Wishon Shaft Profiling Software - update

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ClafooneClafoone Hobbyist 120WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 120 Fairways
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Received the following from Diamond regarding Tom Wishon's Shaft Profiling Software. I asked about an update on the progress:
From: Alison Trapp [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:19 AM
To: 'Randy LaFoone' <>
Subject: Shaft Profiling Software
Good morning Randy
Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately we don’t have any further update on this to advise.
With Kind Regards
Alison Trapp
Email. [email protected]
I think if might be dead. If that is the case, would there be an interest of a separate forum for those of us with a frequency machine to post data regarding zone profile data for members to access?
Randy

Posted:
Callaway Rogue Draw: 10.5°/ UST Competition 65
Callaway Rogue 4W: bent to 16°/ UST Competition 65
Ping G Hybrids: 19° & 22°/ UST Proforce V2 hybrid (MOI Matched)
Maltby KE4 S: 5 - GW/ Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
Cleveland Rotex 2.0 CB Black Satin: 54° & 58 Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
Ping Karsten TR Anser 5
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  • GolfrnutGolfrnut  7558WRX Points: 410Members Posts: 7,558 Titanium Tees
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    Kind of felt it might go that way. Seems like it could be a full time job just trying to acquire shafts, much less test.

    BTW, if you care enough, you might want to remove your personal email addy from your post. There are internet bots out there that will scan for that stuff for the purpose of spamming.

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    TM Supertri V2 w/ Speeder Evo II 6.1 TS
    TM Stage 2 Tour 14.5* w/ Diamana BB  S+ 70
    Taylormade P790 2 UDI w/ DG 105R 
    Taylormade R9 19* TP Rescue w/ Aldila Rip 85
    4-PW Nike VR Pro MBs w/ DG AMT White R300
    Callaway MD3 52* & 58* PM grind
    Odyssey MXM 1W
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  • ClafooneClafoone Hobbyist  120WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 120 Fairways
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    On -, @Golfrnut said:

    Kind of felt it might go that way. Seems like it could be a full time job just trying to acquire shafts, much less test.

    BTW, if you care enough, you might want to remove your personal email addy from your post. There are internet bots out there that will scan for that stuff for the purpose of spamming.

    Done - thanks buddy ...

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    Callaway Rogue Draw: 10.5°/ UST Competition 65
    Callaway Rogue 4W: bent to 16°/ UST Competition 65
    Ping G Hybrids: 19° & 22°/ UST Proforce V2 hybrid (MOI Matched)
    Maltby KE4 S: 5 - GW/ Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Cleveland Rotex 2.0 CB Black Satin: 54° & 58 Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Ping Karsten TR Anser 5
  • grm24grm24 Western PA 4162WRX Points: 1,301Members Posts: 4,162 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @Clafoone said:

    On -, @Golfrnut said:

    Kind of felt it might go that way. Seems like it could be a full time job just trying to acquire shafts, much less test.

    BTW, if you care enough, you might want to remove your personal email addy from your post. There are internet bots out there that will scan for that stuff for the purpose of spamming.

    Done - thanks buddy ...

    You might want to also remove the email address of Alison Trapp @ Diamondgolf in your original post as well.

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  • cxxcxx  3240WRX Points: 225Members Posts: 3,240 Titanium Tees
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    It would be nice to have the old data. Would it be OK to export to a comma delimited file available to the site? It does seem to be abandoned. It would also be nice to be have a way to add new data.

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    On -, @cxx said:

    It would be nice to have the old data. Would it be OK to export to a comma delimited file available to the site? It does seem to be abandoned. It would also be nice to be have a way to add new data.

    Even if abandoned, I would think it's still proprietary...which means it still belongs to Tom or whomever he granted the rights to. If it were to be released as freeware, it would have to be from him. He has always publically shared his data to those that have asked, but not sure he would be crazy about dumping the whole database of data out there though. I am in no way trying to speak for him though.

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    TM Supertri V2 w/ Speeder Evo II 6.1 TS
    TM Stage 2 Tour 14.5* w/ Diamana BB  S+ 70
    Taylormade P790 2 UDI w/ DG 105R 
    Taylormade R9 19* TP Rescue w/ Aldila Rip 85
    4-PW Nike VR Pro MBs w/ DG AMT White R300
    Callaway MD3 52* & 58* PM grind
    Odyssey MXM 1W
  • Golf PigGolf Pig  15WRX Points: 49Members Posts: 15 Bunkers
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    I agree that it would be a major loss if this project is abandoned by Diamond. Regarding posting new data, I'm all for it and would be happy to share info for a few shafts I've profiled. However, this would all be meaningless unless everyone follows the same procedure as Wishon outlines in the help file for the software.

