Traveling to Phoenix.....Some course info for you

[DrSchteeve]

OK, I know we all have our own opinions, but I am trying to reconcile dizzy dog saying Ocotillo is fantastic and fore_life saying don't bother. Anyone else with an Ocotillo opinion?

[One_Putt_Blunder]

Not a fan of Ocotillo. Too Florida for my tastes.

[DrSchteeve]

[quote name='One_Putt_Blunder' timestamp='1409703983' post='10053031']
Not a fan of Ocotillo. Too Florida for my tastes.
[/quote]

That's what I was thinking from the pictures and description. I realize I'm new to AZ, so at some point might like a change of pace from the desert, but for the most part, I'm in the desert, so I expect conditions to be like the desert. Kind of like looking at houses here - there were some with trees and bushes that looked like Ohio: why would I want that in AZ?

[fore_life]

[quote name='DrSchteeve' timestamp='1409706737' post='10053341']
[quote name='One_Putt_Blunder' timestamp='1409703983' post='10053031']
Not a fan of Ocotillo. Too Florida for my tastes.
[/quote]

That's what I was thinking from the pictures and description. I realize I'm new to AZ, so at some point might like a change of pace from the desert, but for the most part, I'm in the desert, so I expect conditions to be like the desert. Kind of like looking at houses here - there were some with trees and bushes that looked like Ohio: why would I want that in AZ?
[/quote]

Born and raised here, last thing I want to see is more stucco and desert lol

[Rohlio]

[quote name='DrSchteeve' timestamp='1409694704' post='10052001']
OK, I know we all have our own opinions, but I am trying to reconcile dizzy dog saying Ocotillo is fantastic and fore_life saying don't bother. Anyone else with an Ocotillo opinion?
[/quote]

Ocotillo is a completely contrived unremarkable golf course with far better options in the same price range. I would never recommend anybody waste a day golfing there with other better options available in that neck of the woods (Southern Dunes, Whirlwind, etc.)

[fore_life]

[quote name='Rohlio' timestamp='1409710783' post='10053831']
[quote name='DrSchteeve' timestamp='1409694704' post='10052001']
OK, I know we all have our own opinions, but I am trying to reconcile dizzy dog saying Ocotillo is fantastic and fore_life saying don't bother. Anyone else with an Ocotillo opinion?
[/quote]

Ocotillo is a completely contrived unremarkable golf course with far better options in the same price range. I would never recommend anybody waste a day golfing there with other better options available in that neck of the woods (Southern Dunes, Whirlwind, etc.)
[/quote]

Yep.

I'll play it if it pops up for $15 in the summer or $30 in winter, but other than that, other places are better

[DrSchteeve]

Thanks for that Ocotillo take. I will probably sound like a golf course snob (and I may be one), but there is too little time and there are too many great courses to spend time and money on courses that aren't.

[Joselo]

[quote name='fore_life' timestamp='1409694292' post='10051967']Are you only playing 4 rounds?[/quote]

yeap, thats what i was planning to do, sat/sun 13th/14th and then next week sat/sun

[Double K]

No offense to any of the other posters, but when reconciling opinions on wrx (this is exactly an opinion) lean heavily towards those who offer to assist you through PMs.

Jewofgolf, OPB and fore_life have all helped me in my search for south Phoenix golf.

Joselo: Play Aguila. It's a bargain at 3x the price.

[puttnforthe8]

[quote name='DrSchteeve' timestamp='1409694704' post='10052001']
OK, I know we all have our own opinions, but I am trying to reconcile dizzy dog saying Ocotillo is fantastic and fore_life saying don't bother. Anyone else with an Ocotillo opinion?
[/quote]

Well.....A) the dizzydog comment was from 2008. and B) he called Toka Sticks and Painted Mountain and others as top notch courses. If I did not know I would simply say that was a troll comment. But I think it was just someone that does nto play much at better courses.

Ocotillo is just a plain course through a housing community with lots of water and nothing distinctive. It does have some good holes(primarily Blue and White 9s), that if built on a different property would be quite good additions. I consider Ocotillo a place to go play a round on decent conditions when I don't want to travel far or deal with desert. But you definitely don't come to AZ and put it on the to do list.

