It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Matt J' timestamp='1449512086' post='12691100']
Hey Mark or anyone else acquainted with Nippon's product line, quick question....

I just bought a set with the N.S. Super Peening Orange shafts in stiff. I'm currently playing DG R300's but those are too soft. Where would place the Nippon in the DG line, PX, or KBS?

I'm considering taking these apart and soft stepping them as I won't play the 4 iron anyways and could use the PW shaft in my Gap. I'd like to get close to a SS DG R300 or so. Thanks.
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I'd say a cross between a DG Pro Stiff and a KBS C-Taper S but much smoother than both. I always thought the SPO was a bit lighter and crisper feeling and was mid launch and mid spin. Seemed most were always interested in the Super Peening Blue because of their low launch low spin characteristics but the SPO is the SPB's little brother.

[Matt J]

Thanks Mark!

I meant a SS DGS300. I just hit a few shafts with a Trackman collecting data and the C Taper Lite S was probably the best performer. I'm interested to hit these and figure out how to optimize them to my swing.

[speeder717]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1449511687' post='12691076'][quote name='speeder717' timestamp='1449496877' post='12690090']
I think I would do well with the TS Prototype... Love the 130 but always like a little lighter... If I play a stiff 130 should I play a stiff in the TS Prototype or an X? I move my driver around 105-107, nothing more. Thoughts
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It's ST Proto unless there is a new one I don't know about yet. The ST Proto is the exact shaft as the Tour105 so unless you want to feel special or PXG has ST Proto's in stock just go Tour105. As far as Flex, Tour130 plays a bit stiffer. Tour105 plays spot on. I'd say either hard-stepped Tour105 Stiff or Soft-stepped Tour105 X. I'd say hsx1 Stiff for smoother swinger, ssx1 Xstiff for later release hitter type.[/quote]

Thanks for the info! The winter gives us too much time to tinker! I think I'll order a set of the 105's today

[speeder717]

Mark,
The Tour 105 would be something worth trying for me though correct? Just a lighter 130? Similar launch conditions?
-Ryan

[Qegurezi]

Lighter 125 aren't they.

[PapaJohick]

130 launches high 105 launches lower with less spin than 130.

More like the 125 but lighter

[yarbyarb01]

I've been curious to try them. But it's hard when I play PXi 6.0 shafts...

[markheardjr]

[quote name='speeder717' timestamp='1449584794' post='12694498']
Mark,
The Tour 105 would be something worth trying for me though correct? Just a lighter 130? Similar launch conditions?
-Ryan
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I have hit both the 105X (ST Proto X) and 130S (2G18 Proto Stiff) side by side in a 588MB 6i head. Both launched higher with controllable spin. 130 was lower spin but I could only launch it higher, 105 mid spin and I could flight it lower a touch easier. But neither one of them ballooned. 105 is so much lighter, I had to really swing smooth with it and focus on my backswing. The 105 feels more conventional, DG-ish, with its stiffer tip and nice mid-kick. The 130 with the weight and balance is a bit more PX-ish but smooth PX. So similar but not the same. 130 I cannot draw, it was high or slight cut. 105 I could do anything with, but did hit a few left due to light weight and me flipping it.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='yarbyarb01' timestamp='1449598402' post='12695308']
I've been curious to try them. But it's hard when I play PXi 6.0 shafts...
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I have PXi 6.5's in some Razr MB's. I didn't not care for them at all. They feel pretty light, but not as light as the Tour105. And nowhere near a smooth. PXi to me feel brittle. Like harsh and unstable and balanced weird. Was not a fan. I'd play Ctaper lite if I had to over the PXi if those were my options.

[kiddoc]

My competitive junior (14yrs) has grown out of his TM stock Rsi graphite shafts.....

I would like to introduce him to the Nippon family.....

Does anyone have a Junior playing the Zelos steel shafts? He is still growing and getting stronger by the day..
Thanks!

[markheardjr]

[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1449622204' post='12696950']
My competitive junior (14yrs) has grown out of his TM stock Rsi graphite shafts.....