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  • Twin2LTwin2L  242WRX Points: 191Handicap: 10.0Members Posts: 242 Fairways
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    The information this provided about shafts was extremely helpful in making shaft choices. I wish the database was made available, even for purchase. I seem to remember from the Wishon forum that at one point there was a member who was offering that service.

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    It matters not what others call you. What you choose to answer to defines who you are.


    Wishon 919THI  11* S2S Black 65 S
    Wishon 929HS  14* S2S White S
    Wishon 775HS   21* S2S Black Hybrids S
    Wishon 575MMC Forged 4-A Superlight steel S
    Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2  54* & 60*
    Wishon S2R  #1 Putter
  • ClafooneClafoone Hobbyist  120WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 120 Fairways
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    Golf Pig - I agree, that those who would post, would need to follow outlined in the help file. That's the only way it would be useful and consistent. Definitely don't want to get into a situation where someone starts to gripe about 776 cpm at 11 inches vice 790 cpm. I did note in the original database, that there appeared to be several contributors.
    When I get a chance I'll try and reach out to those that run this, how to go about setting up a forum.

    Posted:
    Callaway Rogue Draw: 10.5°/ UST Competition 65
    Callaway Rogue 4W: bent to 16°/ UST Competition 65
    Ping G Hybrids: 19° & 22°/ UST Proforce V2 hybrid (MOI Matched)
    Maltby KE4 S: 5 - GW/ Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Cleveland Rotex 2.0 CB Black Satin: 54° & 58 Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Ping Karsten TR Anser 5
  • Howard_JonesHoward_Jones  10322WRX Points: 1,450Members Posts: 10,322 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @Clafoone said:

    Golf Pig - I agree, that those who would post, would need to follow outlined in the help file. That's the only way it would be useful and consistent. Definitely don't want to get into a situation where someone starts to gripe about 776 cpm at 11 inches vice 790 cpm. I did note in the original database, that there appeared to be several contributors.
    When I get a chance I'll try and reach out to those that run this, how to go about setting up a forum.

    Has anyone been in contact with Tom Wishon or Diamond about this app lately?
    ---setting up a forum?...whats the plans?

    Posted:

    PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME PMs ON CLUB TECH ISSUES - ASK PUBLIC IN THE FORUM.

    Unless you are a former Customer or someone i already have a PM dialog with, i want reply to tech questions on PMs.

  • NessismNessism To measure is to know...  19310WRX Points: 1,404Members Posts: 19,310 Titanium Tees
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    There have been several threads on this topic previously and in one them Tom chimed in to say something to the effect that he would like to continue but it's getting hard to get his hands on the shafts plus (I think) there is some issue related to updating the software program itself. I for one would like to see an update but I wouldn't count on it.

    Posted:
    Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver 60S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
    Ping Glide 55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
    Ping Anser/Arna putter - the "real deal!"
  • 03trdblack03trdblack Wake Forest, NC 2064WRX Points: 304Handicap: 1.0ClubWRX Posts: 2,064 ClubWRX
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    It's dead. Tom did come on here sometime last year and offered a glimmer of hope that it would continue but Diamond golf doesn't even want to act like it exists. Really disappointed at losing this tool. I guess it's still functional for older stuff but people don't care about finding a shaft that's 10 years old.

    To be honest it sort of feels like Wishon golf is dying a slow death also. They haven't had any major product updates in quite some time. They were supposed to release a new smaller sized players driver but it got delayed and didn't even make the catalog print. Speaking of catalogs, I still haven't seen one for this year.

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  • TKSTKS  263WRX Points: 150Handicap: 7Members Posts: 263 Greens
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    Keep the faith, the driver will show up this summer, and cool things for 2020.

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    All Wishon, all the time:
    919THI 11* Black Driver, Red Shaft - S (A)
    519 SHPR 11* Red Shaft -S (in beta)
    919F/D, Red Shaft
    929 Fwy 5 , Red Shaft
    575MMC 7-GW Wishon Smooth Steel - S (A)
    590 4iron, Black hybd Shaft
    5-SW Sterlings S300's (B)
    PCF Micro 58*
    S2R #5 putter Single Bend Shaft
    Softer Urethane balls - too many to list
  • 03trdblack03trdblack Wake Forest, NC 2064WRX Points: 304Handicap: 1.0ClubWRX Posts: 2,064 ClubWRX
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    On -, @TKS said:

    Keep the faith, the driver will show up this summer, and cool things for 2020.

