MD/DC/VA Golfers - Twelve Monkeys Mental Divergence

[TheCityGame]

> @2moreTerps said:

> there IS one absolute rule of short game play: the lie can dictate the shot you have to play. I'm not saying the lie DOES dictate the shot you play. I'm saying the lie CAN dictate the shot you play. If it does, you gotta be able to pull it off.

>

 


 

[FAbb]

> @baddomes said:

> In my experience, the best way to practice pitches with good contact is off a driving range mat.

 

Driving range mats will let you get away with anything but a thin shot.

 

> @2moreTerps said:

> there IS one absolute rule of short game play: the lie can dictate the shot you have to play. I'm not saying the lie DOES dictate the shot you play. I'm saying the lie CAN dictate the shot you play. If it does, you gotta be able to pull it off.

 

This happened to me several times on Sunday. A few I had to play that low, chunk/blade-proof PW shot. A couple times that I wanted to chip, I had to putt because of the lie/turf conditions.

 

The lie doesn't always back you into a corner, but it certainly can.

[FAbb]

One thing that absolutely blows my mind is how anybody that's even semi serious about golf can have an awful short game. Blading, chunking, and generally not being able to consistently get yourself on the green and putting in one shot is not excusable. Everybody is gonna fudge one up every now and again, but not consistently. It may be hard to get really good at, and master different techniques for various scenarios, lies, and conditions. It is just simply not a tall order to develop at least one technique that is serviceable.

[therealsneek]

> @TheCityGame said:

> Chipping : the Sieckman book I read this winter, he prefers open stance. I prefer open stance. I also think that in NO POSSIBLE SENSE of the word "correct" is there actually a correct short game technique.

>

> The match play has some interesting match-ups (this is ignoring the pool implications)

> Group 12 : Jason Day, Henrik Stenson, Phil Mick, Jim Furyk <---dayum

> Of course Tiger gives this some juice and has some interesting matches

> Group 13 : Tiger, Cantplay, Sneds, Aaron Wise

> 14 : Finau, Poulters, Kisner, Mitchell. A few of these guys have been playing great.

> 15 : Bubba, Spieth (who says he's "very close" by the way), Horse-hole and "Nah".

>

> Fleetwood and Oostie could be a good match.

>

> Pool wise : my initial pick was going to be the Barnrat. I really want him. He's in a group with Bryson (who is playing this for the first time) and Leishman (who doesn't have a good record in it) and Knox, who has never gotten out of group. I'm not totally off him, but I'm not sure.

>

 

From a match projector I used Barnrat should actually be a slight favorite to beat Bryson in their match, but is a pretty big underdog to Leishman. That should be an interesting group.

 

This is the methodology behind the projector:

_We find every time two players played the same hole on the same day that is +/- 10 yards of each hole at Austin CC. We then run 1/2 Million Match Play simulations where we tally the scores by randomly selecting from the historic results. Holes played more recently are weighted more._

[FAbb]

We're on the cusp of our first great thread war of the new forum era. I'm trying my best to push it over the edge here. What more do I have to do? Do I need to call somebody a mean name? Take up an indefensible position, and dig my head in the sand?

[thechief16]

coughTRONcough

[TheCityGame]

> @therealsneek said:

> > @TheCityGame said:

> > Chipping : the Sieckman book I read this winter, he prefers open stance. I prefer open stance. I also think that in NO POSSIBLE SENSE of the word "correct" is there actually a correct short game technique.

> >

> > The match play has some interesting match-ups (this is ignoring the pool implications)

> > Group 12 : Jason Day, Henrik Stenson, Phil Mick, Jim Furyk <---dayum

> > Of course Tiger gives this some juice and has some interesting matches

> > Group 13 : Tiger, Cantplay, Sneds, Aaron Wise

> > 14 : Finau, Poulters, Kisner, Mitchell. A few of these guys have been playing great.

> > 15 : Bubba, Spieth (who says he's "very close" by the way), Horse-hole and "Nah".

> >

> > Fleetwood and Oostie could be a good match.

> >

> > Pool wise : my initial pick was going to be the Barnrat. I really want him. He's in a group with Bryson (who is playing this for the first time) and Leishman (who doesn't have a good record in it) and Knox, who has never gotten out of group. I'm not totally off him, but I'm not sure.

