Bag makeup

[SuperSpurs106]

I recently got some Srizon ZX5 MKII irons. The stronger lofts meant a bit of a re-jig for me and I’m currently at 13 clubs, as per the attached photo.

 

I don’t think I need to add a 14th club…unless anyone has any suggestions where I might?

[anth]

Ping 4 hybrid would be the obvious choice.

 

7 degrees is a big gap 

[anth]

The other option is 48/52/56/60 in the wedges 

[SuperSpurs106]

1 minute ago, anth said:

Ping 4 hybrid would be the obvious choice.

 

7 degrees is a big gap 

Yes, agree on the gap but the distance maybe doesn’t warrant one. I’m probably closer to 220 yards with the 3 hybrid thinking about it but at that end of the bag it isn’t a big jump from 3 to 5.

[anth]

Yep all about the distances. If you can manage no need to mess around.

 

I also play those irons - check my signature for setup 

[Thrummyfox]

2 hours ago, anth said:

Ping 4 hybrid would be the obvious choice.

 

7 degrees is a big gap 

I’d agree but the distance gap is pretty good? 

[oskaru]

If you want a 14th club I don't think the top end would be the place to put it.

 

You have a 15 yard gap between PW and 48, 20 yard gap to your 54 and then 15 yards to your 60. Logically if you went to a 48-52-56-60 setup your gaps would come out something like 15-15-10-10. Then again, maybe you're comfortable with taking distance off of the 48.

 

So... your options the way I see it would be:

 

1. Do nothing. Your gaps are fine as is if you're comfortable with taking distance off the 48.

2. Change wedges to 48-52-56-60 as mentioned.

3. Have a second option that overlaps with one of your clubs at the top end. Maybe you could benefit from a driving iron or some other club where you are given the choice of different ball flights for the same distance.

Edited March 15 by oskaru

[RSLP]

Option between the 5&6, or go Mark Crossfield with a chipper😁

[SuperSpurs106]

41 minutes ago, oskaru said:

If you want a 14th club I don't think the top end would be the place to put it.

 

You have a 15 yard gap between PW and 48, 20 yard gap to your 54 and then 15 yards to your 60. Logically if you went to a 48-52-56-60 setup your gaps would come out something like 15-15-15-10. Then again, maybe you're comfortable with taking distance off of the 48.

 

So... your options the way I see it would be:

 

1. Do nothing. Your gaps are fine as is if you're comfortable with taking distance off the 48.

2. Change wedges to 48-52-56-60 as mentioned.

3. Have a second option that overlaps with one of your clubs at the top end. Maybe you could benefit from a driving iron or some other club where you are given the choice of different ball flights for the same distance.

Thanks for your detailed response!

[Springsteennut]

I could get away with 13 clubs. I added a 4 utility a couple of years. Nice to have on short tight par 4s. I actually trust it more on long par 3s than a hybrid off the tee. It is also very handy when I need to hit ball low out of the trees and still want to get some distance out of it.

[SuperSpurs106]

1 hour ago, Springsteennut said:

I could get away with 13 clubs. I added a 4 utility a couple of years. Nice to have on short tight par 4s. I actually trust it more on long par 3s than a hybrid off the tee. It is also very handy when I need to hit ball low out of the trees and still want to get some distance out of it.

Would a Srixon ZX MKII 4 utility fit nicely here?

[hook_or_slice]

19 hours ago, SuperSpurs106 said:

I recently got some Srizon ZX5 MKII irons. The stronger lofts meant a bit of a re-jig for me and I’m currently at 13 clubs, as per the attached photo.

 

I don’t think I need to add a 14th club…unless anyone has any suggestions where I might?

 

For me 13 clubs could never be an option. I'm sure dropping a club wouldn't make a bit of difference in my scores, but I couldn't bring myself to do it.

 

If I had your set, the 3 options I would consider,  in probable order.

