It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

jonn443 · September 27, 2015

[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1443325037' post='12372658']
Bill Hass indeed plays the [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/276495/bill-haas-winning-witb/"]ST Proto, aka 105[/url].

However,

Henson plays [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/290525/henrik-stenson-witb-2015/"]120x[/url].

Sergio plays [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/282347/sergio-garcia-witb-2015-2/"]130x[/url].

As for J. J. "Mr. Dynomite" Walker, he may have played the ST protos, but he's bagging the [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/104872/jimmy-walker-witb/"]DG ATM this year.[/url]
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Ok,so I'm off a bit, I got haas right.

I know there is at least one other guy playing the ST. I saw it on this forum somewhere. Anyone know who the other guy is?

DRRicks · September 27, 2015

[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1443397646' post='12375458'][quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1443325037' post='12372658']
Bill Hass indeed plays the [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/276495/bill-haas-winning-witb/"]ST Proto, aka 105[/url].

However,

Henson plays [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/290525/henrik-stenson-witb-2015/"]120x[/url].

Sergio plays [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/282347/sergio-garcia-witb-2015-2/"]130x[/url].

As for J. J. "Mr. Dynomite" Walker, he may have played the ST protos, but he's bagging the [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/104872/jimmy-walker-witb/"]DG ATM this year.[/url]
[/quote]

Ok,so I'm off a bit, I got haas right.

I know there is at least one other guy playing the ST. I saw it on this forum somewhere. Anyone know who the other guy is?[/quote]
Some dude from Srixon. McGirt maybe?

MJisGOAT · September 27, 2015

[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1443397646' post='12375458']
[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1443325037' post='12372658']
Bill Hass indeed plays the [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/276495/bill-haas-winning-witb/"]ST Proto, aka 105[/url].

However,

Henson plays [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/290525/henrik-stenson-witb-2015/"]120x[/url].

Sergio plays [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/282347/sergio-garcia-witb-2015-2/"]130x[/url].

As for J. J. "Mr. Dynomite" Walker, he may have played the ST protos, but he's bagging the [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/104872/jimmy-walker-witb/"]DG ATM this year.[/url]
[/quote]

Ok,so I'm off a bit, I got haas right.

I know there is at least one other guy playing the ST. I saw it on this forum somewhere. Anyone know who the other guy is?
[/quote]Didn't Mahan get a win with the ST proto?

bigdriveandy · September 27, 2015

72 Pages about Nippons? What did I miss?

braincramp52 · September 28, 2015

[quote name='andersi' timestamp='1443407473' post='12376324']
72 Pages about Nippons? What did I miss?
[/quote]

That's what I was wondering. I'm sure not going back through to try to find out but Nippon must be making shafts with magical pixie dust in them.

3_Putt_Par · September 28, 2015

[quote name='lawsonman' timestamp='1443436873' post='12377040']
[quote name='andersi' timestamp='1443407473' post='12376324']
72 Pages about Nippons? What did I miss?
[/quote]

That's what I was wondering. I'm sure not going back through to try to find out but Nippon must be making shafts with magical pixie dust in them.
[/quote]

Not pixie dust, just good steel iron shafts that flat out perform for almost any kind of swing. I think that people are excited about shafts other than those made by True Temper and KBS. It's always nice to have options and I think Nippon makes some damn fine steel shafts that deserve a look, as well as graphite shafts, but that's another thread.

Basically, it all boils down to the fact that this is GolfWRX and WRX'ers are always on the lookout for something to satiate the inner club ho and perhaps that's what this thread is about, all 72 pages, 2100+ posts and almost 185k views...and counting....

jonn443 · September 28, 2015

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1443400523' post='12375706']
[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1443397646' post='12375458']
[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1443325037' post='12372658']
Bill Hass indeed plays the [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/276495/bill-haas-winning-witb/"]ST Proto, aka 105[/url].

However,

Henson plays [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/290525/henrik-stenson-witb-2015/"]120x[/url].

