US Olympics Golf Team

[bcjim]

As stated many times by many posters,  it is the unwillingness of liv to make very modest changes that has resulted in their owgr situation. 

 

Further,  I would direct everyone's attention to WCs actual record of a win,  two seconds and a third this year. All in big events.  If you want to replace someone,  Morikawa is the one.  

[LimaSierra]

5 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

If they chose the team via OGWR fine.....After 3 years of LIV now i don't get why we still have to do the mental gymnastics. You either hate it or tolerate it (no one really loves it) and we've heard all of the arguments 100x by now

 

But these are still golfers playing golf according to the rules of golf. And no rational person thinks that right now Bryson isn't better than Wyndam Clark after going 6,2,1 in the majors this year. If you want him out of the Olympics it's not because you think Clark is better. And that is perfectly fine. 

 

If you want a weaker team to hold up some high ground, OK. But it's a weaker team. It just is what it is

 

 

Clark has never been close to Bryson as a player. Even with his major 

[cdnglf]

6 hours ago, Dutch1008 said:

 

I have no idea what datagolf thinks about OWGR but saying something is better or worse can only be defined in its relation to its goal. Data golf's goal is to truly rank golfers based on past performance. It's a very simple model. It's simply strokes gained but adjusted for field strength. OWGR is not all that different except they artificially boost the points for the Majors and the Players Championship. 

 

I think it's fine to boost points for the majors or Players when you're talking about things like the FedEx Cup points list. I don't think that manipulation is warranted when simply ranking players. 

 

For example, TPC Sawgrass is a major championship venue. Maybe you love it or hate it, but it certainly a more demanding and exacting test than a place like Valahalla. Further, prior to the LIV split, The Players was universally considered to be the strongest field in golf. No amateur exemptions or past their prime champs like the Masters. No collection of club pros like the PGA, no batch of open qualifiers like the USO or Open Championship. The Players was the top 150 humans walking the planet and competing on a major caliber course. With that backdrop, why would it garner fewer OWGR points than a major championship? It's statistically harder to win. 

 

That type of manipulation is fine, when it's used for qualification criteria and agreed to by the other professional tours and ruling bodies as part of OWGR. They've made a conscious decision to give extra rewards to players for their performance in majors. But I don't think it's fine when we're simply talking about who's the best golfer? Is X better than Y. Random manipulations in the data simply muddy that discussion.  

 

A bit of pedantry...

 

By the old OWGR the Players was generally a bit weaker than the PGA (and sometimes the other full-field majors)

 

The Players wasn't exactly the top 150 humans walking the planet - more like the current top 50 (unless Westwood was cranky that year), plus the Senior Players Champion, and 93 guys from 51 to ~250 (or more, if a recent major winner had fallen on hard times). It didn't have as many 51-100 players as the PGA, because Euro Tour guys in that range didn't get an invite. By contrast, the PGA explicitly included the OWGR top 75 and effectively would end up very close to all the top 100.

 

Also, full-field majors have 156 while the Players has 144; the 12 extra spots mostly negates the presence of non-competitive old champs, club pros, etc

 

Edited June 19 by cdnglf

[Cactus Jack]

Majors are the only tournaments that matter on all tours. Something like this would be infinitely better than OGWR. 
 

[JungleJimbo]

 

 

[sdiver68]

This is very simple.  OWGR has a board of directors dominated by the PGA and their partners.  The PGA does not want to lose any more control than they already have, so has weaponized OWGR against LIV. That includes the Olympics.

 

Any other explanation beyond politics is pure fantasy.  In a few years it will all be public and we will see how well these posts age. 

 

BTW, the 72 hole rule "study" is as valid as Phillip Morris studies that smoking does no harm.

