Holly Sonders - MERGED

[Dizz]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364827751' post='6736411']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364825752' post='6736225']
Real women are not that fit? What? Personally I think she does a good job on the shows shes on and shes a good looking girl. I have no idea how people on the internet can make a "hotdog down a hallway reference" without even knowing her but hey whatever makes you feel good I guess. She obviously works out, can't say I care about the enhancements to the upper body but I don't think it looks bad either.
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I said, "[i]Real women are not that fit, and [/i][u][i][b]that large-breasted at the same time[/b][/i][/u]. [i]Mother Nature doesn't work that way[/i]."

I'm sorry, but real women don't look like Barbie....at least, not naturally. Any woman with her obvious degree of fitness and muscle definition would also lose fat from her breasts as her overall percentage of body-fat went down. The only way someone could maintain the DISPROPORTIONATE size of her breasts to the rest of her body are two ways.

1. Her breasts have been surgically enhanced (most likely given her career choice and the 21-century eye-candy image she tries to project), or

2. That picture's been PhotoShopped.

I'm not slamming her. She's someone whose figured out that men (as a group)will give things to, and do things for women that they find sexually appealing that they won't do-or-give to women that they don't find appealing. Which gives her a competitive edge (in a male-dominated career field) over a less-attractive woman of equal talent. So, like a beauty pagent contestant, she's enhanced what Mother Nature gave her.

Of course the downside is that when you spend so much energy playing up your sexuality, a lot of people are going to fail to notice anything else about you.

All I said in my original post, was that my PERSONAL preference is for a woman who has spent as much time and effort renovating what's on the inside, as Ms. Sonders has spent renovating and maintaining what's on her outside. What's on the inside, improves with age. It doesn't wrinkle or sag.
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I graduated from a high school with 60 people in my class and there was one family that hit the genetic jackpot. They all had natural six packs and similar natural "upper bodies" so yes it does happen... its almost not believable unless you see pictures. However I don't see the need to argue with you about this as you are obviously making a lot of generalizations in your posts.

[Mr22putt]

Could this be an April Fools joke?
I hope not.

Holly is HOT...nuff said.

[jfzhorseman]

The motivation is sex(y) sells but a fitness article on a player as opposed to a media pinup would have been more appropriate. The women's game is in trouble when HS has a club contract and most likely the only woman's cover this year.

[quote name='citizencage' timestamp='1364828673' post='6736521']
First off, kudos to Holly for making the cover of Golf Digest. She's come a long, long way since getting her 5 minutes of screen time on Morning Drive when the show first started.

I also applaud Golf Digest for putting a woman on the cover of the magazine. It's really easy for them to dust off another pic of Tiger Woods or Phil Mickelson instead, so it's nice to see them thinking outside the box. And for that matter, placing a greater emphasis on fitness.

However, I can't imagine that the brain-trust at the LPGA is super enthusiastic about Holly getting the cover. I can think of a number of female golfers - cough Stacy Lewis cough - who deserve to have that cover. Again, to be clear, I'm not knocking Holly and I think it's terrific that a female made the cover. But the motivation behind the choice is bit suspect in my opinion.
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[canuckhacker]

awesome.

and kellygreen, you really shouldn't let beautiful women make you feel so angry and inferior.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364828888' post='6736551']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364827751' post='6736411']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364825752' post='6736225']
Real women are not that fit? What? Personally I think she does a good job on the shows shes on and shes a good looking girl. I have no idea how people on the internet can make a "hotdog down a hallway reference" without even knowing her but hey whatever makes you feel good I guess. She obviously works out, can't say I care about the enhancements to the upper body but I don't think it looks bad either.
[/quote]

I said, "[i]Real women are not that fit, and [/i][u][i][b]that large-breasted at the same time[/b][/i][/u]. [i]Mother Nature doesn't work that way[/i]."

I'm sorry, but real women don't look like Barbie....at least, not naturally. Any woman with her obvious degree of fitness and muscle definition would also lose fat from her breasts as her overall percentage of body-fat went down. The only way someone could maintain the DISPROPORTIONATE size of her breasts to the rest of her body are two ways.