 

1. A Srizon ZX5 MKII 50 degree gap wedge ordered 1 degree weak.

 

2. A TM 5 wood that matches your 3 wood.

 

3. A Ping 4 hybrid matching your 3&5.

 

4. Replace the Ping 5 hybrid with a Ping 4 hybrid and Srixon 5 iron.

[lakecowboy]

On 3/15/2024 at 2:14 AM, anth said:

The other option is 48/52/56/60 in the wedges 

This, no brainer

[gator022]

13 hours ago, hook_or_slice said:

 

For me 13 clubs could never be an option. I'm sure dropping a club wouldn't make a bit of difference in my scores, but I couldn't bring myself to do it.

 

If I had your set, the 3 options I would consider,  in probable order.

 

1. A Srizon ZX5 MKII 50 degree gap wedge ordered 1 degree weak.

 

2. A TM 5 wood that matches your 3 wood.

 

3. A Ping 4 hybrid matching your 3&5.

 

4. Replace the Ping 5 hybrid with a Ping 4 hybrid and Srixon 5 iron.

Or get crazy and add a second tee club option or a 64* wedge.

[Mobert19]

On 3/15/2024 at 3:10 AM, SuperSpurs106 said:

I recently got some Srizon ZX5 MKII irons. The stronger lofts meant a bit of a re-jig for me and I’m currently at 13 clubs, as per the attached photo.

 

I don’t think I need to add a 14th club…unless anyone has any suggestions where I might?

I have almost the exact same setup as you with distances and lofts that match as well.

Currently have Ping 3H, ZX5 4i and then ZX5 5i.

I want to try to replace the 4i with a Ping 4H. I think you may benefit from this too and move out the 5H for a 5i

Are your hybrid lengths standard?

[SuperSpurs106]

1 hour ago, Mobert19 said:

I have almost the exact same setup as you with distances and lofts that match as well.

Currently have Ping 3H, ZX5 4i and then ZX5 5i.

I want to try to replace the 4i with a Ping 4H. I think you may benefit from this too and move out the 5H for a 5i

Are your hybrid lengths standard?

Yes, hybrid lengths are standard.

[LeoLeo99]

I'd ask you what club you hit from 105 yds and how confident are you with it?  If you're good, then do nothing.  If you could use a 100yd club then redo your wedge setup.  

[jvincent]

On 3/15/2024 at 3:14 AM, anth said:

The other option is 48/52/56/60 in the wedges 

 

@SuperSpurs106 This would be my vote. 

 

With some small adjustments you'd have 10 yard gaps from 8i down to 60*.

[JMB3]

I would lean wedge setup, but you could also add something to the top of your bag that may have the same yardage as one of the clubs above but a produce a different ball flight, such as a 7w.  

[Mobert19]

2 hours ago, Mobert19 said:

I have almost the exact same setup as you with distances and lofts that match as well.

Currently have Ping 3H, ZX5 4i and then ZX5 5i.

I want to try to replace the 4i with a Ping 4H. I think you may benefit from this too and move out the 5H for a 5i

Are your hybrid lengths standard?

Man, your post got me thinking about this all day now! Have to start another thread!

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

On 3/15/2024 at 2:10 AM, SuperSpurs106 said:

I recently got some Srizon ZX5 MKII irons. The stronger lofts meant a bit of a re-jig for me and I’m currently at 13 clubs, as per the attached photo.

 

I don’t think I need to add a 14th club…unless anyone has any suggestions where I might?

Mildly surprised the 3H and 5H gap that closely, but if they do, they do.

 

You could omit the 54 and go 52/56 in its stead, which would allow you the option of having a very different grind/bounce for one of the new wedges.  I.e., a 12-14° for powdery sand & softer conditions, that you could still pop open if you wanted.  It would chop up the 35 yds gap (115 to 80) into 12s, vs the 20 and 15 you've got now. 

 

Or if you like it the way it is, then no need to mess with it.

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

3 hours ago, Mobert19 said:

I want to try to replace the 4i with a Ping 4H. I think you may benefit from this too and move out the 5H for a 5i

Are your hybrid lengths standard?

I must be a weirdo, because I never am able to get X hybrid to replace the same number iron.  It always goes the distance (or more!) of the next longer iron.  I.e., my 21° 4H easily blasts past my 4-iron (even now) and is still longer than my 3-iron was. 

 

Shrug.  Why we get fitted, I guess.