[teejaywhy]

[quote name='DrSchteeve' timestamp='1409694704' post='10052001']
OK, I know we all have our own opinions, but I am trying to reconcile dizzy dog saying Ocotillo is fantastic and fore_life saying don't bother. Anyone else with an Ocotillo opinion?
[/quote]

Ocotillo is as vanilla, cookie-cutter, soul-less course as you may find in the PHX area. In fact, playing it may just cost you a piece of your own soul. 27 holes, 23 of them with water hazards in play, each one as unremarkable and forgettable than the previous. Southern Californians will feel right at home playing this Ted Robinson turd as he has littered that landscape with vast numbers of his unfortunate creations prior to dropping this one into the Arizona golf punchbowl.

[DrSchteeve]

[quote name='teejaywhy' timestamp='1409764474' post='10057271']
[quote name='DrSchteeve' timestamp='1409694704' post='10052001']
OK, I know we all have our own opinions, but I am trying to reconcile dizzy dog saying Ocotillo is fantastic and fore_life saying don't bother. Anyone else with an Ocotillo opinion?
[/quote]

Ocotillo is as vanilla, cookie-cutter, soul-less course as you may find in the PHX area. In fact, playing it may just cost you a piece of your own soul. 27 holes, 23 of them with water hazards in play, each one as unremarkable and forgettable than the previous. Southern Californians will feel right at home playing this Ted Robinson turd as he has littered that landscape with vast numbers of his unfortunate creations prior to dropping this one into the Arizona golf punchbowl.
[/quote]

Tom, I wish you would stop waffling and just tell us what you really think.

[jewofgolf]

[quote name='Double K' timestamp='1409763023' post='10057087']
No offense to any of the other posters, but when reconciling opinions on wrx (this is exactly an opinion) lean heavily towards those who offer to assist you through PMs.

Jewofgolf, OPB and fore_life have all helped me in my search for south Phoenix golf.

Joselo: Play Aguila. It's a bargain at 3x the price.
[/quote]

Double K, thanks for the comment. As always, take my green condition reviews with a grain of salt (very picky) - but I'm always happy to help!

[puttnforthe8]

[quote name='teejaywhy' timestamp='1409764474' post='10057271']
[quote name='DrSchteeve' timestamp='1409694704' post='10052001']
OK, I know we all have our own opinions, but I am trying to reconcile dizzy dog saying Ocotillo is fantastic and fore_life saying don't bother. Anyone else with an Ocotillo opinion?
[/quote]

Ocotillo is as vanilla, cookie-cutter, soul-less course as you may find in the PHX area. In fact, playing it may just cost you a piece of your own soul. 27 holes, 23 of them with water hazards in play, each one as unremarkable and forgettable than the previous. Southern Californians will feel right at home playing this Ted Robinson turd as he has littered that landscape with vast numbers of his unfortunate creations prior to dropping this one into the Arizona golf punchbowl.
[/quote]

Hey Tom....this would be a great list for you to make: Course Name, Course Designer and 1-2 word max TJY description. example: [color=#282828]Ted Robinson turd [/color]

[color=#282828]That would be one hell of a list!!! [/color]

[teejaywhy]

[quote name='DrSchteeve' timestamp='1409706737' post='10053341']
at some point might like a change of pace from the desert, but for the most part, I'm in the desert, so I expect conditions to be like the desert.
[/quote]

I rather like the Wigwam Heritage course (aka the West course, aka the Red course), for a traditional parkland style. Tree-lined but not claustrophobic at all, very generous from the tee. Fun greens (stay below the hole!). Probably "short" by today's standards, but that doesn't affect my game. The Gold course is also parkland, but bigger and brawnier. Have not played it since it was remodeled a few years back.

[az2au]

Ocotillo is one of my least favorite "good" courses in the Valley. Lived in FL for a while and hated every single thing about it but more than anything I just think the whole state is ugly. Ocotillo reminds me of that so...

