Chamblee/Tiger Woods controversy (merged)

[deck]

I thought everyone knew the NAVY seal training tiger has been known to do. Seems like it worked. Steroids never even crossed my mind hearing about how hard he works at it.

[Ty_Webb]

[quote name='square' timestamp='1382733312' post='8058123']
I have never used Ambien, or any other sleep medication. But I am curious to know whether someone taking Ambien , feels some residual effects of the drug the next day?



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I've taken Ambien. It makes me sleepy through the next morning and I have difficulty waking up. Knocks me out like nothing else though. I've never taken it the night before I've been playing golf because I really don't think it would be productive.

[DRRicks]

My dislike of TW is known in this thread...BUT, there is no way that he was on steroids.

[Sunningdale]

[quote name='deck' timestamp='1382734194' post='8058171']
I thought everyone knew the NAVY seal training tiger has been known to do. Seems like it worked. Steroids never even crossed my mind hearing about how hard he works at it.
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Well said. I have never seen any reason to believe that Tiger has done anything other than work out religiously to gain the physique that he has. Look the guy is nothing if not dedicated to his art, so what's surprising about the musculature in that case? Questionable decisions made on the golf course in front of the cameras are one thing and a reasonable subject for debate. Suggestions that the guy is using anabolic drugs are something else entirely and, in my humble opinion, don't reflect so well on the person making the accusation. Just MO.

[kemau]

http://www.tigerwoods.com/fitness/tigerDailyRoutine

6:30 a.m. - One hour of cardio. Choice between endurance runs, sprints or biking.

7:30 a.m. - One hour of lower weight training. 60-70 percent of normal lifting weight, high reps and multiple sets.

8:30 a.m. - High protein/low-fat breakfast. Typically includes egg-white omelet with vegetables.

9:00 a.m. - Two hours on the golf course. Hit on the range and work on swing.

11:00 a.m. - Practice putting for 30 minutes to an hour.

Noon - Play nine holes.

1:30 p.m. - High protein/low-fat lunch. Typically includes grilled chicken or fish, salad and vegetables.

2:00 p.m. - Three-to-four hours on the golf course. Work on swing, short game and occasionally play another nine holes.

6:30 p.m. - 30 minutes of upper weight training. High reps.

7:00 p.m. - Dinner and rest.

[kemau]

http://www.tigerwoods.com/fitness/workoutRegimen

I decided a long time ago to treat golf as a sport and full-time profession. When I'm not playing in a tournament, I train from two to 10 hours a day. I'm always trying to improve my conditioning so I can be a better golfer and athlete. Luckily, I like to work out, so training never feels like a chore.

My basic routine includes stretching, core exercises, cardio and weight training. I can spend as much as seven hours on the golf course hitting balls. My trainer, Keith Kleven, designed a great program that keeps my upper and lower body in perfect balance and builds my endurance. Our training sessions are intense and require solid focus. Here's a look at my typical routine.

[b]Cardio training[/b]

Cardio is fundamental to my training program. I start off the day with a run or a bike ride. If it's a running day, I either do a three-mile speed run or an endurance run of up to seven miles.

I enjoy the tempo of cardio; it's peaceful and a good way to get focused for the rest of the workout. Of course, cardio also builds endurance and helps deliver oxygen to the muscles, which gets me ready for two-to-three hours of weights.

[b]Weight training[/b]

My weight-training program is designed for balance, control and endurance. I lift to enhance my entire body because golf requires upper and lower symmetry. I also develop my right and left sides equally because it improves how I strike the ball.

The idea is to build the strength I need to crush a golf ball rather than develop big muscle volume. I lift sub-maximal weights at higher reps, sometimes 25 to 50, because I'm going for tone and endurance instead of bulk. Bodybuilders usually lift heavier weights in sets of six to 12 because they're going for mass. Sometimes, I add plates to break up the routine and challenge myself, but I rarely lift a lot of weight.

My program works all of my muscle groups, but there are a few areas that need extra focus. Golfers are always hunched over, so it's important to strengthen the back and shoulders to support good posture. Legs are the platform for every swing, so my goal is to create a strong power base.

To keep things interesting, I use a mix of weights, resistance and isometric training. If you keep your muscles guessing, it makes them work harder. Whatever I'm doing, I'm careful not to overstress my muscles. I push to the point of muscle failure, not pain.

