2024 mizuno MP iron range

[Grouchykona]

1 hour ago, Louis_Posture said:

What else could be done to the 245 other than bending to make the loft (s) weaker or change the lie angle?

Maybe some tour van voodoo type stuff?? I don’t know and I could be completely wrong 🤷‍♂️ 

[Louis_Posture]

6 minutes ago, Grouchykona said:

Maybe some tour van voodoo type stuff?? I don’t know and I could be completely wrong 🤷‍♂️ 

For irons I believe Tour pros play essentially the same heads as retail consumers purchase. 

 

[Llortamaisey]

14 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

For irons I believe Tour pros play essentially the same heads as retail consumers purchase. 

 

Don’t forget the tour issue pixie dust. 

[Mp14forlife]

16 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

For irons I believe Tour pros play essentially the same heads as retail consumers purchase. 

 

I do see them with custom sole grinds. Be interesting if Luke Donald liked that extra 3 degrees of bounce or has them grind that sole. I think Keith Mitchell had them do a pre worn leading edge on some of his 221's. 

[medic170979]

On 1/10/2024 at 11:14 AM, tigercolt77 said:

Actually discussed doing that to switch to graphite but I've never actually done that. I don't have time to do my own club work. I appreciate your concerns/opinion on the matter but for me and my time it's easier to have someone else do the work. 

Don't let anyone talk you out of new clubs!!  I really enjoy buying your slightly used old sets!  

[over7par]

On 1/9/2024 at 6:09 PM, Brooks_Cupcake said:

Im am here to enable and support all degenerates alike. Let me know how it goes 

Callaway stuff wasn't there today, so bummer on that.

 

I ended up spending more time than I'd planned with the 245/243 and I was super impressed with both. I took my T100-S set with me to warm up with since I'd be essentially testing that style of iron with the 243 and 243 (being loft to loft with the T100-S) was bang on with the numbers on the T100-S. Spin, launch, distance. 243 felt REALLY, REALLY good. I was excited, because I had no issue hitting them and to my eye, they're slightly larger than T100-S, so again, I don't think there'd be any issue there. They're excellent.

 

245 beat them though. Feel was extremely similar. I think 243 felt better, but not enough for me to give up the distance and forgiveness on the 245. They were practically automatic. I mean, as automatic as I get anyway. I hit a few stinkers with all three iron sets today, but I dug 245 a lot. Really glad I went with them since there was practically no difference between T100-S/243 for me. My T100-S set isn't going anywhere, so I don't see the sense in having a 243 set, even if they do feel better. I also compared 245 size to P770 and T150 and it sits right in the middle. P770>245>T150.

 

I was extremely impressed with 245. I actually spun 245 the same as 243 (6200-6500, 7i) with around a 250rpm variance. I swore 225 was my perfect iron minus the spin and at least in MY testing, they've addressed it. I couldn't be more excited about it.

[PowerCobra98]

Decided to order up one of the new Fli-Hi's today.  Now I'll be waiting for both it and the 243's. 

[snowmangolf]

3 hours ago, Mp14forlife said:

I do see them with custom sole grinds. Be interesting if Luke Donald liked that extra 3 degrees of bounce or has them grind that sole. I think Keith Mitchell had them do a pre worn leading edge on some of his 221's. 

Can they grind the sole of a hollow body iron head? 

[Mp14forlife]

9 hours ago, snowmangolf said:

Can they grind the sole of a hollow body iron head? 

That's a good question! I truly don't know. 

[ck800]

Yeah that's a ton of bounce with an already chunky sole. Can't say I wouldn't try it out myself but risky experiment for $1.5k lol

[Brooks_Cupcake]

Just now, ck800 said:

Yeah that's a ton of bounce with an already chunky sole. Can't say I wouldn't try it out myself but risky experiment for $1.5k lol

Ton of bounce?

 

[ck800]

35 minutes ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

Ton of bounce?

 

If you weaken them 3 degrees it's adds 3 degrees of bounce

[Brooks_Cupcake]

42 minutes ago, ck800 said:

If you weaken them 3 degrees it's adds 3 degrees of bounce

Ah. Cool. But depends on what they start at I guess? 
Im glad bounce in irons isn’t discussed ad nauseam like wedges.

[Tree Levino]

1 hour ago, ck800 said:

Yeah that's a ton of bounce with an already chunky sole. Can't say I wouldn't try it out myself but risky experiment for $1.5k lol

It’s really not that much. For reference an i230 has 9 degrees in the 7 iron and changes by a degree per iron until you get to the bottom of the bag where it gets even higher. No reason to fixate on the bounce I’ve played irons with tons and very little. Doesn’t really matter than much. They probably play great 3 weak. 