 

Chairman - Peter Dawson CBE (PGA European Tour Group )

Augusta National Golf Club - Will Jones, Executive Director

PGA European Tour Group - Keith Pelley, Chief Executive

PGA of America - Seth Waugh, Chief Executive Officer

PGA Tour - Jay Monahan, Commissioner

The R&A - Martin Slumbers, Chief Executive

USGA (and LPGA) - Mike Whan, Chief Executive Officer

International Federation of PGA Tours - Keith Waters

 

 

 

Edited June 19 by sdiver68

[cdnglf]

31 minutes ago, sdiver68 said:

This is very simple.  OWGR has a board of directors dominated by the PGA and their partners.  The PGA does not want to lose any more control than they already have, so has weaponized OWGR against LIV. That includes the Olympics.

 

Any other explanation beyond politics is pure fantasy.  In a few years it will all be public and we will see how well these posts age. 

 

BTW, the 72 hole rule "study" is as valid as Phillip Morris studies that smoking does no harm.

 

Chairman - Peter Dawson CBE (PGA European Tour Group )

Augusta National Golf Club - Will Jones, Executive Director

PGA European Tour Group - Keith Pelley, Chief Executive

PGA of America - Seth Waugh, Chief Executive Officer

PGA Tour - Jay Monahan, Commissioner

The R&A - Martin Slumbers, Chief Executive

USGA (and LPGA) - Mike Whan, Chief Executive Officer

International Federation of PGA Tours - Keith Waters

 

 

 

These same men also conspired against the PGA Tour Champions to exclude it the from OWGR.

[MtlJeff]

37 minutes ago, sdiver68 said:

This is very simple.  OWGR has a board of directors dominated by the PGA and their partners.  The PGA does not want to lose any more control than they already have, so has weaponized OWGR against LIV. That includes the Olympics.

 

Any other explanation beyond politics is pure fantasy.  In a few years it will all be public and we will see how well these posts age. 

 

BTW, the 72 hole rule "study" is as valid as Phillip Morris studies that smoking does no harm.

 

Chairman - Peter Dawson CBE (PGA European Tour Group )

Augusta National Golf Club - Will Jones, Executive Director

PGA European Tour Group - Keith Pelley, Chief Executive

PGA of America - Seth Waugh, Chief Executive Officer

PGA Tour - Jay Monahan, Commissioner

The R&A - Martin Slumbers, Chief Executive

USGA (and LPGA) - Mike Whan, Chief Executive Officer

International Federation of PGA Tours - Keith Waters

 

 

 

 

That list is not current, to make sure it isn't completely one-sided... they recently added a mustachiod , sombrero wearing man named Jose Monahano and also a bratwurst loving gentleman named Juergen Monahansmann. The 2 new men both were selected based on their success in truth telling competitions, and their respective PhDs in fairness, according to bios

[CasualLie]

21 hours ago, SheriffBooth said:

They really just need to expand the field and have the women play in Week 1 and the men play in Week 2 or vice versa.  Limiting the fields to 60 total players just hamstrings the event and makes winning gold less meaningful.

 

Until Talor plays for gold, the event will always be less meaningful and need an *

 

I'm in the camp of "who cares" about Olympic golf?!  Not to get in the ageless debate of "are golfers really athletes", but having golf in the Olympics is like trying to find a backdoor way to get a medal because they can't swim/run lightning fast.

 

The top golfers are on such a hectic schedule, they really don't absorb the full Olympic village experience or Team camraderie (very few exceptions), so why have them?  

 

And did anyone catch Xander's intro at the US Open?  The starter included "the reigning Olympic gold champion"... Huh?  Never heard that intro before for any Olympic athlete.  (The "reigning" part).

 

I really like the idea of having a qualifier to pick the team.  It may not get the US the boost in medal count (but neither is taking the top 4 from rankings), but it would be cool to have a team of golfers who really have the spirit as their motivation and winning a medal from their perspective would be all the more sweet.

 

Oh.. And, yes, put Bryson on the team.  I'm sure the ever corrupt Olympic committees can work that out in a way to make it look good.

Edited June 19 by CasualLie

[Dave230]

9 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

Majors are the only tournaments that matter on all tours. Something like this would be infinitely better than OGWR. 
 

