Mavrik vs SIM

[DFS PFD]

Yet another reason everyone should just get fit, I couldn't make Mavrik or SZ work for me, but SIM has been an absolute fairway finding unit for me this year. GO GET FIT

[getitdaily]

Even the cobra speedzone extreme took 18 drives to get 10 keepers, that's 55.5% fwys hit

[BostonWRX]

If I remember right Matt has said SIM is most stable driver he has hit Numerous time

[getitdaily]

IIRC, I think he said most stable TM head...?

Regardless, they should tweak the formula to drop the score for every 5% drop in fwy hit. Something like 5 yards off the score every 5% drop.

TM would have ended up at 293 and change

Mavrik would have ended up at 283.

It's a best driver contest that doesn't reward accuracy at all.

[Z1ggy16]

Matt also got "fit" for each combo during a live fitting in which he hit balls for like 2-3 hours, made over 100 swings and was answering questions with Ian. He's hitting balls at max or near max effort multiple times a week during the first few months of the year so the channel can put out a lot of content. Could be he was going in and out of a groove that day, or one shaft is more ideal for him...who knows. We don't see the ones they toss out either. If Matt hits one 25mm out of the toe, are you really going to blame the club if he misses the fairway?

You can't draw anything meaningful/statistically significant from these videos guys. This is for FUN.

[getitdaily]

He plays at a pretty good level. If he was fit into that shaft/head combo and hit it bad then yes. If the club gets credit for the good then it owns partial fault in the bad...

[boycer]

Good job paying attention to the details if that is the case. It is really disappointing that they wouldn't share that information.

[Z1ggy16]

Sure but without knowing how/why he missed nothing meaningful can be drawn from shots that were excluded. They need it to be fair, so the easiest/quickest way to do it is taking the best possible 10 shots he could hit. If they had hundreds of hours they could do something like M.G.S. does and build in some kind of SG18 analysis, but that's not what they are after.

[getitdaily]

I'm not junking on the txg guys. They've stated why they pull shots out. But they need to tweak the formula to account for accuracy...especially since matt was fit into each combo.

[getitdaily]

I get it. But maybe they should tweak the formula to deduct for inaccuracy. After all, with matt being fit into each combo doesn't it say just as much good for sim that it took 14 drives as it says good for mavrik for being so long and accurate on the keepers?

[Z1ggy16]

The fairway he is hitting into is like 50-60 yards wide where he lands it. If he's missing the fairway, it's a bad SWING, not something because the head or shaft suddenly goes wacky. You're overthinking this I'm pretty sure. Just enjoy it for what it is, some fun content and entertainment.

[getitdaily]

I like to analyze stuff...it's partly how I enjoy those videos.

And btw, i get a bad swing...but with mavrik , 2nd set, he hit 4 or 5 straight "non-keepers". So...

[Z1ggy16]

IDK what to tell you my friend. If Matt (or anybody) is missing a 60 yard wide landing zone, it's just simply not the head or the shaft. If he went 4 in a row missing, then it means he made 4 bad swings... If anything it'd be more on the shaft and how he's timing it and not as much the head. But again... he's been fit. I'd blame it more on fatigue and the fact he's actually not - despite all evidence pointing to the contrary - a robot. If you watch him in live fits, he certainly can make some poo-poo swings.

I wouldn't read into it though srsly. If you want to analyze something I'd go try and figure out what's going on with stocks right now or something. Let us know when the bottom is coming so I can put a bunch of money in my mutual fund or something.

[getitdaily]

You really can't go wrong putting money in right now. But you can probably wait another 2-3 weeks and still make like a bandit.

I almost did a HELOC on my house to pull all the equity out of it to throw some short term (6-8 months) gains.

[denvergolf]

Seriously...why do we even care about the results from someone who can’t hit 1/2 the fairways with a very forgiving head in the Mavrik?

[My2Dogs]

I’ve got both the Mavrik 9* and Sim Max 9*. At first I couldn’t keep anything consistent with the Sim Max. Weight was too light I found out and had J13 add some hot melt in neutral. Helped as now I can hit it pretty well. If I get a hold of one the Sim Max is a little longer than the Mavrik. However overall the Mavrik is longer and straighter for me. Played yesterday. Front 9 with the Mavrik and back with the Sim. Didn’t get a chance to warm up as I got to the club house and I was early to hit balls and warm up. They said there’s an opening and to go. Grabbed my bag from the trunk and raised to the tee. Even with that the Mavrik was straighter. All my misses are right with the Sim Max. Mavrik is a baby fade at most and most are dead straight. Playing both neutral and no changing of lofts. Both paired with Ventus Black and had J13 add weight to both so they are both around 200grams.

Mavrik all the way and about a week ago I had some bombs with the Mavrik. All dead straight. Like the look of the Sim Max at address but I’m going to stick with the Mavrik at it’s easier to hit off the fairway than through or around trees.

[J13]

Can't believe you fell for the old "playing honma's" trick. Sucker! haha. You will love them because they are $$$

[J13]

Can't use those Shot numbers. Watch other reviews and you'll see why. You have no idea what those other shots were. Some videos start with the 2nd driver at shot 53. So do you think it took 53 shots to get 5 shots in play for a 2hcp player?

