2017 NBA Season (incl Draft / Free Agency)

[Qqq123xx]

Hayward to Celtics been buzzing late afternoon.

 

Love it! With Browns development, Hayward and Tatum added they should be good competition for cavs!

They still need a rebounder and next years draft has a couple of them. Was wishing they would of picked the 6'11" guy from FSU this year.

[MtlJeff]

Patrick patterson a nice get for OKC. He can shoot and play the 4

[dcmidnight]

Hayward to Celtics been buzzing late afternoon.

 

Love it! With Browns development, Hayward and Tatum added they should be good competition for cavs!

They still need a rebounder and next years draft has a couple of them. Was wishing they would of picked the 6'11" guy from FSU this year.

 

I'd be stunned if Ante Zizic didn't factor into their plans for the second half of this year. Don't think he's getting any summer league action but I know they just signed him to a deal and he's with the team working out.

[Peanut191]

At the end of the day the leagues have their pay structure set up in a way that they think is in the best interest of attracting viewers and keeping the league profitable which makes everyone money.

 

The NBA is probably the most "socialist" of the leagues, in that there is guaranteed contracts , and max contracts that limit the top end. There is also a cap and luxury tax that is fairly penal, and some revenue sharing. The max contracts are limited, but specifically set up high enough so that the amount of stars on a team is limited most of the time and parity is likely. The NBA draft rewards the worst teams with the highest picks (this is common to every sport though)

 

It is very obvious that the NBA 's MO is to try and promote parity, while also ensuring that all players in the league get paid well, promoting revenue and payroll sharing more than top-end people and organizations hoarding it all

 

The NBA as mentioned, is a largely socialist entity. This benefits the middle class of players and teams, but hurts the top-end teams like the Lakers (who in a MLB style league could just act like the Yankees and buy everyone) or Lebron, who could earn 100M a year.

 

At the end of the day as PinHigh says, the owners and players union all agreed to this!

 

Lebron can be the social media white knight for the players, but he means only the top 5-10 players in the league. His comments are basically an FU to the 100 or so guys like CJ Miles or PJ Tucker who thanks to the midlevel exception get 8M instead of 500K to play on Lebron's team while he earns 90M

 

Correct, the players association agreed to max contracts in the deal and the percent of overall cap max deals can take up.

 

So... LeBron's taking a shot at that part of the deal, but he is the vice president of the players association?

 

I understand that you have to make a deal at some point and it will cause some inequities in pay compared to performance. But, if you are the vice president of the association that made that deal, then maybe you should just go ahead and keep your mouth closed.

[F171615]

One thing that is starting to grow tiresome is players like lebron complaining about how underpaid they are. If a CEO making 30M a year was all over Twitter saying CEO 's should make double that, the liberal media would go after him REALLY hard. But when Lebron says Steph Curry should be making 80m a year instead of 40m in a condescending way. People back Lebron! Including sites that have boasted in the past about being very liberal like "the ringer"

 

Do Nba players have the best publicists in the world?

 

Highest average salary in history of pro sports. Underpaid, and players on the best team in the league compared themselves to slaves last year

 

I'd like to respond to this post because I feel it's very wrong.

First, players are not CEO's so immediately your comparison is completely false.

As for players on the best team in the league comparing themselves to slaves - that simply never happened.

I don't disagree with your point about rich players shouldn't be publicly complaining about their salaries, but those two comments were off.

[Yanki01]

the warriors are trolling everyone now...

 

[pinhigh27]

Ya not really sure why they want him but of course he will probably magically play out of his mind like everyone else on the team. (yes they have a phenomenal scheme i know)

[scratchswinger]

He was actually really good last year when he was healthy, played D and shot well. He will be a solid reserve.

[MtlJeff]

One thing that is starting to grow tiresome is players like lebron complaining about how underpaid they are. If a CEO making 30M a year was all over Twitter saying CEO 's should make double that, the liberal media would go after him REALLY hard. But when Lebron says Steph Curry should be making 80m a year instead of 40m in a condescending way. People back Lebron! Including sites that have boasted in the past about being very liberal like "the ringer"

 

Do Nba players have the best publicists in the world?

 

Highest average salary in history of pro sports. Underpaid, and players on the best team in the league compared themselves to slaves last year

 

I'd like to respond to this post because I feel it's very wrong.

First, players are not CEO's so immediately your comparison is completely false.

As for players on the best team in the league comparing themselves to slaves - that simply never happened.

I don't disagree with your point about rich players shouldn't be publicly complaining about their salaries, but those two comments were off.

