TaylorMade QI10 MAX

jibbs1082 · January 9

Curious what all the differences between Qi10 Max, Qi10 and Qi10LS are other than the LS has the slidable fade/draw weight, similar to the Stealth 2 and Steath+.

Mainly interested in weighting placement in the driver head.

I have been using the M4 with a pretty tight fade, and sometimes small draw (I am a 7.5 index) and for the most part, consistent in play drives. Switched to the Stealth (original version) a year ago, and found it to be very very spinny and couldnt control cuts. My understanding was that the weighting in the M4 was lower and further back.

My question is - if I make the switch again, does the weight arrangement in the Qi10Max mimic that old M4... while the LS will mimic the Stealth drivers?

Anyone have real technical blueprint info on these driver heads yet?

Streuner · January 9

From what I have heard right now, the 10.000 MOI digit is only with the max driver but this head will spin a bit, especially when you hit it with higher speed. The other 2 heads are having a deeper MOI and a deeper spin number as well…

it seems like PING did handle the Spin / MOI ratio a bit better with their G430 10k

btw PING have had a 10.000 MOI driver with the G400max in the past, it was a bit spinny but still a decent driver…

Edited January 9 by Streuner

jibbs1082 · January 9

21 minutes ago, Streuner said:

From what I have heard right now, the 10.000 MOI digit is only with the max driver but this head will spin a bit, especially when you hit it with higher speed. The other 2 heads are having a deeper MOI and a deeper spin number as well…

it seems like PING did handle the Spin / MOI ratio a bit better with their G430 10k

btw PING have had a 10.000 MOI driver with the G400max in the past, it was a bit spinny but still a decent driver…

Good info, should mention my swing speed varies from 108-114ish...

Ended up going back to the M4 for the past 2 seasons with the same shaft that was in my M4 (Venuts) need to find specs and will post.

Just found that Stealth head to be almost uncontrollably spinney for some reason.

Streuner · January 9

Peter Finch at YT did test the TM QI10 Max at 115mph with a real Ventus X shaft and it spun over 3k average. He did try the same time the Ping 10k and this one spun 500rpm less. But everybody is different and the real question is: if the TM QI 10 max has a MOI of 10.000+ how much is the standard QI10 having… everybody has a tendency for misses. You need the driver that penalties less for exactly this type of error.

ChaosTheory · January 10

6 hours ago, jibbs1082 said:

Curious what all the differences between Qi10 Max, Qi10 and Qi10LS are other than the LS has the slidable fade/draw weight, similar to the Stealth 2 and Steath+.

Mainly interested in weighting placement in the driver head.

I have been using the M4 with a pretty tight fade, and sometimes small draw (I am a 7.5 index) and for the most part, consistent in play drives. Switched to the Stealth (original version) a year ago, and found it to be very very spinny and couldnt control cuts. My understanding was that the weighting in the M4 was lower and further back.

My question is - if I make the switch again, does the weight arrangement in the Qi10Max mimic that old M4... while the LS will mimic the Stealth drivers?

Anyone have real technical blueprint info on these driver heads yet?

The weight in the M4 is higher and back. It’s quite unique. If you look google 2018 driver cog data you’ll find the m g s site.

So it’s spinnier than something with lower cog. Which helps negate sidespin.

puttingmatt · January 10

Available in early February,

Qi10 Max and Qi10 standard at

$599. usd

Qi10LS at $640. usd

Lots of info on YouTube to watch,

Edited January 10 by puttingmatt

bbspeer · January 10

16 hours ago, Streuner said:

Peter Finch at YT did test the TM QI10 Max at 115mph with a real Ventus X shaft and it spun over 3k average. He did try the same time the Ping 10k and this one spun 500rpm less. But everybody is different and the real question is: if the TM QI 10 max has a MOI of 10.000+ how much is the standard QI10 having… everybody has a tendency for misses. You need the driver that penalties less for exactly this type of error.

I believe the standard Qi10 is 8500

Streuner · January 10

8 minutes ago, bbspeer said:

I believe the standard Qi10 is 8500

which is also a very good number, the ususal OEM are more around 6000 with their MAX models, only PING and PXG have higher MOI drivers since a longer time

BirdieBob · January 10

21 hours ago, jibbs1082 said:

Curious what all the differences between Qi10 Max, Qi10 and Qi10LS are other than the LS has the slidable fade/draw weight, similar to the Stealth 2 and Steath+.

Mainly interested in weighting placement in the driver head.

