"Lag" my first step for powerful swing progression

[MK7Golf21]

14 hours ago, chipa said:

 

As far as the swing advice while my technique is not perfect I develop a lot of easy clubhead speed, which some people might be interested in. Also, I am working on a 10 finger grip to fit my natural tendency and paying attention to my grip. When my technique is on I hit it far and straight - off the tee - I swing much easier with the irons for accuracy.

 

I mean I would probably take workout advice from you given your condition at 55 but I would lay off the swing advice for others if I were you. Any speed you are generating would be from your condition, not really proper swing mechanics.

[GreatStrike]

Sighted over the World Golf Championships-Dell Technologies Match Play event in Austin, Texas 

 

  

 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Nail_It

[chipa]

14 minutes ago, Redjeep83 said:

 

I mean I would probably take workout advice from you given your condition at 55 but I would lay off the swing advice for others if I were you. Any speed you are generating would be from your condition, not really proper swing mechanics.

 

I think lag is a pretty generic concept that's what I'm promoting, not my mechanics. At any rate from what I have read no amount of force will allow someone to swing in the 120's consistently without proper technique so apparently I have an efficient technique just not standard.

[GreatStrike]

Damn! Even Slugger White is following this thread! 

 

  

 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Nail_It

[sprcoop]

Rick Shiels got Eddie "The Beast" Hall (WR holder in dead lift) up to 107 at about the 7:30 mark with a 50" driver.  Chipa's swing looks like a touring pro compared to Eddie.

 

I believe it was the first time Eddie ever tried swinging a golf club.  I think muscles were somewhat making up for a lack of technique.

 

 

 

[chipa]

1 hour ago, Nail_It said:

Sighted over the World Golf Championships-Dell Technologies Match Play event in Austin, Texas 

 

  

 

 

 

 

I went to the Orange County Property Appraisers website(I'm a civil engineer I use it all the time) and measured my drive as best I could. It flew the bunker and plugged at the top of the hill past the bunkers. The outline of the fairway can be seen and my ball landed right past the slope that is shown by the slightly shaded area. It was actually a slight fade not straight as shown.

[GreatStrike]

2 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

I went to the Orange County Property Appraisers website(I'm a civil engineer I use it all the time) and measured my drive as best I could. It flew the bunker and plugged at the top of the hill past the bunkers. The outline of the fairway can be seen and my ball landed right past the slope that is shown by the slightly shaded area. It was actually a slight fade not straight as shown.

 

Cool! 

[GreatStrike]

  

[toc]

So weird man.

[chipa]

Ok here is my front lunge workout, 7 reps x 145#. Remember age is just a number and with a little sacrifice and discipline most can do it(barring health conditions of course). I weighed 180 before I started this routine and now I weigh 155. I attribute my strength to being thankful to God and loving my brother (and sister) like myself (try anyway).

[chipa]

Front lunges can also be done with just the bodyweight. I started with 25 lbs in each hand about 11 years ago and have slowly progressed. I added power cleans and front lunges 3 years ago. I started intermittent fasting and counting calories 4 years ago and that is how I was able to lose weight.

[Bocaji]

12 minutes ago, chipa said:

Ok here is my front lunge workout, 7 reps x 145#. Remember age is just a number and with a little sacrifice and discipline most can do it(barring health conditions of course). I weighed 180 before I started this routine and now I weigh 155. I attribute my strength to being thankful to God and loving my brother (and sister) like myself (try anyway).

