Question about judging players

[Bigmean]

So I mean this as like a half serious half joking kind of thing, but I figured it may be a fun thread.

 

So I have read on here more times than I can count about what "players" game, or who is "good enough" to game certain things. Now this usually goes into a handicap thing, but lots of people do not keep a serious handicap (like myself) and really, anyone can pound the crap out of a home course and skew that some. I would like to think that I don't keep an organized handicap because I am too cool to really care, like I know how I play, but the reality is I have tried a few times and my ADHD wins before 3-5 rounds every single time.

 

So, my question is, how does the wrx community describe these "players" and those that are "good"? I see lots of terms and reference for this here, and just wanted to get everyone's take.

 

I will open up with mine. I think it is more lenient than some will be. I think anyone shooting mostly 85 and under is pretty damn good at golf. Basically, if someone is dropping 81, really even if not "70s" golf, they shouldn't be told much by anyone they don't solicit advice from.....equipment, swing advice, etc.

 

I think that a "player" is that mid 70s guy or lower. The dude that is guaranteed the invite to any Catholic Church best balls and always putts and drives last.

 

So help me out here, I feel like I need to be judging more bags at the range and on course, and I want to make sure that I classify these guys right! I sure hope "good" isn't a 0-3 cap because I never get paired with anyone good! But I must say, I have in general good random luck as far as both personalities go and good by my standards go. Have fun with it!

 

 

[tsupo]

well thats easy........ a playyyyyyyyyyyyyyahhhhhhhhhhhhhh is the guy that easily hits his 7 iron
247 yards .........
uphill............
into the wind ..........
with a cut,knock down.

plenty of playahs around here..,

[Kingcat990]

In a tournament enviorment with money on the line, score in the low 80's.

That's it for me. I've seen the industry standard "good player" to handicap standards fold like a flaccid pecker when a shot needs to count in a tournament. I don't care that he occasionally scores in the 70's on said course. Tourney environment changes things

[pegleg]

[quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1436402799' post='11913536']
what "players" game, or who is "good enough" to game certain things.
[/quote]

People who worry about what clubs are in other peoples' bags have psychological issues. The only people who might be allowed to comment are coaches and maybe pro caddies.
"Players" play whatever works for them. Or maybe whatever they like the looks of. Or what they think or hope will work. Or maybe what they can afford. Or maybe whatever they get for free or paid to play or perks for carrying.
People who are absolutely terrible do much the same.

[quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1436402799' post='11913536']
I think anyone shooting mostly 85 and under is pretty damn good at golf.
[/quote]

85 stands for miserable hackery on most websites where posting is anonymous. Bearing in mind that the vast majority of golfers don't register a handicap, and the average male handicap - I believe - is over 20, then you would be correct.
On an average course, 85 is probably way more good shots than bad.

[quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1436402799' post='11913536']
I feel like I need to be judging more bags at the range and on course
[/quote]

Please don't. Find another passtime like heckling imaginary people or counting pebbles from a distance.

[FyteOn]

[quote name='tsupo' timestamp='1436403348' post='11913586']
well thats easy........ a playyyyyyyyyyyyyyahhhhhhhhhhhhhh is the guy that easily hits his 7 iron
247 yards .........
uphill............
into the wind ..........
with a cut,knock down.

plenty of playahs around here..,
[/quote]

This is THE most ridiculous post ever. Everyone knows you have draw it....

[Bigmean]

Crap, if a mod can move this to the general equipment forum...I messed up and it was posted in here for some reason.....no offense to my JDM homies


Peg leg, this was meant to be a fun twist post on all the "judging" and "sizing up" that seems to be a common part of equipment threads. Like not "good enough to play_____" or had a ragged bag and no wood covers and was a "player". I think everyone else got the gist. I promise, if you are paired with me Friday, I will not be able to tell you what wedges you have after the round. I will likely notice your putter at best.

[kcsf]

[b] “Judge not before you judge yourself. Judge not if you’re not ready for judgment.”[/b]


[color=#181818]― [/color][url="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/25241.Bob_Marley"]Bob Marley[/url]


I'm judging you now on the ridiculousness of your thread.

[Bigmean]

Well, since you quoted my all time favorite musician I digress.......

I can assure you though that this was quite tongue and cheek and I thought would be something guys could have fun with in the regular forum (I mis posted it in here) since those guys are actually seemingly quite obsessed with such things........I think that my general attitude of not taking much serious and time in speaking is very lost in internet text sometimes.

