Closest to AVX

[Longdriver295]

Are there any cheaper ball that plays To the very closest to the AVX, Or is the AVX worth paying the extra few bucks for? Driver SS around 92, 7 iron SS around 76. I'm a Natural high ball hitter with 7i launch around 19° I've never played the AVX but had several tell me I should. 

[BYK]

That's gonna be a tough one, esp cheaper 

Vice Pro soft, but I think it spins just a touch more with slt higher flight

[Longdriver295]

24 minutes ago, BYK said:

That's gonna be a tough one, esp cheaper 

Vice Pro soft, but I think it spins just a touch more with slt higher flight

Funny you speak of the Pro Soft, as that is my favorite ball from Vice. To me though I didn't think it launched really any higher than other balks I've played. 

[MattM97]

The AVX is really unique for the soft feel, low spin and low flight. Lots of other soft feel and low spin but they will fly a bit higher.

[North Butte]

The people at my club who have stuck with AVX consider it sui generis (although not necessarily using those words). Low and hot off the long clubs but plenty nice with wedges and in the short game. 

[Longdriver295]

11 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

The AVX is really unique for the soft feel, low spin and low flight. Lots of other soft feel and low spin but they will fly a bit higher.

So is it a ball that needs a Higher SS per se off the Driver? 

[MattM97]

2 minutes ago, Longdriver295 said:

So is it a ball that needs a Higher SS per se off the Driver? 

 

No not necessarily maybe to get the most out of it distance wise with the driver. But it's characteristics are very uncommon and hard to really compare anything to it. It's good an bad if something you need but don't want to spend the money.

[Longdriver295]

6 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

 

No not necessarily maybe to get the most out of it distance wise with the driver. But it's characteristics are very uncommon and hard to really compare anything to it. It's good an bad if something you need but don't want to spend the money.

You lost me with that last sentence lol

['Noles2013]

Random question.  Why does no one on tour play the AVX?  It’s obviously priced like a tour ball yet no one uses it.  Does any other brand have a ball priced liked a tour ball that no one on tour actually uses?  

[OnTheBag]

The AVX is a fantastic ball that works well for me and my swing speeds are comparable to yours @Longdriver295  Being retired, I can't afford $50 a dozen so I use Q Star Tour yellow.  The AVX is a little better in the wind and longer, but at $35 a dozen the QST wins out.  Plus I don't notice that much difference (if any) in the course of play.  

 

I rarely lose a ball, but when my health cooperates, I play A LOT.  About 2-3 rounds is all I ask of a ball.  3 dozen plus premium course pickups and scramble giveaways will cover me for the whole year.  

[jomatty]

7 minutes ago, 'Noles2013 said:

Random question.  Why does no one on tour play the AVX?  It’s obviously priced like a tour ball yet no one uses it.  Does any other brand have a ball priced liked a tour ball that no one on tour actually uses?  

It’s too soft for most pros.  You don’t see anyone using the chrome soft either (very limited if any tour usage).  They can be great balls for us mere mortals though.

[Longdriver295]

3 minutes ago, OnTheBag said:

The AVX is a fantastic ball that works well for me and my swing speeds are comparable to yours @Longdriver295  Being retired, I can't afford $50 a dozen so I use Q Star Tour yellow.  The AVX is a little better in the wind and longer, but at $35 a dozen the QST wins out.  Plus I don't notice that much difference (if any) in the course of play.  

 

I rarely lose a ball, but when my health cooperates, I play A LOT.  About 2-3 rounds is all I ask of a ball.  3 dozen plus premium course pickups and scramble giveaways will cover me for the whole year.  

Well I completely understand I have health issues as well. I'm a pretty good player (4hcp) and the QST yellow is exactly the ball I've been playing this year. It's a pretty dang good ball for 35 bucks! I was just trying to see if there were any cheaper alternatives to the AVX with all the hype it gets. But if it's a liw flyer like people saying, i don't want no part of it. I'm a natural high ball hitter and I like the higher ball flight. 

[MattM97]

24 minutes ago, Longdriver295 said:

You lost me with that last sentence lol

 

It's a good ball if it has all of the characteristics you need, but because there is nothing else like it and you don't like spending money on balls you're kinda stuck.

[Longdriver295]

3 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

 

It's a good ball if it has all of the characteristics you need, but because there is nothing else like it and you don't like spending money on balls you're kinda stuck.

Well if it flies that low then it puts me out cause I'm a natural high ball hitter and I like A little higher Ball flight. Probably just stick with my QST or go with the Vice Pro soft.