Love it. I agree age is just a number, although I’m only 25, and have a vastly different build than you (tallish, long limbs and proportionally short torso). Because of my awkward build it took a long time for me to grow into my frame and with the help of intensive physical labor I was able to put on 15lb in 3 months (this was several years ago when I was 21-22). Anyway, since that job I had I didn’t really ‘do’ anything to keep the strength and I even lost quite a bit when I quit; although I kept some of the gains. Then last summer I decided to put a lot of work in. All body weight because I’m poor and frugal, calisthenics are my favorite. So I did that for several months, and went from 160 to 165, but I plateaued a bit and have since been on a break. Even though I was really happy and felt the best I ever had, a couple things frustrated me, 1 was I felt like I was plateauing (struggling to get more reps) and 2 I felt very ‘tight’ all over. Gained a lot of strength although I never measured. Anyway, I’m curious do you do anything for stretching? Yoga? As soon as I’m able to (after my collarbone is 90%) I’m gonna put the work back in. 
 

I’m also curious if you do other strength/tempo training? Personally I really like a slow and controlled contraction and eccentric load and deload (time under tension). I’m not sure what’s optimal for true strength (I’ve heard so many different things, not sure where I compartmentalized that particular piece of information), but time under tension feels really good to me as opposed to quick explosiveness but that’s probably gonna be my next training phase (after slow recover and progression back into it).

 

I hope I worded everything alright.

 

P.S.

my grandfather is in town, who is 84 years old, he’s not in the best shape but we both love golf (learning so much from him). He’s got a bad back, 2 ruptured discs I believe. And I was wondering if you had any pointers that you could share? As I understand it you had a back issue, but you seemed to have overcame this issue.

 

P.P.S.

I’m gonna say what’s already been said, because I’d like to. You are a huge inspiration to a lot of us here I think (not sure how you pulled it off honestly, pretty slick). I think it’s pretty common for people to be complacent in life nowadays and it’s really refreshing to see what your putting forward. So thanks, it’s working 🤟🏻

[GreatStrike]

chipa - You overlooked a previous post in which I asked whether you feel that you apply a significant side force to the shaft (handle/grip) in an attempt to drive the clubhead into the ball (which is a hitting protocol) as opposed to 'swinging' the golf club by pulling in-line on the clubshaft in the direction it is pointing (which is a swinging protocol). 

 

[johnrobison]

18 minutes ago, Bocaji said:

Love it. I agree age is just a number, although I’m only 25, and have a vastly different build than you (tallish, long limbs and proportionally short torso). Because of my awkward build it took a long time for me to grow into my frame and with the help of intensive physical labor I was able to put on 15lb in 3 months (this was several years ago when I was 21-22). Anyway, since that job I had I didn’t really ‘do’ anything to keep the strength and I even lost quite a bit when I quit; although I kept some of the gains. Then last summer I decided to put a lot of work in. All body weight because I’m poor and frugal, calisthenics are my favorite. So I did that for several months, and went from 160 to 165, but I plateaued a bit and have since been on a break. Even though I was really happy and felt the best I ever had, a couple things frustrated me, 1 was I felt like I was plateauing (struggling to get more reps) and 2 I felt very ‘tight’ all over. Gained a lot of strength although I never measured. Anyway, I’m curious do you do anything for stretching? Yoga? As soon as I’m able to (after my collarbone is 90%) I’m gonna put the work back in. 
 

I’m also curious if you do other strength/tempo training? Personally I really like a slow and controlled contraction and eccentric load and deload (time under tension). I’m not sure what’s optimal for true strength (I’ve heard so many different things, not sure where I compartmentalized that particular piece of information), but time under tension feels really good to me as opposed to quick explosiveness but that’s probably gonna be my next training phase (after slow recover and progression back into it).

 

I hope I worded everything alright.

 

P.S.

my grandfather is in town, who is 84 years old, he’s not in the best shape but we both love golf (learning so much from him). He’s got a bad back, 2 ruptured discs I believe. And I was wondering if you had any pointers that you could share? As I understand it you had a back issue, but you seemed to have overcame this issue.

 

P.P.S.

