*Graphite Design Lovers Anonymous* Tour AD UB vs IZ vs XC and NOW vs TP! ...and HD....and VR

[phizzy30]

20 hours ago, golfnerd91 said:

I recently purchased a few HDs and the shafts felt a bit lighter than I'm typically used to. For those who have played the shaft in Driver and or Woods what did you notice regarding swingweigh? Did it balance more toward the butt or tip of the club?

Had the HD in driver and did notice a 1 pt swing weight difference now that you mentioned it.  I had to add some lead to the sole as a result. 

[golfnerd91]

3 hours ago, absoludicrous said:

 

I’m playing a TM M3 3HL 17° with my AD HD 7S. I’m playing it at 43.5”. I was previously using a Fuji Atmos Tour Spec Blue 7S also at 43.5”. The Fuji weighs around 125 grams (including TM adapter and grip) and the HD was around 121 grams (also with the TM adapter and same grip). 

 

I originally cut down the Fuji 7S shaft quite a bit, and it measured out to D0.5. The head came pretty light. I added some lead tape and got it up to D3 and it felt comfortable. I bought the HD later and after cutting it down to the same length, it also measured at D3. It does seem to be lighter by 4 grams, but the swingweight seems to be similar.

New fear unlocked😂

 

This is what worries me. If the head did come to spec and the shaft length/weight is within TM’s spec for the M3, the club shouldn’t play 4 swing points lighter. In fact with your length and total weight of the shaft with grip should play 1/2-1 swingweight points higher.

 

That is unless your head weight was lighter than ~217 grams (around 209 grams) which would mean the original 29 gram sliding weight was replaced for a lighter ~17-21 gram weight. (I won’t have this problem though as all my head weights are stock.)

 

Anyway looks like I’ll have to account for roughly 1-2 grams of weight, which is pretty negligible as far as swing weight is concerned.

 

 

[bvanlieu]

20 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Just for transparency Ive done a bit of cheating on my GD bros.

 

20 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

I did pickup a Tensei 1K Red and that lasted only 2 days last week. The UB went back in the bag.

 

I also have a Ventus Black 7 and 7W build coming from that AI Smoke deal TGW had to make a 'Nelly Korda' 7 wood setup to see how I like it against my current trusty Mavrik 5 wood with UB 8. Two vastly different shafts (like the 1K Red was) but we'll see. 

 

 

 

Was wondering when the Ventus mafia would drag you in 😛

 

 

[absoludicrous]

7 hours ago, golfnerd91 said:

New fear unlocked😂

 

This is what worries me. If the head did come to spec and the shaft length/weight is within TM’s spec for the M3, the club shouldn’t play 4 swing points lighter. In fact with your length and total weight of the shaft with grip should play 1/2-1 swingweight points higher.

 

That is unless your head weight was lighter than ~217 grams (around 209 grams) which would mean the original 29 gram sliding weight was replaced for a lighter ~17-21 gram weight. (I won’t have this problem though as all my head weights are stock.)

 

Anyway looks like I’ll have to account for roughly 1-2 grams of weight, which is pretty negligible as far as swing weight is concerned.

 

 

Sorry, I should’ve mentioned I got this M3 off eBay as a tour issue head, not retail. I looked at my old notes and it weighed in at 209 grams before I added the lead tape. 
 

I started out with my Fuji shaft and once I cut it down, I realized how light this head was. The HD wasn’t too much different, but it is lighter for sure. 

[golfnerd91]

20 minutes ago, absoludicrous said:

Sorry, I should’ve mentioned I got this M3 off eBay as a tour issue head, not retail. I looked at my old notes and it weighed in at 209 grams before I added the lead tape. 
 

I started out with my Fuji shaft and once I cut it down, I realized how light this head was. The HD wasn’t too much different, but it is lighter for sure. 

No worries.😂

 

But you can see the math I typically do when it comes to swing weight which is crazy.

[larciel]

after getting rid of almost all Tour AD shafts, my inventory is about 15 shafts again.

 

anyone tried VF yet?

[third-times-a-charm]

42 minutes ago, larciel said:

after getting rid of almost all Tour AD shafts, my inventory is about 15 shafts again.

 

anyone tried VF yet?

No but I've reached the end of the T AD tunnel and the VF is the only shaft I havent hit so of course I have two in my watch list on ebay.

[third-times-a-charm]

Side note on the AD VF, looks like Amy Yang just put it in the bag over her AD UB that she's had for over a year or so. Same Paradym TD head.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6r5QkENjPK/

[larciel]

1 hour ago, third-times-a-charm said:

No but I've reached the end of the T AD tunnel and the VF is the only shaft I havent hit so of course I have two in my watch list on ebay.

what's your spec? 

[third-times-a-charm]

7 minutes ago, larciel said:

what's your spec? 

Prob a 6S 

[phizzy30]

7 hours ago, larciel said:

after getting rid of almost all Tour AD shafts, my inventory is about 15 shafts again.

 

anyone tried VF yet?

I have the VF in my driver.  What do you want to know about it? 

[phizzy30]

6 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Side note on the AD VF, looks like Amy Yang just put it in the bag over her AD UB that she's had for over a year or so. Same Paradym TD head.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6r5QkENjPK/

Kitayama also has the proto version that he switched over from the UB as well. 

[larciel]

1 hour ago, phizzy30 said:

I have the VF in my driver.  What do you want to know about it? 

Compare it with DI, IZ, TP, HD. Whichever ones you had experience with?

Mainly interested in firmness and flight and if they are noticeable. 

 

Thanks!

[phizzy30]

16 hours ago, larciel said:

Compare it with DI, IZ, TP, HD. Whichever ones you had experience with?

Mainly interested in firmness and flight and if they are noticeable. 

 

Thanks!

I've had experience with all the shafts you've listed, lol.  Had the HD for a minute and DI for many years.  Extensive testing with the other two.  VF launches the lowest outta all of them.  It's also the most linear and firm, IMO.  DI and IZ both launch the highest.  TP and HD are more mid launch.  DI, HD and TP all have that kick in the mid although HD is the most subtle.  IZ doesn't kick much like the VF.

[JourdanM]

Any TP fans in here? My builder is getting a deal on them and I'm considering trying one. Have had most success with UB in driver 

[phizzy30]

59 minutes ago, JourdanM said:

Any TP fans in here? My builder is getting a deal on them and I'm considering trying one. Have had most success with UB in driver 

I like the TP in fairways metals.  It has a bit of kick to it in the mid.  Not as much as the DI though.  Easy to turnover.  Best way to describe it would be something in between UB and DI in terms of feel/kick and launch/spin.