[Reif]

Played Cholla at We Ko Pa this weekend.

It may be the kind of course that grows on you, but it's a very tough first time course.

Has to be five or six blind tee shots.

The yardage guide helps, but it's unexpected hitting a blind shot on a par five not knowing that you have to hit less than driver.

Course was in good shape, and we were *that* group and were kind of slow because a few of us were struggling.

If you hit a ball off line on a blind shot, it's very tough to find.

Anyway, I'm sure if you play it a few times it's fun, but I wouldn't recommend it for a one time deal, especially if your game isn't in shape.

If you play it, make sure you play the appropriate tees, that will help.

[One_Putt_Blunder]

[quote name='Reif' timestamp='1410486105' post='10104775']
Played Cholla at We Ko Pa this weekend.

It may be the kind of course that grows on you, but it's a very tough first time course.

Has to be five or six blind tee shots.

The yardage guide helps, but it's unexpected hitting a blind shot on a par five not knowing that you have to hit less than driver.

Course was in good shape, and we were *that* group and were kind of slow because a few of us were struggling.

If you hit a ball off line on a blind shot, it's very tough to find.

Anyway, I'm sure if you play it a few times it's fun, but I wouldn't recommend it for a one time deal, especially if your game isn't in shape.

If you play it, make sure you play the appropriate tees, that will help.
[/quote]
Number 2 and 8 the two par 5s on the front ruin that course for me. I've also learned better to hit driver on all the split fairway par 4s just hit it past everything. It took me about 6 rounds on it to start posting decent scores. Not a course you want to tip out unless you carry the ball 265+

Pace is always slow on that one because of the design

[Joselo]

just finished playing Aguila, great suggestion!

[fore_life]

[quote name='Joselo' timestamp='1410648122' post='10112999']
just finished playing Aguila, great suggestion!
[/quote]

Best value in the area IMO.

How were the conditions? Playing there Monday, can't beat it for $11 with cart and free replay!

[Joselo]

some cart paths are flooded, some other holes are packed with mosquitos; none affecting playin conditions though, i got the deal of 20 bucks with cart, excellent

[fore_life]

Cool thanks for the heads up on the Mosquitos, looks like I'll be wearing pants Monday

[Joselo]

dont know what im going to play tomorrow yet; might go back, i mean for 20 bucks?

i dont know if i should still consider the legacy or the raven at 50usd the round

[fore_life]

My buddy sent me a picture from the raven, the bunkers are totally mud. Not sure I'd want to put up with that for $50 haha

If you play Aguila again, here's some more info:
Replay is free to walk, or cart fee only to ride. Also, they have a fun par 3 course on site(you see it driving in next to the park) that is free to play with paid 18 hole green fee.

Papago is in solid shape and its between 44 and 41 bucks before noon, and they have a noon tee time hot deal for $15 with cart. That is a steal

http://www.golfnow.com/phoenix/tee-times/golf-courses/az---se-phx---mesa/papago-golf-course/search

[Joselo]

found a deal online for The Legacy at 22 bucks and i went today. its a great course and the conditions are very good.

[fore_life]

Nice! Good deal!

[Double K]

Any sense on how the flooding is going to affect the overseed schedule?

[LBRMGR]

Going to Scottsdale for a bachelor party in March. Was considering Troon North and We-ko-pa but wanted opinions on a 3rd course.

All NYers going for first time so no one has played desert style golf before...

[One_Putt_Blunder]

[quote name='jor17' timestamp='1411348761' post='10159633'] Going to Scottsdale for a bachelor party in March. Was considering Troon North and We-ko-pa but wanted opinions on a 3rd course. All NYers going for first time so no one has played desert style golf before... [/quote]

Take your pick that time of year, Grayhawk, Southern Dunes Legend Trail etc whatever fits your budget and time constraints ie hangovers

[Joselo]

played southern dunes yesterday, it is a beautiful course... i did a step back in my game tho, played horribly from the tee... it was overall a really great experince specialy due to the weather:

[attachment=2428809:ImageUploadedByGolfWRX Mobile1411354014.140607.jpg]