1. Her breasts have been surgically enhanced (most likely given her career choice and the 21-century eye-candy image she tries to project), or

2. That picture's been PhotoShopped.

I'm not slamming her. She's someone whose figured out that men (as a group)will give things to, and do things for women that they find sexually appealing that they won't do-or-give to women that they don't find appealing. Which gives her a competitive edge (in a male-dominated career field) over a less-attractive woman of equal talent. So, like a beauty pagent contestant, she's enhanced what Mother Nature gave her.

Of course the downside is that when you spend so much energy playing up your sexuality, a lot of people are going to fail to notice anything else about you.

All I said in my original post, was that my PERSONAL preference is for a woman who has spent as much time and effort renovating what's on the inside, as Ms. Sonders has spent renovating and maintaining what's on her outside. What's on the inside, improves with age. It doesn't wrinkle or sag.
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I graduated from a high school with 60 people in my class and there was one family that hit the genetic jackpot. They all had natural six packs and similar natural "upper bodies" so yes it does happen... its almost not believable unless you see pictures. However I don't see the need to argue with you about this as you are obviously making a lot of generalizations in your posts.
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Generalizations born of nearly 20 years in medicine.

Can I say that there aren't the occasional "freak of nature" that is a several standard-deviation outlier? Of course not. But common things are common. Rare things occur rarely....and very rare things occur very rarely.

Bottom line, I'll bet you any amount of money that you care to lose, that she has had breast implants....and I won't lose a moment of sleep worrying that I'll lose any money in that wager.

[hpr3]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364829350' post='6736605']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364828888' post='6736551']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364827751' post='6736411']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364825752' post='6736225']
Real women are not that fit? What? Personally I think she does a good job on the shows shes on and shes a good looking girl. I have no idea how people on the internet can make a "hotdog down a hallway reference" without even knowing her but hey whatever makes you feel good I guess. She obviously works out, can't say I care about the enhancements to the upper body but I don't think it looks bad either.
[/quote]

I said, "[i]Real women are not that fit, and [/i][u][i][b]that large-breasted at the same time[/b][/i][/u]. [i]Mother Nature doesn't work that way[/i]."

I'm sorry, but real women don't look like Barbie....at least, not naturally. Any woman with her obvious degree of fitness and muscle definition would also lose fat from her breasts as her overall percentage of body-fat went down. The only way someone could maintain the DISPROPORTIONATE size of her breasts to the rest of her body are two ways.

1. Her breasts have been surgically enhanced (most likely given her career choice and the 21-century eye-candy image she tries to project), or

2. That picture's been PhotoShopped.

I'm not slamming her. She's someone whose figured out that men (as a group)will give things to, and do things for women that they find sexually appealing that they won't do-or-give to women that they don't find appealing. Which gives her a competitive edge (in a male-dominated career field) over a less-attractive woman of equal talent. So, like a beauty pagent contestant, she's enhanced what Mother Nature gave her.

Of course the downside is that when you spend so much energy playing up your sexuality, a lot of people are going to fail to notice anything else about you.

All I said in my original post, was that my PERSONAL preference is for a woman who has spent as much time and effort renovating what's on the inside, as Ms. Sonders has spent renovating and maintaining what's on her outside. What's on the inside, improves with age. It doesn't wrinkle or sag.
[/quote]

I graduated from a high school with 60 people in my class and there was one family that hit the genetic jackpot. They all had natural six packs and similar natural "upper bodies" so yes it does happen... its almost not believable unless you see pictures. However I don't see the need to argue with you about this as you are obviously making a lot of generalizations in your posts.
[/quote]

Generalizations born of nearly 20 years in medicine.

Can I say that there aren't the occasional "freak of nature" that is a several standard-deviation outlier? Of course not. But common things are common. Rare things occur rarely....and very rare things occur very rarely.