Sergio plays [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/282347/sergio-garcia-witb-2015-2/"]130x[/url].

As for J. J. "Mr. Dynomite" Walker, he may have played the ST protos, but he's bagging the [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/104872/jimmy-walker-witb/"]DG ATM this year.[/url]
[/quote]

Ok,so I'm off a bit, I got haas right.

I know there is at least one other guy playing the ST. I saw it on this forum somewhere. Anyone know who the other guy is?
[/quote]Didn't Mahan get a win with the ST proto?
[/quote]

I show he plays Dynalite XPs. I thought he had played Nippon farely recently as well.

bigdriveandy · September 28, 2015

[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1443439212' post='12377104']
[quote name='lawsonman' timestamp='1443436873' post='12377040']
[quote name='andersi' timestamp='1443407473' post='12376324']
72 Pages about Nippons? What did I miss?
[/quote]

That's what I was wondering. I'm sure not going back through to try to find out but Nippon must be making shafts with magical pixie dust in them.
[/quote]

Not pixie dust, just good steel iron shafts that flat out perform for almost any kind of swing. I think that people are excited about shafts other than those made by True Temper and KBS. It's always nice to have options and I think Nippon makes some damn fine steel shafts that deserve a look, as well as graphite shafts, but that's another thread.

Basically, it all boils down to the fact that this is GolfWRX and WRX'ers are always on the lookout for something to satiate the inner club ho and perhaps that's what this thread is about, all 72 pages, 2100+ posts and almost 185k views...and counting....
[/quote]

I'm cool with all that but Nippon has been making great shafts for a long time...why all the attention now?

MJisGOAT · September 28, 2015

[quote name='andersi' timestamp='1443447965' post='12377640']
[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1443439212' post='12377104']
[quote name='lawsonman' timestamp='1443436873' post='12377040']
[quote name='andersi' timestamp='1443407473' post='12376324']
72 Pages about Nippons? What did I miss?
[/quote]

That's what I was wondering. I'm sure not going back through to try to find out but Nippon must be making shafts with magical pixie dust in them.
[/quote]

Not pixie dust, just good steel iron shafts that flat out perform for almost any kind of swing. I think that people are excited about shafts other than those made by True Temper and KBS. It's always nice to have options and I think Nippon makes some damn fine steel shafts that deserve a look, as well as graphite shafts, but that's another thread.

Basically, it all boils down to the fact that this is GolfWRX and WRX'ers are always on the lookout for something to satiate the inner club ho and perhaps that's what this thread is about, all 72 pages, 2100+ posts and almost 185k views...and counting....
[/quote]

I'm cool with all that but Nippon has been making great shafts for a long time...why all the attention now?
[/quote]Exposure

markheardjr · September 28, 2015

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1443448511' post='12377680']
[quote name='andersi' timestamp='1443447965' post='12377640']
[quote name='3_Putt_Par' timestamp='1443439212' post='12377104']
[quote name='lawsonman' timestamp='1443436873' post='12377040']
[quote name='andersi' timestamp='1443407473' post='12376324']
72 Pages about Nippons? What did I miss?
[/quote]

That's what I was wondering. I'm sure not going back through to try to find out but Nippon must be making shafts with magical pixie dust in them.
[/quote]

Not pixie dust, just good steel iron shafts that flat out perform for almost any kind of swing. I think that people are excited about shafts other than those made by True Temper and KBS. It's always nice to have options and I think Nippon makes some damn fine steel shafts that deserve a look, as well as graphite shafts, but that's another thread.

Basically, it all boils down to the fact that this is GolfWRX and WRX'ers are always on the lookout for something to satiate the inner club ho and perhaps that's what this thread is about, all 72 pages, 2100+ posts and almost 185k views...and counting....
[/quote]

I'm cool with all that but Nippon has been making great shafts for a long time...why all the attention now?
[/quote]Exposure
[/quote]
Nippon was known for lighter weight stuff. They put the PGA Tour in their crosshairs and started making heavier stuff, stiffer, the kind that US players like. They've owned Japan for years. They want USDM. Since the Modus protos and Modus Tour line have come out they've had great success. The red logo is easy to spot. (As long as people like Paul Casey don't remove the labels! FYI, he's still playing ORA protos.)

