Cobra Fly Z and Fly Z+ Drivers: In-hand photos

[AUTIGER07]

Love the white models but not really impressed with the shaft offerings this year. Matrix VLCT and using 2 year old Aldila shafts as the "free premium upgrade"? I'll wait until hitting it for final judgement but that seems like a major letdown in the shaft department considering the other manufacturer choices this year.

[MrFlapjack]

I can't wait for the reviews to start coming in on this driver. I got a feeling Cobra is gonna sell a ton of these...

[Nickthurgood]

I agree that they are gonna sell a ton!!! I truly think their 2014 line of woods was the best! I think their name will catch on a little more this year, especially if the Fly-Z line gets reviews similar to what the Bio Cell line did!

[Scratch2Plus]

[quote name='AUTIGER07' timestamp='1420225287' post='10675197']
Love the white models but not really impressed with the shaft offerings this year. Matrix VLCT and using 2 year old Aldila shafts as the "free premium upgrade"? I'll wait until hitting it for final judgement but that seems like a major letdown in the shaft department considering the other manufacturer choices this year.
[/quote]
Completely agree. Big let down in the list of shafts compared to the other OEM's but the FlyZ+ has my interest.

[SCOTT4099]

Hope this doesn't unseat my amp cell pro!!!!! Could get expensive.

[SubaruWRX]

Can't wait for these. Just wondering what the difference will be between the Fly-Z and the Fly-Z+ with the weight set in the rear position? Maybe just the face depth being the biggest difference? A bit less spin from the +?

[MrFlapjack]

[quote name='SubaruWRX' timestamp='1420520056' post='10693321']
Can't wait for these. Just wondering what the difference will be between the Fly-Z and the Fly-Z+ with the weight set in the rear position? Maybe just the face depth being the biggest difference? A bit less spin from the +?
[/quote]

I would guess less spin and less forgiveness with the + over the normal Z

Is it bad to build up a shaft for a driver that you don't own yet, just so you can test it when it comes out?? I guess I can always pick up a Bio Cell + or Pro head on the cheap as well..

[halfsumo]

Launch date of 2/6 according to Cobra shopping website....darn, thought it was going to be mid-January.

[Scratch2Plus]

Cobra must have pushed the date back...Discount Dan's website said shipping 1/20.

[Mob]

I have my Bio Cell Plus shaft ready to go. UST Chrome 6F4T with cobra adaptor. I can't wait to get on a launch monitor and compare it to my Bio Cell + with the exact same shaft. Will be the first time I have done a true head to head comparison.

I agree that Cobra has really produced some great woods the past few years. I hope that the Fly Z + is truly lower spinning and more forgiving than the Bio Cell +. If they market this well, they could really gain some driver market share with this.

[Mizunofan]

[quote name='Papa Johick' timestamp='1420002905' post='10663909']Really excited. Between this and vapor pro for me[/quote]

Same here!

[Mizunofan]

[quote name='Papa Johick' timestamp='1420002905' post='10663909']Really excited. Between this and vapor pro for me[/quote]

Same here!

[KPH808]

I am as well

[nova6868]

Have you guys tried the VLCT? It's a pretty nice shaft, between the SP and ST variants you can fit lots of golfers.

I have a VLCT 60ST x-flex that is really nice. Low/mid launch and good feel. My only question is... mine is listed as 3.3 torque. On the Cobra website, they list it as 4.0 torque...?

[TheGinMan]

These are out now in Australia, I saw them at my local golf shop this week and the guy said they've been in store for about a week.
It was definitely the fly z and fly z +, not the XL

[Oldboy]

[quote name='Mizunofan' timestamp='1420862514' post='10719921']
[quote name='Papa Johick' timestamp='1420002905' post='10663909']Really excited. Between this and vapor pro for me[/quote]

Same here!
[/quote]

+1

[DuckHook02]

Really excited to try these.

[LONG&STR8]

[quote name='Nickthurgood' timestamp='1420211011' post='10674111']
[quote name='MrFlapjack' timestamp='1420181202' post='10673413'][url="http://www.cobragolf.ca/fly-z-plus-driver"]http://www.cobragolf...y-z-plus-driver[/url][/quote]

Whoa when did they put that on their website? That's cool!

