Can anyone PROVE the RBZ is longer?

[M-Stamp]

Any smash factor info?

Has anybody compared smash factor numbers between the RBZ and other 3 woods on a good launch monitor? A higher smash factor is the ONLY way a 3 wood can hit be claimed to hit the longer than others. That is, the only way you can claim a 3 wood is longer is to prove that it has a hotter face. All other launch conditions that determines distance of the club (launch angle, back spin, etc.) can be controlled through club fitting (loft, different shafts, flex, etc.)

[gken]

That is a good point. I know everyone says its longer, but then they say they have been custom fit. Is JUST the face really hotter?

[jdhallissey]

No it is not. Side by side with your favorite three wood/driver with the same launch and everything (close too) the ball is going to same distance. It is all marketing hype.

[floyd]

[quote name='jdhallissey' timestamp='1328866907' post='4250923']
No it is not. Side by side with your favorite three wood/driver with the same launch and everything (close too) the ball is going to same distance. It is all marketing hype.
[/quote]

I agree, if it is 20-30 yards longer that means I will be hitting a three wood 290 yards.

[mcain61]

I hit 20 balls with my current Taylormade 3 wood 2008 Burner TP and my average clubhead speed was 96 mph with average carry distance of 228-232 which is very accurate with on course conditions then i hit the RBZ 3 wood with clubhead speed of 100 and average carry distance of 248-254 a gain of 20 yards! I was very surprised with the results but that 3 wood felt very solid and much better feel than my current 3 wood.

[HisAirness]

afaik does the biggest part of the distance win come from a higher COR face - compared to the older TM fairway woods. There are some heads with limit reaching COR faces around since a few years, one of the (if not the) first companies was Tom Wishon Golf Tech. So the longer distance marketing does only fit for their own clubs.

[starsail85]

4 mph is going to give you ten to twelve yards, dont underestimate clubhead speed

[TCMP]

[quote name='mcain61' timestamp='1328873661' post='4251049']
I hit 20 balls with my current Taylormade 3 wood 2008 Burner TP and my average clubhead speed was 96 mph with average carry distance of 228-232 which is very accurate with on course conditions then i hit the RBZ 3 wood with clubhead speed of 100 and average carry distance of 248-254 a gain of 20 yards! I was very surprised with the results but that 3 wood felt very solid and much better feel than my current 3 wood.


[/quote]

Your club head speed went up 4mph. So at the same smash factor, the ball would go 10-12 yards further just from swing speed alone. Add a little better launch angle and spin rate and there you have it.

[opsimpson]

I hit the RBZ driver against my SF 2.0 . Both stock shafts and 9.5 loft. Average ball speed with 2.0 was 148 and average ball speed with RBZ was 153. An overall distance gain of about 15 yards. I know you were asking for the samash factor but those are the only numbers I can remember unless I call the wife and ask her to read it to me while I am at work.

[Llortamaisey]

[quote name='jdhallissey' timestamp='1328866907' post='4250923']
No it is not. Side by side with your favorite three wood/driver with the same launch and everything (close too) the ball is going to same distance. It is all marketing hype.
[/quote]

That's not true! I saw it with my own eyes. I watched videos on YouTube of people going to the release at the pgatss and they were gaining 40 and 50 yards. They would get money for how ever much they increased their yardage.

Rocketnutz is going to solve the world's energy crisis, just watch.

[Dizz]

[quote name='mizunostaffer' timestamp='1328876655' post='4251133']
4 mph is going to give you ten to twelve yards, dont underestimate clubhead speed
[/quote]

Longer length = faster swing speed + same contact = more ball speed. With that said, the RBZ head is very good...

[1tondriver]

they were gaining 40 and 50 yards.

 

I have a hard time beleiving that

 

 

 

[GooseHook]

OP has a valid point, but a couple things to keep in mind:
[list=1][*]The 3w is 43.5" long, and the club has a light overall weight, so players may gain a couple mph in their swing.[*]The design may lead to better ballspeeds all over the face, so those who "are killing it" may just be experiencing something more forgiving than their current fairway wood.[/list]

[Vindog]

[quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1328879450' post='4251265']
OP has a valid point, but a couple things to keep in mind:
[list=1][*]The 3w is 43.5" long, and the club has a light overall weight, so players may gain a couple mph in their swing.[*]The design may lead to better ballspeeds all over the face, so those who "are killing it" may just be experiencing something more forgiving than their current fairway wood.[/list]
[/quote]

good points

[tbowles411]

they were gaining 40 and 50 yards.

 

I have a hard time beleiving that

Not so fast.

 

I watched a fitting at out local store with their fancy flight track laser thing. My buddy put a RBZ 10.5 in this guys hand after watching him hit a Razr Hawk and he gained 51 yards of total distance. Compared to how he was hitting his previous driver, it not only had better launch conditions, it straightened him out. Even last year coming from my old driver to the R11, I added 31 yards. So it can happen, but as true with any club, not every club works for everyone. You just have to see what works.