MJisGOAT · September 28, 2015

I played a round today with the old trusty s400 TI against my current gamers Modus 125. While I am a fan of DG and would probably go back to them if it were not for the Modus line, but after adapting to the Modus feel, I don't think that's an option.

https://youtu.be/xNN3VBZOQvA?t=1m36s

I bet this is the shaft they are comparing to in the video, as these were the results I was seeing. DG does have that familiar OOMPH though, I understand why they are the Gold Standard (were IMB). It's hard to believe that they are in the same weight class, the 125's feel so much easier to load, but I guess that's the difference in DG OOMPH vs. Nippon "gasmic".

Qegurezi · September 28, 2015

I played the 130's and thought them a bit heavy for me, do the 125 "play" lighter?

MJisGOAT · September 28, 2015

[quote name='Qegurezi' timestamp='1443481684' post='12380788']
I played the 130's and thought them a bit heavy for me, do the 125 "play" lighter?
[/quote]I don't have any hands on with the 130's, but 125's have the weight and feel, but it's such a uniform feel that it feels much more natural throughout the swing (easier not necessarily lighter).

Like Mark mentioned several times throughout the thread, KBS feel with DG performance=Modus 125.

The 130's heft is in the hands, so that may be what you felt.

Big Ben · September 28, 2015

For my smooth tempo and passive aggressive swing I haven't found a better steel shaft than Nippon's over the years; 950's, 1050's and 1150GH all amazing options and been around for quite some time. I'm now gaming Modus 120's in both sets of gamers and without a doubt they are the best feeling most consistent steel shaft I've personally ever used, amazing. I'm not sure why but my first go around with the early Modus options didn't do it for me but the 120's are MONEY. BB

SAM_PGA · September 28, 2015

I've been a long time Modus 120x user for about the last 4 years at least. Last week I was fit for the new 716 AP2 irons and nothing beat the launch conditions of my 120x except for one shaft... the ST Proto x-flex, hard-stepped once. These irons produced +2mph ball speed AND reduced my spin on a 7i to that of my current 6i. My spin is generally on the high side with a AOA of -6* and this ST Proto hard-stepped is the first shaft that has controlled my spin. I have ordered my AP2's with the Modus 105x hard stepped once!

beluga99 · September 28, 2015

Great thread and thanks for all the information. A question on the 105 being offered in the new Ping I irons, what sort of swing would it suit? Aggressive or smooth tempo? Early or late release? Or is it more of a general all rounder? Cheers

GC70 · September 28, 2015

[quote name='sampga1976' timestamp='1443489778' post='12381532']
I've been a long time Modus 120x user for about the last 4 years at least. Last week I was fit for the new 716 AP2 irons and nothing beat the launch conditions of my 120x except for one shaft... the ST Proto x-flex, hard-stepped once. These irons produced +2mph ball speed AND reduced my spin on a 7i to that of my current 6i. My spin is generally on the high side with a AOA of -6* and this ST Proto hard-stepped is the first shaft that has controlled my spin. I have ordered my AP2's with the Modus 105x hard stepped once!
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That's great to hear. So Titleist is offering the 105's?

jay65 · September 29, 2015

[quote name='GC70' timestamp='1443497013' post='12382202']
[quote name='sampga1976' timestamp='1443489778' post='12381532']
I've been a long time Modus 120x user for about the last 4 years at least. Last week I was fit for the new 716 AP2 irons and nothing beat the launch conditions of my 120x except for one shaft... the ST Proto x-flex, hard-stepped once. These irons produced +2mph ball speed AND reduced my spin on a 7i to that of my current 6i. My spin is generally on the high side with a AOA of -6* and this ST Proto hard-stepped is the first shaft that has controlled my spin. I have ordered my AP2's with the Modus 105x hard stepped once!
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That's great to hear. So Titleist is offering the 105's?
[/quote]