I have been using the M4 with a pretty tight fade, and sometimes small draw (I am a 7.5 index) and for the most part, consistent in play drives. Switched to the Stealth (original version) a year ago, and found it to be very very spinny and couldnt control cuts. My understanding was that the weighting in the M4 was lower and further back.

My question is - if I make the switch again, does the weight arrangement in the Qi10Max mimic that old M4... while the LS will mimic the Stealth drivers?

Anyone have real technical blueprint info on these driver heads yet?

2024 TaylorMade Qi 10 drivers – GolfWRX Launch Report – GolfWRX

Walkerdb7 · January 25

Did a fitting today... The marketing hype really delivered. I picked up speed and my dispersion was tighter.

The Epic data listed below is from that fitting 4 years ago. I pulled up the old pic of the monitor I took at the time. Today's track man data was about the same.

Interestingly, the standard Qi10 was a tad longer, but I didn't feel as confident swinging it.

Edited January 25 by Walkerdb7

RangeBaller · January 25

36 minutes ago, Walkerdb7 said:

Did a fitting today... The marketing hype really delivered. I picked up speed and my dispersion was tighter.

The Epic data listed below is from that fitting 4 years ago. I pulled up the old pic of the monitor I took at the time. Today's track man data was about the same.

Interestingly, the standard Qi10 was a tad longer, but I didn't feel as confident swinging it.

Four years apart? Doesn't mean much unless you test heads back to back with the same shaft and on the same launch monitor.

But hey, if it's improved your numbers it's all smiles 👍

Walkerdb7 · January 26

4 hours ago, RangeBaller said:

Four years apart? Doesn't mean much unless you test heads back to back with the same shaft and on the same launch monitor.

But hey, if it's improved your numbers it's all smiles 👍

Take 2. Maybe I didn’t phrase that well…

I picked up +10 yards of carry vs my current Callaway gamer.

I pulled my old fitting data from 4 years and it matched the numbers I saw today with the Callaway. I did that to verify that today’s numbers were consistent.

I have Arcos and my Callaway on course data with that is 278 total.

I’m very hyped that TM delivered the Fargiveness

dmeeksDC · January 26

The Qi10 MAX is very easy to hit. Spin is variable. Easy to move it up or down with loft adjustments. I don’t recall a recent TM driver this forgiving.

I did not notice it being more “stable” or resistant to twisting than other past drivers. I think the whole 10K MOI thing is a bit of diminishing returns as it seems the stability difference between an 8500 MOI driver vs a 10K driver might not be a big deal to a lot of golfers. It’s not auto-straight.

Walkerdb7 · January 27

On 1/26/2024 at 6:52 AM, dmeeksDC said:

I did not notice it being more “stable” or resistant to twisting than other past drivers. I think the whole 10K MOI thing is a bit of diminishing returns as it seems the stability difference between an 8500 MOI driver vs a 10K driver might not be a big deal to a lot of golfers.

Maybe, but it’s 15% improvement? That’s something and there’s a segment of the popular that will benefit. I respect your point of diminishing returns, but want to respect an engineering improvement.

Going into my fitting I was biased and expected to walk out with a Ping 10K. My hope was to maintain distance (or gain like +4), but get a fairway finder. Played a Ping before, was the 2nd gen SFT, 410 I think?

Based on the reviews I watched ahead of time, seemed like the TM gave forgiveness and no distance. Ping was a nice balance. Also seemed like the standard Qi10 was a great option too. (Aligns with your thoughts above that the 8500 is good enough?)

Left my fitting and did what any gear would do, watched all the reviews again and tried to solve why Qi10 Max worked for me… as it seems like an odd duck?

For anyone else considering this driver, here’s what I came up with:

1. This driver is spinny compared to the Ping. If you look at my TM Data, I’m naturally a lower spin player. I think most people looking for distance are looking to reduce spin, I need to add a bit

2. qualitative for sure… but the look. This thing is huge and looks clean. Was beginning me to swing out of my shoes and I could with confidence. I’m coming from an Epic Max Ls and Ping 410

SFT and neither one of those is winning a beauty contest. I’m fine with ugly, but there’s so much going on with the turbulators, transition from Ti to Carbon, and the black front and grey back, I just never looked down at it with confidence.

3. In Rick shields review, he referenced lining the driver up closer to the toe to insure center strikes. Interestingly enough, that is something I have organically done. Just empirically, I’ve always found better results hitting the toe center of the face as opposed to the heel center of the face. Call it dumb luck, but interesting that his review aligns with how I purposefully set up.

