Anyone still game the 620CB?

[COL_B]

I just picked up a set for a really good price. I wasn't looking for them, but was hunting for some 716 or 718 CB with the PX LZ 6.0 shafts. I like the 718 CBs I am playing, but the 8i is torched, and I think the 6.5 might be a little much, and want to try softer. I have the 3i and 4i from another set (I reshafted the 5-PW in a failed graphite experiment and sold them on), and think the 6.0 flex better suits my swing.

 

The 716s are still bringing decent money if the chrome is intact, and the PX LZ shafts are tough to find used.

 

But the 620s were too good a deal to pass up -- maybe because people who want CBs prefer the 716-718, and the T100 dominates the rest of the Titleist "players club" market?

 

I have some T100, but I don't like them as much as the CBs. They generate less spin than the 718 CB, and I prefer the higher spin to the extra 5 yards of carry + roll out that tends to put me off the back. I am hoping the single metal forging results in less "click" than the 718, and is a fair trade for the lack of tungsten.

 

So are the 620s a dog that Titleist nerfed to create separation for the T100? They seem to have disappeared from the market.

Edited June 14, 2021 by COL_B

[lefthack]

I've been looking at the 6 series MB's because I have issues. I have not looked hard at the CB's but the 620 looks good, I think.

[Pepperturbo]

I have both 620 MB and 602 CB sets, but blended set in the bag.  Both are really gratifying to strike well.  I hit some damn good shots during yesterdays round, finished with 76.

 

When 716CB's were introduced, I bought 2-PW, played them 2.5yrs till buying 620s.  Titleist 620CB irons were purposely designed to blend with 620MBs, most specs are identical as 620 MB, so they tend to be more challenging to hit compared to my 716CB.  And 718CB & MB were IMO made easier to hit than 716 series.  

 

FYI - 620 series came first.  T-series 100 came later as a more forgiving head.  Many tour guys playing 620 MB or 620 CB series opt for  T100 3 or 4i in the bag.

[COL_B]

According to this website, the PGA top 100 bag count for Titleist looks like this:

 

T100: 12

620MB: 7

620CB: 4

718CB: 3

718MB: 2

718AP2: 2

T-MB: 2

 

Then some random older irons with 1 each.

 

So SOME pros are playing the 620.

 

https://golfingfocus.com/what-irons-do-the-pros-use-top-100-pga-tour-player-guide-2021/

[Red4282]

I have 5-w 620 cbs and they arent going anywhere. They have been fantastic. They really play like a blade honestly. Until you get to the 4 iron, where there is tungsten help. 

[Pepperturbo]

52 minutes ago, COL_B said:

According to this website, the PGA top 100 bag count for Titleist looks like this:

 

T100: 12

620MB: 7

620CB: 4

718CB: 3

718MB: 2

718AP2: 2

T-MB: 2

 

Then some random older irons with 1 each.

 

So SOME pros are playing the 620.

 

https://golfingfocus.com/what-irons-do-the-pros-use-top-100-pga-tour-player-guide-2021/

Thanks. Good info. 

 

OEM marketing/advertising budgets and marketing plan determines how much equipment contracts an OEM supports.  There are Charter/Marketing reasons why Titleist doesn't have as many users OA on tour as, say, TM or Callaway, which are known as retail merchandisers and huge player stables. 

 

Those numbers are rather balanced, except for top of the T100 which doesn't surprise me.  IMO T-Series was made to replace the popular AP1, AP2, AP3 line.  MB and CB irons have always had limited number of users.  If you're good enough for MBs, use them, next best is CBs.

 

Titleist at Palmetto event:

77% Golf Ball, Nearest Competitor 12%

35% Driver, Nearest Competitor 22%

52% Wedge, Nearest Competitor 11%

31% Iron, Nearest Competitor 15%

33% Hybrid, Nearest Competitor 24%

50% Utility Iron, Nearest Competitor 17%

40% Putter, Nearest Competitor 36%

 

I'd say they are doing rather good.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Pepperturbo

[COL_B]

55 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

Thanks. Good info. 

 

OEM marketing/advertising budgets and marketing plan determines how many equipment contracts and OEM supports.  There are Charter/Marketing reasons why Titleist doesn't have as many users OA on tour as, say, TM or Callaway, which are known as retail merchandisers and huge player stables. 

 

Those numbers are rather balanced, except for top of the T100 which doesn't surprise me.  IMO T-Series was made to replace the popular AP1, AP2, AP3 line.  MB and CB irons have always had limited number of users.  If you're good enough for MBs, use them, next best is CBs.

 

Titleist at Palmetto event:

77% Golf Ball, Nearest Competitor 12%

35% Driver, Nearest Competitor 22%

52% Wedge, Nearest Competitor 11%

31% Iron, Nearest Competitor 15%

33% Hybrid, Nearest Competitor 24%

50% Utility Iron, Nearest Competitor 17%

40% Putter, Nearest Competitor 36%

 

I'd say they are doing rather good.

I'm surprised the Driver numbers are that high.

 

The TSi line has been a huge win for Titleist.

[lefthack]

1 hour ago, Pepperturbo said:

Thanks. Good info. 

 

OEM marketing/advertising budgets and marketing plan determines how much equipment contracts an OEM supports.  There are Charter/Marketing reasons why Titleist doesn't have as many users OA on tour as, say, TM or Callaway, which are known as retail merchandisers and huge player stables. 