Also, did anyone notice that the loft on the website shows 8-11*. I always thought the plus was gonna be 8.5-11.5* ....at least that's what I swear they were advertising on their initial press releases! I'd much rather it go down to 8*, so that's cool
[/quote]

Looks like that was changed since then. Back to 8.5 to 11.5. I actually think that the hoopla about this driver has been about the weight technology but players will be surprised at the speed channel and the extra ball speed and forgiveness it will provide.

[quote name='MrFlapjack' timestamp='1420215559' post='10674441']
The only thing that makes me scratch my head is why they used yellow as the accent for the blue and white drivers? I'm no fashion designer, and my wife dresses me before I leave the house every morning, but those colors don't really seem to go together.
[/quote]

I don't think it's that bad especially on the bottom of the club. Remember the R7, 425 and SuperQuad?

[tigercolt77]

Got a chance to see the Fly Z + driver today, not allowed to hit it. Looks great, very much like the Bio Cell Pro at address. Rep stated that the biggest performance difference (other than the cg being adjustable) was ball speed on miss hits. He said 2-3 mph more ball speed on the Fly Z + versus the BCP.

[hayzooos]

[quote name='tigercolt77' timestamp='1421440673' post='10759037']
Got a chance to see the Fly Z + driver today, not allowed to hit it. Looks great, very much like the Bio Cell Pro at address. Rep stated that the biggest performance difference (other than the cg being adjustable) was ball speed on miss hits. He said 2-3 mph more ball speed on the Fly Z + versus the BCP.
[/quote]

This whole post will make a lot of people happy and pissed all at the same time. Happy for those as those are the exact improvements (and still same great shape) people wanted from the Pro. Pissed because it may be just enough of a change to warrant a new club.

[halfsumo]

[quote name='hayzooos' timestamp='1421446202' post='10759733']
[quote name='tigercolt77' timestamp='1421440673' post='10759037']
Got a chance to see the Fly Z + driver today, not allowed to hit it. Looks great, very much like the Bio Cell Pro at address. Rep stated that the biggest performance difference (other than the cg being adjustable) was ball speed on miss hits. He said 2-3 mph more ball speed on the Fly Z + versus the BCP.
[/quote]

This whole post will make a lot of people happy and pissed all at the same time. Happy for those as those are the exact improvements (and still same great shape) people wanted from the Pro. Pissed because it may be just enough of a change to warrant a new club.
[/quote]

Since most of us that own(ed) a Pro got them for peanuts, I think we'll manage.

[Hookasaurus Rex]

[quote name='halfsumo' timestamp='1421449625' post='10760117']
[quote name='hayzooos' timestamp='1421446202' post='10759733']
[quote name='tigercolt77' timestamp='1421440673' post='10759037']
Got a chance to see the Fly Z + driver today, not allowed to hit it. Looks great, very much like the Bio Cell Pro at address. Rep stated that the biggest performance difference (other than the cg being adjustable) was ball speed on miss hits. He said 2-3 mph more ball speed on the Fly Z + versus the BCP.
[/quote]

This whole post will make a lot of people happy and pissed all at the same time. Happy for those as those are the exact improvements (and still same great shape) people wanted from the Pro. Pissed because it may be just enough of a change to warrant a new club.
[/quote]

Since most of us that own(ed) a Pro got them for peanuts, I think we'll manage.
[/quote]

Hahaha. Yep. That was great. The BCP ended up being my gamer last summer.

This year, It will be between the DBD, BCP, and Fly z+...

[DFinch]

[quote name='SubaruWRX' timestamp='1420520056' post='10693321']
Can't wait for these. Just wondering what the difference will be between the Fly-Z and the Fly-Z+ with the weight set in the rear position? Maybe just the face depth being the biggest difference? A bit less spin from the +?
[/quote]

There is an article out there that gets into the math. The Fly-Z has a higher MOI and more low/back CG than the Fly-Z+ with the weight back. They claim the regular Fly-Z has a CG position within a few tenths of a millimeter of the G30 in a more "traditional" head shape.

