George Knudson's swing theories/technique...applicable to 11 hdcp. player???

[bluedot]

4 hours ago, Jersey golfer said:

 

Curious since I am a couple of years older than you, what method are employing now?

 

Nothing that has a name; just a more "conventional" swing that I began working on with a teaching pro this time a year ago when what I had been doing just flat out wouldn't work anymore.  More emphasis on turning, both hips and shoulders. 

[NoTalentLefty]

On 9/18/2020 at 2:15 PM, bdcava said:

His backswing looks like MDLT's to me. To my eye they both look like they go inside and up. That's what I've been trying to achieve. I'm inside and flat. Makes the club very heavy.

It sure does to me as well. 

[NoTalentLefty]

On 9/18/2020 at 2:15 PM, bdcava said:

His backswing looks like MDLT's to me. To my eye they both look like they go inside and up. That's what I've been trying to achieve. I'm inside and flat. Makes the club very heavy.

It sure does to me as well. 

[NoTalentLefty]

On 9/18/2020 at 2:15 PM, bdcava said:

His backswing looks like MDLT's to me. To my eye they both look like they go inside and up. That's what I've been trying to achieve. I'm inside and flat. Makes the club very heavy.

It sure does to me as well. 

[golftech]

On 9/14/2020 at 9:39 AM, jc4birdie said:

"I just found that there were days when I couldn't time that up very well (or at all!) and just never really got back to my left side completely; the result of that is ALWAYS going to be throwing your upper body up and around to get it out of the way, leading to a lot of blocks and thin iron shots."

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Are you sure you're not actually ME????  ?  Those misses (and lots of hooks, which are block swings w/ a closed clubface, in reality) are what led me to move away from Knudson/Ballard, w/ the thought that I'd be moving around less on the ball.  Again, MY experience, and mine only...but the thin shot has always been my miss, regardless of my swing du jour.

Both Ballard and Knudson believed in swinging from the ground up.  I’ve never experienced a block or thin shot when I truly was swing from the ground up.  But I have when my legs/foot were a little slow and not quite on.  Easy then for upper body to lead instead of following or reacting.  

Edited October 21, 2022 by golftech

[Zitlow]

I like it, Sam Snead said his hands and feet drove his swing. Makes sense, the feet are connected to the ground and the hands are connected to the club. 

[cardoustie]

With my fitter telling lots of GK stories, I’m going to dig out the book

[dcrocketman]

[dcrocketman]

I have my own thoughts on George, what he did vs what he felt .

I worked extensively with George along with my brother back in the early 80’s

taught us a lot different than the book

[golftech]

8 hours ago, dcrocketman said:

I have my own thoughts on George, what he did vs what he felt .

I worked extensively with George along with my brother back in the early 80’s

taught us a lot different than the book

Care to share?

 

I had a similar experience in the early 80’s with both Ballard and his mentor, Sam Byrd.  The latter introduced me to Wild Bill Mehlhorn’s teachings.  All similar to Knudson somewhat.

[rgk5]

Hogan said that George had an excellent swing, not unusual in that George was a Hogan disciple. He also told George to get a haircut. 🤣

[Chunkitgood]

There is a respectable train of thought, with which I agree (although I may not myself be respectable), that lateral motion in the swing is in fact rotation around a horizontal axis going through the upper body.  You might think of it as the upper body being a pendulum suspended from the head that swings away from and towards the target.  Just stand up and rock your shoulders and sway your hips while keeping your head in the same place.

 

Just like rotation around the vertical axis, this rotation is asymmetric in that the motion is greater in the downswing, the net effect being more feeling of a hip thrust towards the target in the downswing, while in the backswing it is perceived as a slight weight shift.

 

Combine with rotation around the vertical axis and there you go.

 

 

[straightshot7]

I've read The Natural Golf Swing by George Knudson and Lorne Rubenstein. 

 

I think there is a lot of truth to it. Ultimately, you probably won't find all of your Swing answers in 1 place. So you have to take some nuggets from Knudson and some nuggets from other places and piece it together into what works for you.

 

But the idea of using your weight shift to drive the swing, etc. would be great for most golfers to learn. Especially since most amateurs are too upper body dominant.

 

The idea that the hands and arms just hold onto the club, is one I still often lean on.

 

The fact that if you don't manipulate the grip/club head, the club face will always remain square - - is an important idea I still lean on.

 

if I have a 100 yard shot - - I especially just let me hands do nothing and go along for the ride, and it increases the likelihood that the shot will come out on target.

 

The reality is my hands and arms are still going to work, but they won't be doing too much. 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by straightshot7

[golftech]

21 minutes ago, straightshot7 said:

I've read The Natural Golf Swing by George Knudson and Lorne Rubenstein. 

 

I think there is a lot of truth to it. Ultimately, you probably won't find all of your Swing answers in 1 place. So you have to take some nuggets from Knudson and some nuggets from other places and piece it together into what works for you.

 

But the idea of using your weight shift to drive the swing, etc. would be great for most golfers to learn. Especially since most amateurs are too upper body dominant.

 

The idea that the hands and arms just hold onto the club, is one I still often lean on.

 

The fact that if you don't manipulate the grip/club head, the club face will always remain square - - is an important idea I still lean on.

 

if I have a 100 yard shot - - I especially just let me hands do nothing and go along for the ride, and it increases the likelihood that the shot will come out on target.

 

The reality is my hands and arms are still going to work, but they won't be doing too much. 

 

Very well stated….
 

There is some natural motions occurring as the elbows bend in backswing and follow-through.  It’s similar to reaching up to touch the brim of your hat - elbow bends and hand cocks back and up a little.  But these are natural motions most do everyday.  But without weight transfer and foot pressure initiating the motion a lot of bad upper body manipulation can occur.  I think a key point most miss in Knudson’s teaching (and I admit to re-reading his book today) is that he sees the trail foot as a pivot point, then the lead foot.  This aligns with Ballard somewhat also. But since Knudson spent time with Ballard it’s not surprising.