Three of the four players on the team would be the same as those wicked Official World Golf Rankings. 5th in both for America was Cantlay. So it's not actually that different. DeChambeau has managed to get to 10th in the world rankings without playing any other qualifying events anyway.

[MountainKing]

5 minutes ago, CasualLie said:

 

Until Talor plays for gold, the event will always be less meaningful and need an *

 

I'm in the camp of "who cares" about Olympic golf?!  Not to get in the ageless debate of "are golfers really athletes", but having golf in the Olympics is like trying to find a backdoor way to get a medal because they can't swim/run lightning fast.

 

The top golfers are on such a hectic schedule, they really don't absorb the full Olympic village experience or Team camraderie (very few exceptions), so why have them?  

 

And did anyone catch Xander's into at the US Open?  The starter included "the reigning Olympic gold champion"... Huh?  Never heard that intro before for any Olympic athlete.  (The "reigning" part).

 

I really like the idea of having a qualifier to pick the team.  It may not get the US the boost in medal count (but neither is taking the top 4 from rankings), but it would be cool to have a team of golfers who really have the spirit as their motivation and winning a medal from their perspective would be all the more sweet.

 

Oh.. And, yes, put Bryson on the team.  I'm sure the ever corrupt Olympic committees can work that out in a way to make it look good.

 

You'd have just as many people complaining about the qualifier -say the US Open was the qualifier, US team would be :

 

 

Bryson

Patrick Cantlay

Tony Finau

Russell Henley

 

 

Not really sure that's a stronger team than what we have using OWGR.   If OWGR is important to the LIV guys - then they should be playing on their off weeks in events they can go out and earn them.  They made the choice, they know what they were getting into and they know the current state of this.  Instead of sitting at home complaining, they should be working on their games so they can perform in the majors, and go play in other events around the world that they can get into and get those points.  Honestly - I think most of these guys are happy with their bank accounts and working a lot less and could care less about anything related to professional golf outside of just doing what they have to do.

 

 

[MountainKing]

8 minutes ago, Dave230 said:

Three of the four players on the team would be the same as those wicked Official World Golf Rankings. 5th in both for America was Cantlay. So it's not actually that different. DeChambeau has managed to get to 10th in the world rankings without playing any other qualifying events anyway.

 

I always love when people think they're really doing something - then the result isn't that much different to begin with.  I think that shows right there that the OWGR, while it has it's faults, is a pretty okay system.

[cdnglf]

7 minutes ago, MountainKing said:

 

You'd have just as many people complaining about the qualifier -say the US Open was the qualifier, US team would be :

 

 

Bryson

Patrick Cantlay

Tony Finau

Russell Henley

 

 

Not really sure that's a stronger team than what we have using OWGR.   If OWGR is important to the LIV guys - then they should be playing on their off weeks in events they can go out and earn them.  They made the choice, they know what they were getting into and they know the current state of this.  Instead of sitting at home complaining, they should be working on their games so they can perform in the majors, and go play in other events around the world that they can get into and get those points.  Honestly - I think most of these guys are happy with their bank accounts and working a lot less and could care less about anything related to professional golf outside of just doing what they have to do.

 

 

 

That's if you got lucky. In all likelihood, you'd have way more people complaining about the qualifier because the outcomes would be much worse.

If it was 18 or 36 holes, you could easily end up with a bunch of randos. More than that, and a lot of the star players aren't even going to enter.

 

A qualifier relies on a much smaller sample than the qualifying system already in place. Doesn't solve anything.

Edited June 19 by cdnglf

[GoGoErky]

1 hour ago, sdiver68 said:

This is very simple.  OWGR has a board of directors dominated by the PGA and their partners.  The PGA does not want to lose any more control than they already have, so has weaponized OWGR against LIV. That includes the Olympics.

 

Any other explanation beyond politics is pure fantasy.  In a few years it will all be public and we will see how well these posts age. 