[tbomb]

Someone should make a 47 inch 3 wood with a 12* head and put it up against the RBZ and see which is longer....you may think I'm joking, but this is essentially what Taylor Made has been doing to us for years. Taylor Made has taken advantage of the ignorant consumer but jacking lengths and lofts for a while now...

So let's take the new TEE 12* 3 wood with a long shaft and watch it blow the RBZ out of the water...

[muxi87]

I'm a TM fan, but here's the straight truth:

With a perfectly fit SFTP 2.0 and an identically setup RBZ Tour, I anticipate you will gain 5-7 yards with the same strike.

With balls hit on other parts of the face, I expect a slightly bigger gain with the RBZ.

If the average consumer goes from just a standard off the rack fwy such as last year's Burner to the new RBZ, they will see substantial gains. That's where the 17+ yards comes from. 1) The RBZ is hotter on a wider span of the face...so an average golfer that hits it all over the face will see a huge difference in normal play. 2) The RBZ is a hair longer and does deliver a higher COR. It will produce longer shots than your average fwy.

You have to remember, there's only a very small population of the golfing public that uses Flightscopes to be fit and/or have an obsession with custom fit equipment. To the huge, vast majority of the golfing public, going from stock fwy to stock fwy, the RBZ will blow them away. That is the population that TM is really marketing to. That's where they make most of their money.

I'll know more when my RBZ Tour gets here and I can test it straight head to head against my SFTP 2.0. I love my SFTP 2.0. I will not make the change unless Flightscope tells me there is an advantage by swapping. The same is true for my driver. I DO NOT anticipate switching drivers. I think last year's SFTP 2.0 L will still provide the best numbers for me. I DO anticipate making the switch in my 3 and 5 woods.

[smackygolf]

[quote name='tbomb' timestamp='1328880433' post='4251331']
Someone should make a 47 inch 3 wood with a 12* head and put it up against the RBZ and see which is longer....you may think I'm joking, but this is essentially what Taylor Made has been doing to us for years. Taylor Made has taken advantage of the ignorant consumer but jacking lengths and lofts for a while now...

So let's take the new TEE 12* 3 wood with a long shaft and watch it blow the RBZ out of the water...
[/quote]


Ah yes. The ignorant consumer. I'm not sure what is worse, the people claiming 50 yards of difference, or the d-bags trying show how cool they are by calling someone else "the ignorant consumer." Both types of clowns show up in every one of these threads, and I have to say the guy acting like he's cool, and if you like this fwy wood you are ignorant, is the current d-bag leader in the clubhouse.

[tbowles411]

[quote name='smackygolf' timestamp='1328881772' post='4251409']
[quote name='tbomb' timestamp='1328880433' post='4251331']
Someone should make a 47 inch 3 wood with a 12* head and put it up against the RBZ and see which is longer....you may think I'm joking, but this is essentially what Taylor Made has been doing to us for years. Taylor Made has taken advantage of the ignorant consumer but jacking lengths and lofts for a while now...

So let's take the new TEE 12* 3 wood with a long shaft and watch it blow the RBZ out of the water...
[/quote]


Ah yes. The ignorant consumer. I'm not sure what is worse, the people claiming 50 yards of difference, or the d-bags trying show how cool they are by calling someone else "the ignorant consumer." Both types of clowns show up in every one of these threads, and I have to say the guy acting like he's cool, and if you like this fwy wood you are ignorant, is the current d-bag leader in the clubhouse.
[/quote]
My vote is for "ignorant consumer."

No one knows how or what works for any golfer until they try it. I just watched a guy with my own peepers launch bombs with a RBZ when nothing else was working for him. That was his club. People swear by Callaway, TM, Nike, etc. They use those clubs because they just work for them. Every OEM is "guilty" of making claims of massive distance. They're a business and trying to sell their product. What do you expect them to say? "Make marginal gains with Rocketballz! Add 2 yards of distance over the SF 2.0!" Come on people! Quit slamming club manufactuers because they're trying to sell you something. That's what a busines does. Until you go try it, you'll never know, then you can see for yourself is the claim is true...for YOU and YOUR game.

[Clubtuner]

I have to say that most of the hype is marketing.
The only way for you to find out of it's longer or more forgiving for anyone is
to go put it side by side up against your present fairway or driver on a good launch monitor
FlightScope, Trackman and outside where you can see and actually track the flight of the ball.
Then and only then will be able to decide if it's "all that" or not.
You are not going to find this out hitting not a net on your local big box store.
They are feeding you the hype the manufacture has fed them.

[Llortamaisey]

Operation: Ambush Scottsdale

The claims may be true on those video if they were testing against the Superfast 3 wood last year. That thing was crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7YW8IYeWME&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[xjohnx]

they were gaining 40 and 50 yards.

 

I have a hard time beleiving that

 

I was at the promotion at the PGA store. Taylormade had you hit your driver and then the RBZ driver. They paid you $10 real cash for every yard longer the RBZ was than your driver ($100 max). The only people gaining 40-50 yards were the sandbaggers that swung 50% with their driver to ensure they were walking out with $100.