But I guess I am not overly concerned about making sure that people "get" me.....if they do cool, if not, no worries......who da cap fit, let them wear it.

[Orlandogolfguru]

[quote name='Kingcat990' timestamp='1436404412' post='11913666']
In a tournament enviorment with money on the line, score in the low 80's.

That's it for me. I've seen the industry standard "good player" to handicap standards fold like a flaccid pecker when a shot needs to count in a tournament. I don't care that he occasionally scores in the 70's on said course. Tourney environment changes things
[/quote]

This.

[IamMarkMac]

I think you've got game if you go mid-80s with no mulligans, gimmies, improved lies,etc.

I actually don't care if you do those things as I'm pro casual golf. But just don't say you shot an 85 when you took two mulligans in the round.

[2putttom]

[quote name='kcsf' timestamp='1436551768' post='11924318']
[b] “Judge not before you judge yourself. Judge not if you’re not ready for judgment.”[/b]


[color=#181818]― [/color][url="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/25241.Bob_Marley"]Bob Marley[/url]


I'm judging you now on the ridiculousness of your thread.
[/quote]Thats what I told my proctologist.

[Forged4ever]

My Teacher of 32+ years, Pete Snead, was the first person that I ever saw capitalize the "P" in describing an Individual.

He only used the word with a capital "P."

All others were referred to as golfers-

So one day I walked into his office and I asked him what a "Player" was and without looking up from his paperwork he said, "don't worry about it. I'll let ya know if and when you ever are."

He didn't look up.

At the time I was a +2.5 coming off back-to-back Clubs along with qualifying with my Pro, Gary Ellis, for the National Pro/Am BB Tourney in Vegas-

He didn't even look up-

For Pete, yea, ability was important, but attitude and how you carried yourself was more important.

It wasn't until 1995, a year after my second back-to-backer and I was at +3.2 but I'd just gotten my clock destroyed by a Former Walker Cupper, Champions Tour Major Winner(2) 7&6(I was one over par after 12) and I was over by my bag and he was talkin to my Mother and I didn't hear the preceding comment/question from my Mother, though I'll remember his words as long as I live-

"He's a Player, and like Players, he'll be back out there tomorrow and he's gonna be fine."

Yep, I was just fine

For me, I use Pefe's barometer, a -3(legit and not a fantasy "club" plus) though I also look at how the individual carries themself.

In my vernacular, the word "player" does not exist, though I will use a lower case "p" for golfer who has a plus cap but is no more a Plus than my Mother.

Obviously I pay a true Plus the respect that they've earned with a capital "P."

So, that's about it~

This is my barometer and I do not impose them on anyone else, as I could care less what someone else does or doesn't do.

However I do ask that if ya don't agree me, that's great, though please, don't waste your words, time or post unless you just like to read your own words, cuz like most things in my life, I don't defend this and I don't justify it-

It is what it is and I'm good with it-

At the end of the day, that's all that matters to me

Later Ed: 07/12/15, 1:52am-> I'm sorry, I missed your question regarding judging someone based on their equipment/iron selection. Having learned and played the game at a time when Your selection of irons consisted of a Blade, Blade or another Blade, regardless of skill level, the only choice being cast or forged, so I have never judged another by the clubs in their bags.

I've played with Pluses who played with the Ping Eye 2s, I've played with Pluses who played with blades(Mizzy 14s) that from his 7i through PW was worn center face, yep, bout a nickel's worth, through the chrome to steel, and he still had this old beat Hogan persimmon driver, so yea, I've played with and seen a lot however I just never judged on equipment.

That, in my opinion, is a fool's game.

Stay Well Bros

God Bless,
Richard

[Forged4ever]

Actually, Biggie asked a legitimate question and it's a legitimate thread-

You can peruse my whatever the hell number of posts that I have on the board and you'll see that I only really "judge" those who meanly, unfairly or in a bullying manner, judge another member-

However in the real world, I am judged daily and must also judge daily-

I don't believe that I am an exception-

Rather the individual who can go through a day without being judged or judging, is very fortunate indeed-

Or they're a moron or a liar

Nice thread Biggie-

Ya can't please everyone Bro, and I'd worry if ya ever did, lol

You owe no one an explanation, least of all someone here!!!

Stay Well My Friend

As Always,


All the Best,
Richard

[2putttom]

[quote name='Forged4ever' timestamp='1436660556' post='11931252']
My Teacher of 32+ years, Pete Snead, was the first person that I ever saw capitalize the "P" in describing an Individual.