 

Those numbers are rather balanced, except for top of the T100 which doesn't surprise me.  IMO T-Series was made to replace the popular AP1, AP2, AP3 line.  MB and CB irons have always had limited number of users.  If you're good enough for MBs, use them, next best is CBs.

 

Titleist at Palmetto event:

77% Golf Ball, Nearest Competitor 12%

35% Driver, Nearest Competitor 22%

52% Wedge, Nearest Competitor 11%

31% Iron, Nearest Competitor 15%

33% Hybrid, Nearest Competitor 24%

50% Utility Iron, Nearest Competitor 17%

40% Putter, Nearest Competitor 36%

 

I'd say they are doing rather good.

 

To me it means WAY more to see what the free agents play, or what non contract clubs they use (I think Ping requires 10 Ping clubs on contract or something).

 

Good pros can play good with anything, but playing and winning at the top level does at least speak to the equipment.

[btyh]

4 hours ago, Pepperturbo said:

I have both 620 MB and 602 CB sets, but blended set in the bag.  Both are really gratifying to strike well.  I hit some damn good shots during yesterdays round, finished with 76.

 

When 716CB's were introduced, I bought 2-PW, played them 2.5yrs till buying 620s.  Titleist 620CB irons were purposely designed to blend with 620MBs, most specs are identical as 620 MB, so they tend to be more challenging to hit compared to my 716CB.  And 718CB & MB were IMO made easier to hit than 716 series.  

 

FYI - 620 series came first.  T-series 100 came later as a more forgiving head.  Many tour guys playing 620 MB or 620 CB series opt for  T100 3 or 4i in the bag.

Sounds legit. I still have 716cbs and don't plan to change since they work Great for me. I really like the tungsten in the longer irons. Speaking of that the 716cbs and the 716ap2 were very spot on with looks at address, feel and numbers. Liked the look of the CBS so went that direction. Makes alot of since for the 620cb to be more player bias so it can show more improvements with the t100. Since the 716 718 CBS and AP2S were so similar besides the cavity design. 

[BCULAW]

I’ve got them (3-p) and have really enjoyed them. I don’t find them to excel in any particular category except maybe turf interaction, but they are really solid performers. A little more agile than the 716/718CBs (which I also owned). More akin to a blade than most of the current player CBs on the market. If you like a small profile CB, these are really good. 

[Tommyboi95]

I really enjoyed the 620 mb/cb combo I gamed last year I just prefer to have as much help as I can get barring the looks of course. But I will say they did have the best turf interaction which helped a ton playing out in West Texas because the ground was so firm 

[MerryTex]

Just picked up a set. In love. These have to be up in my top 3 ever. I’ve gamed some great sets in the past but these are the real deal. 
I did have the T100 irons in but these are better in terms of feel and performance. 

Edited June 17, 2021 by MerryTex
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[naws-golfer]

I never got along with the ap2/t100 offering. I demod all the mizuno and the 620 cb fet amd looked

better. They’re a classic club that will be relevant for a long time.

[iknowbagu]

The 620CB might be the most underrated iron Titleist has put out in the last 20 years.  I've got an CB/MB blend set and they aren't going anywhere for a long, long time.

[Pepperturbo]

3 minutes ago, iknowbagu said:

The 620CB might be the most underrated iron Titleist has put out in the last 20 years. 

That may be true.  I can see why they don't get the attention.  Titleist seldom advertises either MB or CB series, they didn't 718 or 716 models either.  Some years back I played 670 MBs; they got no attention.  Only 20 tour guys had those beasts in the bag, Ernie Els was one.  Contrary to the prevailing skill belief about tour players, a lot of them want easy forgiving clubs cause they are not the best ball strikers.

 

Anyway, Titleist 620 CBs were purposely designed to blend with 620 MBs.  Specs are nearly the same, including the progressive heel to toe lengths, offset is different.  And only 620 CB 3 & 4 iron has tungsten in heel and toe, but less tungsten than 716 CBs.  Almost makes sense, those are irons you'd think would be blended with 620 MBs.  But that's not the case, T100 3-4 irons are the most common replacements with MBs.  Go figure...

 

Current 620 CBs are IMO more challenging to strike well than predecessors 718 or 716 CBs.  I played 716CBs for some time, tested 718CBs and MBs, and decided not to switch.  Yes, 718 series were purposely made more forgiving, but forgiving is not an attraction for me.  When I compare 620 MBs to CBs, striking an MB iron sweet is simply far more gratifying, down to the tingle in this ole mans toes. 😛 

 

[iknowbagu]

10 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

That may be true.  I can see why they don't get the attention.  Titleist seldom advertises either MB or CB series, they didn't 718 or 716 models either. 

 

I think it boils down the CB (every generation) is for a very small, niche market, and Titleist knows that.  The T-series (and AP line before that) has an option for every level of golfer, so most will gravitate there.  Even the MB has a bigger demographic than the CB.  With the MB, you get people who can play them, people who think they can play them, and people who want other people to think they can play them.  The CB will really only appeal to players who can probably also play the MB but who are lucid enough to know they need that *tiny* bit of extra room for error.  Titleist speccing them out to be blendable was incredibly smart and one of the reasons that Titleist is, well, Titleist.

[Fairway14]

Bumping an old thread because I've wondered why the Titleist CB line is not more popular ? There are lots of relevant , accurate answers within this thread, but I did not read comments pertaining to head size. Specifically, I think for some players the relatively small CB head size is easier to consistently square at impact than the mid size AP/T100 head size.