Focus on ball or target?

WesquireWesquire Members Posts: 640 ✭✭
What do you focus on and what should you focus on?
Driver - Ping G400 LST 8.5° (Mitsubishi CK Pro Orange 70 TX Tipped 1")
3 Wood - Ping G 14.5° (PX HZRDUS Black 75g 6.5 Tipped 1.5")
2 Crossover - Ping G410 17° (PX HZRDUS Black 85g 6.5)
4-W - Ping i200 (PX 6.5)
Wedges - Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 50°/55°/60° (PX 6.5)
Putter - Directed Force
Ball - Snell MTB Black
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  • gatorMDgatorMD Hacker-in-Chief ClubWRX Posts: 4,568 ClubWRX
    target x2
    Driver: Ping G400 Max 9 Tour AD MT 6
    3W: TM M2 Tour AD MT 7
    Utility: Srixon Z U65 3/19 Tour AD DI
    Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 4-9 Tour V
    Wedges: SM7 46F, 50F, 54F, and 60K KBS Tour
    Putter: SC Newport 3
    Ball: AVX/ProV1
  • MPStratMPStrat Members Posts: 942 ClubWRX
    I setup to a target but then I try to keep my focus on feeling the clubhead in my hands. Definitely not focusing on the ball. 
  • Coy MCoy M OG Baby Members Posts: 1,148 ✭✭
    I focus on target and I think that's correct. I just swing down my target line and hit the ball in the process  :)
  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 917 ✭✭
    When playing my best, neither.
    I've already aligned and picked my shot. The ball isn't going anywhere. The target isn't either. 
    So, I just clear my head, take a breath and swing.
    Golfing Ginger
    So glad I picked an outside activity...
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,162 ✭✭
    When playing my best, neither.
    I've already aligned and picked my shot. The ball isn't going anywhere. The target isn't either. 
    So, I just clear my head, take a breath and swing.
    Swing with an empty mind.  What a feeling that must be.....
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  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 917 ✭✭
    When playing my best, neither.
    I've already aligned and picked my shot. The ball isn't going anywhere. The target isn't either. 
    So, I just clear my head, take a breath and swing.
    Swing with an empty mind.  What a feeling that must be.....
    At the PHX clinic were you one of the many that said they putt without thought? ...... 

    It takes practice. I need much more practice myself. Really hard when you are trying to make swing changes.

    Can you clear your mind just sitting in a quiet room by yourself?
    Golfing Ginger
    So glad I picked an outside activity...
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,162 ✭✭
    When playing my best, neither.
    I've already aligned and picked my shot. The ball isn't going anywhere. The target isn't either. 
    So, I just clear my head, take a breath and swing.
    Swing with an empty mind.  What a feeling that must be.....
    At the PHX clinic were you one of the many that said they putt without thought? ...... 

    It takes practice. I need much more practice myself. Really hard when you are trying to make swing changes.

    Can you clear your mind just sitting in a quiet room by yourself?
    In a quiet room I have a difficult time clearing my mind.  When I putt I’m thinking about stuff.. mostly rhythm and tempo 
    G400 LST - TPT proto
    TM M3 - Rogue Silver 110MSI 70S
    21* Fourteen Type 7 Driving Iron - HZRDUS Black 6.5 105g
    4 - PW Mizuno MP 18 MMC - SteelFiber FC115
    50, 54, 60 RC Dual Bite - SteelFiber i125
    Evnroll ER5
    Snell MTB Black
  • mupepperboymupepperboy Members Posts: 83 ✭✭
    Target when I played well... Lately I have too much going on in my head and therefore am struggling Big Time!
  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 917 ✭✭
    When playing my best, neither.
    I've already aligned and picked my shot. The ball isn't going anywhere. The target isn't either. 
    So, I just clear my head, take a breath and swing.
    Swing with an empty mind.  What a feeling that must be.....
    At the PHX clinic were you one of the many that said they putt without thought? ...... 

    It takes practice. I need much more practice myself. Really hard when you are trying to make swing changes.

    Can you clear your mind just sitting in a quiet room by yourself?
    In a quiet room I have a difficult time clearing my mind.  When I putt I’m thinking about stuff.. mostly rhythm and tempo 
    Rhythm and tempo aren't the worst things to think about. But, I believe a clear mind is better.

    Try clearing your mind for just a couple seconds at a time, then for longer periods, then at the range.
    Golfing Ginger
    So glad I picked an outside activity...
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,162 ✭✭
    When playing my best, neither.
    I've already aligned and picked my shot. The ball isn't going anywhere. The target isn't either. 
    So, I just clear my head, take a breath and swing.
    Swing with an empty mind.  What a feeling that must be.....
    At the PHX clinic were you one of the many that said they putt without thought? ...... 