Just about to ask the same question, or whether he was fit at an 'independent'. Extremely curious to know.

jay65 · September 29, 2015

Just found out direct from Titleist, that the Pro Modus 105 had indeed passed their validation procedure, and can therefore be ordered with the 716 irons. One caveat is that if the shafts are in the country at the Nippon distributors for the relevant country, then the build time will be no more than any other custom order because it'll take Titleist just 3-4 days to get them, but if the Nippon distributor in the Country of order doesn't have them in stock, then the order would be placed but the shafts would come direct from Japan, and could take up to 3 months!!

So just be aware guys, if you want to order the Pro Modus 105 in the 716's then fine, but make sure that your Pro knows to ask Titleist to find out if the Nippon distributor has them in stock or not, otherwise you could be waiting a while. Or better still, contact your own Nippon distributor for your area to find out stock levels from the horses mouth, it's what I have just done, and they were extremely helpful.

SAM_PGA · September 29, 2015

[quote name='sampga1976' timestamp='1443489778' post='12381532']
I've been a long time Modus 120x user for about the last 4 years at least. Last week I was fit for the new 716 AP2 irons and nothing beat the launch conditions of my 120x except for one shaft... the ST Proto x-flex, hard-stepped once. These irons produced +2mph ball speed AND reduced my spin on a 7i to that of my current 6i. My spin is generally on the high side with a AOA of -6* and this ST Proto hard-stepped is the first shaft that has controlled my spin. I have ordered my AP2's with the Modus 105x hard stepped once!
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If anyone is interested in my #'s with my current gamers compared to the new 105... AND the new fitting irons in the Titleist cart are now 7 iron heads instead of 6 irons. Don't bust my balls if the numbers below don't seem correct to all of the launch monitor junkies, I"m just going off of memory and know that the new fit is much more consistent.

My 714 AP2 7i Modus120x, std. length, loft, lie is +1*
Avg AOA is -7*
Avg Launch 12*
Avg Ball Speed 118 mph
Avg Spin Range 7200 rpm
Avg Total Distance 164-170 yds

Tested club 714 AP2 7i Nippon ST Proto-x hard stepped once, std length, loft, lie is +1*
If anyone is curious how I was able to hit this setup its because they are Scott Stallings' irons that he used at the beginning of the year to almost defend his Farmers title at Torrey Pines.
Same AOA
Avg Launch 13*
Avg Ball Speed 120 (+2 mph)
Avg Spin 6800 rpm
Avg Total Distance 168-172 yds

With my high AOA I've always had the low launch high spin flight that has worked best with the Modus120x and this ST Proto (Modus105) is the first shaft that has both increased launch and reduced spin. The lighter weight is noticeable but shouldn't take much time to get used to. I'm all about less effort and getting more out of the shaft.

markheardjr · September 29, 2015

[quote name='Qegurezi' timestamp='1443481684' post='12380788']
I played the 130's and thought them a bit heavy for me, do the 125 "play" lighter?
[/quote]
As mentioned above, the 130 is hefty in the hands & mid-section so it feels a bit heavier as there isn't much weight on the softer tip to feel like you're getting that pendulum/centrifugal force feel. they are the heaviest offered. There were plenty of prototypes that were heavier but the heaviest retail Nippon in the Modus line is the 130. I don't feel like 130 was much heftier than S300/S400 though. But it does have a distinct counterbalance type feel because of all that weight in the top end, more similar to a PX shaft in that regard.

The 125's feel lighter and softer, more active, than the SPB but independent testers say they are about identical. I think 125 is 5g? lighter than SPB. Feels closer to a ORA / SPO in my opinion. 125X and 130S are fairly similar in terms of flex and feel. On a stock swing, I actually don't find them all that different in performance either. But I can knock down the 125 much easier, and distance overall with the 125X was longer. Flatter and longer. 130S was always higher with lower spin, but it climbed and fell, didn't get the carry distance. Could have juiced lofts 2° to make up the difference but I like the 125X versatility for my game better.