 

One player said a white owner had a slave master mentality because he did not want to allow a former player who had criticized him into a game

 

Another player referred to his coach as his "master" because he had been sat for a game

 

My apologies, but I think the link is there

 

Players call themselves businessmen all the time, the top players have a lot of power. Even CEOs report to a board of directors. Guys like Lebron (who made the comment) probably have authority similar to that of a CEO within their organization Imo

[F171615]

One thing that is starting to grow tiresome is players like lebron complaining about how underpaid they are. If a CEO making 30M a year was all over Twitter saying CEO 's should make double that, the liberal media would go after him REALLY hard. But when Lebron says Steph Curry should be making 80m a year instead of 40m in a condescending way. People back Lebron! Including sites that have boasted in the past about being very liberal like "the ringer"

 

Do Nba players have the best publicists in the world?

 

Highest average salary in history of pro sports. Underpaid, and players on the best team in the league compared themselves to slaves last year

 

I'd like to respond to this post because I feel it's very wrong.

First, players are not CEO's so immediately your comparison is completely false.

As for players on the best team in the league comparing themselves to slaves - that simply never happened.

I don't disagree with your point about rich players shouldn't be publicly complaining about their salaries, but those two comments were off.

 

One player said a white owner had a slave master mentality because he did not want to allow a former player who had criticized him into a game

 

Another player referred to his coach as his "master" because he had been sat for a game

 

My apologies, but I think the link is there

 

Players call themselves businessmen all the time, the top players have a lot of power. Even CEOs report to a board of directors. Guys like Lebron (who made the comment) probably have authority similar to that of a CEO within their organization Imo

 

Saying that players compare themselves to slaves just sounds like a click bait type of exaggeration. And making those type of exaggerations on this topic gets dangerous.

The major difference between players and CEO's is that the players are the laborers. CEO's stereotypically don't do any of the productive work, and yet they get paid the huge sums. Players in this case are the laborers who create the product. Players are on the opposite end of the spectrum compared to CEO's.

[MtlJeff]

One thing that is starting to grow tiresome is players like lebron complaining about how underpaid they are. If a CEO making 30M a year was all over Twitter saying CEO 's should make double that, the liberal media would go after him REALLY hard. But when Lebron says Steph Curry should be making 80m a year instead of 40m in a condescending way. People back Lebron! Including sites that have boasted in the past about being very liberal like "the ringer"

 

Do Nba players have the best publicists in the world?

 

Highest average salary in history of pro sports. Underpaid, and players on the best team in the league compared themselves to slaves last year

 

I'd like to respond to this post because I feel it's very wrong.

First, players are not CEO's so immediately your comparison is completely false.

As for players on the best team in the league comparing themselves to slaves - that simply never happened.

I don't disagree with your point about rich players shouldn't be publicly complaining about their salaries, but those two comments were off.

 

One player said a white owner had a slave master mentality because he did not want to allow a former player who had criticized him into a game

 

Another player referred to his coach as his "master" because he had been sat for a game

 

My apologies, but I think the link is there

 

Players call themselves businessmen all the time, the top players have a lot of power. Even CEOs report to a board of directors. Guys like Lebron (who made the comment) probably have authority similar to that of a CEO within their organization Imo

 

Saying that players compare themselves to slaves just sounds like a click bait type of exaggeration. And making those type of exaggerations on this topic gets dangerous.

The major difference between players and CEO's is that the players are the laborers. CEO's stereotypically don't do any of the productive work, and yet they get paid the huge sums. Players in this case are the laborers who create the product. Players are on the opposite end of the spectrum compared to CEO's.

 

And Andre and Draymond knew exactly what they were saying too. What was that if not clickbait?

 

But you're probably right, better not to go down that path.

 

Have a good night man! (actually it's only day there! Lol)

 

[nickmcd63]

Glad to see the Wolves finally pulled off the trade we have all been waiting for to get Jimmy B! Reuniting some of his old Bull's players.

[MtlJeff]

So Dirk signs a bargain contract and of course ESPN and others are blaming the horrible owners for forcing him into this unfair pay cut.

 

Dirk's net worth listed as 140m dollars. Not sure how he'll ever recover from this LOL

 

Considering Cuban said outright that he'd overpay Dirk even once he was past his prime I'm guessing this was Dirks idea

 

These writers must be huge André Iguodala fans

[scratchswinger]

Funny that as soon as Phil is gone they bring back Hardaway. Lakers have signed no one and have a better offseason than last year.

[MtlJeff]

Michael Baumann at theringer.com actually wrote a good take on superstars taking less that is worth a read if anyone is interested.

 

While there are familiar takes (not a fan of owners making a ton of money of their franchises whole avoiding luxury tax)... He at least addresses the other issues, such as the hypocrisy of some the superstars pushing for systems that would hurt the majority of players, and also mentions about how the profits for everyone are never passed along to the consumers, which I think is a bit of an elephant in the room as ticket prices skyrocket

[nickmcd63]

Dude. Indiana may be in worse shape than Charlotte now. That's the worst trade I've ever heard of. Why did they not send him to Boston for all they asked for?

