Bushnell Launch Pro Device with Foresight

[ENedo]

1 hour ago, outgolfing said:

Just unboxed my BLP tonight and thought I got away with something when the install seemed to be seamless.  Software to the computer, registration, and everything hooked up correctly and displaying on computer and projector.  Put the first ball down, immediately detected it, locked on....Swing..."multiple balls detected" no data.  For the next 3 hours I read and tried different fixes; shoes, lighting, updated software, ball position, etc.  No dice.  The unit has not read a single shot, does the same thing every time.  I've also tried different balls, clubs, shoes, wide stance, close stance, standing over the unit and smacking the ball with the back of the club to take shoes and myself out of it...nothing different.  The only difference detected was that once I did the firmware update after it would detect the ball it would cycle to the data pages on the unit, before it would stay on the hitting area screen.  

Anyone had an experience like this yet and if so what was your fix?  Is my BLP a paperweight?

Sounds like you did a lot of basic troubleshooting but check that it’s set Right Hand (or Left if that’s your thing).

 

There have been a lot of people who had it switch after updating, granted the ones referenced were all GC3. Having it set to Left Hand when you’re actually right handed would cause errors extremely similar to what you’re describing. 

[kiddoc]

11 hours ago, outgolfing said:

Just unboxed my BLP tonight and thought I got away with something when the install seemed to be seamless.  Software to the computer, registration, and everything hooked up correctly and displaying on computer and projector.  Put the first ball down, immediately detected it, locked on....Swing..."multiple balls detected" no data.  For the next 3 hours I read and tried different fixes; shoes, lighting, updated software, ball position, etc.  No dice.  The unit has not read a single shot, does the same thing every time.  I've also tried different balls, clubs, shoes, wide stance, close stance, standing over the unit and smacking the ball with the back of the club to take shoes and myself out of it...nothing different.  The only difference detected was that once I did the firmware update after it would detect the ball it would cycle to the data pages on the unit, before it would stay on the hitting area screen.  

Anyone had an experience like this yet and if so what was your fix?  Is my BLP a paperweight?

I would start with your hitting area.

 

Is the device at the same height of the hitting area?

 

Most common reason for your situation I believe  is the mat is moving with the strike and the camera can’t isolate the ball 

[outgolfing]

12 hours ago, ENedo said:

Sounds like you did a lot of basic troubleshooting but check that it’s set Right Hand (or Left if that’s your thing).

 

There have been a lot of people who had it switch after updating, granted the ones referenced were all GC3. Having it set to Left Hand when you’re actually right handed would cause errors extremely similar to what you’re describing. 

thank you sir!  You know my brand of stupid.  I’m up and running 40 shots in with no misses.  Many thanks again. 

[Woodridge]

On 1/14/2024 at 12:13 PM, outgolfing said:

thank you sir!  You know my brand of stupid.  I’m up and running 40 shots in with no misses.  Many thanks again. 

I had the same issue and customer service helped me out. It had something to do with the most recent firmware update. Just know that you're not the only one.

[ChadL]

 

I've searched through this thread, but can't find what I'm looking for.  Also tried a google such but no luck.  How do I add data "tiles" to the left of the screen? I want to be able to see Peak Height, but I can't find where I can add it.  I can see peak height in the table view, but I want to be able to see it like I can ball speed, carry, etc like in the picture above.

 

Thank you,

 

Chad

[collje26]

Anyone notice that the GC3 reads the path more in to out? I came across this and was curious if it’s just a foresight vs trackman thing or if it’s even a GC3 vs GCQuad?

Edited January 27 by collje26

[No_Ugos]

On 1/26/2024 at 5:28 PM, collje26 said:

Anyone notice that the GC3 reads the path more in to out? I came across this and was curious if it’s just a foresight vs trackman thing or if it’s even a GC3 vs GCQuad?

This information is false. Club speeds on TM and the BLP/GC3 are exactly the same (within a few decimal points) while the Quad will read a little faster. The reason club speed is higher on Quad then on TM is all about the dots. On the quad, you have three dots on the toe and one on the heel. Dots on the toe go through the hitting area faster than in the middle (like BLPG/C3) or the heel. The TM measures the center of mass, and as such the numbers are closer to the BLP/GC3. 
 

If you put a dot closer to the toe on the BLP/GC3, you will get faster club readings and worse efficiency. If you go closer to the heel, you’ll get slower speeds but better efficiency, as the ball speed isn’t changed by dot location so it remains constant. 
 

This lead to the myth that the foresight has a max efficiency of 1.45, which is not true in the least. 
 

As BLP/GC3 owners, we may not get all the club face data the quad users get, but our speed and efficiency numbers are more accurate than that of the quad owners. 