He only used the word with a capital "P."

All others were referred to as golfers-

So one day I walked into his office and I asked him what a "Player" was and without looking up from his paperwork he said, "don't worry about. I'll let ya know if and when you ever are."

He didn't look up.

At the time I was a +2.5 coming off back-to-back Clubs along with qualifying with my Pro, Gary Ellis, for the National Pro/Am BB Tourney in Vegas-

He didn't even look up-

For Pete, yea, ability was important, but attitude and how you carried yourself was more important.

It wasn't until 1995, a year after my second back-to-backer and I was at +3.2 but I'd just gotten my clock destroyed by a Former Walker Cupper, Champions Tour Major Winner(2) 7&6(I was one over par after 12) and I was over by my bag and he was talkin to my Mother and I didn't hear the preceding comment/question from my Mother, though I'll remember his words as long as I live-

"He's a Player, and like Players, he'll be back out there tomorrow and he's gonna be fine."

Yep, I was just fine

For me, I use Pefe's barometer, a -3(legit and not a fantasy "club" plus) though I also look at how the individual carries themself.

In my vernacular, the word "player" does not exist, though I will use a lower case "p" for golfer who has a plus cap but is no more a Plus than my Mother.

Obviously I pay a true Plus the respect that they've earned with a capital "P."

So, that's about it~

This is my barometer and I do not impose them on anyone else, as I could care less what someone else does or doesn't do.

However I do ask that if ya don't agree me, that's great, though please, don't waste your words, time or post unless you just like to read your own words, cuz like most things in my life, I don't defend this and I don't justify it-

It is what it is and I'm good with it-

At the end of the day, that's all that matters to me

Stay Well Bros

God Bless,
Richard
[/quote]Pete was your teacher..you lucky dawg.

[Bigmean]

For real^^^^. Richard, you ever hear the name of a course in Florida called "pinetree" out of Pete or Sams mouth?

Richard, always posting as awesome. The thread could be as serious or as total joking as anyone wanted to make it, that was the point. Everything on here is just killing time anyway, I swung and missed, and put it in the wrong forum to boot .

You remind me of this certain kind of snowbird I get paired with randomly a few times a winter. They are usually good, not you good, but good. And the golf conversation is minimal, but the life and sometimes business conversation is awesome start to finish and I always play pretty well when with these dudes, just good vibes rounds. I have always been a relatively lucky single when I roll out if I get paired.

[Forged4ever]

[quote name='2putttom' timestamp='1436661841' post='11931380']
[quote name='Forged4ever' timestamp='1436660556' post='11931252']
My Teacher of 32+ years, Pete Snead, was the first person that I ever saw capitalize the "P" in describing an Individual.

He only used the word with a capital "P."

All others were referred to as golfers-

So one day I walked into his office and I asked him what a "Player" was and without looking up from his paperwork he said, "don't worry about. I'll let ya know if and when you ever are."

He didn't look up.

At the time I was a +2.5 coming off back-to-back Clubs along with qualifying with my Pro, Gary Ellis, for the National Pro/Am BB Tourney in Vegas-

He didn't even look up-

For Pete, yea, ability was important, but attitude and how you carried yourself was more important.

It wasn't until 1995, a year after my second back-to-backer and I was at +3.2 but I'd just gotten my clock destroyed by a Former Walker Cupper, Champions Tour Major Winner(2) 7&6(I was one over par after 12) and I was over by my bag and he was talkin to my Mother and I didn't hear the preceding comment/question from my Mother, though I'll remember his words as long as I live-

"He's a Player, and like Players, he'll be back out there tomorrow and he's gonna be fine."

Yep, I was just fine

For me, I use Pefe's barometer, a -3(legit and not a fantasy "club" plus) though I also look at how the individual carries themself.

In my vernacular, the word "player" does not exist, though I will use a lower case "p" for golfer who has a plus cap but is no more a Plus than my Mother.

Obviously I pay a true Plus the respect that they've earned with a capital "P."

So, that's about it~

This is my barometer and I do not impose them on anyone else, as I could care less what someone else does or doesn't do.

However I do ask that if ya don't agree me, that's great, though please, don't waste your words, time or post unless you just like to read your own words, cuz like most things in my life, I don't defend this and I don't justify it-

It is what it is and I'm good with it-

At the end of the day, that's all that matters to me

Stay Well Bros

God Bless,
Richard
[/quote]Pete was your teacher..you lucky dawg.
[/quote]Absolutely I was!!!