I hit the TM 3 different times and never seen a tighter dispersion in my life.

My index is a 12.7 right now. Lost balls off the tee is the number one issue I have contributing to lost strokes.

Edited January 27 by Walkerdb7

Lumberjack627 · January 27

30 minutes ago, Walkerdb7 said:

Maybe, but it’s 15% improvement? That’s something and there’s a segment of the popular that will benefit. I respect your point of diminishing returns, but want to respect an engineering improvement.

Going into my fitting I was biased and expected to walk out with a Ping 10K. My hope was to maintain distance (or gain like +4), but get a fairway finder. Played a Ping before, was the 2nd gen SFT, 410 I think?

Based on the reviews I watched ahead of time, seemed like the TM gave forgiveness and no distance. Ping was a nice balance. Also seemed like the standard Qi10 was a great option too. (Aligns with your thoughts above that the 8500 is good enough?)

Left my fitting and did what any gear would do, watched all the reviews again and tried to solve why Qi10 Max worked for me… as it seems like an odd duck?

For anyone else considering this driver, here’s what I came up with:

1. This driver is spinny compared to the Ping. If you look at my TM Data, I’m naturally a lower spin player. I think most people looking for distance are looking to reduce spin, I need to add a bit

2. qualitative for sure… but the look. This thing is huge and looks clean. Was beginning me to swing out of my shoes and I could with confidence. I’m coming from an Epic Max Ls and Ping 410

SFT and neither one of those is winning a beauty contest. I’m fine with ugly, but there’s so much going on with the turbulators, transition from Ti to Carbon, and the black front and grey back, I just never looked down at it with confidence.

3. In Rick shields review, he referenced lining the driver up closer to the toe to insure center strikes. Interestingly enough, that is something I have organically done. Just empirically, I’ve always found better results hitting the toe center of the face as opposed to the heel center of the face. Call it dumb luck, but interesting that his review aligns with how I purposefully set up.

I hit the TM 3 different times and never seen a tighter dispersion in my life.

My index is a 12.7 right now. Lost balls off the tee is the number one issue I have contributing to lost strokes.

I would take those results all day and twice

on on Sunday what a nice tight grouping you have there. This will drastically help that 12.7. Can’t wait to test the tm and ping 10 today and see the results.

Walkerdb7 · January 28

12 hours ago, Lumberjack627 said:

I would take those results all day and twice

on on Sunday what a nice tight grouping you have there. This will drastically help that 12.7. Can’t wait to test the tm and ping 10 today and see the results.

Yeah, once I narrowed the Qi10 Max into the final group, I did that 4-5 swing test vs Callaway a couple times and it was that good every time…

most importantly, let’s hope it translates to the course. I’d love to demo it more time and validate the results

Edited January 28 by Walkerdb7

snowmangolf · January 28

15 hours ago, Walkerdb7 said:

Maybe, but it’s 15% improvement? That’s something and there’s a segment of the popular that will benefit. I respect your point of diminishing returns, but want to respect an engineering improvement.

Going into my fitting I was biased and expected to walk out with a Ping 10K. My hope was to maintain distance (or gain like +4), but get a fairway finder. Played a Ping before, was the 2nd gen SFT, 410 I think?

Based on the reviews I watched ahead of time, seemed like the TM gave forgiveness and no distance. Ping was a nice balance. Also seemed like the standard Qi10 was a great option too. (Aligns with your thoughts above that the 8500 is good enough?)

Left my fitting and did what any gear would do, watched all the reviews again and tried to solve why Qi10 Max worked for me… as it seems like an odd duck?

For anyone else considering this driver, here’s what I came up with:

1. This driver is spinny compared to the Ping. If you look at my TM Data, I’m naturally a lower spin player. I think most people looking for distance are looking to reduce spin, I need to add a bit

2. qualitative for sure… but the look. This thing is huge and looks clean. Was beginning me to swing out of my shoes and I could with confidence. I’m coming from an Epic Max Ls and Ping 410

SFT and neither one of those is winning a beauty contest. I’m fine with ugly, but there’s so much going on with the turbulators, transition from Ti to Carbon, and the black front and grey back, I just never looked down at it with confidence.

3. In Rick shields review, he referenced lining the driver up closer to the toe to insure center strikes. Interestingly enough, that is something I have organically done. Just empirically, I’ve always found better results hitting the toe center of the face as opposed to the heel center of the face. Call it dumb luck, but interesting that his review aligns with how I purposefully set up.

