Can anyone PROVE the RBZ is longer?

[Vindog]

[quote name='M-Stamp' timestamp='1328923520' post='4256989']
Smash factor = ball speed devided by head speed

e.g., head speed 100mph
balls peed 149mph
smash factor 1.49
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exactly the best and easiest way to put it.

[MtlJeff]

[quote name='PJ0721' timestamp='1328928337' post='4257535']
Why is it that a 3 wood can be too long? Do you really have to take a full swing just because it is a wood? We all take partial swings to fill gaps with other clubs, and it works with woods as well.

Distance is a commodity that you can never have too much of unless you are only capable of full swings.

PJ
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If you don't need it, you don't need it. I'm more comfortable making a full swing and if i had the RBZ 3 wood i'd be making more 3/4 swings then full swings. Bubba Watson mostly plays a 4 wood and for a period actually used a 2 iron as his second longest club. If you can reach the par 5's you play with less club there's no need to chase distance

[GolfMonster09]

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[quote name='tbomb' timestamp='1328880433' post='4251331']
Someone should make a 47 inch 3 wood with a 12* head and put it up against the RBZ and see which is longer....you may think I'm joking, but this is essentially what Taylor Made has been doing to us for years. Taylor Made has taken advantage of the ignorant consumer but jacking lengths and lofts for a while now...

So let's take the new TEE 12* 3 wood with a long shaft and watch it blow the RBZ out of the water...
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Ah yes. The ignorant consumer. I'm not sure what is worse, the people claiming 50 yards of difference, or the d-bags trying show how cool they are by calling someone else "the ignorant consumer." Both types of clowns show up in every one of these threads, and I have to say the guy acting like he's cool, and if you like this fwy wood you are ignorant, is the current d-bag leader in the clubhouse.
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My vote is for "ignorant consumer."

No one knows how or what works for any golfer until they try it. I just watched a guy with my own peepers launch bombs with a RBZ when nothing else was working for him. That was his club. People swear by Callaway, TM, Nike, etc. They use those clubs because they just work for them. Every OEM is "guilty" of making claims of massive distance. They're a business and trying to sell their product. What do you expect them to say? "Make marginal gains with Rocketballz! Add 2 yards of distance over the SF 2.0!" Come on people! Quit slamming club manufactuers because they're trying to sell you something. That's what a busines does. Until you go try it, you'll never know, then you can see for yourself is the claim is true...for YOU and YOUR game.
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this is exactly why i play component clubs.. Not much gimmick just solid clubs
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+1 this guy gets it. no RocketBallZ hype - and it's easier to build your clubs to your specs than it is to order them to your specs from OEMs.

[kafka01]

Obviously its working great for TM with all the distance hype if you look at their sales numbers. But what i dont get - why dont they expand this distance hype into their putter business. I´m sure there are lots of people out there who need 17 more feet with their putters - thus compromising accuracy, but thats not really the key. The real importance is to never leave it short again!

So maybe they should come up with something like the "superwhip" - a putter with a garden hose (obv. from modern nano tube fusion technology!) as shaft or some split quad chambers in the head that make the ball literally explode from the face. I´m sure if they get their marketing right, those things would sell like crazy (hcps would probably skyrocket, but at least its long!).

[bobfoster]

I tried it ... doesn't knock the ProV out of my bag.

[GolfMonster09]

Obviously its working great for TM with all the distance hype if you look at their sales numbers. But what i dont get - why dont they expand this distance hype into their putter business. I´m sure there are lots of people out there who need 17 more feet with their putters - thus compromising accuracy, but thats not really the key. The real importance is to never leave it short again!

 

So maybe they should come up with something like the "superwhip" - a putter with a garden hose (obv. from modern nano tube fusion technology!) as shaft or some split quad chambers in the head that make the ball literally explode from the face. I´m sure if they get their marketing right, those things would sell like crazy (hcps would probably skyrocket, but at least its long!).

 

 

Imagine the belly putter version of it - TaylorMade Rocket Putter, with real rockets on the back!!!