He made me stretch as a Player, but much more importantly, he made me stretch as a Man-

And he introduced me to that Girl in my Avatar and for that, I will be forever Grateful-

He was an Amazing Man!!!

Have a great week 2Putt

My Best,
Richard

[Forged4ever]

[quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1436662951' post='11931470']
For real^^^^. Richard, you ever hear the name of a course in Florida called "pinetree" out of Pete or Sams mouth?

Richard, always posting as awesome. The thread could be as serious or as total joking as anyone wanted to make it, that was the point. Everything on here is just killing time anyway, I swung and missed, and put it in the wrong forum to boot .

You remind me of this certain kind of snowbird I get paired with randomly a few times a winter. They are usually good, not you good, but good. And the golf conversation is minimal, but the life and sometimes business conversation is awesome start to finish and I always play pretty well when with these dudes, just good vibes rounds. I have always been a relatively lucky single when I roll out if I get paired.
[/quote]Thanks for the kind words Biggie

In answer to your question, yes from both Pete and Sam, many, and I got play it with both twice. Pete's Professional Mentor, Tommy Armour, was also a member, along with many other Pros and World Class Ams(Ed Tutwiler).

Regarding swinging and missing, not at all!!

This is a solid thread though how in the hell did it end up in the JDM section, lmao?!?

Have a great week and rest of the season Bro

My Best,
Richard

[Bigmean]

***Please again, if a mod reads this can they please move it to the general equipment forum? I mistakenly thought I was there but was in JDM when I posted this***

Richard, I grew up in the house just before you make a right down the club driveway, 7 green is right behind my house. My father is not a golfer, more did we have the kind of money to join, but I learned the game by hitting wedges in that field between our house and the club drive and going out and walking holes every chance I had. I was constantly getting yelled at to get off, even had the police called a few times on me....as a kid walking holes at dusk after the members rounds were over... You learn quickly which holes you can and can't play based on both which ones the members that would call or yell lived on and which ones were cool. The only day of the year it is closed is Christmas, and we had a tradition right after presents to walk all 18. Starting at a high school age, we only played the tips, (which is the only way to play that course.) One of my most memorable rounds was a 39 on the back from the tips one Xmas. I saved the damn ball, still around someplace..

I got my first sets from george burns, I still have a set of palmer standards from him and actually my gamer is a cameron I refinished that he gave my brother for doing yard work for him. If it was summer and the club was dead I would go to the range at dusk and walk it with a 7 iron and just hit balls and put divots in the middle of the range. It was one of those evenings with a peerless palmer 7 iron where I first was able to actually "get" how to draw the ball, like on purpose, shot after shot, no more over the top. I know that course like the back of my hand, and I don't mean just close my eyes and fly through all the holes, trap locations, greens and slopes etc., I mean like I know hiding places, where fruit trees of houses where close enough to grab, the fastest way to get anywhere in the neighborhood through cutting across, best spots to fish, all that. Anyway, as I am sure you can tell, I love the place, I mean it is the "greatest flat course" in America. If it wasn't for that house, with that field right there, Even with my father having no interest in golf, I would very seriously not be a golfer today.

So that is my pinetree story. And despite my biased opinion, the track is LEGIT by any standards, I think in its best in those stupid rankings it was 4/5 in the state, forget what in country but made top 100 world one year, I remember it was like 98 or something, just snuck in. You go and break 85 from the golds there, and you may not be a PLAYER, but you did something good. Pinetree was long before long was cool, and "tiger proofing" was a phrase anyone knew about. I don't know what they are doing now, but with 10 as a par 4 it has to be like a 7400 par 71. I have one warm lead on a friend whose boss is a member and I bust his balls about making it happen this summer constantly. I wish Charlie was still there, in the dead of summer I could just kick him a Benjamin and he would tell me when it was safe to do it.

[3_Putt_Par]

IMHO everybody who picks up the game and gets out and plays it is a player.

We are all unique individuals and all play a different game which is sublime in its uniqueness. To say that someone who only shoots low is a player, is like saying that only people who are rich succeed in life.

We all have our own paths to walk and our own games to play. That's what makes this game wonderful and unique. It brings people, who would not otherwise share time with another, together and allows us the wonderful opportunity to experience the highs and lows with one another over a 4 1/2 hour journey.

So, enjoy the ride, make a new acquaintance and have fun.