I hit the TM 3 different times and never seen a tighter dispersion in my life.

My index is a 12.7 right now. Lost balls off the tee is the number one issue I have contributing to lost strokes.

Curious, what’s your AOA average out to and what was the driver loft during this test?

Edited January 28 by snowmangolf

Walkerdb7 · January 29

I don’t have the average, but here’s a pic I took. Looks like was 0?

Ended up with a club loft of “10.5 +2 clicks additional loft” - I’m assuming that’s 11.5 deg or 12.5 deg? Not sure if each click is .5 or 1 deg

Callaway was an 11 deg (10 head +1)

Not all that versed in angle of attack in a fitting a context, what are you looking for with that question?

notsohard · January 29

An interesting thing about the Qi10Max..The engineer/designer of that club was at a fit-out for a English Youtuber girl. Mentioned that if you put a heavier weight than what is stock from factory in the back of the driver, it goes over the 10K and becomes illegal. Club golfers go for it 😀

Walkerdb7 · January 29

56 minutes ago, notsohard said:

An interesting thing about the Qi10Max..The engineer/designer of that club was at a fit-out for a English Youtuber girl. Mentioned that if you put a heavier weight than what is stock from factory in the back of the driver, it goes over the 10K and becomes illegal. Club golfers go for it 😀

I’m not personally ever doing it and not condoning it for anyone who plays in events…

but modifying clubs to exceed legal and then comparing them to legal clubs would be fascinating YouTube content.

what sorta gains is the USGA holding back. 10 yards? 20% more fairways hit?

Walkerdb7 · January 29

Plan is to order a driver and 5W. Club Champion did not have the five wood to test and I went to a big box store hoping to take a couple swings with it before ordering.

Like any gear nut, I brought my driver as well to do one more comparison. Based on the GC quad + chrome soft instead of the track man + proV1x this time, Avg carry was 272. Callaway was 248. TM dispersion pattern significantly tighter again.

there were two or three swings where I thought it was going to be sliced off the screen and it was only 20 yards off center.

Unfortunately, they didn’t have the 5W either. Same experience today as CC fitting. Found the 3W easier to hit and better alignment at address, just going to take the plunge and order the 5W.

Edited January 29 by Walkerdb7

noodle3872 · January 30

On 1/28/2024 at 4:58 PM, notsohard said:

An interesting thing about the Qi10Max..The engineer/designer of that club was at a fit-out for a English Youtuber girl. Mentioned that if you put a heavier weight than what is stock from factory in the back of the driver, it goes over the 10K and becomes illegal. Club golfers go for it 😀

It was the heel weight Tomo was speaking about. I highly doubt any appreciable performance gains would be found by increasing the heel or back weight.

JungleJimbo · February 1

On 1/10/2024 at 1:57 AM, jibbs1082 said:

Curious what all the differences between Qi10 Max, Qi10 and Qi10LS are other than the LS has the slidable fade/draw weight, similar to the Stealth 2 and Steath+.

Mainly interested in weighting placement in the driver head.

I have been using the M4 with a pretty tight fade, and sometimes small draw (I am a 7.5 index) and for the most part, consistent in play drives. Switched to the Stealth (original version) a year ago, and found it to be very very spinny and couldnt control cuts. My understanding was that the weighting in the M4 was lower and further back.

My question is - if I make the switch again, does the weight arrangement in the Qi10Max mimic that old M4... while the LS will mimic the Stealth drivers?

Anyone have real technical blueprint info on these driver heads yet?

This video does a comparison between the Qi10max and the Stealth2HD ...

the side-profile comparison = also interesting (to me ... maybe i missed earlier posts, but this is one of the first comparisons i've seen?)

Front to back profile = 8mm longer (and the back weight = 32 grams vs 30 grams in predecessor?)

... In the comments section, this was mentioned: "...the Qi10 Max adapter makes the shaft play 1/4 of an inch shorter so your shorten shaft was even shorter in the max and would play shorter in a regular size shaft compared to other heads"

Edited February 1 by JungleJimbo

Walkerdb7 · February 1

12 hours ago, JungleJimbo said:

... In the comments section, this was mentioned: "...the Qi10 Max adapter makes the shaft play 1/4 of an inch shorter so your shorten shaft was even shorter in the max and would play shorter in a regular size shaft compared to other heads"

Great vid, never seen this guy before!

Fitter was quick to point out the 1/4" shorter and pointing out how impressed he was with the gains vs a std length.