    It takes practice. I need much more practice myself. Really hard when you are trying to make swing changes.

    Can you clear your mind just sitting in a quiet room by yourself?
    In a quiet room I have a difficult time clearing my mind.  When I putt I’m thinking about stuff.. mostly rhythm and tempo 
    Rhythm and tempo aren't the worst things to think about. But, I believe a clear mind is better.

    Try clearing your mind for just a couple seconds at a time, then for longer periods, then at the range.
    So when you say clear your mind.  Like you seriously aren’t consciously thinking about anything? 
    G400 LST - TPT proto
    TM M3 - Rogue Silver 110MSI 70S
    21* Fourteen Type 7 Driving Iron - HZRDUS Black 6.5 105g
    4 - PW Mizuno MP 18 MMC - SteelFiber FC115
    50, 54, 60 RC Dual Bite - SteelFiber i125
    Evnroll ER5
    Snell MTB Black
  • copperjeffcopperjeff Members Posts: 917 ✭✭
    When playing my best, neither.
    I've already aligned and picked my shot. The ball isn't going anywhere. The target isn't either. 
    So, I just clear my head, take a breath and swing.
    Swing with an empty mind.  What a feeling that must be.....
    At the PHX clinic were you one of the many that said they putt without thought? ...... 

    It takes practice. I need much more practice myself. Really hard when you are trying to make swing changes.

    Can you clear your mind just sitting in a quiet room by yourself?
    In a quiet room I have a difficult time clearing my mind.  When I putt I’m thinking about stuff.. mostly rhythm and tempo 
    Rhythm and tempo aren't the worst things to think about. But, I believe a clear mind is better.

    Try clearing your mind for just a couple seconds at a time, then for longer periods, then at the range.
    So when you say clear your mind.  Like you seriously aren’t consciously thinking about anything? 
    In a nutshell, yes.

    I believe people call it different names but I "think" the principle is the same. Meditative state, open mind, clear head, the zone, full awareness, quieting the mind, and so forth.  The phrase that resonates with me most is "just exsisting". 

    To be clear, I am talking about the fleeting moments between getting fully set, and finishing the swing. 

    The meta-awareness thread delved into a lot of this, but there was a lot of clutter there as well.

    However, when I remove conscious thought from the equation, it allows me to detach myself from the result much easier. I'm also much more aware of any mistake I might have made. 
    Golfing Ginger
    So glad I picked an outside activity...
  • uitar9uitar9 Members Posts: 369 ✭✭
    I've heard folks say the swing time associated with a round of golf takes 7 minutes. I find attempting to think about nothing once I'm set to swing reduces my tension and I often hit better. Its not that long a time. Then I can go back to grumbling about my poor lie and where the ball ended up. Then it starts again. Find ball, analyse lie, pick club. The thoughts stop when I actually swing. I used to practice what I've heard called "walking meditation", tried to slow the thoughts while brushing my teeth or waiting for the bus. It does work with practice. Sure helps when I wake up at 2 am.
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  • juststevejuststeve Members Posts: 4,699 ✭✭
    On ordinary shots I focus on the golf club and swinging it in the direction of the target.  The more I can ignore the ball the better.   
    Steve
  • I've been trying something recently that I believe falls in this category of clearing your mind.  I've done this both with full shots and putts.  What I've been doing is after I've taken my stance and set up to the target line, I focus on my target and while taking in a breath I let my eyes start to wonder directly above the target and try to look at something off in the distance, a tree, a cloud, cell phone tower, anything.  Whatever object I focus on is still in line with target just above it in the sky. Then I bring my eyes back down to the ball and start my take away.  
    I've found then I can begin my swing with no thoughts because my brain is focusing on the object out in the distance.  What this also does if I'm hitting an iron shot for instance, is after I make contact and begin the follow through most of the time my eyes will then focus on that same object off in the distance and a good amount of time the ball will follow that target line and pass through the object I focused on in the distance.
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    3 wood - Diablo Octane Tour
    Hybrid - Callaway XR Pro
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  • Timbo929Timbo929 Posts: 386 ✭✭
    In martial arts, clearing your mind is very common. The more experienced you become, the higher the degree you are able to clear it. 