[Forged4ever]

I was going to do another "Later Ed," however I just think this deserves it's own post-

The one thing that I did not make clear, though I hope that those that know me through my posts on the board know about me, and that is that as I stated above, I only judge in one particular situation, and more importantly to me at least, I accept other Imdividuals thoughts, beliefs and opinions regarding the Game(Yea, I always capitalize it, hahaha).

That is one of the single greatest things that I Love about the Game and that is the individuality that it allows one to exhibit, which is as rare in sports as it is in the outside world!

From one's dress to the clubs that they play to the way that they play and navigate a course, to even if they play for score or that play for fun, there is room for all-

It truly is an Individual choice and gives one the ability and opportunity to express themselves while moving towards a common goal.

That's why I feel badly when I see individuals who basically in an effort to fit in or be accepted, go with the herd, and leave their individualuality in the back seat.

However, as Madison pointed out, even THIS is an individual choice and not forced on them.

What I'm getting at(you know me and my roundabout ramblings, lol) is that if one does not think like I do or I they, that's great. I would never ever think of insulting someone if they disagree with everything that I posted above.

You can't get much more elliquant than 3_Putts words above me and he is 100% right in his observations and beliefs.

I just think that the prism through which we view, think about and Play this Game depends on how and who we were introduced to it by and who our Mentors or Individuals who influenced us were.

They can be long standing like Pete was for me or of a shorter period, though no less influential was my former Pro, Gary, to individuals like the Gentleman who allowed you on the course.

A kind act was committed, a memory made and hopefully a lesson learned that you could apply some day, though maybe not on the golf course.

Well Bro, ramble over, lmao

Have a great week

My Best,
Richard

[MJisGOAT]

^

Concision

[ebk]

I agree with Richard, and just have one thing to say about who plays what clubs. I had the priveledge a few years ago to play a round with a guy who has two green jackets and a hell of a lot of other trophies. I looked in his bag, and one of his 14 clubs was a very beat up, very old by tour standards - (late 80's/early 90's) Hogan three iron. Lead tape all over the head. Whenever he had to hit something 225 or so, and needed to land it on a target the size of a dinner plate, that was his go-to. Everything else in the bag, save the putter was virtually new and matched the brand name on his bag.

I found it particularly cool because I was playing a set of 1999 Hogans at the time - so I complimented him on his taste in three irons. He mentioned how he loved that club.

[FyteOn]

Only five living players with two, and two have the same last name. Pretty cool.

[redhead]

Just came across this thread. Awesome stories, Richard, Bigmean, and ebk.

You're such a lucky person, Richard!

[Sean2]

To me a Player is a +HI. A good golfer is 5 to scratch.

[dog flog]

I'll go. To me a good player will be content with a par but will take a bogey on most holes. A great player will be content with a birdie but will take a par on most holes. A really great player will make eagles and money on most tours.

[dan360]

[color=#282828]dan360's thoughts:[/color]

[color=#282828]-if a cat can be air dropped blindfolded onto any course in the world and break 90, they're pretty damn good at golf.[/color]

[color=#282828]-if a cat can be air dropped blindfolded onto any course in the world and scare the hell out of 79, they're really damn good at golf.[/color]

[color=#282828]-if a cat can be air dropped blindfolded onto any course in the world, shoot in the 70s with any rental set in the back, they're f'ing a stud and I'll buy them a beer.[/color]

[color=#282828]-if a cat can be air dropped blindfolded onto any course in the world and shoot in the 60's, I hate them but will admit they're a freak of nature and will buy them a beer. [/color]


[color=#282828]As far as what's in their bag, couldn't care less.[/color]



[color=#282828]*edit*[/color]

[color=#282828]-if they're an arrogant a** about it, I'll piss in the glass beforehand, but if they're good people, then all is cool. A person's character and how they carry themselves matters WAY more than what they wear or what they swing or whatever else they do with golf. [/color]

[Bigmean]

Wrx is a tough crowd!

I originally posted this awhile ago because I think it is interesting how how the opinions here vary, and of course to both prove that no moderators ever go in jdm section (why it is still here).

I am not sure what percentage of the population can break 90 airlifted to any course in the world, but I agree, you would be in a high enough percentage
To where you would be good at golf. Scaring 79 under the same, and you would be pretty damn good. I would think by that point point you are talking what, top 5% of people that play?

[dan360]

Top 5% or even greater, possibly.

Like most individual sports, or team sports with individual skill sets, being really good means your game travels.

Being the best at your own club is one thing. Taking your game on the road is a whole nother jar of honey, Pooh Bear.