The Fly-Z+ shifts it's CG 4mm from front to back when flipping the weight. Forward, it's the lowest and most forward CG driver on the market not counting the Bio Cell Pro, which was supposedly the prior leader. Back, it has the highest MOI of any other club with the exception of four, including the G25 and G30 (it was compared to 2014 models). They specifically said it has a higher MOI than the Bio Cell+ even with the weight in the forward position, while having a low/forward CG close to the Bio Cell Pro. That wil likely make Cobra fans drool. The MOI change front to back is 600 points.

The tester had a 600rpm, 2* launch and 3mph difference comparing front to back position. Cobra advertises 400rpm, .3* (yes, point 3) launch and .3 (again) mph difference.

The Fly-Z+ is either 2 weeks or 3 weeks (different release dates floating around out there) from release and they appear to still have an embargo in place. Rick Shiels has already tested it but said he can't release the video yet. This frustrates me.

I love my SLDR 430. If the CG claims are true, this will be a club with a significantly higher MOI with an even lower and more forward CG location in the forward position, with the ability to turn the thing into something very close to a G30 by flipping the weight back. If they've successfully done that, it's something special considering those clubs are at the opposite ends of the CG scale. That has the potential to knock the 430 out of my bag and I'm looking forward to putting them against each other (with the Nike Vapor Pro thrown in).

(edit) Left this out: They give a couple of numbers comparing the Z+ to the Z. The Z has a higher MOI by 300 points (which makes it 900 points higher than a Z+ with the weight forward) and should produce about 300 more rpm of spin (or about 900 more rpm than a Z+ in the forward position) at matching lofts.

This also suggests that your loft with the Z and the Z+ with weight in the back will need to be lower than when the Z+ is set in the forward position to find your best combo of launch/spin.

[MrFlapjack]

[quote name='DFinch' timestamp='1421552796' post='10767507']
[quote name='SubaruWRX' timestamp='1420520056' post='10693321']
Can't wait for these. Just wondering what the difference will be between the Fly-Z and the Fly-Z+ with the weight set in the rear position? Maybe just the face depth being the biggest difference? A bit less spin from the +?
[/quote]

There is an article out there that gets into the math. The Fly-Z has a higher MOI and more low/back CG than the Fly-Z+ with the weight back. They claim the regular Fly-Z has a CG position within a few tenths of a millimeter of the G30 in a more "traditional" head shape.

The Fly-Z+ shifts it's CG 4mm from front to back when flipping the weight. Forward, it's the lowest and most forward CG driver on the market not counting the Bio Cell Pro, which was supposedly the prior leader. Back, it has the highest MOI of any other club with the exception of four, including the G25 and G30 (it was compared to 2014 models). They specifically said it has a higher MOI than the Bio Cell+ even with the weight in the forward position, while having a low/forward CG close to the Bio Cell Pro. That wil likely make Cobra fans drool. The MOI change front to back is 600 points.

The tester had a 600rpm, 2* launch and 3mph difference comparing front to back position. Cobra advertises 400rpm, .3* (yes, point 3) launch and .3 (again) mph difference.

The Fly-Z+ is either 2 weeks or 3 weeks (different release dates floating around out there) from release and they appear to still have an embargo in place. Rick Shiels has already tested it but said he can't release the video yet. This frustrates me.

I love my SLDR 430. If the CG claims are true, this will be a club with a significantly higher MOI with an even lower and more forward CG location in the forward position, with the ability to turn the thing into something very close to a G30 by flipping the weight back. If they've successfully done that, it's something special considering those clubs are at the opposite ends of the CG scale. That has the potential to knock the 430 out of my bag and I'm looking forward to putting them against each other (with the Nike Vapor Pro thrown in).

(edit) Left this out: They give a couple of numbers comparing the Z+ to the Z. The Z has a higher MOI by 300 points (which makes it 900 points higher than a Z+ with the weight forward) and should produce about 300 more rpm of spin (or about 900 more rpm than a Z+ in the forward position) at matching lofts.

This also suggests that your loft with the Z and the Z+ with weight in the back will need to be lower than when the Z+ is set in the forward position to find your best combo of launch/spin.
[/quote]

Thanks for the info, this club is getting tested like non other, and I would be surprised if I'm not gaming it this year.

