Tipping a ventus black

[Mario Good Times]

So from what I’ve heard is the tip section of the ventus black is the stiffest part of the shaft so tipping the shaft would do what to it exactly ?  Most people say don’t tip, but then you see pros still tipping it...  does anyone have any numbers show of a tipped vs untipped ventus black.  

[third-times-a-charm]

Several hundred rpm less spin and a stiffer tip feel

 

not recommended and not necessary unless you’re a very high SS player 

[Mario Good Times]

How is it a stiffer feel when the tip is the stiffest part of the shaft?  My little brain isn’t getting this ...

[Valtiel]

1 hour ago, Mario Good Times said:

How is it a stiffer feel when the tip is the stiffest part of the shaft?  My little brain isn’t getting this ...

The tip is never the stiffest part of the shaft, all shafts lose stiffness from butt to tip as a natural function of tapering from approx .600 to .335. When shafts are advertised as being extremely tip stiff or butt soft, it is relative. The stiffest tipped, softest butt shaft in the world is still significantly stiffer in the butt section than the tip just by virtue of basic shaft construction. Exotic materials are used to break those underlying "basics", like by reinforcing the tip to slow the softening caused by taper or to retain stability in torque in an area that is being softened, like the mid or the butt. 

[Fujikura Golf]

On 10/25/2020 at 7:04 PM, third-times-a-charm said:

Several hundred rpm less spin and a stiffer tip feel

 

not recommended and not necessary unless you’re a very high SS player 

 

Yes, this. Tour guys do an inch standard, but that's just how it is on Tour. We do not recommend it unless you really need to knock spin off, or for another specific fitting reason.

 

with Ventus, compared to say Motore X, the tip is already engineered to be extremely stiff so it's generally just not needed.

[GoTime]

8 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

 

Yes, this. Tour guys do an inch standard, but that's just how it is on Tour. We do not recommend it unless you really need to knock spin off, or for another specific fitting reason.

 

with Ventus, compared to say Motore X, the tip is already engineered to be extremely stiff so it's generally just not needed.

 

Does taylormade tip 1 inch standard when using Velocore Ventus Black for retail customers?

[Mario Good Times]

On 10/25/2020 at 7:04 PM, third-times-a-charm said:

Several hundred rpm less spin and a stiffer tip feel

 

not recommended and not necessary unless you’re a very high SS player 

 

47 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

 

Yes, this. Tour guys do an inch standard, but that's just how it is on Tour. We do not recommend it unless you really need to knock spin off, or for another specific fitting reason.

 

with Ventus, compared to say Motore X, the tip is already engineered to be extremely stiff so it's generally just not needed.

So does tipping it stiffen the shaft?  I’m more confused then ever about tipping this shaft?  If it’s the stiffest part of the shaft how does tipping it effect play?  Do we have any numbers?  

[GoTime]

6 minutes ago, Mario Good Times said:

 

So does tipping it stiffen the shaft?  I’m more confused then ever about tipping this shaft?  If it’s the stiffest part of the shaft how does tipping it effect play?  Do we have any numbers?  

 

Yes, tipping stiffens the shaft. This is a widely know, universally accepted fact.

[Puttersaurus Rex]

Hmmm

Edited October 28, 2020 by Puttersaurus Rex

[Mario Good Times]

I understand tipping stiffens shafts, but this conversation is regarding the ventus, in which is stated that the tip is the strongest and stiffest part of the shaft so how is cutting the stiffest part of the shaft off make it stronger and stiffer?  Shouldn’t the opposite happen...??

[GoTime]

1 minute ago, Mario Good Times said:

I understand tipping stiffens shafts, but this conversation is regarding the ventus, in which is stated that the tip is the strongest and stiffest part of the shaft so how is cutting the stiffest part of the shaft off make it stronger and stiffer?  Shouldn’t the opposite happen...??

 

Is it easier to bend a piece of re-bar if it's 12 inches or 6?

 

[Mario Good Times]

Very very true but different parts of the shaft are different flexes unlike rebar.  So let’s picture a piece of licorice and the last inch dipped in hard chocolate.  Now cut the inch of chocolate off into a half inch...  am I onto something?  

[hckymeyer]

1 minute ago, Mario Good Times said:

Very very true but different parts of the shaft are different flexes unlike rebar.  So let’s picture a piece of licorice and the last inch dipped in hard chocolate.  Now cut the inch of chocolate off into a half inch...  am I onto something?  

The half inch of hard chocolate will still be harder to bend than an inch of hard chocolate.

[Valtiel]

55 minutes ago, Mario Good Times said:

I understand tipping stiffens shafts, but this conversation is regarding the ventus, in which is stated that the tip is the strongest and stiffest part of the shaft so how is cutting the stiffest part of the shaft off make it stronger and stiffer?  Shouldn’t the opposite happen...??

I already addressed this above. 

[Nickthurgood]

6 hours ago, Fujikura Golf said:

 

Yes, this. Tour guys do an inch standard, but that's just how it is on Tour. We do not recommend it unless you really need to knock spin off, or for another specific fitting reason.

 

with Ventus, compared to say Motore X, the tip is already engineered to be extremely stiff so it's generally just not needed.

I concur. Tipped one of my customer’s Ventus Black shaft 1.25” (his request) and it’s extremely low spin. Very, very stiff too.  He swings 125+ w/ a violent transition though. 

[pinhigh27]

11 hours ago, Mario Good Times said:

I understand tipping stiffens shafts, but this conversation is regarding the ventus, in which is stated that the tip is the strongest and stiffest part of the shaft so how is cutting the stiffest part of the shaft off make it stronger and stiffer?  Shouldn’t the opposite happen...??

See Valtiel post above . 