[collje26]

6 minutes ago, No_Ugos said:

This information is false. Club speeds on TM and the BLP/GC3 are exactly the same (within a few decimal points) while the Quad will read a little faster. The reason club speed is higher on Quad then on TM is all about the dots. On the quad, you have three dots on the toe and one on the heel. Dots on the toe go through the hitting area faster than in the middle (like BLPG/C3) or the heel. The TM measures the center of mass, and as such the numbers are closer to the BLP/GC3. 
 

If you put a dot closer to the toe on the BLP/GC3, you will get faster club readings and worse efficiency. If you go closer to the heel, you’ll get slower speeds but better efficiency, as the ball speed isn’t changed by dot location so it remains constant. 
 

This lead to the myth that the foresight has a max efficiency of 1.45, which is not true in the least. 
 

As BLP/GC3 owners, we may not get all the club face data the quad users get, but our speed and efficiency numbers are more accurate than that of the quad owners. 

I wasn't referencing speed or efficiency but more the club path. I have the dot in the center for the GC3 as well as the GC3 calibrated with the alignment stick but the difference between club path between TM and foresight are 2-3 degrees off, just trying to get clarification.

[secfincorp]

4 minutes ago, collje26 said:

I wasn't referencing speed or efficiency but more the club path. I have the dot in the center for the GC3 as well as the GC3 calibrated with the alignment stick but the difference between club path between TM and foresight are 2-3 degrees off, just trying to get clarification.

This is a good point and question. I would like to know as well I sometimes get unbelievably high in to out numbers and would love to know if they are in fact 1-2 degrees more than actual. I am trying to get to as neutral as possible. 

[collje26]

3 minutes ago, secfincorp said:

This is a good point and question. I would like to know as well I sometimes get unbelievably high in to out numbers and would love to know if they are in fact 1-2 degrees more than actual. I am trying to get to as neutral as possible. 

I am in the exact same boat. I'm trying to get less than 2 degrees in to out and on trackman I was around 0 or even across it a bit while the GC3 and GCQuad was 2 degrees in to out.

[secfincorp]

I wonder how we find out? 

[No_Ugos]

I can’t ever line up my unit consistently. Am I supposed to aim the stick at the bottom center of my screen/target, or the flag/centerline on the screen?

 

I have my unit further to the right so I have comfortable room for my driver swing as opposed to having the hitting zone dead center, and I don’t like the look of the offset option on my screen, so I keep it in the middle. 

[mgoblue83]

3 hours ago, collje26 said:

I wasn't referencing speed or efficiency but more the club path. I have the dot in the center for the GC3 as well as the GC3 calibrated with the alignment stick but the difference between club path between TM and foresight are 2-3 degrees off, just trying to get clarification.

 

 

Unfortunately, I don't believe the path numbers on the GC3/BLP are accurate enough to put any faith in IF we can assume the ball data is accurate.

 

I constantly see path numbers that are impossible based on the ball flight. Like almost every shot doesn't really make sense if you think about it. 

 

Examples:

Ball starts left and fades back to target and the BLP will show 3 degree in to out swing path.

 

or

 

Ball starts right and draws back to target and BLP will show 5 degrees out to in path.

 

These are extremes but if you try to match up the ball flight with the path it almost never makes any sense.

[collje26]

This would be an example of what it looks like to me. My swing feels pretty neutral or even across it but the GC3 has it in to out. Disclaimer I’m not a tour pro, just a weekend hack. 

 

[jammer13]

Good discussion.  It would have been interesting the see the horizontal launch angle, but those numbers look pretty good to me.  I sometimes get up to 7-8 degrees in-to-out club path with a similar angle of attack(not great in my opinion but I do play a 5-10 yard draw).  The one thing I would say is with that AoA, your "swing direction" is probably something like -1 to -2 degrees (so slightly out-in).  I have a spreadsheet that calculates swing direction from AoA and Club Path and the formula I use (can't remember where I got it at the moment) is:

 

SD=CP+AoA*tan(90-SP)

where,

SD = Swing Direction

CP=Club Path

AoA=Angle of Attack

SP=Shaft Plane (~4 degrees less than lie angle)

[CardsChamps11]

This topic is very timely as I have been questioning the same thing on my BLP. Path is the one thing I have been focused on. I regularly get anywhere from 3-5* i/o which I feel is too much. However, I just purchased a mevo+ to check face numbers. When I just these together, I will like up the mevo and the BLP alignment stick to that exact same spot in my sim and get different numbers and the BLP is always more i/o by about 1-2*. I have no idea what to trust. 

Edited February 1 by CardsChamps11

[collje26]

I think one thing I’ve going to tinker around with is setting up my GC3 based on where I want the ball to start vs at a target if that makes sense. I was just hitting on a Quad and it was the same reading as my GC3 for path and everything else. 