I would like to introduce him to the Nippon family.....

Does anyone have a Junior playing the Zelos steel shafts? He is still growing and getting stronger by the day..
Thanks!
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Are you looking for Zelos 7 or 8?

[kiddoc]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1449681165' post='12699182']
[quote name='kiddoc' timestamp='1449622204' post='12696950']
My competitive junior (14yrs) has grown out of his TM stock Rsi graphite shafts.....

I would like to introduce him to the Nippon family.....

Does anyone have a Junior playing the Zelos steel shafts? He is still growing and getting stronger by the day..
Thanks!
[/quote]
Are you looking for Zelos 7 or 8?
[/quote]

I did not know there was an 8....Is the difference weight?

[pcs11]

I play the Modus 120s in my irons, would it be crazy to put the Modus 105 in my driving iron or a hybrid?

Also, this thread is amazing.

[Kale_m]

Got rid of my 714cb with 120x. They went way to high for my swing. Have 714 ap2 with KBS tour S+ and I like the flight much better.

[Bogey_Fly_By]

[quote name='Kale_m' timestamp='1449697601' post='12700284']Got rid of my 714cb with 120x. They went way to high for my swing. Have 714 ap2 with KBS tour S+ and I like the flight much better.[/quote]

I agree with you on the modus 120's but if you find yourself hitting the Kbs too high or ballooning into the wind try the modus 125's.

[Jgarn117]

I just picked up Prototype C10s from a fellow WRX'er... Mark or someone else who is an efficienado on Nippon, how is the flight compared to the various Modus models? I have the X flex soft stepped. From what the seller has said they are heavy shafts with a low launch.

[jonn443]

[quote name='Matt J' timestamp='1449515619' post='12691318']
Thanks Mark!

I meant a SS DGS300. I just hit a few shafts with a Trackman collecting data and the C Taper Lite S was probably the best performer. I'm interested to hit these and figure out how to optimize them to my swing.
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I came from S300 to 125S and I find them very comparable in weight, and that's where their similarities end. The Modus 3 125 are miles better in every way; tighter dispersion, slightly higher ball flight,and much MUCH smoother.

Love. Them.

[MBBG]

Played a couple rounds now with my MP-5 with Modus 125. Absolutely love the ball flight.

[kennyky]

hi guys

intending to buy a new set, i ahve the choice of the rack for dg s200 or modus 120s.
(7i swingspeed 75mph and coming from NS pro 950 GH reg - but i was advised to change for something stiffer).
s200 and modus 120s have completely different weight - 129gr and 114 gr - but they are often compared.
how come ?
what would you recommend ?

[Deuce78]

[quote name='MBBG' timestamp='1449724046' post='12702008']Played a couple rounds now with my MP-5 with Modus 125. Absolutely love the ball flight.[/quote]

What flex on the 125? Did you have something else in the mp5 before? Differences.....? I know mizuno usa does not have the modus as an option I figured reshaft....

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1449512379' post='12691124']
[quote name='MJisGOAT' timestamp='1449454942' post='12688904']

These sound like what you're describing.

[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/340508/kbs-releases-tour-fltd-iron-shafts/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...td-iron-shafts/[/url]
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If they are higher launch and higher spin than KBS Tour I'm not even interested. Needs to be lower launch and lower spin than KBS Tour. Doesn't mean I won't waggle a few on the range if I get a chance but probably not interested.
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I don't think I'd change anything about the 125's. If I were to get picky, then maybe a slightly softer tip, but then again that could tinker with what I actually like about its characteristics.

[GolferSim]

Since 125 is a newer shaft trying them in a lefty head makes it even more easier :-), do you think this approach would work as the shaft characteristics are the same as 105.
105 are easier to find as they are on most ping fitting carts now.