[TiScape]

20 hours ago, Louis_Posture said:

For irons I believe Tour pros play essentially *the same heads as retail consumers purchase. 

 

In this regard, I believe the TM milled blades are definitely produced differently than their retail offerings. There was a video posted a while ago of a big name tour player’s heads being made. An insider commented TM would charge somewhere in the $7k range if they produced the retail heads the same way. If you were only talking about Mizzy, my apologies. 
 

*these points are made from memory and could be slightly off 

 

**found the link

 

Edited January 14 by TiScape

[bombs]

23 hours ago, Louis_Posture said:

What else could be done to the 245 other than bending to make the loft (s) weaker or change the lie angle?

 

Taylormade have a "Tour only" version of the P770 which has a thicker face with reduced flex.

So i guess that..? 

[Lumberjack627]

Just orders from DD’s. 

245 5-gw 1 degree flat 

7-gw 1 degree weak

cant wait for them to come and compare agains my zx5 mkii 

[KnoxvilleReb]

The 245's seem like they have incredible potential. I'm anxious to hear how people find the yardage gaps from the 9-8-7 to mesh. With it being a problem on the 223's last year I'm hoping Mizuno have learned and it won't be an issue again.

[Seidinho]

On 1/13/2024 at 6:51 PM, over7par said:

I was extremely impressed with 245. I actually spun 245 the same as 243 (6200-6500, 7i) with around a 250rpm variance. I swore 225 was my perfect iron minus the spin and at least in MY testing, they've addressed it. I couldn't be more excited about it.

 

That would be pretty spinny for the 245, right? It's essentially a 6 iron spinning at 6200-6500. Not what I would have expected. 

[over7par]

58 minutes ago, Seidinho said:

 

That would be pretty spinny for the 245, right? It's essentially a 6 iron spinning at 6200-6500. Not what I would have expected. 

I'm definitely not the prototypical WRX'er though. My 7i swing speed is a whopping 82-83mph and the 245 7i average carry was 152 with 160 rollout--243 was 145 carry with 153 rollout. I just couldn't hold anything with the 225s, so pretty spinny with hitting those distances is perfect for what I need.

[Tree Levino]

1 hour ago, Seidinho said:

 

That would be pretty spinny for the 245, right? It's essentially a 6 iron spinning at 6200-6500. Not what I would have expected. 

 

It actually spun quite well for me too even with PX 6.5 which has been my gamer for the post part over the last 3 seasons

[snowmangolf]

57 minutes ago, over7par said:

I'm definitely not the prototypical WRX'er though. My 7i swing speed is a whopping 82-83mph and the 245 7i average carry was 152 with 160 rollout--243 was 145 carry with 153 rollout. I just couldn't hold anything with the 225s, so pretty spinny with hitting those distances is perfect for what I need.

Do you have smash/launch/attack angle stats to go along with the swing speed? I’m kind of surprised you were only carrying it 152 with 82-83mph speed. I was screwing around with them earlier today swinging around 77-78 and carrying it about 163-165. 

 

My 7i swing speed lives around 84-86mph and I’m carrying the 243 around 166-168 on average 

 

Do you play a consistent fade?

[Louis_Posture]

On 11/19/2023 at 7:47 PM, noodle3872 said:

243 is a bit larger than 923T in blade length. If you can play 223, you can play 243. 

Mizuno website iron comparison section reads that the 923T blade length is longer than the 243.

[noodle3872]

4 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

Mizuno website iron comparison section reads that the 923T blade length is longer than the 243.

2 months ago, my eye said 243 was a bit larger. I guess the 243 are only larger be a decimal point or two in the 4i to 6i. 

[over7par]

1 hour ago, snowmangolf said:

Do you have smash/launch/attack angle stats to go along with the swing speed? I’m kind of surprised you were only carrying it 152 with 82-83mph speed. I was screwing around with them earlier today swinging around 77-78 and carrying it about 163-165. 

 

My 7i swing speed lives around 84-86mph and I’m carrying the 243 around 166-168 on average 

 

Do you play a consistent fade?

I don't. I wish I'd had him send me the session results and I don't recall smash/launch/attack angle. I do recall him saying my launch was solid. And yes, fade is my normal stock shot with anything except driver. And they were painting the center line with my normal fade.