 

BTW, the 72 hole rule "study" is as valid as Phillip Morris studies that smoking does no harm.

 

Chairman - Peter Dawson CBE (PGA European Tour Group )

Augusta National Golf Club - Will Jones, Executive Director

PGA European Tour Group - Keith Pelley, Chief Executive

PGA of America - Seth Waugh, Chief Executive Officer

PGA Tour - Jay Monahan, Commissioner

The R&A - Martin Slumbers, Chief Executive

USGA (and LPGA) - Mike Whan, Chief Executive Officer

International Federation of PGA Tours - Keith Waters

 

 

 

Despite all that bias they gave the LIv tour some simple criteria to start earning points. LIV said no thanks we want our closed door approach to who gets to play. So sounds like the only politics is from the LIV tour leadership wanting to play by their rules.

 

To the bolded pet it isn’t aging well for the hour it’s been up. The OWGR opened the door and LIV chose to not walkthrough it. The only explanation is LIV wants to do their own thing and anyone blaming anybody but LIV leadership is dilusional

[MountainKing]

Just now, cdnglf said:

 

That's if you got lucky. In all likelihood, you'd have way more people complaining about the qualifier because the outcomes would be much worse.

If it was 18 or 36 holes, you could easily end up with a bunch of randos. More than 18 holes, and a lot of the star players aren't even going to enter.

 

A qualifier relies on a much smaller sample than the qualifying system already in place. Doesn't solve anything.

 

Oh yeah I didn't even bother going down the path of "Bob Jones" randomly shooting a 62 to get in while the top 10 players in the world all laid an egg.  The qualifier would have to be a tournament already on the schedule, a major (that isn't the masters) making the most sense.  These guys already have busy schedules so to try and figure out when they could have a qualifier and get the tour guys there would be impossible. 

If it was the PGA we'd have piles of complaints about JT being on the team. 
Xander
Bryson
Colin
JT

 

If it was a selection process you'd have complaints about that being biased in some way (see Zach Johnson taking Justin Thomas).    OWGR just lets the guys play, and the chips fall where they fall.  If you didn't get enough points over two years, that's on you.

[sdiver68]

17 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

Despite all that bias they gave the LIv tour some simple criteria to start earning points. LIV said no thanks we want our closed door approach to who gets to play. So sounds like the only politics is from the LIV tour leadership wanting to play by their rules.

 

To the bolded pet it isn’t aging well for the hour it’s been up. The OWGR opened the door and LIV chose to not walkthrough it. The only explanation is LIV wants to do their own thing and anyone blaming anybody but LIV leadership is dilusional

 

Delusional?  Yes you are.  PGA's OWGR board tried to force their (tournament) format on LIV and they said no, that's not our competitive model:

 

"They’re just not playing in a format where they can be ranked equitably with the other 24 tours and thousands of players trying to compete on them,” Peter Dawson - Chairman OWGR

Edited June 19 by sdiver68

[GoGoErky]

8 minutes ago, sdiver68 said:

 

Delusional?  Yes you are.  PGA's OWGR board tried to force their (tournament) format on LIV and they said no, that's not our competitive model:

 

"They’re just not playing in a format where they can be ranked equitably with the other 24 tours and thousands of players trying to compete on them,” Peter Dawson - Chairman OWGR

The biggest contention was the ability for people to replaced on the tour.

 

The ultimate decision was that LIV chose to not adopt what the OWGR board offered them. Its LIV saying no then pulling their application all together. This is all on LIV leadership and nobody else.

 

They literally came in with the goal of disrupting the golfing world. They had no intention of following anyone’s rules. The only reason that they applied for owgr points is because their members who believed Norman lost their battle and weren’t getting points, plus the public crying that these guys who made a choice to go play elsewhere were dropping in the rankings. LIV can have their cake and it too. 
 