  • davep043davep043 Members Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
    I believe its pretty important to keep your head relatively still while you swing.  For me, that's best done by focusing on the ball.  I can't say its a really conscious choice, but I believe I'm thinking of swinging directly through the ball's location.  If I'm thinking of the target throughout my swing, my head will be moving way too much, and crisp contact will suffer.  So I focus on the ball.
  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,102 ✭✭
    I look high where apex of ball will be, get a visual on a distant target and imprint that corridor as I go after it. "Swing to the picture" as they say, while keeping eyes on the back of ball.
  • MountainGoatMountainGoat Mid-MarylandMembers Posts: 1,574 ✭✭
    I watch the ball with my 'outer' eye and the target with my 'inner' eye.  
  • glkglk send it in jerome Members Posts: 3,288 ✭✭
    The issue to me isn't ball or target.    It's what works for the person to keep all the potentially destructive thoughts out of their mind.
    If you can focus on the ball great.   If target, great.    If you hum, great.    Whatever it takes to not think about the result, some body part, etc.    I term it the, don't give a **** or just hit the ball.   Clear the mind, easily said, hard in reality.
  • theboypinoytheboypinoy Members Posts: 2,022 ✭✭

    Target. Target. Target. This was the first thing drilled into my head with my instructor, and it's been fantastic.

    As for the mental aspect, it's also addressed by Rotella in Golf Is Not a Game of Perfect

  • cav5cav5 Posts: 326 ✭✭

    I think about how I want the club to move.

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  • Tremendous SlouchTremendous Slouch Members Posts: 67 ✭✭

    Enjoying where you are is the only focus needed.

  • oikos1oikos1 Posts: 2,240 ✭✭

    @LASSIEGOHOME said:
    The better you are the more distant the target focus. **But whatever your level of proficiency , the focus should be external (ie. no focus on movement of a body part ). ** For example, moving weight pressure on your lead leg is an 'internal focus' , but if you changed focus intent to 'bracing into and turning against' an imagined vertical wall inside the outer perimeters of your lead foot/knee , then that would be an 'external focus'. The previous example would apply for more novice golfers because the focus would be closer to you , whereas a pga pro would probably be focusing somewhere in the distance , even imagining where the ball will bounce on a specific point and rolling (ie. a distant 'intent' picture movie in their head).

    It can be either internal or external, pro or am. Depends on the individual.

    Hunter Mahan
    "Pretend there's a pressure gauge under your left foot and push down as hard as you can as you bring the club down."

    Adam Scott
    "Whatever I'm working on, I like to keep one swing thought in my head when I'm on the course. Keeping it simple helped me at the Deutsche Bank Championship in Boston last year. Thinking only about getting to my left side, I shot 62 Friday and won my first PGA Tour event."

    Keegan Bradley
    "I focus on my facial muscles. When you can get your mouth to relax, your whole body relaxes."

    Rory McIlroy
    "Under pressure, I do use one simple swing thought: I pick a spot a foot in front of the ball and hit over it -- hard. That takes my mind off the outcome of the shot and keeps me in the process."

  • ferrispgmferrispgm Members Posts: 1,885 ✭✭

    Something I worked hard on my last round was just focusing on making a good swing. Over each shot I said to myself, "make your best swing or trust it". No joke, every single time I did that I hit a really good shot or if I did miss...it was still on the green or fairway. When I didn't because I'm ADD and forgot...my shot wasn't very good. It's something Monte preaches...try to do better on each swing and make the best swing you can. It's not easy and I constantly forget to do it but when I do...it works wonders. Copperjeff was there at a local club when I was actually able to do it for a full 8 holes....went something like 41-34 with a bogey on the last. Target is irrelevant and so is the ball. You assess your lie....figure the shot you want to hit and align for that shot and just make the best swing you can letting the ball get in the way.

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  • oikos1oikos1 Posts: 2,240 ✭✭

    "Target is irrelevant"

    Tend to agree with this after you've established what your target is and have set your line. Why focus on something 200 yards away when the work to be done is right in front of you?

  • oikos1oikos1 Posts: 2,240 ✭✭

    @LASSIEGOHOME said:

    @oikos1 said:
    "Target is irrelevant"

    Tend to agree with this after you've established what your target is and have set your line. Why focus on something 200 yards away when the work to be done is right in front of you?

    It has been researched quite a bit and the results show that even scratch golfers performance is enhanced the more distal the focus on their intended outcome. 'Distant external target outcome focus' won't work well on novice golfers because the outcome has got to be 'achievable' . If your not used to achieving your intent , then you will move into 'fear' mode (kiss of death mindset).

    Of course. Why would you want to listen to what golfers who get results do when you can read research papers.

  • Tremendous SlouchTremendous Slouch Members Posts: 67 ✭✭

    Keegan Bradley:
    "I focus on my facial muscles. When you can get your mouth to relax, your whole body relaxes."

    Thoughts on how to do this?

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