 

I'll say this, the way I deliver the club on my irons and wedges, I do not maximize distance. I'm fairly positive I cast a little (or a lot) and I know I should go get lessons to fix it, but I'm turning 40 Saturday, have 2 kids, and just don't have the time to devote to fixing my swing. Please don't think I'm getting all defensive or anything, I've just tried to fix it in the past and don't want to waste the time trying to fix it, though I'd LOVE to do so.

 

From the top of the bag to the bottom though, carrying a 7i 150 puts me right where I want to be, so I guess I was just more focused on the 7i hitting that number and then seeing the spin numbers at 6000+ was good enough for me. As soon as I get them in, I'm planning to take them back in for a gapping session to tweak lofts as needed, so I'll be more mindful of all the other stuff. Now that you mention it, I'm more annoyed I didn't have him send me all the stats. That's usually the first thing I ask when we're done.

[snowmangolf]

1 hour ago, over7par said:

I don't. I wish I'd had him send me the session results and I don't recall smash/launch/attack angle. I do recall him saying my launch was solid. And yes, fade is my normal stock shot with anything except driver. And they were painting the center line with my normal fade.

 

I'll say this, the way I deliver the club on my irons and wedges, I do not maximize distance. I'm fairly positive I cast a little (or a lot) and I know I should go get lessons to fix it, but I'm turning 40 Saturday, have 2 kids, and just don't have the time to devote to fixing my swing. Please don't think I'm getting all defensive or anything, I've just tried to fix it in the past and don't want to waste the time trying to fix it, though I'd LOVE to do so.

 

From the top of the bag to the bottom though, carrying a 7i 150 puts me right where I want to be, so I guess I was just more focused on the 7i hitting that number and then seeing the spin numbers at 6000+ was good enough for me. As soon as I get them in, I'm planning to take them back in for a gapping session to tweak lofts as needed, so I'll be more mindful of all the other stuff. Now that you mention it, I'm more annoyed I didn't have him send me all the stats. That's usually the first thing I ask when we're done.

Knowing how far each club in your bag goes is more than half the battle, so definitely nothing wrong with a consistent 150 that hits the intended target. I love breaking down all of the data to understand what’s what. Enjoy the new irons! 

[Louis_Posture]

10 hours ago, noodle3872 said:

2 months ago, my eye said 243 was a bit larger. I guess the 243 are only larger be a decimal point or two in the 4i to 6i. 

I play the 923T. Have you compared the 243 to the 923T in terms of impact sound-feel?

[noodle3872]

1 hour ago, Louis_Posture said:

I play the 923T. Have you compared the 243 to the 923T in terms of impact sound-feel?

Short irons 8i to PW feel very similar. 7i to 4i the 243 feel more responsive which I attribute to the material and construction of the irons. Flushed iron shots with 923T are glorious but 243 give me 9.5/10 feel on flushed shot yet offer a good bit of help on mishits. 

[FOOTJOY16]

The life of a strong willed Wrx'er personified here....

 

I hit the new Mizuno lineup last summer when the rep was in town...some of my comments are at the early part of this thread...

 

I really like my 221's.  I think they are the best blades Mizuno has made since the 33's and MP4's...obviously just my opinion... so I had no interest in the new 241's when I hit them late last summer..

 

Well.. the new demo heads finally hit the store last week so I went in to try some driver heads and to "waggle" the new Mizuno irons.  Big mistake.. the new 241 had not been hit yet so... I hit the 241 one time.. as shown below.. and one time only.. .obviously hit it pretty well and never felt it leave the face.....so being strong willed I am about ready to order a set....I'm a weak man... 

Edited January 17 by FOOTJOY16

[SBH9458]

3 minutes ago, FOOTJOY16 said:

The life of a strong willed Wrx'er personified here....

 

I hit the new Mizuno lineup last summer when the rep was in town...some of my comments are at the early part of this thread...

 

I really like my 221's.  I think they are the best blades Mizuno has made since the 33's and MP4's...obviously just my opinion... so I had no interest in the new 241's when I hit them late last summer..

 

Well.. the new demo heads finally hit the store last week so I went in to try some driver heads and to "waggle" the new Mizuno irons.  Big mistake.. the new 241 had not been hit yet so... I hit the 241 one time.. as shown below.. and one time only.. .obviously hit it pretty well and never felt it leave the face.....so being strong willed I am about ready to order a set....I'm a weak man... 

Love it!  Hope for fast delivery for you.