fairly forgiving, and is easier to draw.  That being said, it’s just what I’m finding and i don’t play a lot.

[Aces-6]

I would really like to try the 8* core head. I have been tinkering with a Qi10 LS 9* head and the lie angle is just too flat for my liking. The only shot I can hit with it is a fade which is not my standard shot shape nor my preferred flight. I love the way it feels and the sound it produces but I can't see me ever putting it into play.

[ry1808]

Ok. Call going in to TM on Monday…

[TheMoneyShot]

1 hour ago, ry1808 said:

Ok. Call going in to TM on Monday…

Might as well wait for the 2025 fwy offering at that point🤦

Edited 3 hours ago by TheMoneyShot