I’m gonna say what’s already been said, because I’d like to. You are a huge inspiration to a lot of us here I think (not sure how you pulled it off honestly, pretty slick). I think it’s pretty common for people to be complacent in life nowadays and it’s really refreshing to see what your putting forward. So thanks, it’s working 🤟🏻

You will definitely gain a lot of strength with tempo lifts. And if you're interested in that kind of training, check out German Body Composition Training, created by Charles Paloquin. I've done virtually all tempo training for years (I'm 53, FWIW) and am currently in a GBC phase which is really cool because you get the strength gain at the same time as fat burning without the catabolic effects of HIIT, etc...

Edited March 25, 2021 by johnrobison

[chipa]

10 minutes ago, Bocaji said:

Love it. I agree age is just a number, although I’m only 25, and have a vastly different build than you (tallish, long limbs and proportionally short torso). Because of my awkward build it took a long time for me to grow into my frame and with the help of intensive physical labor I was able to put on 15lb in 3 months (this was several years ago when I was 21-22). Anyway, since that job I had I didn’t really ‘do’ anything to keep the strength and I even lost quite a bit when I quit; although I kept some of the gains. Then last summer I decided to put a lot of work in. All body weight because I’m poor and frugal, calisthenics are my favorite. So I did that for several months, and went from 160 to 165, but I plateaued a bit and have since been on a break. Even though I was really happy and felt the best I ever had, a couple things frustrated me, 1 was I felt like I was plateauing (struggling to get more reps) and 2 I felt very ‘tight’ all over. Gained a lot of strength although I never measured. Anyway, I’m curious do you do anything for stretching? Yoga? As soon as I’m able to (after my collarbone is 90%) I’m gonna put the work back in. 
 

I’m also curious if you do other strength/tempo training? Personally I really like a slow and controlled contraction and eccentric load and deload (time under tension). I’m not sure what’s optimal for true strength (I’ve heard so many different things, not sure where I compartmentalized that particular piece of information), but time under tension feels really good to me as opposed to quick explosiveness but that’s probably gonna be my next training phase (after slow recover and progression back into it).

 

I hope I worded everything alright.

 

P.S.

my grandfather is in town, who is 84 years old, he’s not in the best shape but we both love golf (learning so much from him). He’s got a bad back, 2 ruptured discs I believe. And I was wondering if you had any pointers that you could share? As I understand it you had a back issue, but you seemed to have overcame this issue.

 

P.P.S.

I’m gonna say what’s already been said, because I’d like to. You are a huge inspiration to a lot of us here I think (not sure how you pulled it off honestly, pretty slick). I think it’s pretty common for people to be complacent in life nowadays and it’s really refreshing to see what your putting forward. So thanks, it’s working 🤟🏻

 

To answer paragraph #1 no I don't do a lot of stretching very minimal in fact. As far as plateauing and feeling tight I suspect that you have reached near the maximum of your workout routine/diet may allow. I have been working out since 1986 and am a contract engineer so I have spent a lot of time reading about the science of training. What I can tell you is in order to break plateaus the best thing to do is look at what professional athletes do - they weight/resistance train to gain muscle mass and strength. Here is a complete list of prerequisites:

 

1. resistance training no more than 2x a week for each muscle.

2. if calisthenics are done for any of the resistance training muscle groups then limit resistance training to once a week, increase calories and look for supplements that help recovery.

3. 5 mg creatine daily.

4. 1 gram of protein per kg of bodyweight.

5. 200 additional calories over the minimal daily needed to maintain bodyweight the day after resistance training only.

6. 1 or 2 days of complete rest a week - the body won't build muscle if it can't recover.

7. training with more than just bodyweight - weights or exercise bands needed.

8. heavy emphasis on the thighs, back and chest have shown to increase natural hormones which in turn will increase muscle mass.

 

Regarding your grandfather, I don't know what he is capable of physically but standing then lowering as much as possible into a squat or semi squat position has been great for my lower back strength and hip stability. I still have back pain so in addition to training I also ask God daily to help me and others with back pain and problems.

 

Regarding being positive thanks It is something that I strive for. Any other question feel free to ask me.