Bottom line, I'll bet you any amount of money that you care to lose, that she has had breast implants....and I won't lose a moment of sleep worrying that I'll lose any money in that wager.
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Who cares what you think? I'm being generous with the think part.

[geesecougar2]

There is no way she's 26.

And if she is 26, and engaged to that middle aged EK? SMH......

[kellygreen]

[quote name='canuckhacker' timestamp='1364829268' post='6736593']
awesome.

and kellygreen, you really shouldn't let beautiful women make you feel so angry and inferior.
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[i]They don't. [/i]

Clearly you don't know me very well....

[i]I've just reached a point in life where my little head doesn't do all my thinking for me any more. [/i]

Beauty is just the icing on the cake, that is a woman....and it doesn't distract me anymore from paying attention to what actually IN the cake.

[minteq]

I dont care what she has enhanced, she is smoking hot, and not afraid to show it. I don't know her personally, so not sure whats on the inside, but the outside is amazing.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='hpr3' timestamp='1364829473' post='6736623']

Who cares what you think? I'm being generous with the think part.
[/quote]

I'm sorry.

How rude of me to let science get in the way of a good fantasy.

[i]Back to our regular programming. [/i]

[Dizz]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364829350' post='6736605']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364828888' post='6736551']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364827751' post='6736411']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364825752' post='6736225']
Real women are not that fit? What? Personally I think she does a good job on the shows shes on and shes a good looking girl. I have no idea how people on the internet can make a "hotdog down a hallway reference" without even knowing her but hey whatever makes you feel good I guess. She obviously works out, can't say I care about the enhancements to the upper body but I don't think it looks bad either.
[/quote]

I said, "[i]Real women are not that fit, and [/i][u][i][b]that large-breasted at the same time[/b][/i][/u]. [i]Mother Nature doesn't work that way[/i]."

I'm sorry, but real women don't look like Barbie....at least, not naturally. Any woman with her obvious degree of fitness and muscle definition would also lose fat from her breasts as her overall percentage of body-fat went down. The only way someone could maintain the DISPROPORTIONATE size of her breasts to the rest of her body are two ways.

1. Her breasts have been surgically enhanced (most likely given her career choice and the 21-century eye-candy image she tries to project), or

2. That picture's been PhotoShopped.

I'm not slamming her. She's someone whose figured out that men (as a group)will give things to, and do things for women that they find sexually appealing that they won't do-or-give to women that they don't find appealing. Which gives her a competitive edge (in a male-dominated career field) over a less-attractive woman of equal talent. So, like a beauty pagent contestant, she's enhanced what Mother Nature gave her.

Of course the downside is that when you spend so much energy playing up your sexuality, a lot of people are going to fail to notice anything else about you.

All I said in my original post, was that my PERSONAL preference is for a woman who has spent as much time and effort renovating what's on the inside, as Ms. Sonders has spent renovating and maintaining what's on her outside. What's on the inside, improves with age. It doesn't wrinkle or sag.
[/quote]

I graduated from a high school with 60 people in my class and there was one family that hit the genetic jackpot. They all had natural six packs and similar natural "upper bodies" so yes it does happen... its almost not believable unless you see pictures. However I don't see the need to argue with you about this as you are obviously making a lot of generalizations in your posts.
[/quote]

Generalizations born of nearly 20 years in medicine.

Can I say that there aren't the occasional "freak of nature" that is a several standard-deviation outlier? Of course not. But common things are common. Rare things occur rarely....and very rare things occur very rarely.

Bottom line, I'll bet you any amount of money that you care to lose, that she has had breast implants....and I won't lose a moment of sleep worrying that I'll lose any money in that wager.
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I would say its fairly obvious that she's had breast implants based on her appearance now versus her appearance in college. Just like I said in a previous post the implants are not my preference and I prefer her look in college but I still think she is a very attractive woman. I'm certainly not "awe struck" by her because of her "barbie" like appearance. The generalizations I was talking about are your comments that just because women improve their outside appearance that they don't do the same on the inside... not sure 100 years of medicine can prove that opinion.