[hook_or_slice]

1 hour ago, Jayjay_theweim_guy said:

I must be a weirdo, because I never am able to get X hybrid to replace the same number iron.  It always goes the distance (or more!) of the next longer iron.  I.e., my 21° 4H easily blasts past my 4-iron (even now) and is still longer than my 3-iron was. 

 

Shrug.  Why we get fitted, I guess.

 

For years Ping's approach was for the hybrid to go the same distance as the same number iron.

I did the experiment many times hitting my G20 5i and 5h off the tee on the same hole and they were always within less than 5 yards difference,  and the hybrid wasn't always the longer.

 

With my Karsten's 6i and 5h do seem to be only a club difference. 

[Tinkerer]

On 3/15/2024 at 6:10 PM, SuperSpurs106 said:

I recently got some Srizon ZX5 MKII irons. The stronger lofts meant a bit of a re-jig for me and I’m currently at 13 clubs, as per the attached photo.

 

I don’t think I need to add a 14th club…unless anyone has any suggestions where I might?

Similar distances to you for my 13 clubs. See my signature and I also don’t see a gap for an extra club! If you do, add a wedge. Top end looks fine. 

[hook_or_slice]

5 hours ago, gator022 said:

Or get crazy and add a second tee club option or a 64* wedge.

 

I have done both of those things! 

 

Second tee club far more useful than a 64 wedge.

[SuperSpurs106]

6 hours ago, gator022 said:

Or get crazy and add a second tee club option or a 64* wedge.

What do you mean by a second tee club?

[gator022]

23 minutes ago, SuperSpurs106 said:

What do you mean by a second tee club?

A second driver, mini driver, or driving iron. Something as an alternative to your normal full driver. Something that moves the other way or goes a little shorter than your regular driver. It’s really depends on the course you play and if that’s needed. If you don’t have any holes where you don’t need driver or don’t want the ball to move your natural shape then you could do this. @Dan Drake is the king of this specialty.

 

on the wedges I was kind of joking about the 64*. But you may have a shot regularly where it’d help you.

 

If the current wedge gapping doesn’t suit you, you could also go 48-53-58. Tighten it up a few yards each way and still have room for this “specialty” extra club that may change up depending on courses you play.

[eric61]

If you don’t want to go with an extra wedge, I’d reiterate what others suggest and add a second option for a shot you don’t have in your bag — maybe you have the yardage covered, but find yourself sometimes needing more height or a different shot shape or whatever you struggle with.

 

Bad chipper? Add a chipper. Struggle off the tee on windy days? Driving iron. Can’t stop the ball on greens on par 5s? 7 wood. Can’t turn it over off the tee? Secondary draw-biased driver, maybe even with a softer-tipped shaft. And so on, you get the picture.

[CTgamer]

On 3/15/2024 at 3:10 AM, SuperSpurs106 said:

I recently got some Srizon ZX5 MKII irons. The stronger lofts meant a bit of a re-jig for me and I’m currently at 13 clubs, as per the attached photo.

 

I don’t think I need to add a 14th club…unless anyone has any suggestions where I might?

My .02 - If you hit a 26* hybrid 200, then your 3hybrid, 3wood, and driver go significantly shorter than they should. That’s also the reason why there’s no clear yardage gap with only 13 clubs. 
 

As many have said, if you’re happy with those yardages, a fourth wedge is the obvious addition. But depending on your chipping and approach play, you might not get any extra value from it. 
 

From personal reference, my carry yardages are similar to yours up to 5 iron:

-26* 5 iron around 200

-22* 4 iron 215

-19* driving iron 230

-14* 3 wood 255

-9* driver 280

 

if I were you, I’d look into why the yardages at the top end of your bag are short
 

 

 

Edited March 16 by CTgamer

[Thrummyfox]

9 hours ago, hook_or_slice said:

 

For years Ping's approach was for the hybrid to go the same distance as the same number iron.

I did the experiment many times hitting my G20 5i and 5h off the tee on the same hole and they were always within less than 5 yards difference,  and the hybrid wasn't always the longer.

 

With my Karsten's 6i and 5h do seem to be only a club difference. 

I find this too, though my hybrid shots launch higher and are much more consistent. Also the dispersion between best and worse is far less obvious with the hybrid.