100% on LIV and nobody else. Blaming anyone else is passing the buck 

[mosesgolf]

1 hour ago, CasualLie said:

 

Until Talor plays for gold, the event will always be less meaningful and need an *

 

I'm in the camp of "who cares" about Olympic golf?!  Not to get in the ageless debate of "are golfers really athletes", but having golf in the Olympics is like trying to find a backdoor way to get a medal because they can't swim/run lightning fast.

 

The top golfers are on such a hectic schedule, they really don't absorb the full Olympic village experience or Team camraderie (very few exceptions), so why have them?  

 

And did anyone catch Xander's intro at the US Open?  The starter included "the reigning Olympic gold champion"... Huh?  Never heard that intro before for any Olympic athlete.  (The "reigning" part).

 

I really like the idea of having a qualifier to pick the team.  It may not get the US the boost in medal count (but neither is taking the top 4 from rankings), but it would be cool to have a team of golfers who really have the spirit as their motivation and winning a medal from their perspective would be all the more sweet.

 

Oh.. And, yes, put Bryson on the team.  I'm sure the ever corrupt Olympic committees can work that out in a way to make it look good.

What are your thoughts on curling at the Winter Olympics? lol

 

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/sports

 

Take your pick of some really silly Olympic Sports.  Trampoline comes to mind.  Canoe Sprints, Canoe Slalom, Artistic Swimming, some of the silly ones depending on one's mindset.  

 

Olympics Golf way more compelling on a golf board than the aforementioned above.

Edited June 19 by mosesgolf

[sdiver68]

35 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

The biggest contention was the ability for people to replaced on the tour.

 

The ultimate decision was that LIV chose to not adopt what the OWGR board offered them. Its LIV saying no then pulling their application all together. This is all on LIV leadership and nobody else.

 

They literally came in with the goal of disrupting the golfing world. They had no intention of following anyone’s rules. The only reason that they applied for owgr points is because their members who believed Norman lost their battle and weren’t getting points, plus the public crying that these guys who made a choice to go play elsewhere were dropping in the rankings. LIV can have their cake and it too. 
 

100% on LIV and nobody else. Blaming anyone else is passing the buck 

 

Don't let facts get in the way of your thought process. 

[smashdn]

25 minutes ago, mosesgolf said:

What are your thoughts on curling at the Winter Olympics? lol

 

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/sports

 

Take your pick of some really silly Olympic Sports.  Trampoline comes to mind.  Canoe Sprints, Canoe Slalom, Artistic Swimming, some of the silly ones depending on one's mindset.  

 

Olympics Golf way more compelling on a golf board than the aforementioned above.

 

Any sport that requires a judge to issue a score is suspect in my opinion.  Give me sports that are measurable, races, actual sports with scoring like basketball, baseball and golf.  Keep the subjective "that was a good dive" or "they performed their routine well" out of it to the greatest extent possible.  

[geauxt]

27 minutes ago, sdiver68 said:

 

Don't let facts get in the way of your thought process. 

And they say irony is dead

[mosesgolf]

1 hour ago, GoGoErky said:

Despite all that bias they gave the LIv tour some simple criteria to start earning points. LIV said no thanks we want our closed door approach to who gets to play. So sounds like the only politics is from the LIV tour leadership wanting to play by their rules.

 

To the bolded pet it isn’t aging well for the hour it’s been up. The OWGR opened the door and LIV chose to not walkthrough it. The only explanation is LIV wants to do their own thing and anyone blaming anybody but LIV leadership is dilusional

After further reflection on how some of the LIV players have been performing at the majors(Phil t2 2023 Masters, Brooks PGA win 2023, Bryson's win 2024 plus how he's played at the 2024 Masters & PGA) it does seem rather silly that events that have players like John Rahm, Bryson, Brooks, and some other notables gets 0 world ranking points.  Yes there is a criteria 72 holes etc.  BUT is that criteria really true in its current setup to rank the world's best players?  IMO it is not.  