    Hope so!

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  • TKSTKS  263WRX Points: 150Handicap: 7Members Posts: 263 Greens
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    Know so.

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    All Wishon, all the time:
    919THI 11* Black Driver, Red Shaft - S (A)
    519 SHPR 11* Red Shaft -S (in beta)
    919F/D, Red Shaft
    929 Fwy 5 , Red Shaft
    575MMC 7-GW Wishon Smooth Steel - S (A)
    590 4iron, Black hybd Shaft
    5-SW Sterlings S300's (B)
    PCF Micro 58*
    S2R #5 putter Single Bend Shaft
    Softer Urethane balls - too many to list
  • geochitowngeochitown  2078WRX Points: 288Handicap: 14Members Posts: 2,078 Platinum Tees
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    I think the shaft software had to be picked up by somebody and our only hope was with Diamond Golf.
    Tom didn't want to keep measuring shafts and the shaft companies started not cooperating.
    A few years back I had sent Tom shafts and he would measure them and send me the data.
    But with his retirement, I'm sure he is doing less of this kind of thing, and deservedly so!
    It's too bad this wasn't picked up by someone.
    I have purchased a lot of shafts over the years, which I'd like to have measured or would have liked to learn the technique to measure properly (also would have to invest in the equipment).

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    Lead Tape lovingly applied - Driver through GW
    TEE XCG7 Beta +1* to 11.5* - Testing at 43" w/ Matrix 7M3 stiff/Driver stand-in Wishon 919THI 13* Matrix 7M3 at 42.75"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 4W 16.5* - Matrix 8M2 /5W 18* - Matrix 8M2 stiff tipped 2" at 41.75"
    OR TEE XCG7 Beta 19* H - Fujikura Fit-on Red Stiff - 85 g at 39.25"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 22*H - Diamana Thump T93 Stiff untipped at 38.75"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 25*H - Diamana Thump i465ct 4i shaft stiff 38.25"
    Wishon 560MC's 5-PW (27,31,35,39,43.5,48) at -1/2" length KBS Tour 105 Stiff
    Vokey SM4 52-08F
    Cleveland TA588 57-10 (bent to 56*, so 9* bounce)
    Vokey SM5 60-07S  
    SC Futura X5r 33' flownecked by Bastain-cerakote sniper gray-silver dots-white flange sight line-SS Flatso 2.0
    OR Bastain Milled BM-007 Prototype 371g at 33"
  • ClafooneClafoone Hobbyist  120WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 120 Fairways
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    Good news to come. Will post more later thus evening when I'm back home.

    Posted:
    Callaway Rogue Draw: 10.5°/ UST Competition 65
    Callaway Rogue 4W: bent to 16°/ UST Competition 65
    Ping G Hybrids: 19° & 22°/ UST Proforce V2 hybrid (MOI Matched)
    Maltby KE4 S: 5 - GW/ Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Cleveland Rotex 2.0 CB Black Satin: 54° & 58 Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Ping Karsten TR Anser 5
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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know...  19310WRX Points: 1,404Members Posts: 19,310 Titanium Tees
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    From the archives...

    On -, @TomWishon said: (January 2018)

    ... over the years the relationship with the programmer I had do the initial work to create this software from my dictates just became impossible to work with. Much too long of a story to go into and not worth it at this point anyway but that personal problem was one of the reasons I let this project go into the sand - of course the main one was the change in attitude by many of the shaft companies to decide not to support this project for their own image and commercial reasons.

    So anyway, Diamond Golf who are the stewards of my product line now have had some conversations with programmers over in the UK, enough that we feel we have identified a path to completely re doing this and trying to re-constitute it. And perhaps it will be set up in a manner that will allow much easier management of the data to be able to go those extra miles to creating worthwhile statistical comparative data to take this thing to a higher level of understanding for much more definitive comparisons between shafts and groups of shafts.

    We'll see.

