Speed without yanking the handle?

[ebrasmus21]

Once I own the new move, or at least trust it I'd like to exit the golfswing mode and just play.

 

My point is that most of us think that we will eventually "Own our move" and then focus on golf...but that is not how it works in my experience and in my conversations with better players.

 

You never own a golf swing it is always in flux. You will fall somewhere on a spectrum of "Trust <---------------------------------------------->Distrust". I agree completely that you need to practice enough and work into being close to the trust side of the spectrum or you are correct you will never be able to play golf, but you must realize that golfswing is a component of golf. You cannot conflate the two or you will never actually arrive at a real game that is authentic to you.

 

At some point you actually have to deliberately learn to play golf. Look at it this way: Golf is a game made up of many parts viz. golfswing, putting, chipping, pitching, bunker play, mental focus, confidence, strategy, emotional reaction to highs and lows, response to pressure, expectation, technical knowledge of the rules etc.. If you conflate one part of it "the search for my swing" with the whole of it you will never get what you want. Which I presume is to score to your potential under pressure. You will never accidentally end up being able to "just play" you actually have to cultivate that skill.

 

You have been through a massive transformation of a part of your golf game over the last year and that is awesome. You are totally on schedule for where you should be in terms of being able to put it all together. You will need to actively begin to work on the totality of golf at some point in order to get what you really want. You have done the necessary part but learned that it is not sufficient. The good news is that it appears your ceiling is high enough in terms of one of these fundamental parts to actually be really good which is awesome. Enjoy the rest of the journey.

 

Some of the best advice I ever got to help me deal with tournament nerves was "Try to realize that a tournament round is simply a celebration of the hard work you have put in to arrive on the first tee."

 

Cheers and best of luck, you have arrived at what I think is the really fun part.

 

I am sure you're pointing out a big thing... I fully take your point. I am just not there yet.

 

PS: "Try to realize that a tournament round is simply a celebration of the hard work you have put in to arrive on the first tee." EXCELLENT!

 

As far as playing golfswing goes I'm sure I'm guilty of that but really for me what it boils down to is a feel for that day. The "feel of having my lead wrist flex in transition" get that feeling and then make the swing. That's how I think on the course. Pick my shot, pick my target, get my feel for that day and make the swing.

[ebrasmus21]

That's a lot like how Jim Waldron looks at it, too, and makes sense to me. Big diff between me and you is my 'old' swing sucked for so long I'm still not really to trust what just shows up. Which is how I see ebrasmus dilemma, too. But it'll get there. The major overhaul for me is done - the basics are in place. Now it's just about getting this new set of motions to feel 'normal.'

 

I went from 18 at 29 to scratch at 31...

 

My old swing sucked for plenty long!!! The truth is this. It doesn't matter if your new swing is solid enough, ingrained enough, pretty enough, etc. If you show up to a tournament trying to do something different you will shoot a worse score than you could have that day. I don't know anybody who can handle internal pressure plus external pressure plus a swing focused mind at the same time.

 

I finally quit fighting this when I got tired of watching people with clearly inferior mechanics crushing me on the card when it counts.

 

Your posts are interesting info - thanks for sharing. Because I'm at information overload and I probably over analyze things to death I'm not going to try not to ask questions.

 

My dilemma is kinda what Blake is saying.... I've had some huge mechanical overhauls going on for the past 12 months and I don't own the new move yet. Once I own the new move, or at least trust it I'd like to exit the golfswing mode and just play.

 

I have read others who think like Rohlio - so I am sure they are telling the truth. I have to tell you, when I play with the swing that just happens and think about target or whatever, I play worse.

 

However, I think the end of the phase I am in is nearing.... I am pretty content with the basics I have in place. They are pretty limited but substantial. I am just going to work them and work them and work them. Having a very limited number of the same feels/motions that I practice is nice.

 

What i am seeing right now is I play the first few holes great. I hit the ball so solid and straight. But then as I get tired (I am a walker, play hilly courses) that still pretty new swing and my clarity of its feels sort of melts. (and last lesson was a week ago where input on pivot tied everything together, so this is very new). Which I am sure is what would happen in competition, too.

 

The good news is, my good swings are really good. Not what they look like but what happens to the ball. To be sure, if you see my swing, it's not gonna wow anyone. But it's pretty solid now and I have a LOT of faith in it.

 

I really think the key for me is getting rid of a million possible options so that the whole thing gets simple. Putting got this way. I have made the same stroke now for a while and it works. I went from awful to not bad at all. Once I get some real confidence in things, there's just no reason to chase something else. I think some people think people like me are chasing a pretty swing for its own sake. Not true.