[b]Core and flexibility training[/b]

Flexibility training is a major component of my regimen. My trainer uses different systems to maintain the flexibility I need to be able to release a powerful swing. I stretch up to 40 minutes before each workout. Then I work on my muscles and joints –- from my spine to my toes -- to create balance and freedom of movement.

For golfers, core strength is just as important as flexibility. Core muscles help control movement and transfer energy from the center of the body out to the limbs, which can obviously impact how well you strike the ball. My core training builds overall strength and flexibility and helps me maintain an ideal state of posture and symmetry.

My workouts are intense and long, but I listen to my body to avoid injury. I know when I can push it and when I need to back off a bit. I don't have time for injuries, so I train hard but smart. A well-rounded program with lots of variety helps me avoid burnout and maintain a high level of conditioning.

[kemau]

http://www.tigerwoods.com/fitness/dietAndNutrition

Training and competition place a lot of demands on your body. The right diet can improve your performance and help you recover quickly for the next workout. That's especially important for me because I train all year round. I make sure I get enough calories and consume the right kind to fuel my workouts, which can last for hours.

When it comes to eating right, I'm pretty easy to please. I stick to lean meats and seafood, lots of fruits and vegetables and no junk food. My typical breakfast is an egg-white omelet with vegetables. Lunch and dinner is usually grilled chicken or fish with salad and vegetables. Protein ranks high in my diet because it helps build muscle tissue. I also take daily supplements for bone protection and nutritional support.

Every athlete needs some form of complex carbs because they give you a boost for intense training and help fuel your performance for long periods of time. There are lots of theories about how many carbs you need and what types are best. Heavy carb-loading doesn't work for me; instead, I use sports drinks during competition and long workouts. They give me the right mix of carbohydrate energy and electrolytes to keep me going.

For me, a healthy diet isn't just about getting from workout to workout or from competition to competition. It's a lifestyle choice. I'm pretty passionate about building good eating habits for the long-term. I think it needs to start when you're young. That's why I emphasize the importance of fitness and proper nutrition at the Tiger Woods Learning Center for kids. It's the most basic thing we can control when it comes to improving our overall health.

[Lodestone]

[quote name='kemau' timestamp='1382749494' post='8059125']
[url="http://www.tigerwoods.com/fitness/dietAndNutrition"]http://www.tigerwood...ietAndNutrition[/url]

Training and competition place a lot of demands on your body. The right diet can improve your performance and help you recover quickly for the next workout. That's especially important for me because I train all year round. I make sure I get enough calories and consume the right kind to fuel my workouts, which can last for hours.

When it comes to eating right, I'm pretty easy to please. I stick to lean meats and seafood, lots of fruits and vegetables and no junk food. My typical breakfast is an egg-white omelet with vegetables. Lunch and dinner is usually grilled chicken or fish with salad and vegetables. Protein ranks high in my diet because it helps build muscle tissue. I also take daily supplements for bone protection and nutritional support.

Every athlete needs some form of complex carbs because they give you a boost for intense training and help fuel your performance for long periods of time. There are lots of theories about how many carbs you need and what types are best. Heavy carb-loading doesn't work for me; instead, I use sports drinks during competition and long workouts. They give me the right mix of carbohydrate energy and electrolytes to keep me going.

For me, a healthy diet isn't just about getting from workout to workout or from competition to competition. It's a lifestyle choice. I'm pretty passionate about building good eating habits for the long-term. I think it needs to start when you're young. That's why I emphasize the importance of fitness and proper nutrition at the Tiger Woods Learning Center for kids. It's the most basic thing we can control when it comes to improving our overall health.
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so where does the IHOP fit in that diet?

[Sean2]

In yesteryear they drank a lot of martinis and wore suits and ties while they played. They still managed to play some pretty good golf. :-)

[Lodestone]

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1382752629' post='8059283']
In yesteryear they drank a lot of martinis and wore suits and ties while they played. They still managed to play some pretty good golf. :-)
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using equipment with which i probably could not get a ball airborne. While wearing ties!!

[hogans71]

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1382752629' post='8059283']
In yesteryear they drank a lot of martinis and wore suits and ties while they played. They still managed to play some pretty good golf. :-)
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Would love those times...

[bscinstnct]

[quote name='kemau' timestamp='1382749249' post='8059121']
http://www.tigerwoods.com/fitness/tigerDailyRoutine

6:30 a.m. - One hour of cardio. Choice between endurance runs, sprints or biking.

7:30 a.m. - One hour of lower weight training. 60-70 percent of normal lifting weight, high reps and multiple sets.