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

[quote name='DFinch' timestamp='1421552796' post='10767507']
[quote name='SubaruWRX' timestamp='1420520056' post='10693321']
Can't wait for these. Just wondering what the difference will be between the Fly-Z and the Fly-Z+ with the weight set in the rear position? Maybe just the face depth being the biggest difference? A bit less spin from the +?
[/quote]

There is an article out there that gets into the math. The Fly-Z has a higher MOI and more low/back CG than the Fly-Z+ with the weight back. They claim the regular Fly-Z has a CG position within a few tenths of a millimeter of the G30 in a more "traditional" head shape.

The Fly-Z+ shifts it's CG 4mm from front to back when flipping the weight. Forward, it's the lowest and most forward CG driver on the market not counting the Bio Cell Pro, which was supposedly the prior leader. Back, it has the highest MOI of any other club with the exception of four, including the G25 and G30 (it was compared to 2014 models). They specifically said it has a higher MOI than the Bio Cell+ even with the weight in the forward position, while having a low/forward CG close to the Bio Cell Pro. That wil likely make Cobra fans drool. The MOI change front to back is 600 points.

The tester had a 600rpm, 2* launch and 3mph difference comparing front to back position. Cobra advertises 400rpm, .3* (yes, point 3) launch and .3 (again) mph difference.

The Fly-Z+ is either 2 weeks or 3 weeks (different release dates floating around out there) from release and they appear to still have an embargo in place. Rick Shiels has already tested it but said he can't release the video yet. This frustrates me.

I love my SLDR 430. If the CG claims are true, this will be a club with a significantly higher MOI with an even lower and more forward CG location in the forward position, with the ability to turn the thing into something very close to a G30 by flipping the weight back. If they've successfully done that, it's something special considering those clubs are at the opposite ends of the CG scale. That has the potential to knock the 430 out of my bag and I'm looking forward to putting them against each other (with the Nike Vapor Pro thrown in).

(edit) Left this out: They give a couple of numbers comparing the Z+ to the Z. The Z has a higher MOI by 300 points (which makes it 900 points higher than a Z+ with the weight forward) and should produce about 300 more rpm of spin (or about 900 more rpm than a Z+ in the forward position) at matching lofts.

This also suggests that your loft with the Z and the Z+ with weight in the back will need to be lower than when the Z+ is set in the forward position to find your best combo of launch/spin.
[/quote]

So will it be lower spin than the Pro? I've been looking to get a Pro for a while but I'll have to wait and test both now. Might still have to go with the Pro since I can make the loft all the way down to 7

[DFinch]

[quote name='GauchoGolfer2' timestamp='1421554378' post='10767645']
[quote name='DFinch' timestamp='1421552796' post='10767507']
[quote name='SubaruWRX' timestamp='1420520056' post='10693321']
Can't wait for these. Just wondering what the difference will be between the Fly-Z and the Fly-Z+ with the weight set in the rear position? Maybe just the face depth being the biggest difference? A bit less spin from the +?
[/quote]

There is an article out there that gets into the math. The Fly-Z has a higher MOI and more low/back CG than the Fly-Z+ with the weight back. They claim the regular Fly-Z has a CG position within a few tenths of a millimeter of the G30 in a more "traditional" head shape.

The Fly-Z+ shifts it's CG 4mm from front to back when flipping the weight. Forward, it's the lowest and most forward CG driver on the market not counting the Bio Cell Pro, which was supposedly the prior leader. Back, it has the highest MOI of any other club with the exception of four, including the G25 and G30 (it was compared to 2014 models). They specifically said it has a higher MOI than the Bio Cell+ even with the weight in the forward position, while having a low/forward CG close to the Bio Cell Pro. That wil likely make Cobra fans drool. The MOI change front to back is 600 points.

The tester had a 600rpm, 2* launch and 3mph difference comparing front to back position. Cobra advertises 400rpm, .3* (yes, point 3) launch and .3 (again) mph difference.

The Fly-Z+ is either 2 weeks or 3 weeks (different release dates floating around out there) from release and they appear to still have an embargo in place. Rick Shiels has already tested it but said he can't release the video yet. This frustrates me.

