Graphite Design Tour AD DI 6x = HUGE disappointment!

[Aces-6]

Well, I just finished up 18 holes with my new Graphite Design Tour AD DI 6x FT Tour combo and I am greatly disappointed with this shaft. All I could do was hit high spinning balloon balls with this thing! Easily 10-15 yards shorter than the stock VooDoo that came in it.

 

The DI6 plays extremely soft to flex, EXTREMELY!!! I wonder if I tipped it 1/2" if that would help any at all?

 

Anyone else have a similar experience with this shaft? I'm going to give it another try tomorrow and if no joy, it's going on the chopping block!

 

 

[JCAG]

[quote name='Aces-5' timestamp='1288732450' post='2770890']
Well, I just finished up 18 holes with my new Graphite Design Tour AD DI 6x FT Tour combo and I am greatly disappointed with this shaft. All I could do was hit high spinning balloon balls with this thing! Easily 10-15 yards shorter than the stock VooDoo that came in it.

The DI6 plays extremely soft to flex, EXTREMELY!!! I wonder if I tipped it 1/2" if that would help any at all?

Anyone else have a similar experience with this shaft? I'm going to give it another try tomorrow and if no joy, it's going on the chopping block!
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Sorry to hear of your disappointment, but what made you choose this shaft?

Thanks

[swanry30]

my ball flight is typically very high moon balls. the di7x paired with my superdeep is nothing but long, tight, mid flight, LOW spin bombs... i would love to hear some of the other opinions! that sucks though... probably though you had a winner. always could try an axivcore green!

[kekoa]

Yup. I had this shaft when it first came out in a VR tour. I'm not even a fast swinger and the stiff felt like a wet noodle. Sold it literally the next day.

[bioman]

Tipping 1/2" would drop spin down a couple hundred rpm's at most.  If you are hitting balloon's either tip it a full 1" to start or look for a different shaft.  Have you hit 60 gram shafts before?  For me, I like to stick with 75+ gram shafts to keep the flight down as I am naturally a high ball hitter.

[Aces-6]

I'm just an idiot, plain and simple! A Diamana Whiteboard is the holy grail for me and I insist on tinkering with other shafts. The DI series was touted as being an ubber low spin shaft and [b][i][u]for me [/u][/i][/b]it's not even close to having that characteristic. I knew the launch would be higher with this shaft (which I like) but the spin is off the charts.

[rlheiman]

I install a DI-7 in my FT-9 Imix head and it bombs. I tipped it the typical 3/4" and it plays perfect. Long, high low spin bombs.

[dlefty]

Don't waste your time tipping it 1/2" with what you are describing, won't do much of anything for you. 1" to START is what you'd need, but if you are a White Board guy, stick with that. If you have to experiment, do an 'ahina. GREAT shaft! And since it is the next generation WHite Board, you are sticking with what you need characteristic wise.

[Russ757]

so what happens when you cheat on your mistress?

:0

[dakotus]

[quote name='Russ757' timestamp='1288747649' post='2771235']
so what happens when you cheat on your mistress?

:0
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Then YOU get tipped 1"

[Aces-6]

Well, I tipped it 1/2" last night and we will see what happens with it. I couldn't tip it a full inch because it would've played 44 3/4" and I prefer my driver at least 45.

Update to follow but I'm not optimistic.

[moonshine]

Buzzer sound.....crickets........you should have played it 44.75 and joy would have come your way! Next time consult me first!!

JK, but seriously I have not read that the DI is low spin material. Many I see hate the attas, but it feels like a noodle to me in 80g weight due to its flex profile. I absolutely love the thing in my 3 wood. I will agree with the axiv green sentiment. I have fubuki, rip, kaili, motore, attas right now, and the green was better than most of them! Good luck.