 

I am probably going to start a thread on this, but I was listening to the golf Sirrius station last night with Tyler Ferrell. He was asked what the biggest myth he sees. I was thinking he's say "Keep your head down" or something like that. Nope. It was the whole "hold the lag" idea which he said causes people to pull arms down, get the shaft vertical, and early extend to cope, stall and flip. My original swing in a nutshell.

 

So fixing this was about trying to hit the ball solid more consistently.

 

Be fun if all of us Monte guys could play together some day.

 

Maybe a CA golf weekend somewhere .. if we’re really crazy a future Bandon trip?

[Rohlio]

That's a lot like how Jim Waldron looks at it, too, and makes sense to me. Big diff between me and you is my 'old' swing sucked for so long I'm still not really to trust what just shows up. Which is how I see ebrasmus dilemma, too. But it'll get there. The major overhaul for me is done - the basics are in place. Now it's just about getting this new set of motions to feel 'normal.'

 

I went from 18 at 29 to scratch at 31...

 

My old swing sucked for plenty long!!! The truth is this. It doesn't matter if your new swing is solid enough, ingrained enough, pretty enough, etc. If you show up to a tournament trying to do something different you will shoot a worse score than you could have that day. I don't know anybody who can handle internal pressure plus external pressure plus a swing focused mind at the same time.

 

I finally quit fighting this when I got tired of watching people with clearly inferior mechanics crushing me on the card when it counts.

 

Your posts are interesting info - thanks for sharing. Because I'm at information overload and I probably over analyze things to death I'm not going to try not to ask questions.

 

My dilemma is kinda what Blake is saying.... I've had some huge mechanical overhauls going on for the past 12 months and I don't own the new move yet. Once I own the new move, or at least trust it I'd like to exit the golfswing mode and just play.

 

I have read others who think like Rohlio - so I am sure they are telling the truth. I have to tell you, when I play with the swing that just happens and think about target or whatever, I play worse.

 

However, I think the end of the phase I am in is nearing.... I am pretty content with the basics I have in place. They are pretty limited but substantial. I am just going to work them and work them and work them. Having a very limited number of the same feels/motions that I practice is nice.

 

What i am seeing right now is I play the first few holes great. I hit the ball so solid and straight. But then as I get tired (I am a walker, play hilly courses) that still pretty new swing and my clarity of its feels sort of melts. (and last lesson was a week ago where input on pivot tied everything together, so this is very new). Which I am sure is what would happen in competition, too.

 

The good news is, my good swings are really good. Not what they look like but what happens to the ball. To be sure, if you see my swing, it's not gonna wow anyone. But it's pretty solid now and I have a LOT of faith in it.

 

I really think the key for me is getting rid of a million possible options so that the whole thing gets simple. Putting got this way. I have made the same stroke now for a while and it works. I went from awful to not bad at all. Once I get some real confidence in things, there's just no reason to chase something else. I think some people think people like me are chasing a pretty swing for its own sake. Not true.

 

I am probably going to start a thread on this, but I was listening to the golf Sirrius station last night with Tyler Ferrell. He was asked what the biggest myth he sees. I was thinking he's say "Keep your head down" or something like that. Nope. It was the whole "hold the lag" idea which he said causes people to pull arms down, get the shaft vertical, and early extend to cope, stall and flip. My original swing in a nutshell.

 

So fixing this was about trying to hit the ball solid more consistently.

 

Be fun if all of us Monte guys could play together some day.

 

Maybe a CA golf weekend somewhere .. if we’re really crazy a future Bandon trip?

 

Bandon YES!

[ebrasmus21]

Well, damnit, lets get this started.

[ebrasmus21]

Should we plan a Bandon trip? Simple question.

[wmblake2000]

Just told my wife... I can see it...So I am in...

[ebrasmus21]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

 

Who else? Don’t be bashful.

[Rohlio]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

 

Who else? Don’t be bashful.

 

2020 or 2021 I can do....

 

Golf budget blown on Scotland this year!

[ebrasmus21]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

 

Who else? Don’t be bashful.

 

2020 or 2021 I can do....

 

Golf budget blown on Scotland this year!

 

We need Duffer to get in here to tell us when Sheep Ranch will be completed. I’d say we wait till they have the fifth course complete so how about 2021? If I’m remembering correctly Sheep Rranch will be finished sometime in 2020.

[Obee]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

 

Who else? Don’t be bashful.

 

My son and I are planning on going in October… There is a match play event there. Teams.

[ebrasmus21]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

 

Who else? Don’t be bashful.

 

My son and I are planning on going in October… There is a match play event there. Teams.

 

First of all, good luck later this year. Second of all, go again in 2021.