130X felt extra heavy and super stiff, more like a DGX700.

markheardjr · September 29, 2015

[quote name='sampga1976' timestamp='1443524873' post='12382806']
[quote name='sampga1976' timestamp='1443489778' post='12381532']
I've been a long time Modus 120x user for about the last 4 years at least. Last week I was fit for the new 716 AP2 irons and nothing beat the launch conditions of my 120x except for one shaft... the ST Proto x-flex, hard-stepped once. These irons produced +2mph ball speed AND reduced my spin on a 7i to that of my current 6i. My spin is generally on the high side with a AOA of -6* and this ST Proto hard-stepped is the first shaft that has controlled my spin. I have ordered my AP2's with the Modus 105x hard stepped once!
[/quote]

If anyone is interested in my #'s with my current gamers compared to the new 105... AND the new fitting irons in the Titleist cart are now 7 iron heads instead of 6 irons. Don't bust my balls if the numbers below don't seem correct to all of the launch monitor junkies, I"m just going off of memory and know that the new fit is much more consistent.

My 714 AP2 7i Modus120x, std. length, loft, lie is +1*
Avg AOA is -7*
Avg Launch 12*
Avg Ball Speed 118 mph
Avg Spin Range 7200 rpm
Avg Total Distance 164-170 yds

Tested club 714 AP2 7i Nippon ST Proto-x hard stepped once, std length, loft, lie is +1*
If anyone is curious how I was able to hit this setup its because they are Scott Stallings' irons that he used at the beginning of the year to almost defend his Farmers title at Torrey Pines.
Same AOA
Avg Launch 13*
Avg Ball Speed 120 (+2 mph)
Avg Spin 6800 rpm
Avg Total Distance 168-172 yds

With my high AOA I've always had the low launch high spin flight that has worked best with the Modus120x and this ST Proto (Modus105) is the first shaft that has both increased launch and reduced spin. The lighter weight is noticeable but shouldn't take much time to get used to. I'm all about less effort and getting more out of the shaft.
[/quote]

Good stuff. Glad you found you liked them. I have the ST Proto X and it is a great shaft. My first few times trying it the weight was a little too light and my quick backswing because too fast. I needed that weight for my timing and to feel the set at the top. But that was back when I used 130S. Now that I'm hitting 125X, the ST Proto X doesn't feel insanely light to me and I have found I hit it on a slightly higher trajectory than 125 but similar spin. Distance seemed to be good for well struck shots but on mishits it was definitely missing shorter than the same miss with the 125. Out of the rough too, just didn't feel like I had the extra mass to get through the wet stuff. But I've always preferred heavier shafts. If I had more confidence I could hit the center every time, maybe the 105X would have had a shot in my bag.

I think ~120g is the lowest I would be comfortable playing. I tried KBS Tour 90, KBS CTaper lite and PXi before, didn't work out either I think mostly because they have softer butt sections like the Tour120 does. I don't care for that feel. Tour105 has the stiffer butt, softer mid, stiffer tip like the Tour125 so it's one of the first lighter shafts to still have a stronger butt section which is why I think the tour guys can actually use it.

Qegurezi · September 29, 2015

[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1443487353' post='12381276']
[quote name='Qegurezi' timestamp='1443481684' post='12380788']
I played the 130's and thought them a bit heavy for me, do the 125 "play" lighter?
[/quote]I don't have any hands on with the 130's, but 125's have the weight and feel, but it's such a uniform feel that it feels much more natural throughout the swing (easier not necessarily lighter).

Like Mark mentioned several times throughout the thread, KBS feel with DG performance=Modus 125.

The 130's heft is in the hands, so that may be what you felt.
[/quote]

Cheers for that.