> >

>

> From a match projector I used Barnrat should actually be a slight favorite to beat Bryson in their match, but is a pretty big underdog to Leishman. That should be an interesting group.

>

> This is the methodology behind the projector:

> _We find every time two players played the same hole on the same day that is +/- 10 yards of each hole at Austin CC. We then run 1/2 Million Match Play simulations where we tally the scores by randomly selecting from the historic results. Holes played more recently are weighted more._

 

Sneek's out here playing 3D chess, boys.

 

 

[FAbb]

Also in consideration for the match play - If you don't get top 8, it almost doesn't matter. The difference between the 9-16 place payout and last place is like $100k. Of course the winner takes home like $1.7+ milly, so you really just want to pick that guy, just like every other week.

[TheCityGame]

Kirkland is selling gloves now. Check out this review by the single digit capper. . .

 


 

[SullGolf]

> @FAbb said:

> One thing that absolutely blows my mind is how anybody that's even semi serious about golf can have an awful short game. Blading, chunking, and generally not being able to consistently get yourself on the green and putting in one shot is not excusable. Everybody is gonna fudge one up every now and again, but not consistently. It may be hard to get really good at, and master different techniques for various scenarios, lies, and conditions. It is just simply not a tall order to develop at least one technique that is serviceable.

 

I feel personally attacked.

[siegel159]

Wish I had super fast swing too

[davechen]

I find chipping so frustrating. Most of the time I feel pretty good about my short game, but then I'll hit the odd blade or chunk that makes me want to change my style. I can manage the front foot UTB or the back foot hit down on the ball or the hybrid chip pretty well most of the time, but then I'll hit a bad one that makes me give up on whatever style I happen to be using at the time.

[HighBoomingDraws]

> @TheCityGame said:

> Kirkland is selling gloves now. Check out this review by the single digit capper. . .

>

> 

>

 

I have two packs on order due to be delivered Friday. $20 for 4 gloves (look like the old white w/ black titleist cabrettas stamped w/ KSig) and they even come with a free Ksig ball marker!

[FAbb]

> @SullGolf said:

> > @FAbb said:

> > One thing that absolutely blows my mind is how anybody that's even semi serious about golf can have an awful short game. Blading, chunking, and generally not being able to consistently get yourself on the green and putting in one shot is not excusable. Everybody is gonna fudge one up every now and again, but not consistently. It may be hard to get really good at, and master different techniques for various scenarios, lies, and conditions. It is just simply not a tall order to develop at least one technique that is serviceable.

>

> I feel personally attacked.

 

I originally have your post quoted when I wrote that, but decided to at least make it a little bit subtle. You see right through me.

[ceejay81]

> @FAbb said:

>

>**You see right through me.**

 

 

Only because you're thin and wispy.

[gregh729]

> @FAbb said:

> One thing that absolutely blows my mind is how anybody that's even semi serious about golf can have an awful short game. Blading, chunking, and generally not being able to consistently get yourself on the green and putting in one shot is not excusable. Everybody is gonna fudge one up every now and again, but not consistently. It may be hard to get really good at, and master different techniques for various scenarios, lies, and conditions. It is just simply not a tall order to develop at least one technique that is serviceable.

 

Mine ranges from mediocre to awful. It used to be decent, but now with no practice and no good thought process, it is a crap shoot. I want to come up with a standard shot, that I can use 75% of the time. I used to use the stiff wrist technique (from an old Ken Venturi tip), but now I am very flippy and yippy. Might to spend some time at the short game area.

 

I think I still have this old issue somewhere

 

[Ocgolfrick]

# WRXer attacked by short squat wispy Internet troll over his chipping game

Hiver Sully says "I can't practice that often and have a demanding job and kids. Who's this FAbb guy to judge me?" Investigation ongoing, and a candlelight vigil will be held tonight between 6-7pm at Woodmore to start the healing process.

 

 

[gregh729]

September 1982 issue

 

[FAbb]

All I'm saying is that it isn't that hard. You don't have to be a great athlete. You don't need great resources and facilities. You don't need countless hours of practice. You just have to be willing to commit a little bit of time and energy to it. I think people are delusional about their skill, to some degree. I've talked to upper teens handicappers, and even much higher, and they'll claim their short game and putting are totally fine. But they're 2+ chipping, and 3 putting with regularity. It's not sexy, and it doesn't replace improving long game by any means, but it's such low hanging fruit to at least develop a serviceable short game.