[kbrussell]

[quote name='tbomb' timestamp='1328880433' post='4251331']
Someone should make a 47 inch 3 wood with a 12* head and put it up against the RBZ and see which is longer....you may think I'm joking, but this is essentially what Taylor Made has been doing to us for years. Taylor Made has taken advantage of the ignorant consumer but jacking lengths and lofts for a while now...

So let's take the new TEE 12* 3 wood with a long shaft and watch it blow the RBZ out of the water...
[/quote]

exactly, a longer shaft = greater ball speed (which is what I assume the OP intended) Of course, with longer shafts comes lower repeatability, and possibly wider dispersion. Pick the right tool for the job...What do you want to accomplish?

[harold baines]

[quote name='Llortamaisey' timestamp='1328883906' post='4251561']
Operation: Ambush Scottsdale

The claims may be true on those video if they were testing against the Superfast 3 wood last year. That thing was crap.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7YW8IYeWME&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.c...be_gdata_player[/url]
[/quote]

I think the players knowing they're getting more money for hitting their old 3w shorter may skew the results a bit

If I was in that test, I'd hit my 3w crappy and step on the RBZ to get more $$$$$$

[DTown3011]

[quote name='Vindog' timestamp='1328879680' post='4251283']
[quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1328879450' post='4251265']
OP has a valid point, but a couple things to keep in mind:
[list=1][*]The 3w is 43.5" long, and the club has a light overall weight, so players may gain a couple mph in their swing.[*]The design may lead to better ballspeeds all over the face, so those who "are killing it" may just be experiencing something more forgiving than their current fairway wood.[/list]
[/quote]

good points
[/quote]

But if they gain a few MPH in their swingspeed, isn't that a good thing assuming dispersion is the same? Isn't that one of the things a longer shaft and lighter overall weight is designed to do?

Also, better ballspeeds all over the face = more forgiveness, which is a good thing for ALL golfers.

[kbrussell]

[quote name='DTown3011' timestamp='1328890395' post='4252447']
[quote name='Vindog' timestamp='1328879680' post='4251283']
[quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1328879450' post='4251265']
OP has a valid point, but a couple things to keep in mind:
[list=1][*]The 3w is 43.5" long, and the club has a light overall weight, so players may gain a couple mph in their swing.[*]The design may lead to better ballspeeds all over the face, so those who "are killing it" may just be experiencing something more forgiving than their current fairway wood.[/list]
[/quote]

good points
[/quote]

But if they gain a few MPH in their swingspeed, isn't that a good thing assuming dispersion is the same? Isn't that one of the things a longer shaft and lighter overall weight is designed to do?

Also, better ballspeeds all over the face = more forgiveness, which is a good thing for ALL golfers.
[/quote]

So, if , in an exaggerated scenario, you hit the 3 wood the same or similar length as the driver... don't you now need a club to fill the gap? And why do you need two clubs that hit it that similar a length? I always looked at it that I want a certain trajectory, and sure more distance would be great, but I want to have fairly regular gaps in yardages, so that I am able to hit the ball the desired distance with some repeatability...

[DFinch]

they were gaining 40 and 50 yards.

 

I have a hard time beleiving that

 

I was at the promotion at the PGA store. Taylormade had you hit your driver and then the RBZ driver. They paid you $10 real cash for every yard longer the RBZ was than your driver ($100 max). The only people gaining 40-50 yards were the sandbaggers that swung 50% with their driver to ensure they were walking out with $100.

 

It sounds like GG did the same thing on launch night by giving away up to 12 free balls, one for each yard gained. Psychology in action.

 

It should have been free balls (or cash) if you hit your current 3W farther. Let's see those results.

 

That said, the RBZ tour will get a fair shake to see if it can make it in my bag.

[tnord]

this is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

1) people WANT the RBZ to be longer so they get free stuff.
2) people have been told time and time again that the ballmonster is better, so when they swing it they have more confidence
3) average golfer not really hitting it flush very often and the RBZ being huge and more foregiving = distance gained
4) the whole longer/lighter thing

i gave the RBZ an honest chance last weekend when i had plenty of time to mess around and get a few good whacks in. i had my current 3w there that i've been playing for 4yrs. i put a few good swings on it and hit it 287max on GG sim. wasn't a singular event either, i think 3 of my 6 swings were 280+.

i picked up the RBZ and made 6 more swings. never cracked 280. now.....the RBZ 3w wasn't fitted for me at all, and they didn't have an X flex shaft to try.....but then again my current 3w had the original re-ax TM stiff shaft from 2008 as well (i had it reshafted with the voodoo later that day in case you look at my sig and call me a liar). i will accept that maybe the RBZ oem shaft was a worse fit for me than the old 2008 OEM 3w shaft resulting in some of the distance loss.......but some of the claims truly are silly.

[KDMullins]

I'm confused by your characterization of smash factor. Doesn't that measure how good the strike is, i.e whether it's a center hit to impart the most energy on the ball? I thought it maxed out in the 1.5 range.

Seems like the better indicator in swinging two different clubs is speed and resultant distance. Am I not correct about that?

[Jack Pearsall]

It's the shafts...