    Posted:
    Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver 60S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
    Ping Glide 55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
    Ping Anser/Arna putter - the "real deal!"
  • ClafooneClafoone Hobbyist  120WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 120 Fairways
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    Group, I have been in contact with Tom Wishon over the past week in regards to his software. He has spoken with Diamond, and as he has some time on his hands, he will resurrect it with the help of a new programmer. This won't be an over night task, but he does appear to be very committed to a revival of the program, probably with a new format. He as asked that if there is interest in adding or removing some features from the program to reach out to him at:
    Tom Wishon......."WHile I am at it, and since I take it you and your group are familiar with the old BP software, if you care to put together a list of features you would like to see and not see on the new version, I would be more than happy to take a look and see what I can do to incorporate some of your suggestions. For that or other inputs or questions use my email at [email protected] ........_

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    Callaway Rogue Draw: 10.5°/ UST Competition 65
    Callaway Rogue 4W: bent to 16°/ UST Competition 65
    Ping G Hybrids: 19° & 22°/ UST Proforce V2 hybrid (MOI Matched)
    Maltby KE4 S: 5 - GW/ Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Cleveland Rotex 2.0 CB Black Satin: 54° & 58 Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Ping Karsten TR Anser 5
  • ClafooneClafoone Hobbyist  120WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 120 Fairways
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    Hi Group, in additional correspondence with Tom, regarding emails - only use the above email address for input regarding the software.
    He mentioned also, that this would probably be a web-based platform (password protected) and probably develop an app for it for use with smartphones/tablets - I requested Android as well as IOS. He will begin acquiring shafts shortly, I'm sure it will take a bit of time for the software development, but web based is certainly alot easier as you would be building from a known platform.
    Regards,
    Randy

    Posted:
    Callaway Rogue Draw: 10.5°/ UST Competition 65
    Callaway Rogue 4W: bent to 16°/ UST Competition 65
    Ping G Hybrids: 19° & 22°/ UST Proforce V2 hybrid (MOI Matched)
    Maltby KE4 S: 5 - GW/ Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Cleveland Rotex 2.0 CB Black Satin: 54° & 58 Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Ping Karsten TR Anser 5
  • trhodetrhode Fitter / Builder  2032WRX Points: 159Members Posts: 2,032 Platinum Tees
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    It's been about 3 years since the sale to Diamond right? I'll believe it when I see it.

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  • nikuknikuk  300WRX Points: 56Handicap: 11.6Members Posts: 300 Greens
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    On -, @Clafoone said:

    Hi Group, in additional correspondence with Tom, regarding emails - only use the above email address for input regarding the software.
    He mentioned also, that this would probably be a web-based platform (password protected) and probably develop an app for it for use with smartphones/tablets - I requested Android as well as IOS. He will begin acquiring shafts shortly, I'm sure it will take a bit of time for the software development, but web based is certainly alot easier as you would be building from a known platform.
    Regards,
    Randy

    This is great to hear, honestly. It is way too valuable of a tool for enthusiasts and fitters alike.
    I was hoping that they'd pivot to web based as it is so ubiquitously easy to maintain / update by comparison.

    Thank you Tom!

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    Comfort brings trust, trust brings consistency, consistency drops indexes.

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    On -, @trhode said:

    It's been about 3 years since the sale to Diamond right? I'll believe it when I see it.

    I'm hopeful but mirror this statement.

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  • TKSTKS  263WRX Points: 150Handicap: 7Members Posts: 263 Greens
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    Tom has confirmed with me he'll be working on the new program as well. His "semi retirement" is basically him working on what he wants to without all the stuff surrounding running a company.

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    All Wishon, all the time:
    919THI 11* Black Driver, Red Shaft - S (A)
    519 SHPR 11* Red Shaft -S (in beta)
    919F/D, Red Shaft
    929 Fwy 5 , Red Shaft
    575MMC 7-GW Wishon Smooth Steel - S (A)
    590 4iron, Black hybd Shaft
    5-SW Sterlings S300's (B)
    PCF Micro 58*
    S2R #5 putter Single Bend Shaft
    Softer Urethane balls - too many to list
  • ClafooneClafoone Hobbyist  120WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 120 Fairways
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    Right on, right on, right on!

    Posted:
    Callaway Rogue Draw: 10.5°/ UST Competition 65
    Callaway Rogue 4W: bent to 16°/ UST Competition 65
    Ping G Hybrids: 19° & 22°/ UST Proforce V2 hybrid (MOI Matched)
    Maltby KE4 S: 5 - GW/ Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Cleveland Rotex 2.0 CB Black Satin: 54° & 58 Wishon S2S White (MOI Matched)
    Ping Karsten TR Anser 5

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