The Secret History of Tiger Woods -

[nochct1]

Nicklaus finished second in 19 majors, and Woods has six runner-up results. Nicklaus had 48 top-three finishes at Slams, twice as many as Woods.

 

Tiger himself says it

 

"He's the greatest champion that's ever lived," Woods said of Nicklaus after winning the Memorial in 2012. Part of that was the standard lip service you pay to Nicklaus after winning his tournament, but part of it is knowing only one stat matters.

 

out of the 14 golfers who have more than 5 majors, Nicklaus faced more than half....tiger.....1

 

Are you counting Peter Thomson? Four of his 5 majors occurred before Jack turned pro. And did Americans even travel for the Open back when he was winning?

 

That's like saying Tiger competed against Nick Faldo. Faldo DID win a major when Tiger was a pro.

 

And, as pointed out earlier, when Jack was 40, he had competed against 3 people with 5 Majors. Tiger has 2.

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Who is the best to ever play the game?

 

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Probably the guy with the most majors.

 

Who is the best?

 

The best to ever play the game?

 

The best you ever say play the game?

 

Nobody ever played the game like this,

 

 

 

[Sean2]

I always thought one of the greatest, if not the greatest feat in golf was the US Open win by Francis Ouimet.

 

Here you got this lower middle class kid, having the audacity, the nerve, to want to play a game that was for the elite. What cheek! He has a rag tag bag of clubs, no support from his father, he's working at a job, no fancy practice facility...he had everything going against him.

 

And he goes out and wins the US Open, with a caddy who was smaller than the golf bag.

 

Imagine what it must have been like. Here is this nobody, this kid, that the brahamin's wouldn't give the time of day to, and he defeats two of the greatest golfers of the day! He also defeated an entire host of cultural and societal norms at that time.

 

Ouimet opened the doors for the common man and introduced him to golf.

[cdnglf]

Nicklaus finished second in 19 majors, and Woods has six runner-up results. Nicklaus had 48 top-three finishes at Slams, twice as many as Woods.

 

Tiger himself says it

 

"He's the greatest champion that's ever lived," Woods said of Nicklaus after winning the Memorial in 2012. Part of that was the standard lip service you pay to Nicklaus after winning his tournament, but part of it is knowing only one stat matters.

 

out of the 14 golfers who have more than 5 majors, Nicklaus faced more than half....tiger.....1

[Lodestone]

Who is the best to ever play the game?

 

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Probably the guy with the most majors.

 

Who is the best?

 

The best to ever play the game?

 

The best you ever say play the game?

 

Nobody ever played the game like this,

 

 

 

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then how come he didn't win more majors than someone who is supposedly not as good?

[SadTrombone]

1) Sir Nick did not win a major during the time Tiger has been a professional. He won the 96 Masters when Tiger was at Stanford preparing for his 6th consecutive USGA championship

B) winning six straight USGA amateur events (3 juniors and 3 amateurs) was probably the most impressive thing he's done as a golf. Tiger slam being a close second.

 

Seriously that's two sectional (his first junior and his first amateur championship he wouldn't have been exempt) qualifiers, 216 holes of stroke play qualifying for match play, and then 36 match play wins.

 

That...is damn impressive.

 

Damn impressive.

3) Palmer overrated? Disagree. Jones? Perhaps. If he hadn't won the grand slam, we likely wouldn't know much about him and the masters probably wouldn't exist. But that one summer made him, him.

[tsecor]

tiger who?

 

 

love Jack

[nochct1]

Who is the best to ever play the game?

 

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Probably the guy with the most majors.

 

Who is the best?

 

The best to ever play the game?

 

The best you ever say play the game?

 

Nobody ever played the game like this,

 

 

 

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then how come he didn't win more majors than someone who is supposedly not as good?

 

Why didn't Jack win more tournaments?

[tsecor]

Who is the best to ever play the game?

 

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[/media]

 

Probably the guy with the most majors.

 

Who is the best?

 

The best to ever play the game?

 

The best you ever say play the game?

 

Nobody ever played the game like this,

 

 

 

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then how come he didn't win more majors than someone who is supposedly not as good?

 

Why didn't Jack win more tournaments?