[mukster]

Now if I can only get a RBZ 3 wood with 8.5* loft, look out! Will never need another driver again

[homerdog]

[quote name='jdhallissey' timestamp='1328866907' post='4250923']
No it is not. Side by side with your favorite three wood/driver with the same launch and everything (close too) the ball is going to same distance. It is all marketing hype.
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Evidence?

Jeez, there's a lot of haters here, I suggest you find a better way to waste your time...

[muxi87]

[quote name='bobfoster' timestamp='1328960280' post='4259211']
I tried it ... doesn't knock the ProV out of my bag.
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Did you read a single post in this thread?

Discussion about fairway woods and you chime in on a golfball. And the RBZ golfball isn't even remotely being marketed vs the Pro V...that'd be like comparing a RBZ fwy to your 7 iron.

[barkydog1]

All I know is that I've always had trouble hitting metalwoods off the deck and I hit the RBZ 3 wood 250 with a baby draw. That's a good DRIVE for me. And I never hit a draw. The thing felt hot, in a way I've never had a club feel before.

[1puttwoods]

Yes it is longer, you just don't want to believe. In testing with our launch monitor and on our golf simulator the ball speed is higher for everyone who has hit it against their clubs. Higher ball speed equals more distance.......not all the time but virtually all the time.

[ksavy17]

im hitting it about 10 to 15 yards further at 42.5 in!! but more importantly the club is point and shoot so far for me

[Splitter]

I can understand why some didn't buy it at first. We hear this from EVERY vendor and TM is known for good marketing.

But with all the people coming forward with better distance and all the monitor data supporting the claims it's starting to sound more like bitter grapes.

My RBZ 17* goes as far as my TEE 15* but is a bit easier to hit and seems to go straighter. Hard to say for sure after one round but I'm looking forward to using it more. For me it was a no brainer to get the same distance with a bit more loft/backspin.

As a bonus, since it's so big I can now say I hit driver off the deck.

[vicsith1]

Same shaft, different heads, I.e. RBZ vs. 910F both with same shaft - will the RBZ win?

[muxi87]

[quote name='vicsith1' timestamp='1328993029' post='4261991']
Same shaft, different heads, I.e. RBZ vs. 910F both with same shaft - will the RBZ win?
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The technology and numbers say yes...there may be a person or two that refute it, but if 100 random golfers do such a test, I'd bet 90+ of them would hit the RBZ further.

[PreppySlapCut]

I'd like to see the RBZ Tour, the Adams XTD, Tour Edge CB4/XCG5, and like the Ping i20 in a shootout with near identical setups.

[wolfpack]

It has to be hot, any fairway with over .810 cor is going to be a rocket launcher. Is it hotter than everything else ever? who knows. It's big and easy to hit, they will sell a lot of them.

[Dscvrr St Louis]

[quote name='Splitter' timestamp='1328990252' post='4261699']
I can understand why some didn't buy it at first. We hear this from EVERY vendor and TM is known for good marketing.

But with all the people coming forward with better distance and all the monitor data supporting the claims it's starting to sound more like bitter grapes.

My RBZ 17* goes as far as my TEE 15* but is a bit easier to hit and seems to go straighter. Hard to say for sure after one round but I'm looking forward to using it more. For me it was a no brainer to get the same distance with a bit more loft/backspin.

As a bonus, since it's so big I can now say I hit driver off the deck.
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This is exactly the point I have been trying to make...!! It is not just distance, it is easy distance to replace a club that wasn't so easy to get the same distance out of...kudos to you for trying ...BRAVO to you for realizing what this club means to alot more people than just distance!!

[Naylor09]

I tested my cb2 16.5* next to a rbz 17* on a track man out side and here are my numbers averages. Shaft in my cb2- stiff proforce v2 rbz- matriz RUL stiff
ball speed cb2-162 rbz- 158
swing speed cb2-106.2 rbz 105.9
carry distance cb2-279 rbz- 271

By far the closest fairway wood to my cb2 ive ever hit. Which did impress me maybe with the right saft it would be simular

[poizster]

[quote name='Naylor09' timestamp='1329033637' post='4265283']
I tested my cb2 16.5* next to a rbz 17* on a track man out side and here are my numbers averages. Shaft in my cb2- stiff proforce v2 rbz- matriz RUL stiff
ball speed cb2-162 rbz- 158
swing speed cb2-106.2 rbz 105.9
carry distance cb2-279 rbz- 271

By far the closest fairway wood to my cb2 ive ever hit. Which did impress me maybe with the right saft it would be simular
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Your getting a 279 carry with 106.2 SS and 162 BS, those numbers don't jive.

