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21 minutes ago, RTP419 said:

Everyone needs to settle down a bit here, I don't think the poster was trolling, if he was he wouldn't have posted a swing. I give him plenty of credit for actually posting a swing a swing as well. As some others have unkindly suggested, I think you might want to recheck your device as it seems it may be incorrectly calibrated. The "quickest" way to confirm would be to post your average driving distance. If you are swing 110+ and have a decent smash factor, launch and spin, you would be carrying it 275-295, total drive of 300-315. There seems to be a lot of moving parts in your swing and it appears it would be very difficult to crack 100mph. Just my two cents.

 

I already posted when I played in the Orlando area when my form was on I hit it 275 to 300. I Google mapped a drive at Eastwood GC at 311 yards of carry in 2004 or so, which calcs to 125+ mph clubhead speed, all things being equal.

"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

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1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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jesus, why are you guys making this poor dude post videos of himself lifting weights?  More importantly, why did I watch it?

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Just finished reading this thread. The main takeaway for me is that most of you clowns could learn a thing or two from Chipa. 

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4 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

I don't think your insight will help me hit it further or straighter, but thanks for sharing. You do have very interesting right hand mechanics

 

My advice is for people that have problems generating clubhead speed.

"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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My advice is for people that have problems generating clubhead speed.

 

How can you give advice on something you need help with yourself?  You don't swing at 114MPH.  Not even close.  I said 95-100, but I think that's optimistic.  Your probably closer to 90mph driver speed on average.  Nothing wrong with that either.  Just don't claim your swinging at PGA tour averages at 55 years old and 5'6" height.  

 

As for your figuring out clubhead speed from 2004 using google maps and obvious hazy memory.......well no one going to accept that either.  

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How can you give advice on something you need help with yourself?  You don't swing at 114MPH.  Not even close.  I said 95-100, but I think that's optimistic.  Your probably closer to 90mph driver speed on average.  Nothing wrong with that either.  Just don't claim your swinging at PGA tour averages at 55 years old and 5'6" height.  

 

As for your figuring out clubhead speed from 2004 using google maps and obvious hazy memory.......well no one going to accept that either.  

 

Ok buddy whatever you want to believe.

"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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You're locking the shaft to your left arm which is slowing down the club. Austin and Dunaway let the club shaft make a 180* pendulum around the radius and ulnar bones of their left arms. 

 

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Your leg action looks similar to Dunaway's. There is no rule that says you have to jump out of your shoes to hit the ball a long way. 

 

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2 minutes ago, wagolfer7 said:

 

How can you give advice on something you need help with yourself?  You don't swing at 114MPH.  Not even close.  I said 95-100, but I think that's optimistic.  Your probably closer to 90mph driver speed on average.  Nothing wrong with that either.  Just don't claim your swinging at PGA tour averages at 55 years old and 5'6" height.  

 

As for your figuring out clubhead speed from 2004 using google maps and obvious hazy memory.......well no one going to accept that either.  

Circa 2016 I once had 125 yards left on a 525 yard par 5. It was down hill and down wind, so well we will be conservative and say it should have been a 350 yard drive. There is no doubt in my mind my swing speed rivals that of Bryson Dechambeau 

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I realize this thread is about chipa's golf swing, but I'm also interested in hearing more about his heavy weight lifting, including power cleans and forward lunges. Are there any videos so we can evaluate, peruse, scrutinize and pore over the technique? 🏋️‍♂️

 

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There are two things you can learn by stopping your backswing at the top and checking the position of your hands: how many hands you have, and which one is wearing the glove.

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5 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

Circa 2016 I once had 125 yards left on a 525 yard par 5. It was down hill and down wind, so well we will be conservative and say it should have been a 350 yard drive. There is no doubt in my mind my swing speed rivals that of Bryson Dechambeau 

And there may or may not have been a path involved right?

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10 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

Nope, cart path was on the left, ball ended up on the right side of the fairway. Bryson speed, no other possible explanation 

 

Could a large bird have picked up your 194 yard [roll-out] drive -  thinking it was an egg - and carried the ball way down the fairway at around 350 to 400 yards where 99% of WRXers hit their butter-cut fade drives? 😉

 

 

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There are two things you can learn by stopping your backswing at the top and checking the position of your hands: how many hands you have, and which one is wearing the glove.

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26 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

You're locking the shaft to your left arm which is slowing down the club. Austin and Dunaway let the club shaft make a 180* pendulum around the radius and ulnar bones of their left arms. 

 

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Your leg action looks similar to Dunaway's. There is no rule that says you have to jump out of your shoes to hit the ball a long way. 

 

1620766388_Dunaway-CentrifugalBurst.gif.7b078e05bd93890eb06b1a7f8bc97272.gif 

 

I stated I didn't have my best form, I still believe it was in the low 100's.