 

he was too busy with his wife and family and concentrated on majors...

 

tiger was too busy with other peoples wives and getting hit in the face with a wedge from his ex wife....nice teeth tiger

[tsecor]

tiger is a seal. howz that

[Scotty1140]

What do someone's teeth have to do with anything? Per usual this is way off track.

[SadTrombone]

What do someone's teeth have to do with anything? Per usual this is way off track.

 

Teeth start with the letter "T" and the world wants to know when he'll tee it up next.

 

Next. Next has four letters. Four rhymes with bore and snore. His dad snored. And I guess he was bored with Tida.

 

There, it's kind of tied together. Someone else can do the rest of it.

[dlygrisse]

Here is what I have learned from this thread.

 

Tiger is a very confident dude on the course but is kind of awkward off of it.

Tiger wanted to be a SEAL, but as anyone with a brain can figure out there is no guarantee he would have made it through BUDS

Tiger did all the "fun" cool stuff with the SEALS like shoot guns and jump out of airplanes, but he didnt participate in the really brutal stuff.

Tiger is a bad tipper and doesn't like to pick up tabs.

Tiger has some self worth issues, and he compensates by training with SEALS and banging Word not allowed chicks, much like his father did.

Some people think Tiger is the greatest player ever.

Some people think Jack is the greatest player ever.

Some people think Tiger played against deeper competition

Some people give the edge to Jack because the top level talent was better

 

 

Personally I can sum the whole thing up by saying Tiger played the best golf EVER, for a short period of time (late 1999 to 2001 with him being totally dominant in 2000), and golf equal to Jack for another period of time. But Jack had a longer period of sustained greatness and won more majors. Unless Tiger wins 15 majors this debate will never be settled. There is no doubt in my mind that Tiger-2000 would have beat Jack more often than not, but before that, and after that I call it a dead heat with Jack winning majors for a longer period of time. Now, if Tiger does come back and win more majors then I am proved wrong, but knowing the little I know about his back injuries I say it aint gonna happen.

 

They are without a doubt the 2 best golfers that ever lived. Hogan, Jones and Vardon, are playing for 3rd. No one else is in the discussion.

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then how come he didn't win more majors than someone who is supposedly not as good?

 

Who is the best ever?

 

The best you ever saw?

 

Just answer that one question.

 

[bscinstnct]

What do someone's teeth have to do with anything? Per usual this is way off track.

 

Capitulation,

 

nothing else to say ; )

[Lodestone]

Who is the best to ever play the game?

 

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Probably the guy with the most majors.

 

Who is the best?

 

The best to ever play the game?

 

The best you ever say play the game?

 

Nobody ever played the game like this,

 

 

 

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then how come he didn't win more majors than someone who is supposedly not as good?

 

Why didn't Jack win more tournaments?

 

He was bone fishing. (now if that doesn't open up a can of worms, I give up)

[herdman]

I think Tiger can win again. Not sure about majors but he will win again. Davis Love III won at 50 last year. So, are you telling me Tiger can't win again?

[Forged4ever]

I think Tiger can win again. Not sure about majors but he will win again. Davis Love III won at 50 last year. So, are you telling me Tiger can't win again?

Good Morning :)

 

I too believe that he will win again-

 

Lets not forget his rising from the ashes from his personal life fiasco to win 4-5 times in 2013 and ascend to #1 again.

 

I don't know if he's got another run to the mountain top in him however I believe that he will get at least another victory.

 

For selfish reasons I don't want him to pass Sam

 

Have a nice week!!

 

My Best,

RP

[Ty_Webb]

Here is what I have learned from this thread.

 

Tiger is a very confident dude on the course but is kind of awkward off of it.

Tiger wanted to be a SEAL, but as anyone with a brain can figure out there is no guarantee he would have made it through BUDS

Tiger did all the "fun" cool stuff with the SEALS like shoot guns and jump out of airplanes, but he didnt participate in the really brutal stuff.

Tiger is a bad tipper and doesn't like to pick up tabs.

Tiger has some self worth issues, and he compensates by training with SEALS and banging Word not allowed chicks, much like his father did.

Some people think Tiger is the greatest player ever.