[puresurfr]

Wilson Duo professional ??? 

[MattM97]

2 hours ago, Longdriver295 said:

Well if it flies that low then it puts me out cause I'm a natural high ball hitter and I like A little higher Ball flight. Probably just stick with my QST or go with the Vice Pro soft.

 

It's not like you can't get it up in the air it will just be in a lower flight window. I hit a really high ball as well and the AVX did fly a bit lower but it's not like a line drive. 

[naj959]

AVX is a solid ball. I tend to spin the ball quite a bit with my current set of irons. It's nice on a calm day, but an absolute disaster when it's windy. The AVX works great on those days and allow my shots to not get eaten up but still have enough bite to stop on most greens. Ball flight isn't that much lower than the Pro V1X imo but the spin reduction and very soft feel are fantastic. 

[Longdriver295]

4 hours ago, naj959 said:

AVX is a solid ball. I tend to spin the ball quite a bit with my current set of irons. It's nice on a calm day, but an absolute disaster when it's windy. The AVX works great on those days and allow my shots to not get eaten up but still have enough bite to stop on most greens. Ball flight isn't that much lower than the Pro V1X imo but the spin reduction and very soft feel are fantastic. 

Well maybe I will give it a shot, that's one thing it has going for me is I do like a softer feeling ball. 

[North Butte]

The best player I know who has tried and stuck with the AVX is a roughly scratch (or maybe +1hcp) young man who plays at my club. My understanding is, he'd always considered the weak point in his game to be difficulty flighting the ball rather than hitting everything (irons) sky high. He tried AVX and it immediately hit the "window" he had been wanting and as a nice side effect he picked up nearly a club of distance with his irons.

 

The couple other AVX players are 5-10hcp golfers who get plenty of height and spin with it but find it plays noticeably longer off both driver and irons than any other ball that has sufficient spin. They are both low 90's driver swingers for whom 10 extra yards off the driver and some extra distance on hybrids and mid-irons is a definite benefit.

[Longdriver295]

21 minutes ago, North Butte said:

The best player I know who has tried and stuck with the AVX is a roughly scratch (or maybe +1hcp) young man who plays at my club. My understanding is, he'd always considered the weak point in his game to be difficulty flighting the ball rather than hitting everything (irons) sky high. He tried AVX and it immediately hit the "window" he had been wanting and as a nice side effect he picked up nearly a club of distance with his irons.

 

The couple other AVX players are 5-10hcp golfers who get plenty of height and spin with it but find it plays noticeably longer off both driver and irons than any other ball that has sufficient spin. They are both low 90's driver swingers for whom 10 extra yards off the driver and some extra distance on hybrids and mid-irons is a definite benefit.

Well then if this is the case I definitely need to try it

[North Butte]

6 minutes ago, Longdriver295 said:

Well then if this is the case I definitely need to try it

I do struggle with (lack of) height and spin and I still like AVX a lot. If my home course's greens didn't get extremely firm and hard to hold with approach shots at times during the Summer and early Fall I'd probably be playing AVX instead of Pro V1x. But somehow that extra height and spin of the Pro V1x helps me feel like I'm doing everything possible to keep my 7-iron shots from bouncing over the green when the course gets super firm and fast.

 

In reality, I know deep down that the few extra yards AVX brings my game is more valuable than that little bit of extra stopping power. But I've been using Pro V1x for nearly a decade now and when I play a few rounds with AVX everything's great until the first time I fail to hold a green. Funny how mind games work, for all I know those shots would have ended up in the rough over the green with Pro V1x!

 

But I can't help but think, "Stupid AVX, no stopping power" and so I'll root around in the bottom pocket of my golf bag and dig out a Pro V1x for the rest of the round. 

Edited December 1, 2022 by North Butte

[Longdriver295]

2 minutes ago, North Butte said:

I do struggle with (lack of) height and spin and I still like AVX a lot. If my home course's greens didn't get extremely firm and hard to hold with approach shots at times during the Summer and early Fall I'd probably be playing AVX instead of Pro V1x. But somehow that extra height and spin of the Pro V1x helps me feel like I'm doing everything possible to keep my 7-iron shots from bouncing over the green when the course gets super firm and fast.

 

In reality, I know deep down that the few extra yards AVX brings my game is more valuable than that little bit of extra stopping power. But I've been using Pro V1x for nearly a decade now and when I play a few rounds with AVX everything's great until the first time I fail to hold a green. Funny how mind games work, for all I know those shots would have ended up in the rough over the green with Pro V1x!