"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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And there may or may not have been a path involved right?

 

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"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Nail_It said:

 

So, no roll out on his 350+ yard drive... It's getting better! 

 

I don't know who's drive we are talking about mine was only 311 yards of carry.

"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, chipa said:

 

I don't know who's drive we are talking about mine was only 311 yards of carry.

 

 

Haha, I was talking about Krt22's drive, but it doesn't really make any difference. Just having a bit of fun... :classic_smile: 

 

So, it was your 311 yard drive that was 'all carry' since it plugged. Are you sure it was your ball?  

 

I want to hear about your heavy weight lifting and see your technique. Got any videos? 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, chipa said:

 

Are you saying I'm not really feeling lag or that the right arm and hand mechanics aren't essential to a powerful swing?

Neither. I’m saying what you’re feeling is what works for you and your swing, so this discussion is rather pointless. 
 

I got away from chasing positions, and trying to „achieve lag“. It leads me to an un-athletic swing. If it works for you, great. 
 

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Could a large bird have picked up your 194 yard [roll-out] drive -  thinking it was an egg - and carried the ball way down the fairway at around 350 to 400 yards where 99% of WRXers hit their butter-cut fade drives? 😉

 

 

I checked with a friend who happens to be an ornithologist, no such local birds exist to carry out such an endeavor. It was a butter cut though, so you are right there

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I checked with a friend who happens to be an ornithologist, no such local birds exist to carry out such an endeavor. It was a butter cut though, so you are right there

 

Then it was one to behold and savor for sure. 👍 

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1 minute ago, Golfbeat said:

To create lag, you actually have to pull the handle. Most people pull it in the wrong direction though.

 

Golfbeat - Don't get me started on how to pull on the handle. Not here! 

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3 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

There is a small chance it was a fox, but I saw no foxes on that. 

 

What percentage would you give the 'small chance'? 

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8 minutes ago, Krt22 said:

The same chance the OP swung it 125+ in 2004

 

Hahaha! Oh Lordy! 656211b6-80ef612ff0a40fb48bb38a93b4fa9afe044ab4fa

 

 

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2 hours ago, wagolfer7 said:

Not to mention you have your hands so far split apart, that you are killing leverage.

I'm no expert, but I knew a guy 30 years ago that was scratch and could hit the hell out of a golf ball with a split grip. He was a D1 college baseball player and he said it felt more natural to him.

 

I don't know what chipa's speed is but it's not a terrible swing at all...maybe falls a little off balance but I'm guessing he moves it out there pretty good.

 

Like every golfer, I'd love to get more distance. I keep thinking I could get my 8 index down to a 5 by hitting one or two fewer clubs on the approach shots...big difference between hitting a 6 or 8 iron...

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Neither. I’m saying what you’re feeling is what works for you and your swing, so this discussion is rather pointless. 
 

I got away from chasing positions, and trying to „achieve lag“. It leads me to an un-athletic swing. If it works for you, great. 
 

 

I wasn't talking about positions, just the feel of lag.

"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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There is a small chance it was a fox, but I saw no foxes on that. 

Worms working as a team can move the ball a lot.  Ask Greg Norman. And you won’t see them.   

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Hahaha! Oh Lordy! 656211b6-80ef612ff0a40fb48bb38a93b4fa9afe044ab4fa

 

 

 

Our local club pro measured 110 mph on my radar. His dad was the club pro at the same gc and has been playing since he was a child.

"Shirtsleeve" swing technique:

1. Setup: Elbows bent forearms pressed together against shaft slightly forward of center with "Hogan" "active/flexed" leg tension left foot turned out slightly and the right leg slightly farther to the right - weight mostly on balls of feet butt of left hands sits on the top of the grip with very light grip.

2. Swing - W/o disturbing weight distribution of legs and feet lower hands while doing a forward press "swing trigger" then the left upper arm takes over on the backswing, it needs to go out in front of the body then back in front of the chest as the hands trace down initially then up to over the right shoulder "Torres". The goal is to not disturb the pressure of the feet during the initial takeaway.

 

Notes:

1. Only swing thought after swing trigger - extend left arm at shirt sleeve when reaching left hand over right shoulder "Shirtsleeve technique".

2. The upper left arm move "Shirtsleeve technique" can be practiced independently without a club, sitting down for instance

3. The correct feet tension can be felt by doing very short hops on the balls of the feet then holding the same feeling of pressure on the front of the feet and then taking three practice swings with the grip very loose in order to not disturb the same pressure on the feet and on the 3rd swing actively do the "Shirtsleeve" move. From there the swing should be done within a matter of seconds to not lose the feel of the legs resisting, this way this is not a learned technique as much as it is a setup technique.

 

 

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