[Badgergolfer2]

I just find her to be annoying and that she is nothing more than eye candy on GC with nothing intelligent to add. Holly is actually a fairly accomplished golfer but she acts like the dumb girl on GC all the time. Thats why I diss her.

[hpr3]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364829762' post='6736671']
[quote name='hpr3' timestamp='1364829473' post='6736623']
Who cares what you think? I'm being generous with the think part.
[/quote]

I'm sorry.

How rude of me to let science get in the way of a good fantasy.

[i]Back to our regular programming. [/i]
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You consider sexist drivel science?

[wobgon]

[quote name='OUZO Power' timestamp='1364828290' post='6736471']
Here is all I have to say about her and those that diss her.

Would you rather she not have a presence in golf or on gc?

Are you kidding me? How can anyone hate on her.
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I would rather she not be on the golf channel. Does that mean i hate on her. Not at all. Is there anyone you do not care for on GC. If so, do you hate them?
Many would agree that she is there to be looked at. I really do not see anything special to look at so for me, there is no reason to watch her. She is probebly a nice person.

[mshills]

IBTL

[hpr3]

[quote name='mshills' timestamp='1364830196' post='6736711']
IBTL
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+1

[stage1350]

Bump for a free post before they lock this.

[stage1350]

And what moron thought this deserved General Golf Talk? We have a 19th hole for stuff like this.

[Mich Nick]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364824592' post='6736087']
How many posts before someone says shes not that good looking?
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She is good looking, but not even close to Win Mc Murry's level.

[duffer987]

[quote name='Hondabuff' timestamp='1364825481' post='6736195']
You guys who bash her are lame, She is HOT. Who wants look at chunky Korean woman all day on tour. LPGA needs more beautiful woman like this!
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Racist much? Here I thought the LPGA (like any of the tours) needs players who can make quality shots and shoot good scores.

[TripleGrindSole]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364827751' post='6736411']
I said, "[i]Real women are not that fit, and [/i][u][i][b]that large-breasted at the same time[/b][/i][/u]. [i]Mother Nature doesn't work that way[/i]."
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This is just flat out wrong.

No pun intended.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1364829914' post='6736683']
I would say its fairly obvious that she's had breast implants based on her appearance now versus her appearance in college. Just like I said in a previous post the implants are not my preference and I prefer her look in college but I still think she is a very attractive woman. I'm certainly not "awe struck" by her because of her "barbie" like appearance. [i][b]The generalizations I was talking about are your comments that just because women improve their outside appearance that they don't do the same on the inside... not sure 100 years of medicine can prove that opinion.[/b][/i]
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No, but 45 years of life experience has confirmed what I actually said, which was....

"The [u][i]MORE[/i][/u] time a woman spends improving what's on the outside, the [u][i]LESS[/i][/u] time she spends improving what's on the inside". (I almost NEVER speak in absolutes...because real life doesn't work that way either.)

That happens for the following reasons.

1. There are only 24 hours in a day. So the more time you (or anyone else) spends cultivating one area of their life, the less time there is available to cultivating other areas. Not an "opinion"...simple math.

2. The general hostility to which my (rather straightforward) views are being met with. At the knife point of culture and evolutionary psychology.

Men are programmed both by biology and culture to find certain physical characteristics appealing. A high degree of facial symmetry (beauty). Even-tone skin and a high degree of body symmetry (health and strength). A large hip-to-waist ratio (wasp waist, ease of child-bearing). Different culture intepret these differently, and assign different values to them. But, cross-culturally, they are all seen as makers of "female beauty"...and are markers of strong genes, good health, and the ability to produce healthy children.

So women who possess these qualities are percieved as "high status" females....and as a general rule (for both sexes) mates who are perceived as "high-status" are afforded a lot more social leeway than mates who are "lower-status" and less attractive.

To put it bluntly, men tend to let women who are young and very beautiful get away with a lot more, and demand a lot LESS of them in other ways than they would of women who are less attractive. The converse is also true. Women tend to let men who are wealthy and accomplished get away with a lot more, and demand a lot less of them than they would of men who don't (in their view) possess those same qualities.