[SullGolf]

Step 1: Ask HBD to find you one of his New Jersey contacts to loan you some money.

Step 2: Buy a bunch of new clubs and have no way to pay back the guys in Step 1.

Step 3: Get your wrists put in casts.

Step 4: Short game mastery.

[Ocgolfrick]

# Internet Troll doubles down, says Sully isn't a great athlete or has any resources or abilities, could be delusional.

"Its not my fault!" Sully says "I'm trying my best here!"

 

[SullGolf]

"But he's not wrong", continues Sully.

[baddomes]

OCgolfrick headlines are the best content.

[gsrjc]

Do people generally look at the lie and then decide on the chip that you want to make and choose the appropriate club? I've had this ongoing discussion with golf buddies as that is what i do, but they say no... you should always take your most lofted wedge no matter what it is and just hit a normal chip. when i ask what is normal, they can't describe it.

[HighBoomingDraws]

> @SullGolf said:

> Step 1: Ask HBD to find you one of his New Jersey contacts to loan you some money.

> Step 2: Buy a bunch of new clubs and have no way to pay back the guys in Step 1.

> Step 3: Get your wrists put in casts.

> Step 4: Short game mastery.

Peep the book linked below, then check out the screen shot of chapter 7. Don't eff with HBD.

https://www.amazon.com/Murders-Monmouth-Capital-Crimes-Jersey/dp/1596293489

 

[HighBoomingDraws]

DM me for the full story

[ceejay81]

> @gsrjc said:

> Do people generally look at the lie and then decide on the chip that you want to make and choose the appropriate club? I've had this ongoing discussion with golf buddies as that is what i do, but they say no... you should always take your most lofted wedge no matter what it is and just hit a normal chip. when i ask what is normal, they can't describe it.

 

 

Are your buddies f'ng with you? I think you should always take the lie into consideration for every_single_shot.

[SullGolf]

Look. Murder in the Ice Cream Parlor is awesome, and has a certain Clue vibe to it. But let's be honest. We want to hear about Gypsy Joe and how he slayed his fortunetelling wife's lover. Didn't she see it coming? Was Joe a Gypsy who also had fortunetelling abilities, or was he more of the non-stereotype guy who just had a Romanian heritage?

[baddomes]

I hope the murder started because they only had the green mint chocolate chip, and the murderer wanted the white mint chocolate chip.

[TheCityGame]

From the reviews. . .

_Filled with incredible stories of my's family history that has long been lost to time on purpose! _

And. . .

_While the author did extensive research in combing through court records, Chapter 11- on my aunt Rosina Stoble's murder and my grandmother Christina Stoble's trial - ends with a baseless speculation by the author. He can not understand how a woman (my grandmother, Christina Stoble) could murder her own daughter for having a baby out of wedlock. He makes a baseless leap to the conclusion that my aunt was impregnated by her father (my grandfather, Michael Stoble), which caused shame for the family and resulted in murder by my grandmother.

This is pure conjecture, which is also hurtful to the surviving members of a family who have already endured much heartache over this tragedy. My mother was five years old when this occurred. She and her two sisters Millie and Anna were placed in a foster home while their mother was in prison. The entire family carried this shame throughout their days in one form or another.

Some of the Italian-Americans in the Red Bank/Long Branch area thought my mother's family was cursed by this horrible blood crime. My mother never spoke of it, but after her death one of my aunts told me that this murder was in fact committed by my grandmother's brother, who may have been connected to a local mob outfit. Because of his criminal affiliation, my grandmother took the rap so he did not have to go to jail. After reading this book I think my grandmother still took the rap for a male family member, but I believe the actual murderer was more likely my grandfather or possibly one of my uncles.

The author does not understand Old World Italian immigrants. The father held the power of life and death over his wife and children. The concept of "paterfamilia" is older than ancient Rome. That would be more likely for the murder of this innocent 16 year old girl while giving birth. This does not make it right, but it takes away the sting of another accusation unjustly raised by an otherwise credible author.

I hope that if the author ever publishes a second edition of this book he removes the hurtful and unfounded speculation of incest from his concluding paragraph. If he has a source that implicates my grandfather as an incestuous parent, he is obligated to include it with his research. Otherwise, remove the offending material._