[i][b]From Howard Jones : [/b][/i]

Ref : http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/975174-iron-shaft-weight-lighter-vs-heaver-pros-cons/

[color=#282828]Get some lead tape, and measure 14" down from the grip end[/color]
[color=#282828]At this spot, add lead tape in steps of 5 grams[/color]
[color=#282828]This will give a feel of 5 grams higher shaft weight, as if you played the same flex profile, with the only difference that this shaft now was plus 5,10.15. or 20 grams[/color]

[color=#282828]Test all those, even 25 grams plus to make sure, and go down again until its right.[/color]
[color=#282828]Then you will know what to look for, "all else equal"[/color]

[MBBG]

[quote name='Deuce78' timestamp='1449752331' post='12702432']
[quote name='MBBG' timestamp='1449724046' post='12702008']Played a couple rounds now with my MP-5 with Modus 125. Absolutely love the ball flight.[/quote]

What flex on the 125? Did you have something else in the mp5 before? Differences.....? I know mizuno usa does not have the modus as an option I figured reshaft....
[/quote]

I just got them from Japan recently. 125 S straight in. Coming from a Srixon combo set with MCI 120S, these launch flatter and with similar spin. I doubt a lot of it is the head because the lofts are a little weaker in the MP-5.

My delivery is too steep and have never been able to really correct it so I go for a little lower launching shaft when possible. But I've had joint problems playing C Tapers and have tried to make composites work. The Aerotech are good and so are the MCI just depends what a person is looking for.

My hope was to get the launch I really want with these and also avoid the joint pain I've had with steel in the past. Ball flight check, joint pain remains to be seen!

[NRJyzr]

[quote name='GolferSim' timestamp='1449755280' post='12702552']
Since 125 is a newer shaft trying them in a lefty head makes it even more easier :-), do you think this approach would work as the shaft characteristics are the same as 105.
105 are easier to find as they are on most ping fitting carts now.

[i][b]From Howard Jones : [/b][/i]

Ref : [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/975174-iron-shaft-weight-lighter-vs-heaver-pros-cons/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...aver-pros-cons/[/url]

[color=#282828]Get some lead tape, and measure 14" down from the grip end[/color]
[color=#282828]At this spot, add lead tape in steps of 5 grams[/color]
[color=#282828]This will give a feel of 5 grams higher shaft weight, as if you played the same flex profile, with the only difference that this shaft now was plus 5,10.15. or 20 grams[/color]

[color=#282828]Test all those, even 25 grams plus to make sure, and go down again until its right.[/color]
[color=#282828]Then you will know what to look for, "all else equal"[/color]
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I've done that with UL graphites, being someone who used 90g and up in driver for a great many years. It's a nice way to get the static weight up, without messing with swingweight.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Jgarn117' timestamp='1449706003' post='12700804']
I just picked up Prototype C10s from a fellow WRX'er... Mark or someone else who is an efficienado on Nippon, how is the flight compared to the various Modus models? I have the X flex soft stepped. From what the seller has said they are heavy shafts with a low launch.
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Very heavy, very stiff, lower launch and lower spin. I would compare them to like an X400 if those existed, slightly heavier feel than X300 (which I have a set of in the garage.) The 2S14 in X flex is like the X700. C10 X I find is almost a bit too beefy where the C10 S has a little more give and smooths out the profile. They would be similar to a Tour125 but an extra 6-8g which are applied to keep spin lower than Tour125.

I have a wedge shafted up now with a C10 X and I love it on pitches, chips and bump n runs but on full swings I just can't load it and my GW which is usually 110y turns into around 95y. For a C-Taper 130X user I think you'll find the soft-stepped X to be heavy yet smooth and it can handle anything you can throw at it.

I would caution some though that the C10 and 2S14 X flex are extremely heavy and stiff and if you don't have the strength and speed to properly load the shaft you may end up with the opposite of what you want and you could wind up with higher flight because the shaft isn't bending for you. I experienced this with X700's and after talking with several PGA Tour van player support reps they confirmed this does happen to certain swing types and too stiff of a shaft. Not many fit into C10X or 2S14X. So caution is out there.