[Stuart_G]

11 hours ago, Mario Good Times said:

I understand tipping stiffens shafts, but this conversation is regarding the ventus, in which is stated that the tip is the strongest and stiffest part of the shaft so how is cutting the stiffest part of the shaft off make it stronger and stiffer?  Shouldn’t the opposite happen...??

 

Look at the EI profile chart here (about 3/4 of the way down the page):

https://fujikuragolf.com/woods/ventus

 

The tip is clearly not even close to being the stiffest part of the shaft.

[Fujikura Golf]

14 hours ago, Mario Good Times said:

I understand tipping stiffens shafts, but this conversation is regarding the ventus, in which is stated that the tip is the strongest and stiffest part of the shaft so how is cutting the stiffest part of the shaft off make it stronger and stiffer?  Shouldn’t the opposite happen...??

 

Sorry for any confusion. It was never claimed to be the stiffest/strongest part of the shaft - but rather it's the stiffest tipped shaft we've produced. 

 

Tipping a shaft always makes it play generally stiffer and will reduce spin/launch slightly.

 

15 hours ago, 000 said:

 

Does taylormade tip 1 inch standard when using Velocore Ventus Black for retail customers?

 

No not to our knowledge, I think that is a #fakenews rumor

[Stuart_G]

35 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

No not to our knowledge, I think that is a #fakenews rumor

 

It's been a confirmed practice by TM for all aftermarket shafts for several years now - started with the SLDR release.

 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

11 hours ago, Fujikura Golf said:

 

Sorry for any confusion. It was never claimed to be the stiffest/strongest part of the shaft - but rather it's the stiffest tipped shaft we've produced. 

 

Tipping a shaft always makes it play generally stiffer and will reduce spin/launch slightly.

 

 

No not to our knowledge, I think that is a #fakenews rumor

@Fujikura Golfactually, if you go to their website and build a driver with the Velocore, you have the option of going up to 1” soft, which means they are in fact tipping the shaft 1” unless asked for differently.

[Valtiel]

16 hours ago, Fujikura Golf said:

 

Sorry for any confusion. It was never claimed to be the stiffest/strongest part of the shaft - but rather it's the stiffest tipped shaft we've produced. 

 

Tipping a shaft always makes it play generally stiffer and will reduce spin/launch slightly.

 

 

No not to our knowledge, I think that is a #fakenews rumor

 

16 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

 

It's been a confirmed practice by TM for all aftermarket shafts for several years now - started with the SLDR release.

 

 

5 hours ago, therealjonzone said:

@Fujikura Golfactually, if you go to their website and build a driver with the Velocore, you have the option of going up to 1” soft, which means they are in fact tipping the shaft 1” unless asked for differently.

Maybe Fujikura can be the hero here and finally help us get to the bottom of the Taylormade Tipping Trouble! 😄

[Fujikura Golf]

in regards to TM tipping, we could be mistaken so please don't take our word for it. They're your best source to check on that.

[GoTime]

1 hour ago, Fujikura Golf said:

in regards to TM tipping, we could be mistaken so please don't take our word for it. They're your best source to check on that.

 

You've certainly got the contacts to reach them directly and ask. Us peons do not, aside from @'ing them on twitter 😄. What do you thinking about reaching out to them? 

[Puttersaurus Rex]

26 minutes ago, 000 said:

 

You've certainly got the contacts to reach them directly and ask. Us peons do not, aside from @'ing them on twitter 😄. What do you thinking about reaching out to them? 

Do you think Fujikura wants to get in the middle of a pissing match about TM tipping?  The response above is what you are going to get from them.

[Its_KBO.]

Played mine tipped 1” in a sim this summer. I much prefer the feel of tipped shafts generally. I also believe tipping can help increase strike consistency. This is just my 0.02$ 

[GoTime]

4 hours ago, Puttersaurus Rex said:

Do you think Fujikura wants to get in the middle of a pissing match about TM tipping?  The response above is what you are going to get from them.

 

Pissing match? What planet are you on. I would think Fujikura would be interested in doing whatever necessary to ensure their customers and informed about their product. Frankly I am shocked the rep here doesn't know how one of the largest golf companies on the planet handles their product.

[Mario Good Times]

Well I went untipped for the first time in my life.  I unusually tip 1” and it feels good the distance is good but I can feel or maybe in my head a difference.  I’m dying to try 1/2 or 3/4 tipped black side by side now!!  Driving me crazy !!!

[Puttersaurus Rex]

8 minutes ago, 000 said:

 

Pissing match? What planet are you on. I would think Fujikura would be interested in doing whatever necessary to ensure their customers and informed about their product. Frankly I am shocked the rep here doesn't know how one of the largest golf companies on the planet handles their product.

Planet “reality”.  Fuji sells shafts.  It is up to the consumer to make an informed purchase (fitting or blind purchase).  If TM is confusing the consumer, then it is TM’s fault. You are putting the onus on Fuji to solve TM’s “mystery” tipping, and they already replied that they are not responsible for what TM does to their shafts.  

 

You could ask other shaft manufacturers the same question, and you are likely to get the same response.  Will you still be shocked then?

[Ed McNicholas]

i borrowed a taylormade black 7x that was tipped 1 inch to compare against my untipped and i can say that i prefer the untipped in a ventus black for me.  I play a ventus blue in the fw tipped one inch and they feel very similar which is good by me.  I think i am getting a few extra MPH off the driver untipped but you results may vary.  As a reference my driver ball speed is 170+ and i am not super aggressive. 

[Fujikura Golf]

20 hours ago, Puttersaurus Rex said:

Do you think Fujikura wants to get in the middle of a pissing match about TM tipping?  The response above is what you are going to get from them.

 

correct, and as one member said, based on how you can customize your upgrade shaft it may be a reality, we're just not 100%. So apologies for any confusion from our end.