Qegurezi · September 29, 2015

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1443544945' post='12384436']
[quote name='Qegurezi' timestamp='1443481684' post='12380788']
I played the 130's and thought them a bit heavy for me, do the 125 "play" lighter?
[/quote]
As mentioned above, the 130 is hefty in the hands & mid-section so it feels a bit heavier as there isn't much weight on the softer tip to feel like you're getting that pendulum/centrifugal force feel. they are the heaviest offered. There were plenty of prototypes that were heavier but the heaviest retail Nippon in the Modus line is the 130. I don't feel like 130 was much heftier than S300/S400 though. But it does have a distinct counterbalance type feel because of all that weight in the top end, more similar to a PX shaft in that regard.

The 125's feel lighter and softer, more active, than the SPB but independent testers say they are about identical. I think 125 is 5g? lighter than SPB. Feels closer to a ORA / SPO in my opinion. 125X and 130S are fairly similar in terms of flex and feel. On a stock swing, I actually don't find them all that different in performance either. But I can knock down the 125 much easier, and distance overall with the 125X was longer. Flatter and longer. 130S was always higher with lower spin, but it climbed and fell, didn't get the carry distance. Could have juiced lofts 2° to make up the difference but I like the 125X versatility for my game better.

130X felt extra heavy and super stiff, more like a DGX700.
[/quote]

Thanks for that, slowly trying the Nippons (single shaft at times) to see what i fall into. I find DG300 too bulky as i did with the Modus 130. I game KBS Tours in .370 but would like to try some Modus and SP before the 1150 which i (pretty sure) have seen you recommend for KBS users. I have a SPO single shaft coming to try, like the specs and will try the 125 and 120 soon i think. Thanks again.

swizbeatz · September 30, 2015

Tried the 130 and it was good but not great. Finally taking the plunge with 120x, I've determined I like to feel a shaft load and the tip stiff, softer end 120 feels lively if that makes any sense. I've thought about making the switch all year but my iron game has been pretty solid so I've just been reading along with all you guys so far. Going in a second set but I foresee the gamers with super peening oranges swapped out shortly after. Personal 2 modus 120 should feel pretty sweet.

Tried the 130 and it was good but not great. Finally taking the plunge with 120x, I've determined I like to feel a shaft load and the tip stiff, softer end 120 feels lively if that makes any sense. I've thought about making the switch all year but my iron game has been pretty solid so I've just been reading along with all you guys so far. Going in a second set but I foresee the gamers with super peening oranges swapped out shortly after. Personal 2 modus 120 should feel pretty sweet.

markheardjr · September 30, 2015

[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1443623441' post='12390082']
Tried the 130 and it was good but not great. Finally taking the plunge with 120x, I've determined I like to feel a shaft load and the tip stiff, softer end 120 feels lively if that makes any sense. I've thought about making the switch all year but my iron game has been pretty solid so I've just been reading along with all you guys so far. Going in a second set but I foresee the gamers with super peening oranges swapped out shortly after. Personal 2 modus 120 should feel pretty sweet.
[/quote]
Should put Tour125 on your list to try then too.

Guv280984 · September 30, 2015

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151832162704?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649

AWE46M3 · October 3, 2015

Does the 125 play weak or stiff to flex? Could a DG S300 or PX 5.5 person play a stock 125 S?

3_Putt_Par · October 3, 2015

I'll save Mark the time of replying to a fitting question, yet again, by quoting one of his previous posts on page 52 of this same thread. If you're interested in Nippon shafts, it's worth the time to browse through this entire thread. Great stuff here and a lot of wonderful insights and reviews of all shafts by markheardjr.

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1429633683' post='11407773']
[quote name='jonn443' timestamp='1429627887' post='11406901']
I was considering 120S and 125S. In several PMs Mark recommended since I was a s300 player that I look into the 125S and that the 120S (not x) would be similar to a dg s200 (or SS s300) or a px 5.0. Now I'm not a px player but a buddy of mine uses 6.0 and says that they are equivalent to a hard stepped S300 but not quite a x100.So,I may be wrong but it would only make sense that the 6.5 would be similar to a x100, which in that case would be modus 130S range (maybe even 125X).