 

Back in the day there was a Cuban boxer named Teofilo Stevenson who won the Olympic Gold medal(heavyweight boxing) at the 72 76 80 Olympics.  Many would argue he could've been heavyweight champion of the world if not for the Cold War and he was definitely one of the best boxers in the world during his prime.  

 

Any system that manages to exclude Rahm, Brooks, & Bryson for whatever system is set in place is imo not legitimate.  So they can go to an Asian Tour event that has a much weaker field than a LIV Tour event and get world ranking points there.  But play a LIV event and get zip.  That just doesn't sit right with me.

 

I personally don't like LIV Golf but they do have a lot of the best players in the world.  That is undeniable.  

Edited June 19 by mosesgolf

[GoGoErky]

40 minutes ago, sdiver68 said:

 

Don't let facts get in the way of your thought process. 

That would be you.

 

LIV said no to owgr points  there’s nobody else to blame than them for not getting ranking points, not the ones who offered them a solution.

 

[jdl]

1 hour ago, sdiver68 said:

 

Delusional?  Yes you are.  PGA's OWGR board tried to force their (tournament) format on LIV and they said no, that's not our competitive model:

 

"They’re just not playing in a format where they can be ranked equitably with the other 24 tours and thousands of players trying to compete on them,” Peter Dawson - Chairman OWGR

 

Dawson said the board committee felt LIV Golf’s tournament format – 54-hole, no-cut events for 48 players – was an issue but added that it was one that was capable of being managed through an “appropriate mathematical formula”.

The board did not make a determination what that adjustment might be and will not do so while there are other “unresolved deficiencies” which render performance comparisons with players competing in existing OWGR Tour events extremely difficult.

The bigger concern, according to the letter, is the limited access for players to join LIV Golf which, barring injury, features the same 48 players all season.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/11/liv-golf-world-ranking-points-bid-lost-owgr

Edited June 19 by jdl

[sdiver68]

4 minutes ago, jdl said:

 

Dawson said the board committee felt LIV Golf’s tournament format – 54-hole, no-cut events for 48 players – was an issue but added that it was one that was capable of being managed through an “appropriate mathematical formula”.

The board did not make a determination what that adjustment might be and will not do so while there are other “unresolved deficiencies” which render performance comparisons with players competing in existing OWGR Tour events extremely difficult.

The bigger concern, according to the letter, is the limited access for players to join LIV Golf which, barring injury, features the same 48 players all season.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/11/liv-golf-world-ranking-points-bid-lost-owgr

 

Thanks for actually furthering the discussion. 

 

On the face of it, there have been new players added during this year's LIV schedule.

 

Let me ask, can anyone without a PGA card play in a PGA event, absent a sponsor exemption?

 

And how often are PGA cards granted?

Edited June 19 by sdiver68

[GoGoErky]

10 minutes ago, mosesgolf said:

After further reflection on how some of the LIV players have been performing at the majors(Phil t2 2023 Masters, Brooks PGA win 2023, Bryson's win 2024 plus how he's played at the 2024 Masters & PGA) it does seem rather silly that events that have players like John Rahm, Bryson, Brooks, and some other notables gets 0 world ranking points.  Yes there is a criteria 72 holes etc.  BUT is that criteria really true in its current setup to rank the world's best players?  IMO it is not.  

 

Back in the day there was a Cuban boxer named Teofilo Stevenson who won the Olympic Gold medal(heavyweight boxing) at the 72 76 80 Olympics.  Many would argue he could've been heavyweight champion of the world if not for the Cold War and he was definitely one of the best boxers in the world during his prime.  

 

Any system that manages to exclude Rahm, Brooks, & Bryson for whatever system is set in place is imo not legitimate.  So they can go to an Asian Tour event that has a much weaker field than a LIV Tour event and get world ranking points there.  But play a LIV event and get zip.  That just doesn't sit right with me.

 

I personally don't like LIV Golf but they do have a lot of the best players in the world.  That is undeniable.  

It’s not even the 72 holes or the shotgun start. The OWGR wasn’t going to make them change that. The biggest issue was the closed door process for getting on tour and not removing under performing members.