8:30 a.m. - High protein/low-fat breakfast. Typically includes egg-white omelet with vegetables.

9:00 a.m. - Two hours on the golf course. Hit on the range and work on swing.

11:00 a.m. - Practice putting for 30 minutes to an hour.

Noon - Play nine holes.

1:30 p.m. - High protein/low-fat lunch. Typically includes grilled chicken or fish, salad and vegetables.

2:00 p.m. - Three-to-four hours on the golf course. Work on swing, short game and occasionally play another nine holes.

6:30 p.m. - 30 minutes of upper weight training. High reps.

7:00 p.m. - Dinner and rest.
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Tiger Woods (definition)

A model/machine that churns the above process and ingredients into

79 PGA Tour Wins and

14 Majors

[SurfinTurf]

[quote name='DRRicks' timestamp='1382737399' post='8058413']
My dislike of TW is known in this thread...BUT, there is no way that he was on steroids.
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Then ask yourself why any post that mentions Dr Anthony Galea gets deleted.

And it's just common public knowledge.

This site is practically on lock down.

[scratchswinger]

[quote name='SurfinTurf' timestamp='1382754934' post='8059427']
[quote name='DRRicks' timestamp='1382737399' post='8058413']
My dislike of TW is known in this thread...BUT, there is no way that he was on steroids.
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Then ask yourself why any post that mentions Dr Anthony Galea gets deleted.

This site is practically on lock down.
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Show me one post that was deleted.

[SurfinTurf]

[quote name='scratchswinger' timestamp='1382755715' post='8059475']
[quote name='SurfinTurf' timestamp='1382754934' post='8059427']
[quote name='DRRicks' timestamp='1382737399' post='8058413']
My dislike of TW is known in this thread...BUT, there is no way that he was on steroids.
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Then ask yourself why any post that mentions Dr Anthony Galea gets deleted.

This site is practically on lock down.
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Show me one post that was deleted.
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Mine was.

I literally posted:

"Two words

Anthony Galea"

[scratchswinger]

I just reported both of your posts. I hope that they get deleted.

[SurfinTurf]

[quote name='scratchswinger' timestamp='1382756341' post='8059535']
I just reported both of your posts. I hope that they get deleted.
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They will.

[SurfinTurf]

And gone.

Creepy.

[Sunningdale]

It makes me tired just reading about TW's routine in these posts. Jack was a big strong guy in his prime and had a very 'physical' (and aggressive) game but really it's Tiger who has changed the landscape in this department. And not through drugs.

[SurfinTurf]

LOCK DOWN

ALL IN ALL JUST ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL.

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[Tiger512]

It's too bad a reporter or any journalist can't give their opinion about Tiger without such controversy. There are a few guys who have the stones to call it like they see it. No one will go after Faldo or Miller because they've won majors and well they just wouldn't apologize.

[TigerStrong]

My summary...

So Tiger is taking the Golf Channel to court over Brandel Chamblees comments about cheating...well Tiger you were DQ'ed once...saved by the committee once...then took a drop that was questionable...then was caught trying to move a loose impediment only to have the ball move to a new position on an HD camera, then you act all caviler and deny it

Sorry Tiger this is not what you dreamed as a kid but this is reality...stop reacting to someone's first amendment rights and go win a major so you can put that fake grin back on your face and go back to thinking everyone in the media loves you again...

[redfirebird08]

Anyone see Rory's comments on Chamblee? He seemed to suggest Golf Channel should either fire or suspend Chamblee. Surprised to see Rory say anything so pointed on this topic.

[tbowles411]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1382730445' post='8057863']
[quote name='tbowles411' timestamp='1382576673' post='8048853']
ly. [b]All men have something they don't want something to be shown in the light.[/b] [u]Whoever says they don't is a liar.[/u] Because someone isn't old enough to know their indiscretions, doesn't mean it isn't an indiscretion. Tiger's place in golf is set. I can move past his indiscretions and look at his accomplishments. I don't root against anyone and people can do as they wish. But if we're going to be consistent, let's line up every pro athlete at the pinnacle of their sports such as Michael Jordan for example, and not judge them for what they do in their profession, but how they conduct their personal affairs. Then if they don't live according to our belief system, we wish ill on them.
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The bold line and the underlined sentence are assumptions, which can be based on one's life, and maybe naive at that. I am proud to say I have encountered and known a number of "Boy Scouts" over my life. Sadly, too many are no longer above ground, others still doing what's right and good, accepting the responsibility of living by example.