 

:)

[wmblake2000]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

 

Who else? Don't be bashful.

 

My son and I are planning on going in October… There is a match play event there. Teams.

 

Very cool! How old is your son?

[Obee]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

 

Who else? Don't be bashful.

 

My son and I are planning on going in October… There is a match play event there. Teams.

 

Very cool! How old is your son?

 

30

[deadsolid...shank]

I just stumbled on this thread. Great read. Sounds like everyone had a great time.

 

Bandon hmm.....

[wmblake2000]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

 

Who else? Don't be bashful.

 

My son and I are planning on going in October There is a match play event there. Teams.

 

Very cool! How old is your son?

 

30

 

Nice...my kids never caught the love of golf...that sure sounds fun.

[ebrasmus21]

I just stumbled on this thread. Great read. Sounds like everyone had a great time.

 

Bandon hmm.....

 

It’s happening.

[wmblake2000]

My only constraint is I’m traveling with wifey to Spain in Sept. (which also kills plans to play Scga super senior tourney)

 

One other place that I’d also love to play with some wrxers is Pasatiempo in Santa Cruz...but Brandon would of course be awesome

[ddetts]

I'd love to get Bandon on my trip list! I better start conditioning my wife now to possibly make that happen.

[ebrasmus21]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

DSS (tentative yes)

Obee (tentative yes)

ddelts (tentative yes)

 

Who else? Don’t be bashful.

[Schnee]

Count me in tentatively for Bandon.

[MonteScheinblum]

Apparently the townies don’t like obnoxious outsiders. Bad for me.

[ebrasmus21]

Apparently the townies don’t like obnoxious outsiders. Bad for me.

 

Oregonians beware.

[Pooh_Bear]

At what point of this story did you dropkick the initial teacher out of your life and start using Monte? I read a little at the beginning but there's no way I'm going through 21 pages. With all due respect. Your swing went from looking good imo to hunched over like you're choking on something back to looking good.

 

I did enjoy your story about the club championship matches though. I hope you stick with it.

[ebrasmus21]

At what point of this story did you dropkick the initial teacher out of your life and start using Monte? I read a little at the beginning but there's no way I'm going through 21 pages. With all due respect. Your swing went from looking good imo to hunched over like you're choking on something back to looking good.

 

I did enjoy your story about the club championship matches though. I hope you stick with it.

 

I bought 4 lessons from my initial teacher. Felt like I learned a lot from her but also got the impression that she’s focused on teaching a specific swing - I started to feel like I didn’t fit into that swing and it was bothering my back as well.

 

At that point I’d already been on WRX for years and had heard of Monte. I travel for work and a few times a year I end up spending time in Orange County so I decided I’d try a lesson with Monte on a work trip. That’s when I exited my hunched-over phase and got back to a more “normal” looking address position.

 

It was kind of crappy because I had some major S-Spine going on for a long time and it took forever to get rid of it.

[ferrispgm]

I may be in depending on time frame. I love everything about Bandon. Even the obnoxious drive from Portland if you fly in there. The only place where I have played that poorly and still enjoyed every second of it. Lucky for Monte you never need to leave the resort and experience the townies if you don't want to ;)

[ebrasmus21]

Okay we have:

 

Rohlio

Wmblake

Ebrasmus

DSS (tentative yes)

Obee (tentative yes)

ddelts (tentative yes)

Schnee

Ferrispgm

glk

 

Monte is playing hard to get.

 

Who else?

[glk]

2years is a long wait out but my wife has wanted to get back to Portland and spend lots of money at the Pendleton wool shop. Maybe lol. Though I was thinking of waiting things out to see how creative you could be in shaming

[ebrasmus21]

2years is a long wait out but my wife has wanted to get back to Portland and spend lots of money at the Pendleton wool shop. Maybe lol. Though I was thinking of waiting things out to see how creative you could be in shaming

 

My wrath has been avoided for the time being.

 

Tentative list has been updated

 

:)

[ddetts]

2years is a long wait out but my wife has wanted to get back to Portland and spend lots of money at the Pendleton wool shop. Maybe lol. Though I was thinking of waiting things out to see how creative you could be in shaming

 

My wrath has been avoided for the time being.

 

Tentative list has been updated

 

:)

 

What is/are the tentative date(s) for this occasion?

[ebrasmus21]

2years is a long wait out but my wife has wanted to get back to Portland and spend lots of money at the Pendleton wool shop. Maybe lol. Though I was thinking of waiting things out to see how creative you could be in shaming

 

My wrath has been avoided for the time being.

 

Tentative list has been updated

 

:)

 

What is/are the tentative date(s) for this occasion?

 

At some point I’ll need to send a group PM to start discussing those details.