I love my SLDR 430. If the CG claims are true, this will be a club with a significantly higher MOI with an even lower and more forward CG location in the forward position, with the ability to turn the thing into something very close to a G30 by flipping the weight back. If they've successfully done that, it's something special considering those clubs are at the opposite ends of the CG scale. That has the potential to knock the 430 out of my bag and I'm looking forward to putting them against each other (with the Nike Vapor Pro thrown in).

(edit) Left this out: They give a couple of numbers comparing the Z+ to the Z. The Z has a higher MOI by 300 points (which makes it 900 points higher than a Z+ with the weight forward) and should produce about 300 more rpm of spin (or about 900 more rpm than a Z+ in the forward position) at matching lofts.

This also suggests that your loft with the Z and the Z+ with weight in the back will need to be lower than when the Z+ is set in the forward position to find your best combo of launch/spin.
[/quote]

So will it be lower spin than the Pro? I've been looking to get a Pro for a while but I'll have to wait and test both now. Might still have to go with the Pro since I can make the loft all the way down to 7
[/quote]

This is a total guess based on the CG info provided by Cobra (and the frustrating lack of pre-release blog testing), but they said it's "nearly" as low and forward as the Bio Cell Pro with an MOI better than the Cell+. That suggests it won't be lower spinning than the Pro but will be close, but will be lower than the Cell+ and more forgiving.

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

[quote name='DFinch' timestamp='1421555517' post='10767751']
[quote name='GauchoGolfer2' timestamp='1421554378' post='10767645']
[quote name='DFinch' timestamp='1421552796' post='10767507']
[quote name='SubaruWRX' timestamp='1420520056' post='10693321']
Can't wait for these. Just wondering what the difference will be between the Fly-Z and the Fly-Z+ with the weight set in the rear position? Maybe just the face depth being the biggest difference? A bit less spin from the +?
[/quote]

There is an article out there that gets into the math. The Fly-Z has a higher MOI and more low/back CG than the Fly-Z+ with the weight back. They claim the regular Fly-Z has a CG position within a few tenths of a millimeter of the G30 in a more "traditional" head shape.

The Fly-Z+ shifts it's CG 4mm from front to back when flipping the weight. Forward, it's the lowest and most forward CG driver on the market not counting the Bio Cell Pro, which was supposedly the prior leader. Back, it has the highest MOI of any other club with the exception of four, including the G25 and G30 (it was compared to 2014 models). They specifically said it has a higher MOI than the Bio Cell+ even with the weight in the forward position, while having a low/forward CG close to the Bio Cell Pro. That wil likely make Cobra fans drool. The MOI change front to back is 600 points.

The tester had a 600rpm, 2* launch and 3mph difference comparing front to back position. Cobra advertises 400rpm, .3* (yes, point 3) launch and .3 (again) mph difference.

The Fly-Z+ is either 2 weeks or 3 weeks (different release dates floating around out there) from release and they appear to still have an embargo in place. Rick Shiels has already tested it but said he can't release the video yet. This frustrates me.

I love my SLDR 430. If the CG claims are true, this will be a club with a significantly higher MOI with an even lower and more forward CG location in the forward position, with the ability to turn the thing into something very close to a G30 by flipping the weight back. If they've successfully done that, it's something special considering those clubs are at the opposite ends of the CG scale. That has the potential to knock the 430 out of my bag and I'm looking forward to putting them against each other (with the Nike Vapor Pro thrown in).

(edit) Left this out: They give a couple of numbers comparing the Z+ to the Z. The Z has a higher MOI by 300 points (which makes it 900 points higher than a Z+ with the weight forward) and should produce about 300 more rpm of spin (or about 900 more rpm than a Z+ in the forward position) at matching lofts.

This also suggests that your loft with the Z and the Z+ with weight in the back will need to be lower than when the Z+ is set in the forward position to find your best combo of launch/spin.
[/quote]

So will it be lower spin than the Pro? I've been looking to get a Pro for a while but I'll have to wait and test both now. Might still have to go with the Pro since I can make the loft all the way down to 7
[/quote]

This is a total guess based on the CG info provided by Cobra (and the frustrating lack of pre-release blog testing), but they said it's "nearly" as low and forward as the Bio Cell Pro with an MOI better than the Cell+. That suggests it won't be lower spinning than the Pro but will be close, but will be lower than the Cell+ and more forgiving.
[/quote]

Ahh sounds great but I'll probably need to go with the Pro then. Unless I stuck some super low/low shaft in there but I don't have the resources to do that

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

Any chance of there being a Pro model in this line actually?