[StarFleetGolfer]

+2.

I got the 5 w and it fills a gap perfectly.

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[quote name='Splitter' timestamp='1328990252' post='4261699']
I can understand why some didn't buy it at first. We hear this from EVERY vendor and TM is known for good marketing.

But with all the people coming forward with better distance and all the monitor data supporting the claims it's starting to sound more like bitter grapes.

My RBZ 17* goes as far as my TEE 15* but is a bit easier to hit and seems to go straighter. Hard to say for sure after one round but I'm looking forward to using it more. For me it was a no brainer to get the same distance with a bit more loft/backspin.

As a bonus, since it's so big I can now say I hit driver off the deck.
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This is exactly the point I have been trying to make...!! It is not just distance, it is easy distance to replace a club that wasn't so easy to get the same distance out of...kudos to you for trying ...BRAVO to you for realizing what this club means to alot more people than just distance!!


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[Naylor09]

[quote name='poizster' timestamp='1329034253' post='4265295']
[quote name='Naylor09' timestamp='1329033637' post='4265283']
I tested my cb2 16.5* next to a rbz 17* on a track man out side and here are my numbers averages. Shaft in my cb2- stiff proforce v2 rbz- matriz RUL stiff
ball speed cb2-162 rbz- 158
swing speed cb2-106.2 rbz 105.9
carry distance cb2-279 rbz- 271

By far the closest fairway wood to my cb2 ive ever hit. Which did impress me maybe with the right saft it would be simular
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Your getting a 279 carry with 106.2 SS and 162 BS, those numbers don't jive.
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i know thats what i was thinking too maybe some wind was behind me. Normal course conditions i usually hit my 4 wood 265-270 total

[chickenpotpie]

Here's a link to my review of the RBZ (the link will take you to the "All Things Michigan Golf" thread). For me, there was no difference in performance versus what I'm using now, either in terms of ball speed/swing speed. This was done on a simulator that I trust (confirmed by actual course yardages, though the run out number can be a bit hit or miss)



[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/407276-all-things-michigan-golf/page__view__findpost__p__4267769"]#3900[/url]

[poizster]

[quote name='Naylor09' timestamp='1329073636' post='4267761']
[quote name='poizster' timestamp='1329034253' post='4265295']
[quote name='Naylor09' timestamp='1329033637' post='4265283']
I tested my cb2 16.5* next to a rbz 17* on a track man out side and here are my numbers averages. Shaft in my cb2- stiff proforce v2 rbz- matriz RUL stiff
ball speed cb2-162 rbz- 158
swing speed cb2-106.2 rbz 105.9
carry distance cb2-279 rbz- 271

By far the closest fairway wood to my cb2 ive ever hit. Which did impress me maybe with the right saft it would be simular
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Your getting a 279 carry with 106.2 SS and 162 BS, those numbers don't jive.
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i know thats what i was thinking too maybe some wind was behind me. Normal course conditions i usually hit my 4 wood 265-270 total
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It's nice to see your gamer was longer then the RBZ. I'm sure the same would be the case for Wishon golf. Did you hit enough shots with the RBZ to see if the dispersion was any tighter? I'm not sure how it could be with the shaft being longer. I will try this club eventually but the bulk of my testing will be on the course off the deck.

[TCMP]

[quote name='poizster' timestamp='1329034253' post='4265295']
[quote name='Naylor09' timestamp='1329033637' post='4265283']
I tested my cb2 16.5* next to a rbz 17* on a track man out side and here are my numbers averages. Shaft in my cb2- stiff proforce v2 rbz- matriz RUL stiff
ball speed cb2-162 rbz- 158
swing speed cb2-106.2 rbz 105.9
carry distance cb2-279 rbz- 271

By far the closest fairway wood to my cb2 ive ever hit. Which did impress me maybe with the right saft it would be simular
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Your getting a 279 carry with 106.2 SS and 162 BS, those numbers don't jive.
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Who cares about the actual yardages. His post was to show the CB2 was longer in a head to head battle.