[CSagan]

Yeah the BLP is adding the angle of attack to the swing direction and giving you club path. So if you hit a PW and hit 6 down on it that shifts path 6 to the right. So if its 6 in to out then thats a neutral swing direction. You probably notice with driver it isn't as extreme. If you hit up 2 it shifts path 2 to the left so the same neutral swing direction would shot 2 degree out to in path on BLP.

[secfincorp]

2 hours ago, CSagan said:

Yeah the BLP is adding the angle of attack to the swing direction and giving you club path. So if you hit a PW and hit 6 down on it that shifts path 6 to the right. So if its 6 in to out then thats a neutral swing direction. You probably notice with driver it isn't as extreme. If you hit up 2 it shifts path 2 to the left so the same neutral swing direction would shot 2 degree out to in path on BLP.

how do you know this? did they tell you that or have you figured that out? great info and thanks that makes way more sense, i dont understand why the unit does that. THANKS

[CSagan]

1 hour ago, secfincorp said:

how do you know this? did they tell you that or have you figured that out? great info and thanks that makes way more sense, i dont understand why the unit does that. THANKS

I know my numbers on track man and it measures both swing direction and club path. You can look up D plane on YouTube for more explanations, also maybe the stack n tilt grid explanation..it can you help you control path and shot shape when you have a better understanding. 

Of course I could be wrong on all of this lol, it’s just my conclusion from what I observe. 

 

 

[No_Ugos]

1 hour ago, CSagan said:

I know my numbers on track man and it measures both swing direction and club path. You can look up D plane on YouTube for more explanations, also maybe the stack n tilt grid explanation..it can you help you control path and shot shape when you have a better understanding. 

Of course I could be wrong on all of this lol, it’s just my conclusion from what I observe. 

 

 

It tends to show my path very I/O on wedges, and O/I on driver (unless I REALLY swing extremely I/O with my driver) so the AoA theory seems plausible. 

[CardsChamps11]

I was able to test the BLP vs Mevo+ last night and found that the BLP was consistently 1.5-2* more i/o than the Mevo+. The Mevo+ did have random reads that were close to the BLP but I call those outliers. Hard to know which one to trust. 

[EagleGSU]

Yeah the path numbers for my BLP have always been more in to out than on trackman. Which worries me as someone else pointed out, which one has better path readings to practice with? Should I be striving for a 5 degree in to out with BLP to equal a neutral path in reality? 

 

It's one of the hardest deciding factor between me going with a GC Quad or Trackman set up in the future. Although I hear on heel strikes and off center hits the trackman gets all kinds of wacky spin axis readings. Like a heel fade, showing up as a hook etc. Which idk how you're supposed to play accurate sim golf when your ball is hooking instead of fading like it should in reality..That seems like a bigger deal than path numbers being different.

Edited February 1 by EagleGSU

[kiddoc]

4 hours ago, EagleGSU said:

Yeah the path numbers for my BLP have always been more in to out than on trackman. Which worries me as someone else pointed out, which one has better path readings to practice with? Should I be striving for a 5 degree in to out with BLP to equal a neutral path in reality? 

 

 

No

Absolutely, no

[jammer13]

10 hours ago, No_Ugos said:

It tends to show my path very I/O on wedges, and O/I on driver (unless I REALLY swing extremely I/O with my driver) so the AoA theory seems plausible. 

That is as expected.  This article may help understand why this happens.

[collje26]

It certainly is an interesting situation between trackman and foresight. The path isnt specific to the bushnell or gc3 I see the same thing on Quad as well. I’d be curious what the tour pros are at path wise. 

[mgoblue83]

1 hour ago, collje26 said:

It certainly is an interesting situation between trackman and foresight. The path isnt specific to the bushnell or gc3 I see the same thing on Quad as well. I’d be curious what the tour pros are at path wise. 

 

My bigger concern is that a lot (most?) of the path numbers do not match the ball flight at all.

 

I have a lot of experience with Trackman and fully understand D-Plane. The path numbers on GC3/BLP just don't make sense on most shots.

[collje26]

6 minutes ago, mgoblue83 said:

 

My bigger concern is that a lot (most?) of the path numbers do not match the ball flight at all.

 

I have a lot of experience with Trackman and fully understand D-Plane. The path numbers on GC3/BLP just don't make sense on most shots.

I'd try calibrating it or resetting it. I haven't had any issues like that with it outdoors in the real world. The only time I've had that happen has been when it's been a huge crosswind.

[tjhanch]

finally gonna break down and get a laptop. I’ve found the two below, but also as I’ve previously mentioned know nothing about PCs. Is the 4070 graphics card good enough for 4K?  Any post see any other issues with the below?
 

ASUS TUF

 

Costco

 

Thanks in advance. 

[eedub]

someone said this on a reddit thread and it made a lot of sense:

"TM takes club measurements at full ball compression, while Foresight does it at initial ball contact, so on Foresight clubspeed will be slightly higher and path/AoA slightly less neutral (with irons, more neutral with driver) than TM"