 

Sometimes the NBA does the dumbest things.

 

Why didn't they take the Kevin Love offer over what they got???

[nickmcd63]

So Dirk signs a bargain contract and of course ESPN and others are blaming the horrible owners for forcing him into this unfair pay cut.

 

Dirk's net worth listed as 140m dollars. Not sure how he'll ever recover from this LOL

 

Considering Cuban said outright that he'd overpay Dirk even once he was past his prime I'm guessing this was Dirks idea

 

These writers must be huge André Iguodala fans

 

He's going to have to live off every penny this year to survive. Oh what a travesty

[pinhigh27]

Idk what the Celtics are doing. Should either pay luxury tax to keep important players or Hayward should have taken slightly less money. Idk unless brown becomes amazing magically I don't think they got that much better. Bradley is a big loss

[pinhigh27]

Dude. Indiana may be in worse shape than Charlotte now. That's the worst trade I've ever heard of. Why did they not send him to Boston for all they asked for?

 

Sometimes the NBA does the dumbest things.

 

Why didn't they take the Kevin Love offer over what they got???

 

Ya I don't understand the whole refuse to trade to your divisional foe sentiment. The cavs are going to destroy them anyway. If your team is good obviously you don't want to help out someone in your division but when you suck I'm not sure why it matters.

[MtlJeff]

So i am pretty positive there has never been four 60-win teams in the same conference the same season. With the extreme top-heavy-ness of the NBA next season is it possible we get this in the West?

 

Warriors are a shoe-in

Spurs won 60 last year and basically have the same team plus Rudy Gay

Rockets won 55 games and added Chris Paul

OKC added Paul George and Patrick Patterson (this is probably the biggest question mark of the teams, but Westbrook/Roberson/George/Patterson/Adams is a monster defense and probably a top 10 offense)

 

I kinda think it's possible, unlikely but possible

[scratchswinger]

I could see the Spurs declining just because they are getting even older and slower and I could see Houston getting off to a slow start. But you never know, it's a legit possibility.

[scratchswinger]

Brandon Ingram is about to be a savage in the NBA. Can't wait to watch him play this season, still only 19 years old.

[MtlJeff]

If true, classy move by KD, and some nice comments from Paul George about Indiana and his openness about wanting to compete for a title in his limited window

 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19960768/paul-george-gets-high-praise-oklahoma-city-thunder-former-star-kevin-durant

[scratchswinger]

KD has ulterior motives he's spineless if you haven't heard.

[tocino]

KD has ulterior motives he's spineless if you haven't heard.

 

LOL!

 

I like the lakers caldwell-pope signing. 1 year at 18 million is a helluva a pickup.

[MtlJeff]

I like KCP because there's a solid chance OKC gets him in some sort of sign and trade. And he's good

[tocino]

I like KCP because there's a solid chance OKC gets him in some sort of sign and trade. And he's good

 

he got burned pretty bad by his RFA status this year. I read somewhere that he initially turned down a 5-year 80 million dollar contract from detroit before they traded for avery bradley. By the time they released his rights all the teams who could've offered him more were capped out

[MtlJeff]

I like KCP because there's a solid chance OKC gets him in some sort of sign and trade. And he's good

 

he got burned pretty bad by his RFA status this year. I read somewhere that he initially turned down a 5-year 80 million dollar contract from detroit before they traded for avery bradley. By the time they released his rights all the teams who could've offered him more were capped out

 

Yeah there was an article recently about some of the guys that got screwed. Last year's FA's made a killing and then the cap crunch this year hurt the 2017 free agents majorly. Look at Patrick Patterson, people thought he'd get like 10-15M a season easy last year, he signed for 17M total!!!!! The joke was that he's getting for a 3yr deal what Biyombo makes in 1 season and he's a better player easily.

 

Rudy Gay is coming off an injury but his last 2 years were 18-6 with 45% shooting and he can play multiple positions and he signed for <10M a year too

 

Guys like Ian Mahinmi and Biyombo making 17M per year and they can barely catch a ball

[MtlJeff]

Woohoo, we're gonna be a powerhouse baby!!!!!

 

https://theringer.com/rj-barrett-fiba-u19-greatest-canadian-basketball-prospect-fbe374453d92

 

I don't expect you guys to remember because why would you , but Rowan Barrett was like our Canadian Oscar Schmidt, a guy who never played in the NBA but was a longtime member of the national team. RJ is his son

 

I'm hoping we can get a silver medal at one of the next 2 olympics.

[scratchswinger]

35 points, 11 assists, 8 rebounds, 5 steals and 2 blocks

 

"Too many turnovers. I've got to crack down at that," Ball said. "But I'm happy we won."

 

"It wasn't about me. It was about the team. ... Credit to them," Ball said.

 

"He can really pass it," James told ESPN's Jeff Goodman before leaving the game with six minutes remaining.