Some people think Jack is the greatest player ever.

Some people think Tiger played against deeper competition

Some people give the edge to Jack because the top level talent was better

 

 

Personally I can sum the whole thing up by saying Tiger played the best golf EVER, for a short period of time (late 1999 to 2001 with him being totally dominant in 2000), and golf equal to Jack for another period of time. But Jack had a longer period of sustained greatness and won more majors. Unless Tiger wins 15 majors this debate will never be settled. There is no doubt in my mind that Tiger-2000 would have beat Jack more often than not, but before that, and after that I call it a dead heat with Jack winning majors for a longer period of time. Now, if Tiger does come back and win more majors then I am proved wrong, but knowing the little I know about his back injuries I say it aint gonna happen.

 

They are without a doubt the 2 best golfers that ever lived. Hogan, Jones and Vardon, are playing for 3rd. No one else is in the discussion.

 

Poor old Walter, just doesn't get his dibs does he? He won 11 majors. Third on the all time list. So many people say that majors won is the only stat that counts. They just don't say that when it comes to ranking players after Tiger. Walter won those 11 majors when there were only three available to him. He was done winning them by the time the Masters even started. Not to mention that he won his 1st in 1914 and then missed out on 11 of those three per year majors over the next few years because of the war. PGA Championship wasn't even founded then. Between 1914 when he won his first major and 1929 when he won his last, he played in 30 majors and won 11 of them. That's a substantially better win rate than Tiger or Jack managed. He had 15 other top tens too, for 26 out of 30 top tens (I'm counting losing in the quarters or semis of the PGA as top tens).

 

But he's not even in the discussion for 3rd? Riddle me that?

[tsecor]

he is 2

[Lodestone]

I think Tiger could win again, but I don't think he will win a major or a top field event. If he is willing to play some of the events that don't draw all of the top players, I think he could pull it off.

 

He has a lot of mountains to climb:

 

Will his body hold up?

Will his swing hold up?

Will his putting stroke hold up?

Will his nerves hold up?

 

Yes he was awesome, but now, he's not. And he has not been awesome, or even very good for quite a long time.

[herdman]

Tiger won 5 tournaments in 2013. That is a great career for most PGA players. He won 5 tournaments out of 16 events that year.

 

If he stays healthy he will win again.

[tsecor]

He may have a "jack" moment left in him but highly doubtful given his injury history and lack of skill set

[Lodestone]

Tiger won 5 tournaments in 2013. That is a great career for most PGA players. He won 5 tournaments out of 16 events that year.

 

If he stays healthy he will win again.

 

true. I remember that. However that was a couple of back surgeries and a case of the chip-yips ago. followed by a very long layoff....Not too sure what he did 3 years ago is all that relevant to what he is now.

[Forged4ever]

Here is what I have learned from this thread.

 

Tiger is a very confident dude on the course but is kind of awkward off of it.

Tiger wanted to be a SEAL, but as anyone with a brain can figure out there is no guarantee he would have made it through BUDS

Tiger did all the "fun" cool stuff with the SEALS like shoot guns and jump out of airplanes, but he didnt participate in the really brutal stuff.

Tiger is a bad tipper and doesn't like to pick up tabs.

Tiger has some self worth issues, and he compensates by training with SEALS and banging Word not allowed chicks, much like his father did.

Some people think Tiger is the greatest player ever.

Some people think Jack is the greatest player ever.

Some people think Tiger played against deeper competition

Some people give the edge to Jack because the top level talent was better

 

 

Personally I can sum the whole thing up by saying Tiger played the best golf EVER, for a short period of time (late 1999 to 2001 with him being totally dominant in 2000), and golf equal to Jack for another period of time. But Jack had a longer period of sustained greatness and won more majors. Unless Tiger wins 15 majors this debate will never be settled. There is no doubt in my mind that Tiger-2000 would have beat Jack more often than not, but before that, and after that I call it a dead heat with Jack winning majors for a longer period of time. Now, if Tiger does come back and win more majors then I am proved wrong, but knowing the little I know about his back injuries I say it aint gonna happen.