[size="1"]See what you get when you try and be like Tiger?[/size]

[Puppetmaster]

[quote name='dlefty' timestamp='1288740057' post='2771064']
Don't waste your time tipping it 1/2" with what you are describing, won't do much of anything for you. 1" to START is what you'd need, but if you are a White Board guy, stick with that. If you have to experiment, do an 'ahina. GREAT shaft! And since it is the next generation WHite Board, you are sticking with what you need characteristic wise.
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I agree with this on both counts, if there is that much additional spin that is killing such significant yardage, I'm not sure that 1/2" of tipping will help. It sounds like the profile of the shaft doesn't fit you. I had a similar experience with the stock X Con 6 in the FT-Tour, even though it was X-flex, I was getting 3500+ rpms of spin and it was 25+ yards shorter than my other driver on a Trackman. The head felt great though. Anyway, point is that the bend profile is a big factor in how it fits with your swing, not so much the flex or tipping.

And yes, I also agree that the Ahina is a great shaft, esp. if you're coming from a WB.

[OOO]

It must be a horrible fit, I put a 7S tipped 1" in a Supertri, CPM=263 soft X @ D2.5, absolutely perfect ball flight and my spin is 2200

[alexly]

may be you should go DI7x, the tip of DI7 is significantly stiffer than the DI6

[swanry30]

i was hoping that there would be more feedback on this topic. i would agree with alexly - the di7 is significantly stiffer in the tip section. i still love mine! for those who have played the di7 - are you still gaming it? if not what did you go to?

[alexly]

[quote name='swanry30' timestamp='1289851246' post='2791663']
i was hoping that there would be more feedback on this topic. i would agree with alexly - the di7 is significantly stiffer in the tip section. i still love mine! for those who have played the di7 - are you still gaming it? if not what did you go to?
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There's a magazine in japan which test all premium shaft that comes out in 2010 (from Jan to Aug) from Gaukken Sports Mook. (publisher)

[url="http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3913956"]http://www.hmv.co.jp.../detail/3913956[/url]

A guy with 105mph swing speed test out the shafts (all stiff flex) with same driver head, Nickent 4DX 9 degree, same insert depth,and the thing about DI is it's pretty high launch, but ultra low spin, just as mention in the GD website, it's lower than anything in the test and that includes kaili, whiteboard,speeder VC.2, fubuki alpha, GD 9003, project X 6.0. It launches on average 1 degree higher than the aforemention shaft but with on average 300rpm less spin.

And high launch does not mean a high ball, from the test the DI 7 has the lowest ball flight apex of all shaft tested. (WTF?)

[swanry30]

incredible information! i wish you could actually view the data online... thank you so much for the information. high launch with lowest ball flight apex is exactly what i like. something to get the angle of descent down with out compromising carry!

thanks alexly

[JinxyJ08]

So a few other threads are now saying the DI-6 does not play soft, so does it or not?

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='Aces-6' timestamp='1288734607' post='2770938']
I'm just an idiot, plain and simple! A Diamana Whiteboard is the holy grail for me and I insist on tinkering with other shafts. The DI series was touted as being an ubber low spin shaft and [b][i][u]for me [/u][/i][/b]it's not even close to having that characteristic. I knew the launch would be higher with this shaft (which I like) but the spin is off the charts.
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Not an idiot - just overlooked all the info that's available on shafts. DWB is a high bend low spin shaft... where as DI 6X is a mid-bend low spin shaft. Someone that has a fast and or a questionable transition and a reasonably high swing speed is going to realize shorter distances with any mid-bend shaft. The shaft will tend to lag back as your hands pass through the impact zone, and kick too late.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='JinxyJ08' timestamp='1302561489' post='3143562']
So a few other threads are now saying the DI-6 does not play soft, so does it or not?
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No, it does not play soft to flex.. it's a soft feeling shaft, as are DRedB and DBlueB. What's required is it needs to be fully loaded. it's also a mid-bend shaft for a certain type of swing. Correct flex, but wrong bend profile will realize shorter distances.

For example, I load a shaft hard and fast, often not reaching the top of my backswing. A mid-bend shaft such as DI feels soft, and surely comes up short to my prefered high bend shafts with stiff butt and tips.

[Facetious]

Very surprised to hear that you thought it was soft. I have a pretty high club head speed and this thing in my G-15 hit absolute low spin bombs. I played the DI-6 x tipped 1/2" at 44.75" and it played unbelievably well with a 125+ club head speed and actually spun lower than my ft-5/whiteboard combo that I played before and could not get rid of until this. I think you will see a difference with the shaft tipped. If the 1/2" doesn't work listen to "Moonshine", tip it the full inch and play it at 44.75" and you will love it.