So are saying the AVX soin around the greens and off short irons are not that good? I mean I hit the ball pretty high so not sure I'd have trouble stopping a 7 or 8i on the greens. I'm holding greens well now with those clubs using just about any ball that's urethane cover

[North Butte]

The 1st generation of AVX I could just about convince myself it played a little different than Pro V1x on something like a 40-yard pitch shot or a little bump and run around the green. I spent many hours out on the course playing the 2018 version of both balls side by side and stopping at each green to hit extra chip/pitch shots. 

 

The current generation, I personally can't distinguish between AVX and Pro V1x in the short game. But I don't play "low spinner" type shots so I'm not the best person to answer that particular question. The only real difference I see is height on the longer clubs (high with Pro V1x, medium with AVX) and how quickly they stop on a firm green.

 

For my game, I almost never have trouble stopping a Pro V1x, AVX or other ball with a GW/PW/9-iron. But I end up hitting 8-iron, 7-iron or 6-iron into most greens and that's where I start noticing more rollout with AVX than Pro V1x. 

 

From your description of your game, I don't think that's likely to be a problem even with a 7-iron or 6-iron. And they certainly have tamed the AVX now that it's in the 3rd (IIRC) generation. It's more controllable than the 1st-gen AVX according to people who have played both. Almost all of my experience was with the 1st-gen.

 

P.S. Keep in mind I'm a low-mid teens handicapper and while I have a LOT of experience with these two balls it's still hard for me to know for 100% certain what is the ball vs. what is my swing. 

Edited December 1, 2022 by North Butte

[rd1959]

14 hours ago, puresurfr said:

Wilson Duo professional ??? 

The Duo pro is no longer produced. It's a shame they didn't stay with this ball because it would have been the perfect ball to fill the gap between the low compression offerings like the Duo Spin, 50 Elite, the Zip, and the higher compression Triad.

Edited December 1, 2022 by rd1959

[ShortGolfer]

I bought two dozen AVXs and two dozen Pro V1s to use when I run out of yellow Trusofts.

I got fitted for irons to hold small greens with a 70 SS.  I was pleased to be able do that from 100 to 120 yards out with a 28* 7 iron.  With the cheap Trusofts!

 

The Trusofts are amazingly rugged.  The only way they get scuffed is if I bounce them off a cart path!

I play them on a beginner course that has numerous areas of high grass and forest to punish bad shots.  As well as shots that just roll off the fairway a yard or two.

 

Edited December 1, 2022 by ShortGolfer

[bomberman]

I haven't found a ball like it, the low flight accompanied with the lower spin and soft feel are what make it a bit unique. For me with moderate/high SS I do lose a bit of distance off the driver compared to the left dash or Srixon XV, but when it's cold and windy it is the best ball for my game.

 

 

[Simp]

I find that the Tour Response is as close to the AVX as I've played. 

[deepred]

On 11/30/2022 at 9:35 PM, MattM97 said:

 

It's a good ball if it has all of the characteristics you need, but because there is nothing else like it and you don't like spending money on balls you're kinda stuck.

The Wilson Duo Pro was close but like every ball I like it’s been discontinued. I wonder how much difference there is between the AVX and Tour Speed? For most of us and I still break 110 with a driver, the TruFeel is just as good. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by deepred

[Wardman]

On 11/30/2022 at 3:35 PM, Longdriver295 said:

Are there any cheaper ball that plays To the very closest to the AVX, Or is the AVX worth paying the extra few bucks for? Driver SS around 92, 7 iron SS around 76. I'm a Natural high ball hitter with 7i launch around 19° I've never played the AVX but had several tell me I should. 

Tour Response?  Deals on the bay right now.

[North Butte]

1 hour ago, deepred said:

The Wilson Duo Pro was close but like every ball I like it’s been discontinued. I wonder how much difference there is between the AVX and Tour Speed? For most of us and I still break 110 with a driver, the TruFeel is just as good. 

I found a good deal on Tour Speed a year or so ago but they were white (not yellow) so maybe I was predisposed to not liking them. But FWIW after a few rounds I thought it was just dead feeling compared to either AVX or my usual Pro V1x. Didn't have the high flight I like about Pro V1x and I never seemed to get that low, running extra 15 yard driver shot like I get a couple times a round with AVX.

 

Not a bad ball by any means but seemed a bit disappointing overall. Still, I only paid like TruFeel prices for the couple dozen I tried so it wasn't as disappointing as if I'd paid MSRP and found them a little lackluster.