Now these are educated assumptions. .lol..so I'll let the gurus take it from here...Mark?
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I'm not sure what all that is about but 125 plays true to flex for DG. Maybe, just maybe 1/4 flex soft because of the smoother feel. X100 = 120TX = 130S = 125X simply for flex/feel sake. How they pay is completely different. I have a chart, maybe on page 7 or 11 or somewhere, that has my own relation table for DG, PX, Nippon & KBS.

Re-hashing again...
120 will exacerbate the low launch balloon spin that DG already does. If you're a sweeper with low spin already, 120 might be ok. Go up a flex, X100 - 120TX, S400 - 120X, S300 - 120X ssx1 or 120S hsx1.

130 is stout, launches high high high, but is low low spin. Good for folks with late releases that naturally trap the ball low and are ok with elevating their shots easier and want less spin. X100 - 130S, maybe hsx1, X300 - 130X, X700 - 130X hsx1, S400 - 130S straight in, S300 - 130S ssx1. But 130 is better for PX users. 7.0+ - 130x, 6.0 - 130S ssx1, 6.5 - 130 straight in, 5.5 - 130S soft-stepped once, 5.0 - 130R.

125 is almost identical to DG but it is a touch softer, I mean a smidge, and is infinitely smoother! I like to say 125 has DG performance with KBS feel. The shaft is mid-launch and mid-spin for me. Easy to manipulate trajectory, a jack-of-all-trades kind of shaft. Like a Aldila NV or Fuji 757 of the steel shaft world. Not as harsh or demanding as DGX100, plug n play with ease. X300-X700 users may want to try 125X hard-stepped once or twice. X100 users who want smoother feel and can manage a touch higher flight should go 125X straight in. S400 users should try 125S hard-stepped. [u][b]S300 users should go 125S straight in.[/b][/u]
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Lefty19 · October 7, 2015

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1430324423' post='11466103']
125 is basically equal to DG, maybe just a touch softer, like a smidge.

Modus / Rifle / DG / KBS
120 R / [b]125 R ssx1[/b] / 4.0-4.5 / R200 / KBS Tour R
120 S ssx1 / [b]125 R[/b] / 4.5-5.0 / R300 / C-Taper Lite R
130 R / [b]125 R hsx1[/b] / [b]125 S ssx1 [/b]/ 5.0-5.4 / S400 SSx1 / C-Taper Lite R HSx1, Tour V R
120 S / [b]125 S[/b] / 5.5 / S300 / SSx1 / C-Taper R, C-Taper Lite S SSX1, KBS Tour S
120 X / [b]125 S hsx1[/b] / [b]125 X ssx1[/b] / 6.0-6.4 / S300 / C-taper S+ / KBS Tour X
130 S / [b]125 X [/b]/ 6.3-6.8 / S400 HSx1, X100, X200 SSx1 / Tour V S HSx1
120 TX / [b]125 X hsx1[/b] / 6.5-7.0 / X100 HSx1, X200 / C-Taper X
130 X SSx1 / 7.0-7.1 / DG Tour X7 SSx1 / Tour V 120&125 X
130 X / 7.2+ / X300, DG Tour X7 / C-Taper X

SSx1 = Soft Step 1 timeHSx1 = Hard Step 1 time.
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Is this still relatively accurate? I ask due to the Tour V x shafts I play now feel lite but I don't think they play "stiffer" than 6.5 unless you mean rifle 6.5 and not PX 6.5. I play PX 6.5 in my wedges and like the heft better than the KBS iron shafts, they "feel" almost too lite but I like to swing a heavier club in general. I don't think the Vx plays stiffer then the PX 6.5 but might be the weight. Granted the Vx feels better at impact as the PX has a slight hollow and vibrating feel at impact. The Vx spins less than the X100 but I believe about the same or smidge more than the PX 6.5 but THAT'S ME....

I REALLY like the x100 EXCEPT the spin... I am JUST KICKING MYSELF for getting rid of the X7 shafts though as I wasn't playing etc... etc... etc...

-David