[StarFleetGolfer]

Because , bad data in = bad data out




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[quote name='poizster' timestamp='1329034253' post='4265295']
[quote name='Naylor09' timestamp='1329033637' post='4265283']
I tested my cb2 16.5* next to a rbz 17* on a track man out side and here are my numbers averages. Shaft in my cb2- stiff proforce v2 rbz- matriz RUL stiff
ball speed cb2-162 rbz- 158
swing speed cb2-106.2 rbz 105.9
carry distance cb2-279 rbz- 271

By far the closest fairway wood to my cb2 ive ever hit. Which did impress me maybe with the right saft it would be simular
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Your getting a 279 carry with 106.2 SS and 162 BS, those numbers don't jive.
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Who cares about the actual yardages. His post was to show the CB2 was longer in a head to head battle.
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[TCMP]

[quote name='Golfjunki71' timestamp='1329076319' post='4268175']
Because , bad data in = bad data out

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I understand where you are coming from, but a head to head comparison is just that. Same monitor, same session, just a different club. Precision on these monitors is typically very good, while accuracy sometimes is juiced. This is more of a precision type test - at least the way I look at it. I guess that's just my way of thinking.

[M-Stamp]

[quote name='Naylor09' timestamp='1329033637' post='4265283']
I tested my cb2 16.5* next to a rbz 17* on a track man out side and here are my numbers averages. Shaft in my cb2- stiff proforce v2 rbz- matriz RUL stiff
ball speed cb2-162 rbz- 158
swing speed cb2-106.2 rbz 105.9
carry distance cb2-279 rbz- 271

By far the closest fairway wood to my cb2 ive ever hit. Which did impress me maybe with the right saft it would be simular
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This is exactly the kind of data I was looking for. So it seems like you got a tad better smash factor with your CB2 than the RBZ, because your swing speeds were about the same but you got 4 mph more ball speed with the CB2.

If you're a good ball striker and got these numbers from multiple shots (at least 30 balls with each), then you just proved that the CB2 is a longer fairway wood than the RBZ, i.e., that the CB2 has a hotter face.

[radiman]

[quote name='M-Stamp' timestamp='1329279577' post='4288773']
[quote name='Naylor09' timestamp='1329033637' post='4265283']
I tested my cb2 16.5* next to a rbz 17* on a track man out side and here are my numbers averages. Shaft in my cb2- stiff proforce v2 rbz- matriz RUL stiff
ball speed cb2-162 rbz- 158
swing speed cb2-106.2 rbz 105.9
carry distance cb2-279 rbz- 271

By far the closest fairway wood to my cb2 ive ever hit. Which did impress me maybe with the right saft it would be simular
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This is exactly the kind of data I was looking for. So it seems like you got a tad better smash factor with your CB2 than the RBZ, because your swing speeds were about the same but you got 4 mph more ball speed with the CB2.

If you're a good ball striker and got these numbers from multiple shots (at least 30 balls with each), then you just proved that the CB2 is a longer fairway wood than the RBZ, i.e., that the CB2 has a hotter face.
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I'm not exactly buying into the hype, and I have a hard time believing someone could gain 50 yards on their 3 wood. But there has to be some gains here. If TEE would launch a marketing campaign claiming the same thing, I'm sure there would be just as many bold distance gains made. And technically, TM never claimed that this was any longer than a titanium 3 wood. They have been claiming it is the longest steel fairway they have produced.

[SilverBullets]

I hit the 910 F and the RBZ on a launch monitor this past weekend. The RBZ was a little further for me, but not significantly. My ball speed with the 910 averaged 145 while my ball speed with the RBZ averaged 146... My longest overall shot was with the 910.

I ended up buying the 910 because I felt it has better versatility and feel. The head size on the RBZ bugged me a lot.

I will say, it was definetly lighter, which should translate to better SS... It just wasn't for me