 

They are without a doubt the 2 best golfers that ever lived. Hogan, Jones and Vardon, are playing for 3rd. No one else is in the discussion.

 

Poor old Walter, just doesn't get his dibs does he? He won 11 majors. Third on the all time list. So many people say that majors won is the only stat that counts. They just don't say that when it comes to ranking players after Tiger. Walter won those 11 majors when there were only three available to him. He was done winning them by the time the Masters even started. Not to mention that he won his 1st in 1914 and then missed out on 11 of those three per year majors over the next few years because of the war. PGA Championship wasn't even founded then. Between 1914 when he won his first major and 1929 when he won his last, he played in 30 majors and won 11 of them. That's a substantially better win rate than Tiger or Jack managed. He had 15 other top tens too, for 26 out of 30 top tens (I'm counting losing in the quarters or semis of the PGA as top tens).

 

But he's not even in the discussion for 3rd? Riddle me that?

The Haig is my #3 and mentally, he wouldn't give an inch to Tiger or Jack

 

To come from an all-nighter(numerous times) showing up at the course in his tux from the prior evening's event and kick the s*** out of everyone present, hahaha

 

THAT is one Talented Individual

 

Fairways & Greens My Friend,

RP

[Forged4ever]

Tiger won 5 tournaments in 2013. That is a great career for most PGA players. He won 5 tournaments out of 16 events that year.

 

If he stays healthy he will win again.

 

true. I remember that. However that was a couple of back surgeries and a case of the chip-yips ago. followed by a very long layoff....Not too sure what he did 3 years ago is all that relevant to what he is now.

I've always used prior performance and outcomes as a fairly accurate forecaster of future performance & outcomes

 

That being said, there are two HUGE variables in play with Tiger-

 

1) His health

2) His mental state of mind(Is he still hungry)

 

Tiger, I believe, had something to prove to the world and his nay sayers in that he did not want his personal life fiasco to be the final chapter, hence, the drive back to #1 in the world and the 4-5 victories to go with it.

 

If he still has gas in the mental tank, he will win again as long as he can Play

 

Just my .01 worth :)

 

Stay well My Friend

 

My Best,

RIchard

[Lodestone]

Tiger won 5 tournaments in 2013. That is a great career for most PGA players. He won 5 tournaments out of 16 events that year.

 

If he stays healthy he will win again.

 

true. I remember that. However that was a couple of back surgeries and a case of the chip-yips ago. followed by a very long layoff....Not too sure what he did 3 years ago is all that relevant to what he is now.

I've always used prior performance and outcomes as a fairly accurate forecaster of future performance & outcomes

 

That being said, there are two HUGE variables in play with Tiger-

 

1) His health

2) His mental state of mind(Is he still hungry)

 

Tiger, I believe, had something to prove to the world and his nay sayers in that he did not want his personal life fiasco to be the final chapter, hence, the drive back to #1 in the world and the 4-5 victories to go with it.

 

If he still has gas in the mental tank, he will win again as long as he can Play

 

Just my .01 worth :)

 

Stay well My Friend

 

My Best,

RIchard

 

yep. it all depends upon which prior outcomes we want to give the most weight to. Prior outcomes from 2013 would point to Tiger coming back in a big way. Other prior outcomes from other elite athletes trying to come back after multiple surgeries and long layoffs, after their 40th birthdays would probably point us in another direction.

 

I'm leaning strongly in the direction of maybe a win, probably not, and really not seeing a major. If he ever even contends in a major, it will be electrifying to watch. It would be great sports drama, for sure.

[Ty_Webb]

lack of skill set

 

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha good one

[SadTrombone]

I think Tiger can win again. Not sure about majors but he will win again. Davis Love III won at 50 last year. So, are you telling me Tiger can't win again?

If he can win, he can win a major. The fields are almost identical week in, week out.

 

I'm not sure he will, but if he can beat 150 of the best players in the world, what does it matter what the trophy says? Whether it's Joe's Plumbing Western Kentucky Classic or the US Open, It's still >100 of the best players in the world.

[bscinstnct]

http://www.golfchannel.com/media/behind-scenes-best-photos-tiger-jam/#slide-12

 

 

 

 

 

TW getting back in form.