[NJLee]

This is interesting to read. I thought when I got mine that it would be good fit for me. But I also have a problem with higher spin that I expected with this shaft. I have a 6 di6x untipped. Maybe I should try the ahina too.

[FAIRWAYFOUND!]

I have a DI 6X in a Superfast TP 8.5* tipped .5" and not only is it low spin but for me it isn't even that high launch! And I've been a VERY high spin player for a LONG time. My last combo was an R9 420 tour with a Miyazaki Black 72x Tipped .75" and yes that was much stiffer feeling but the DI 6 just feels smoother to me and I can feel the shaft bend more but not too much (like my Fubuki Tour 63X tipped .25" did). I get more roll with this combo than anything I've played in the past. BTW, I've also been fitted for a WB in the past (73x).

[MK7Golf21]

I had the same thing happen to me OP with the Fubuki Tour 63, felt like a wet noodle, Im sure they are almost identical. I felt a tour ad di6 in the store and it reminded me alot of the fubuki

[JinxyJ08]

this thread is so contradicting! lol !!!

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='JinxyJ08' timestamp='1302582010' post='3144881']
this thread is so contradicting! lol !!!
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Yep - because some people confuse "soft" feeling with "weak" to flex; there's a big difference. To know that difference however, one must know their swing mechanics and pick the right shaft for how they load and swing the shaft.

People like myself who load a shaft hard, and or have fast transitions, fast hands and swings benefit from high bend profiles with stiff tips. People who load with a full easy smooth transitions, but still might have fast SS's, benefit from mid-low bend profiles. It's not rocket science. What it says though, is too many buy shafts using the wrong influences... namely enthusiastic db banter that says wow, this or that shaft is 20yds longer, and gotta have it.

[minhjn]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1302630710' post='3146393']
[quote name='JinxyJ08' timestamp='1302582010' post='3144881']
this thread is so contradicting! lol !!!
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Yep - because some people confuse "soft" feeling with "weak" to flex; there's a big difference.

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+1

[JinxyJ08]

See I think a BlueBoard is soft feeling, where as a YS-6+ is weak to flex. So it's not rocket science you're right and I'm sure a few of these guys posting are intelligent enough to know that as well. I know it's all swing dependent but I can completely see how a mid bend with a softer tip can be "weak" compared to say my
whiteboard. It actually is a weaker shaft in terms of tip section so maybe that's it?

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='JinxyJ08' timestamp='1302631732' post='3146499']
See I think a BlueBoard is soft feeling, where as a YS-6+ is weak to flex. So it's not rocket science you're right and I'm sure a few of these guys posting are intelligent enough to know that as well. I know it's all swing dependent but I can completely see how a mid bend with a softer tip can be "weak" compared to say my
whiteboard. It actually is a weaker shaft in terms of tip section so maybe that's it?
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I agree with your BB vs. YS6 measure, and there are some people that know the difference; but most don't based upon what's typically written in various threads. There's nothing wrong with not knowing either, except for poor communications when providing feedback.

Possibly you missed my point of what constitutes weak vs. soft. Weak is the typical comment when either a soft or weak shaft is in the hands of someone that loads it hard, and doesn't know or appreciate the difference between weak and soft, and only knows firm tip, high bend.

Weak to flex is basically a cheaply made shaft with poor tolerances; where as soft feeling can be a well made shaft like DBB and DRB, or say a Fubuki and others with active tip sections and soft butt sections that are designed to feel softer at impact then other shafts. I was testing a TOUR AD YSQ-ST 75 gram with high bend and 2.4 torque in my 4wd... this shaft plays firm to its flex... due to high bend, stiff tip section, moreover its 2.4T. If someone didn't know better, hit that setup and then hit a DBB, which is mid-high bend - uniquely rolled during mfging, with 3.0 torque, its probable they'd think DBB played soft to flex when in fact its made to feel softer then other shafts.