Everybody makes mistakes, but not all mistakes are equal. Not everyone makes moral mistakes that dramatically destroy the lives of loved ones and good friends, much less in the public eye. You're right.. Tigers place in golf is set, but along with that sets his behavior. Fans can easily forgive and forget, as they don't care. But that won't be the case for his loved ones. The children will hit that stride long about adolescents. So, what was yesterday and thought left behind will resurface with a vengeance.

Sadly, Jordan and way to many other professional athletes think any behavior is forgiven or overlooked because of performance. Honestly, I judge man from his behaivor and actions, not his profession or performance and only to the extent of simply not paying any attention to them. Whether I agree with one's behavior or not, one thing I don't do is wish ill will on anyone. Have a good day!
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Pepper, I've learned in my life that a sin is a sin. But I don't judge anyone. It's not up to me. I've also learned that there's no such thing as a true Boy Scout. A lot of nice people, a lot of moral people, even some that used to preach. But everyone has a secret. Even if the transgression is exposed, it's still not my job to judge. He will have to explain to his kids the what and the why. I don't envy him, but he made his bed. But I judge a man's actions to see what he does after a fall. That will tell you who he really is. Pepper, I like you a lot, we just see things a little differently, but not that much. But I'm glad you're not an over the top detractor and unreasonable with an opinion.

[kellygreen]

[quote name='TigerStrong' timestamp='1383006201' post='8071171']
My summary...

So Tiger is taking the Golf Channel to court over Brandel Chamblees comments about cheating...well Tiger you were DQ'ed once...saved by the committee once...then took a drop that was questionable...then was caught trying to move a loose impediment only to have the ball move to a new position on an HD camera, then you act all caviler and deny it

Sorry Tiger this is not what you dreamed as a kid but this is reality...stop reacting to someone's first amendment rights and go win a major so you can put that fake grin back on your face and go back to thinking everyone in the media loves you again...
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Not all speech is protected under the First Amendment. Contrary to popular belief.

Only the government is put in a position of pretty much having put up with whatever you choose to say, as long as it is not a clear-and-direct threat to life, limb and property.

Everyone else---you're only as free to speak your mind to the degree that you are willing to live with the consequences. So if you choose to say something that is untrue, and has the potential to damage someone's reputation and their ability to earn a living, then you could find yourself at the wrong end of a lawsuit.

...and that possibility is what finally motivated TGC to reign in Chamblee's questionably professional behavior, and had BC himself looking so pale and frightened.

BC is re-learning a lesson that most of us learn on schoolyard playgrounds: Don't start a fight if you don't have the stomach to finish it.

...and calling someone a cheater IS starting a fight. Especially when you have NO evidence to back up the accusation.

[Jobu]

[quote name='TheNorseForce' timestamp='1382103510' post='8020965']
Tiger Woods made the game of golf as big as it is today.
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The game of golf has not changed in 50 years.

[Jobu]

[quote name='kemau' timestamp='1382749249' post='8059121']
[url="http://www.tigerwoods.com/fitness/tigerDailyRoutine"]http://www.tigerwood...gerDailyRoutine[/url]

6:30 a.m. - One hour of cardio. Choice between endurance runs, sprints or biking.

7:30 a.m. - One hour of lower weight training. 60-70 percent of normal lifting weight, high reps and multiple sets.

8:30 a.m. - High protein/low-fat breakfast. Typically includes egg-white omelet with vegetables.

9:00 a.m. - Two hours on the golf course. Hit on the range and work on swing.

11:00 a.m. - Practice putting for 30 minutes to an hour.

Noon - Play nine holes.

1:30 p.m. - High protein/low-fat lunch. Typically includes grilled chicken or fish, salad and vegetables.

2:00 p.m. - Three-to-four hours on the golf course. Work on swing, short game and occasionally play another nine holes.

6:30 p.m. - 30 minutes of upper weight training. High reps.

7:00 p.m. - Dinner and rest.
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I'm sorry but this is exactly what Steroids allows you to do, fast recovery. Nobody can keep this up on a daily basis without riding the bicycle. Not only that he doesn't eat enough according to this log, he should look like a twig.

[Ajlepisto]

Chamblee has issues with Tiger for sure. He spent a solid year hating on the Foley/Tiger swing and everything else related to it...but goes on and on about Mahan and Rose, even recently raving about Rose's ball striking ability...so that's never sat right with me.