[KevCannon]

It’s amazing how many people don’t look at the shot numbers on those videos, lol. Their videos are fantastic and packed with information, but more people need to look at shot number just for some perspective.

[getitdaily]

We absolutely can use those shot numbers. Here's why...

If you look at several of the videos you'll see that most of the shots thrown out are only 1 or 2 between the shots kept. Often times the shot thrown out is just 1 between (shot 5 kept, 6 thrown out, 7 kept). Further, in the sim.max video every shot was kept.

I made an assumption that they're not tweaking driver settings mid-bracket comp. That assumption is based on

1. There was a fitting video to setup the bracket challenge.

2. They aren't throwing out a bunch of shots between keepers. The biggest "throw out volume" between shots was 4, in one of the g410lst battles.

So the shot numbers are VERY relevant.

As for other videos, these aren't other videos. These are challenge matchups for fitted combos. There may be some other shots going on between driver sets, but they don't appear to be tweaking driver settings between sets. That would invalidate the matchup.

And yes, I do believe it's taking 50 shots to get through the matchups. Why? Because it's usually taking over 40 shots just to get the 20 keepers...that's without counting throw away shots when they swap from one driver to the next.

I've watched all the videos and logged shots kept. The shot counts are relevant.

[getitdaily]

From another thread where I posted even more detail (and updated with today's video numbers)

Went back and reviewed all of the bracket videos last night. They only keep shots that land in the fairway and only shots that are within 10mm of center. They claim that about 15% of shots that land in the fwy are eliminated for bad strike and that about 65% of shots are kept in the fwy. Tracking shot numbers, I saw some interesting numbers. Here's the "keep" rate of all the drivers so far:

SIM MAX - 100% (yep, every shot hit was kept)

SIM - 71.4%

Speedzone extreme - 58.8%

G410lst - 47.6% and 47.6%

Mavrik max - 47.6%

Mavrik standard- 47.6%

Ts3 - 47.6%

Mavrik sz - 45%

Cobra speedzone - 41%

SIM family still on top for distance plus quality strikes. No other driver even comes close.

[Z1ggy16]

You're still going on about this? The parameters are clear: Shot must hit fairway, & anything outside of 10mm from the center of the face is tossed. So a shot can even hit the fairway but be a bottom strike at 11mm and isn't used. The whole point is basing the scoring off apples to apples data on strike since that must be controlled here. Any control system establishes control limits, and also almost always ignores outliers.

This is way more about Matt's swing and way less about the club head or whatever it is you're thinking you're analyzing about this. Furthermore, now that Matt has hit some drivers in the test more than once... the "total score" is updated. The 2nd time he hit TS3 he absolutely smoked his old TS3 score. Did TS3 suddenly become 10% better. NOOPE.

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME lol.

[bogeypro]

Mavrik is simply better, but muh shot counts. LoL

[QuigleyDU]

I had very similar results. All drivers were really really good. At first took me some time to figure out how to get the SIM air born, but I knew it would be good. So after lots of tinkering and playing around with lofts, and a few shaft changes. I found the golden ticket.

 

 

 

[QuigleyDU]

I have, It was good but for me I could not get the same numbers. Interestingly the TS4 did better for me.

[getitdaily]

Not wasting my time. I enjoy the analysis. You don't have to reply if you don't care for the numbers.

[getitdaily]

Mavrik standard was better, about half the time...

[BostonWRX]

Got to update that signature

[Z1ggy16]

You seem like a smart guy so I get it, but you're trying to analyze information that isn't available. All you know is *maybe* a shot isn't included... you've got no idea why or how bad it missed. There's a chance Matt hits one 11mm low of center, hits it exactly on the line but it's 10-20 yards short of norm. They would toss out that shot which in real life would be perfectly fine to 99.9% of the golfing population. How does that prove anything? To say SIM is somehow more accurate because they excluded less shots is somewhat misleading... if not just plain incorrect.

If you'd like, I can ask Ian or any of his guys what the opinion is on the accuracy of SIM in the shop. See if they think it's 10-15% more accurate at hitting fairways or whatever.

...and I'm not supposed to say, but the website that shall not be named, puts SIM as the 2nd worst in dispersion and SIM Max is about middle of the pack in the 2020 testing. I'm not trying to hate on SIM because it looks and sounds incredible but this TXG video series shouldn't confirm SIM is now the most accurate driver on market or something. Everybody needs to hit and get fit.

[getitdaily]

I'd love to know their opinion. I'm not trying to hate on any of the other drivers. I've been clear in other threads that mavrik is really, really good. Cobra and ping always spin up for me. I didn't care for sim max as much as I did for sim. Sim max wasn't much better than m6 for me. But sim was special in testing but I had a love/despise relationship with it for the first 3 weeks on course. But then I got it dialed in and it's amazing. I'm a firm believer in movable weight tech. Had I moved away from sim then I'd have gone to ef sz for the movable weight tech.

We have differing opinions on the txg videos. What those videos say is that for the approximately 10 times you hit driver in a normal round, half of them are bad. If matt took those simulator sessions to the course and played each driver then you're going to tell.me sim max wouldn't be in his bag?