 

It makes perfect sense that events with those guys in it aren’t getting points.

 

Norman wanted to disrupt the golfing world and the saudis backed the idea. They wanted nothing to do with the current system. Norman lied to the pga tour members that came over in the initial wave. He convinced them they would not get suspended and would be able to pay on the pga and dp tours, so ranking points would still be earned. The tours showed them that Norman was wrong and they got left out.

 

LIV changed their tune a little and applied for owgr acceptance. Owgr did the review process and asked the liv tour to make some changes. They refused the owgr and then eventually pulled their application. LIV wants to do their own thing and have let their members flap in the wind.

 

It’s real simple for the members of liv to get points, play on a tour that gets points awarded for their events. The players are partly to blame for chasing money and being naive enough to listen to Norman.

if you don’t like the way it sits blame liv leadership. They are the only reason other than their members who risked it by leaving the pga and dp world tours

[mosesgolf]

4 minutes ago, jdl said:

 

Dawson said the board committee felt LIV Golf’s tournament format – 54-hole, no-cut events for 48 players – was an issue but added that it was one that was capable of being managed through an “appropriate mathematical formula”.

The board did not make a determination what that adjustment might be and will not do so while there are other “unresolved deficiencies” which render performance comparisons with players competing in existing OWGR Tour events extremely difficult.

The bigger concern, according to the letter, is the limited access for players to join LIV Golf which, barring injury, features the same 48 players all season.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/11/liv-golf-world-ranking-points-bid-lost-owgr

But do those LIV players deserve ZERO?  Bryson shot a 58 in the final round to win a LIV event.  That deserves ZERO?

 

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/38145490/bryson-dechambeau-shoots-liv-golf-first-58-take-victory

[jdl]

4 minutes ago, sdiver68 said:

 

Thanks for actually furthering the discussion. 

 

On the face of it, there have been new players during this year's schedule.

 

Let me ask, can anyone without a PGA card play in a PGA event, absent a sponsor exemption?

 

And how often are PGA cards granted?

https://www.pgatour.com/eligibility

 

PGA TOUR Q-School presented by Korn Ferry is the most direct way to earn status, offering PGA TOUR cards (for the top five finishers and ties) 

 

 

PGA TOUR Americas feeds into the Korn Ferry Tour, which feeds to the PGA TOUR – with 30 TOUR cards awarded after each Korn Ferry Tour season.

 

Special Temporary Membership

High-achieving players without TOUR status can earn Special Temporary Membership by earning equivalent non-member FedExCup points to No. 150 on the prior year’s standings.

 

Ten PGA TOUR cards are available to the highest-ranked players in the final Race to Dubai standings who don’t already hold PGA TOUR status 

Monday qualifying

Several PGA TOUR events offer four spots via an 18-hole qualifying event, which usually occurs on Monday of tournament week.

Edited June 19 by jdl

[sdiver68]

Just now, jdl said:

https://www.pgatour.com/eligibility

 

So generally a once per year process, with a few small exceptions. Correct?

[GoGoErky]

1 minute ago, sdiver68 said:

 

So generally a once per year process, with a few small exceptions. Correct?

Theres also situations like Spieth who got an invite and played well without a card and earned his card through performing well enough to meet the criteria.

 

Win and event and you get two year exemption and membership like the smarter who won several weeks back.

 

7 minutes ago, sdiver68 said:

 

Thanks for actually furthering the discussion. 

 

On the face of it, there have been new players added during this year's LIV schedule.

 

Let me ask, can anyone without a PGA card play in a PGA event, absent a sponsor exemption?

 

And how often are PGA cards granted?

weird that we have been saying the same thing about the owgr giving liv the steps to get points and you hung to your notion that there was some bias from the board and used a quote to prove your point and that quote didn’t affect what the owgr did.

 

Maybe had you read the decision from the owgr yourself you would see it’s all on liv leadership not the owgr for the situation their players are in