[DFinch]

[quote name='GauchoGolfer2' timestamp='1421558406' post='10767983']
Any chance of there being a Pro model in this line actually?
[/quote]

Cobra said no in the interview.

[DFinch]

[quote name='GauchoGolfer2' timestamp='1421558300' post='10767973']
[quote name='DFinch' timestamp='1421555517' post='10767751']
[quote name='GauchoGolfer2' timestamp='1421554378' post='10767645']
[quote name='DFinch' timestamp='1421552796' post='10767507']
[quote name='SubaruWRX' timestamp='1420520056' post='10693321']
Can't wait for these. Just wondering what the difference will be between the Fly-Z and the Fly-Z+ with the weight set in the rear position? Maybe just the face depth being the biggest difference? A bit less spin from the +?
[/quote]

There is an article out there that gets into the math. The Fly-Z has a higher MOI and more low/back CG than the Fly-Z+ with the weight back. They claim the regular Fly-Z has a CG position within a few tenths of a millimeter of the G30 in a more "traditional" head shape.

The Fly-Z+ shifts it's CG 4mm from front to back when flipping the weight. Forward, it's the lowest and most forward CG driver on the market not counting the Bio Cell Pro, which was supposedly the prior leader. Back, it has the highest MOI of any other club with the exception of four, including the G25 and G30 (it was compared to 2014 models). They specifically said it has a higher MOI than the Bio Cell+ even with the weight in the forward position, while having a low/forward CG close to the Bio Cell Pro. That wil likely make Cobra fans drool. The MOI change front to back is 600 points.

The tester had a 600rpm, 2* launch and 3mph difference comparing front to back position. Cobra advertises 400rpm, .3* (yes, point 3) launch and .3 (again) mph difference.

The Fly-Z+ is either 2 weeks or 3 weeks (different release dates floating around out there) from release and they appear to still have an embargo in place. Rick Shiels has already tested it but said he can't release the video yet. This frustrates me.

I love my SLDR 430. If the CG claims are true, this will be a club with a significantly higher MOI with an even lower and more forward CG location in the forward position, with the ability to turn the thing into something very close to a G30 by flipping the weight back. If they've successfully done that, it's something special considering those clubs are at the opposite ends of the CG scale. That has the potential to knock the 430 out of my bag and I'm looking forward to putting them against each other (with the Nike Vapor Pro thrown in).

(edit) Left this out: They give a couple of numbers comparing the Z+ to the Z. The Z has a higher MOI by 300 points (which makes it 900 points higher than a Z+ with the weight forward) and should produce about 300 more rpm of spin (or about 900 more rpm than a Z+ in the forward position) at matching lofts.

This also suggests that your loft with the Z and the Z+ with weight in the back will need to be lower than when the Z+ is set in the forward position to find your best combo of launch/spin.
[/quote]

So will it be lower spin than the Pro? I've been looking to get a Pro for a while but I'll have to wait and test both now. Might still have to go with the Pro since I can make the loft all the way down to 7
[/quote]

This is a total guess based on the CG info provided by Cobra (and the frustrating lack of pre-release blog testing), but they said it's "nearly" as low and forward as the Bio Cell Pro with an MOI better than the Cell+. That suggests it won't be lower spinning than the Pro but will be close, but will be lower than the Cell+ and more forgiving.
[/quote]

Ahh sounds great but I'll probably need to go with the Pro then. Unless I stuck some super low/low shaft in there but I don't have the resources to do that
[/quote]

I know the pain of being a high spin player. The only three drivers that have consistently given me the launch/spin conditions I want are the 983E (at 8.5*), Anser (at 8*) and SLDR 430 (at 10*).

That said, I spun the Cell+ less than the Cell Pro and it almost made it into my bag, which is why I'm really looking forward to trying the Z+.