CactusGolf · February 1

On 1/25/2024 at 3:31 PM, Walkerdb7 said:

Did a fitting today... The marketing hype really delivered. I picked up speed and my dispersion was tighter.

The Epic data listed below is from that fitting 4 years ago. I pulled up the old pic of the monitor I took at the time. Today's track man data was about the same.

Interestingly, the standard Qi10 was a tad longer, but I didn't feel as confident swinging it.

But look at the efficiency on the Qi10 Max. That's a big improvement. I have an AI Max being delivered today (played the Paradym since it first came bout), but I know I have a low-spin problem so the Qi Max may be a really good look if the Smoke Max isn't working.

Walkerdb7 · February 2

Welp, tried one more time to hit the 5W for piece of mind. Got to see it, haha, but couldn’t hit it.

I took a few more swings today... Swung like a bad day on the course, which is good for testing purposes, and it won again

This was a Foresight Gen 2 maybe? Looked nothing like the CG Quad and the shaft was a Tensei.

I know Club Champion is a premium fitting experience, but I thought HZRDUS was standard issue stuff? Surprised 2 x different PGA SS did not have them?

Order is in, now we wait...

Edited February 2 by Walkerdb7

scotty_2987 · February 9

Any more reviews or updates?

lbhitter · February 17

Played Ping G430 Max 10.5 Driver with Tour Chrome Stiff Flex all last year. Had one of my best driving years ever. This driver is an absolute fairway finder. Not the longest out there but very dependable. My CHS averages about 95mph and I am fairly consistent at hitting up on it about +1 or more AoA. I was on a LM last year and it spun about ~3000 rpm, and the fitter said that was too much spin. I didn't want to change anything because I just liked the results. Gives me a nice mid flight with good roll, in the fairway!

I first purchased a Ping G430 10k with the same shaft to try based on the feedback, believing I would gain a few more yards. The feedback was higher launch but lower spin. However, just the opposite happened. The lower spin caused the 10k to be less forgiving, and I missed several fairways with it. The driver seemed very inconsistent for me, the opposite of the G430 Max.

Enter the TM Qi10Max. Thought I would give it a try. Picked up a 10.5 with a stock Diamana T60 Stiff. Beautiful driver, sits perfectly square to me and looks far better than my Ping. I have about 3 rounds with it, and I am really starting to gel with this driver. It gives me a little higher launch than the G430 Max, more of a mid-high launch, and I am finding it to be ~5-7 yards longer than my Ping. I play the same course mostly so I know where my ball usually ends up. The distance isn't what's attractive to me though, its the forgiveness as advertised. I played with the Qi10Max yesterday and didn't have my best stuff. I hit two bad drives, one on the toe and one on the bottom of the club and both went dead straight where I was aiming.

My take on the Qi10Max is that it is just as forgiving as the G430Max, with a little higher launch and a touch more distance. It also has a really good feel to it, ball just sounds and feels solid coming off the face. Have no idea what the spin numbers are, but it probably spins more and that is probably a good thing for me. Beautiful driver, solid results.

I would recommend adding some version of this TM to your 2024 testing. I don't usually associate forgiveness with TM drivers, but this one is different. Best of luck with your findings.

As an aside. I have TM, PXG, Titleist, Cleveland and Callaway in my bag. Trying to play the stuff that helps me be better.

LB

Edited February 17 by lbhitter

jibbs1082 · February 21

Ended up basically getting a free QI10LS with some old trade ins I had. Didn't get fitted - kept my old shaft from the M4 and put on the Qi10LS head. Ended up going 8deg, probably should have went a little higher but whatever.

Early results - definitely longer than the M4, played in the cold and wind last week and found myself in further spots on the fairway that I have ever been, particularly on center/right, or high/right misses. Found low on the face to be incredibly spinny and low cuts... but somehow for how ugly they looked off the tee, they found the fairway and didn't seem to lack distance for a mishit.

Going to play around with loft and the draw bias weight. Played with it at stock.... currently set to +1.5deg and full draw bias. Will see how that looks on the course. Have a hard time hitting proper numbers in a trackman bay - always feel "congested" in there with driver.

Should note in trackman playing around, swing speed was up a couple mph, and club head felt heavier than the M4.

Edited February 21 by jibbs1082

Walkerdb7 · March 4

Got my clubs. Took them to the range very briefly, like 30 mins...

Data with my Rapsodo 2 on a windy day with range balls. Today, I was swinging terribly, which I think is good for club testing.

Taylormade Qi10 Max

Callaway Epic Max LS

Edited March 4 by Walkerdb7

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