 

 

 

 

[chipa]

18 minutes ago, Nail_It said:

chipa - You overlooked a previous post in which I asked whether you feel that you apply a significant side force to the shaft (handle/grip) in an attempt to drive the clubhead into the ball (which is a hitting protocol) as opposed to 'swinging' the golf club by pulling in-line on the clubshaft in the direction it is pointing (which is a swinging protocol). 

 

 

Sorry I thought I indirectly replied but nonetheless I don't think I do but who knows.

[chipa]

2 hours ago, Bocaji said:

 

I’m also curious if you do other strength/tempo training? Personally I really like a slow and controlled contraction and eccentric load and deload (time under tension). I’m not sure what’s optimal for true strength (I’ve heard so many different things, not sure where I compartmentalized that particular piece of information), but time under tension feels really good to me as opposed to quick explosiveness but that’s probably gonna be my next training phase (after slow recover and progression back into it).

 

 

 

I missed this part sorry. I would say that I've tried just about everything - I did P90X for many years which has what you mentioned.

 

At the end of the day results in working out can be attributed to staying with a program sufficient time, which could take more than a year easily. That being the case I have learned motivation is very important.

 

Based on this observation and taking into account that I have limited time due to work I have come to look for workouts that are brief and sufficiently rigorous to get me results one day a week. P90X requires one to workout like 6 days a week, like crossfit, which in the long run is not sustainable for most people.

 

My workout routine varies between 45 min and an hour 4 times a week. Monday is front squats, Tuesday is arms and shoulders, Thursday is front lunges, and Friday is chest and back. The legs get two days of workout because they have enough mass to recover better than the other body parts, plus lunges don't work the same muscles as the squats, mostly quads, hamstrings and glutes whereas the squats are the thighs mostly.

 

 

[Bocaji]

2 hours ago, johnrobison said:

You will definitely gain a lot of strength with tempo lifts. And if you're interested in that kind of training, check out German Body Composition Training, created by Charles Paloquin. I've done virtually all tempo training for years (I'm 53, FWIW) and am currently in a GBC phase which is really cool because you get the strength gain at the same time as fat burning without the catabolic effects of HIIT, etc...

I’ll give that a looksie, thanks! Sounds really cool

[Bocaji]

2 hours ago, chipa said:

 

To answer paragraph #1 no I don't do a lot of stretching very minimal in fact. As far as plateauing and feeling tight I suspect that you have reached near the maximum of your workout routine/diet may allow. I have been working out since 1986 and am a contract engineer so I have spent a lot of time reading about the science of training. What I can tell you is in order to break plateaus the best thing to do is look at what professional athletes do - they weight/resistance train to gain muscle mass and strength. Here is a complete list of prerequisites:

 

1. resistance training no more than 2x a week for each muscle.

2. if calisthenics are done for any of the resistance training muscle groups then limit resistance training to once a week, increase calories and look for supplements that help recovery.

3. 5 mg creatine daily.

4. 1 gram of protein per kg of bodyweight.

5. 200 additional calories over the minimal daily needed to maintain bodyweight the day after resistance training only.

6. 1 or 2 days of complete rest a week - the body won't build muscle if it can't recover.

7. training with more than just bodyweight - weights or exercise bands needed.

8. heavy emphasis on the thighs, back and chest have shown to increase natural hormones which in turn will increase muscle mass.

 

Regarding your grandfather, I don't know what he is capable of physically but standing then lowering as much as possible into a squat or semi squat position has been great for my lower back strength and hip stability. I still have back pain so in addition to training I also ask God daily to help me and others with back pain and problems.

 

Regarding being positive thanks It is something that I strive for. Any other question feel free to ask me.

 

 

 

 

Thanks so much for taking the time to break all that down for me. I feel as though I’ve done a lot of research myself regarding training but suspect I may have only scratched the surface haha. 