Which is why---whenever the issue of Tiger's infidelity comes up---I caution people to not assume that Elin was unaware of what Tiger was doing with other women, prior to the infamous "accident".

...and it is also why the typical (male) corporate CEO is several inches TALLER than average. (Gen X CEO averages 6'2", when the average height for men of that generation is 5'10")

[kellygreen]

[quote name='hpr3' timestamp='1364830076' post='6736701']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364829762' post='6736671']
[quote name='hpr3' timestamp='1364829473' post='6736623']
Who cares what you think? I'm being generous with the think part.
[/quote]

I'm sorry.

How rude of me to let science get in the way of a good fantasy.

[i]Back to our regular programming. [/i]
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You consider sexist drivel science?
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Not "sexism". Evolutionary psychology is a well-recognized field of study.

While I don't agree with everything it has to say about human mating behavior, social behavior, and sexual attraction....I agree with its points where what I have said is concerned.

...and the intensity of your hostility, only lends further credence to it.

Because you are not simply content to say that I'm wrong and that you disagree....but you seem to have to make it clear that you need to feel that I am a BAD person as well.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='TripleGrindSole' timestamp='1364831087' post='6736815']
[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364827751' post='6736411']
I said, "[i]Real women are not that fit, and [/i][u][i][b]that large-breasted at the same time[/b][/i][/u]. [i]Mother Nature doesn't work that way[/i]."
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This is just flat out wrong.

No pun intended.
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[i]If you say so. [/i]

Bottomline, I've never seen the "before" pictures of Ms. Sonders from college (that an earlier poster mentioned), yet I figured it out right away that she's had a breast augmentation (implants).

...and it wasn't a [i]lucky[/i] guess.

[canuckhacker]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364829762' post='6736671']

I'm sorry.

How rude of me to let science get in the way of a good fantasy.

[i]Back to our regular programming. [/i]
[/quote]

You look at a beautiful woman and you jump to the conclusion that she is not smart and her boobs are fake? You call that Science? You'd make for a good Taliban, who want all the females covered up and not heard from.

[Asiz]

[quote name='hpr3' timestamp='1364827612' post='6736397']
There is a newly posted topic on Holly Sonders. It's disgusting. Would we talk about our mother's, sister's, girlfriend's, wive's, or god forbid our daughter's this way? It's time the mods and owner's of this site step up and refuse to publish this kind of crap! We don't have to act like a bunch of neanderthal's going for a cheap laugh! I realize men & women in the public eye are subject to criticism but when do we see men suffer this kind of sexist, nasty prose? If the owner's of this site can set standards in the classified section of this forum and pull ads that don't meet their criteria why don't they step up and treat their women member's with respect?
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Seriously?

The woman is a fitness model/broadcaster. This is the type of work she not only does but wants to be good at. And it's entirely appropriate. Catch up to this century and show her some respect yourself.

[canuckhacker]

[quote name='kellygreen' timestamp='1364831137' post='6736825']

No, but 45 years of life experience has confirmed what I actually said, which was....

"The [u][i]MORE[/i][/u] time a woman spends improving what's on the outside, the [u][i]LESS[/i][/u] time she spends improving what's on the inside". (I almost NEVER speak in absolutes...because real life doesn't work that way either.)

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So fat women are the smart nice ones? Let me guess,,,your wife is fat right?

[MileHighClub]

You know what? If you don't like a thread then don't read it. By the way, most of the posters in that other thread seem quite fond of Ms Sonders.

[prsgtrman]

my only disappointment with her is her choices in men. she could easily have me if she played her cards right.

[PZero]

[quote name='mshills' timestamp='1364823815' post='6736007']
Oh good grief. Desperation is never a good look.

Please, PLEASE, [size=7][b]PLEASE[/b][/size] look at me!!!!
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^This

Golf Digest hit a new low putting her on the cover.