[Jgarn117]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1449771281' post='12703722']
[quote name='Jgarn117' timestamp='1449706003' post='12700804']
I just picked up Prototype C10s from a fellow WRX'er... Mark or someone else who is an efficienado on Nippon, how is the flight compared to the various Modus models? I have the X flex soft stepped. From what the seller has said they are heavy shafts with a low launch.
[/quote]
Very heavy, very stiff, lower launch and lower spin. I would compare them to like an X400 if those existed, slightly heavier feel than X300 (which I have a set of in the garage.) The 2S14 in X flex is like the X700. C10 X I find is almost a bit too beefy where the C10 S has a little more give and smooths out the profile. They would be similar to a Tour125 but an extra 6-8g which are applied to keep spin lower than Tour125.

I have a wedge shafted up now with a C10 X and I love it on pitches, chips and bump n runs but on full swings I just can't load it and my GW which is usually 110y turns into around 95y. For a C-Taper 130X user I think you'll find the soft-stepped X to be heavy yet smooth and it can handle anything you can throw at it.

I would caution some though that the C10 and 2S14 X flex are extremely heavy and stiff and if you don't have the strength and speed to properly load the shaft you may end up with the opposite of what you want and you could wind up with higher flight because the shaft isn't bending for you. I experienced this with X700's and after talking with several PGA Tour van player support reps they confirmed this does happen to certain swing types and too stiff of a shaft. Not many fit into C10X or 2S14X. So caution is out there.
[/quote]

Awesome analysis and response! I was starting to get worried reading the first part of your post until you compared them to my CTaper 130X... The fact they are soft stepped makes me feel better. I hit the ball so high it is frustrating on windy days so the CTapers helped with that and it sounds like the C10's will be on par if not better. I need some new heads to throw these in ASAP! Anyone with 716 AP2's or T-MB combo set they are looking to dump let me know!!

[Deuce78]

Awesome analysis and response! I was starting to get worried reading the first part of your post until you compared them to my CTaper 130X... The fact they are soft stepped makes me feel better. I hit the ball so high it is frustrating on windy days so the CTapers helped with that and it sounds like the C10's will be on par if not better. I need some new heads to throw these in ASAP! Anyone with 716 AP2's or T-MB combo set they are looking to dump let me know!!

I may have a tmb set if that works with 130x soft stepped....

[sethdavidsdad]

I have 120x's in my irons trying to decide what to use in my wedges. Love them maybe a little high flight but want my long irons high and soft. Should I go 120x or thinking about trying the 125 in my Lob, S, and Gap. Any suggestions

[markheardjr]

[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1449779647' post='12704302']
I have 120x's in my irons trying to decide what to use in my wedges. Love them maybe a little high flight but want my long irons high and soft. Should I go 120x or thinking about trying the 125 in my Lob, S, and Gap. Any suggestions
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Modus Wedge 125 should be lower launch and higher spin. It has a slightly softer lower section than the 120 so you will get just a little more pop for spin on wedge shots. Modus Tour125 iron shaft is also a nice wedge shaft, i've been using for about 10 months in my GW. Control is great, spin is what I want with a GW (I use for back pins and releasing bump n runs.) Wedge 125 is a hair softer and livelier, Tour125 iron version is a bit stiffer tip and not as much pop.

[Deuce78]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1449782914' post='12704568'][quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1449779647' post='12704302']
I have 120x's in my irons trying to decide what to use in my wedges. Love them maybe a little high flight but want my long irons high and soft. Should I go 120x or thinking about trying the 125 in my Lob, S, and Gap. Any suggestions
[/quote]
Modus Wedge 125 should be lower launch and higher spin. It has a slightly softer lower section than the 120 so you will get just a little more pop for spin on wedge shots. Modus Tour125 iron shaft is also a nice wedge shaft, i've been using for about 10 months in my GW. Control is great, spin is what I want with a GW (I use for back pins and releasing bump n runs.) Wedge 125 is a hair softer and livelier, Tour125 iron version is a bit stiffer tip and not as much pop.[/quote]

Mark, you playing iron 125x in that gap wedge or 125s or HS or ss etc. I guess I am wondering how the wedge 125 would compare to the iron 125x because there is no flex in the wedge shafts correct?