 

Yeah I was all calisthenics (played with some bands as well) chest 2x, shoulders 2x, back 2x a week.  No significant leg work probably hampered me quite a bit... I was also barely able to get 2000 calories in. So I think you were right on the money on that, both because lack of appetite and it’s just not economic for me.

[miamistomp]

11 minutes ago, Bocaji said:

Thanks so much for taking the time to break all that down for me. I feel as though I’ve done a lot of research myself regarding training but suspect I may have only scratched the surface haha. 

 

Yeah I was all calisthenics (played with some bands as well) chest 2x, shoulders 2x, back 2x a week.  No significant leg work probably hampered me quite a bit... I was also barely able to get 2000 calories in. So I think you were right on the money on that, both because lack of appetite and it’s just not economic for me.

 Having been an Olympic style weightlifter for years and having trained with some of the best at York barbell and other top gyms , I can tell you that most top coaches believe that over training is not a problem

  The usual problem is under recovery ( yes , there is a difference )

   The best in the world train 6 days a week with the seventh day being active rest ( running , swimming etc)

    What they don't do is max out every day but work on tonnage ( similar to pitch count for a baseball pitcher )

[Bocaji]

1 hour ago, miamistomp said:

 Having been an Olympic style weightlifter for years and having trained with some of the best at York barbell and other top gyms , I can tell you that most top coaches believe that over training is not a problem

  The usual problem is under recovery ( yes , there is a difference )

   The best in the world train 6 days a week with the seventh day being active rest ( running , swimming etc)

    What they don't do is max out every day but work on tonnage ( similar to pitch count for a baseball pitcher )

I’ve heard of a type of training where instead of say working out 3 days a week at 70-90% max load, they do 6 days at 40% load. Is this the type of training you are referring to? 

[miamistomp]

A simplified version would be

 

you do a set of curls with 100 pounds for 5 reps

that gives you 500 pounds- if you do 4 work sets that is 2000 lbs

 

the next curl work out you can do 50 pounds for 10 reps x 4 sets and you have again reached your 2000 lb goal

[GreatStrike]

Rules Official Slugger White has declared chipa's golf ball to be out-of-round after a 311 yard drive.

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Nail_It

[Bocaji]

14 hours ago, miamistomp said:

A simplified version would be

 

you do a set of curls with 100 pounds for 5 reps

that gives you 500 pounds- if you do 4 work sets that is 2000 lbs

 

the next curl work out you can do 50 pounds for 10 reps x 4 sets and you have again reached your 2000 lb goal

Back when I worked on a fishing boat, there were days I was shoveling anywhere between 2000- 8000 pounds of fish..  I’m sure this is nothin compared to what most guys do regularly but for me, I was very skinny and got big quick

[chipa]

16 hours ago, miamistomp said:

 Having been an Olympic style weightlifter for years and having trained with some of the best at York barbell and other top gyms , I can tell you that most top coaches believe that over training is not a problem

  The usual problem is under recovery ( yes , there is a difference )

   The best in the world train 6 days a week with the seventh day being active rest ( running , swimming etc)

    What they don't do is max out every day but work on tonnage ( similar to pitch count for a baseball pitcher )

 

I hear what you are saying but I expect the best athletes in the world have many advantages that us normal people don't have. For one they may not even have a real job or probably just a token one so this is really just recovery time, as opposed to the majority of people that have to work that will drain one's energy. Second, these athletes are receiving the best supplements available, which most normal people could not afford, this makes a huge difference in terms of not only strength but recovery and energy. Third, these athletes have trainers that motivate them which is another huge advantage.

 

 

[GreatStrike]

How will chipa do at The Masters this year? 

 

  

[chipa]

29 minutes ago, Nail_It said:

How will chipa do at The Masters this year? 

 

  

 

I sure would like to see Rory win one!

[GreatStrike]

7 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

I sure would like to see Rory win one!

 

Yeah, if you don't win it this year - I'd like to see Rory win it too... 

[GreatStrike]

[GreatStrike]

 

  

 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Nail_It