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[billh17]

I actually got on the course this afternoon ! Took my 7i and PW, and walked 9 holes.

Was a beautiful day, 52 degrees and very little wind. I was surprised that the course wasn't

too soft to play. It wasn't bad at all. Enjoyed the day,hit some shots. actually par'ed a hole !

It was truly nice to get out, get some fresh air. Swing felt like an old wellwater hand pump that

hasn't been used for awhile ! By the end ,was loosened up nicely. Hope i dont feel it too much

in the morning !

[tolmij]

I am still amazed at the technical information touted round in the Grille. I have been a member of two Australian golf sites for many years and have not seen 1% of the information in here over all those years.

They were concentrating on three things, telling everyone how good they were, golf games were reported stroke by stroke, commenting on how good their games were compared to the person playing in the same group. Being stupid, using as much fowl language as possible and the moderators were just as bad, posting many sexual innuendoes that sometimes you thought you were on a porn site, finally getting rid of anyone they thought did not fit in with them, there was never any room for personal preference, if you did not agree with the group the treatment was feral until you were fed up and left, one person made several complaints to the site management but was told complain again and you will be banned, he left but still today three/four years after he is still being vilified.

so back to my original statement, I read it, try to understand it, but in my ignorance have never picked up a club and thought it was too heavy, too long, wrong shaft. For a long time I played with a set of plus2” clubs purchased off sons work mate, he was 6’3”, I am 5’6”, played with those for several years, not very well I might add, and was surprised when I received a new set for a Christmas present that were custom built and could suddenly hit the ball consistently, never gave that much thought until I started reading Stu and friends technical conversations. The challenge is now to take more notice when I start playing once more.

As a side note, the medication I am taking has performed a miracle, I am now aware this has been building up for over 12 months, not felt this fit or ready to go for a long time.

Stay safe Grillers.

[billh17]

TOL : That is great news !

[Fellaheen51]

The tall golfer dilemma, higher swing weights. The added length alone accounts for 12 SW pts. Using the ratio of .5" change = 3 SW pts. Still, E6 sounds a bit high. The standard Mavrik SW is D1, should have come in at ~ E3 based on 2" longer than standard (i.e. 39" 7 iron). Not much one can do about it. Back weighting is not really a viable alternative either. Would take 5 grams on the butt end for a one point reduction in SW. You would have to add a lot of weight just to reduce into the high D range. With the consequence of significantly increasing the static weight of the club, potentially impacting tempo and feel of the club during the swing by the extra heft. I've done some quick and easy club weight testing using nickels (5 grams) taped to a club. In my case, the hosel end of a putter. Same principle would hold for taping to the butt end. If you wanted to experiment with back weighting the wedges. Sounds like you went steel in the CBX 2's. F2? Man, that's heavy!

Assuming you are confident that your length determination is accurate for your stature and arm length (WTF). Being taller requires a certain alchemy of length, lie angles, shaft weight (and by extension overall club weight) that a "regular" sized golfer doesn't face to the same degree of effect. Always easy to add weight to obtain a preferred SW, near impossible to subtract weight. Short of drilling out heads.

I'm shorter than you (6'2"), and have shortish arms (38.5" WTF). I've been basic fit from + .5" to + 1.5" depending whom was doing the "advising". Didn't have much confidence with either, already knowing where I needed to be. I feel comfortable at address and while swinging working off a 37.75" 7 iron length (+2* up) that keeps the SW manageable. Getting the length correct is the first priority with my irons. The new iron build last year came in at D3 with a 73 gram graphite shaft. The first time with graphite in irons. Steel shafts have historically come in ~ D6. Grown accustomed to playing in the mid D range. However, I'm not that sensitive to SW differences of a few points.

If you're comfortable swinging E6, that's what you roll with I suppose.

 

[billh17]

All my swingweights are at D1,and I have swung a club as high as D8. But I gotta tell

you i could feel the difference between the D1 and the D8. A lot. I cant even imagine

what Seans would feel like !The most interesting articles I have found were from Tom

Wishon. he has a ten article series on club fitting,and gets into every aspect at a level

that the layman can understand. You can google Tom Wishon swingweight and it will

take you to it. I am like Tol.. I knew a little, but the conversations on here from Stu ,Reason,

Fella,and all of you guys have really gotten me into wanting to explore it more !

LOL For years I was a see ball....hit .ball...find ball...repeat....

[Conrad1953]

Great news Tol!

 

Earlier today I was a little ticked and wondering why some things were not getting delivered today as the tracking

was showing they were in the area. Then Cobi told me it was President's Day today........................duh...........funny how

being retired you forget about these "holidays".

 

Glad you got out to play some today Bill!

[Gauchograd99]

My MP4s are D2.5 from 3-7 iron and then D3.5 from the 8-PW. The Apex MB's are somewhere in the D2-D3 range. The Mavrik SZ driver is supposed to be D3 if my memory serves me. (Edit before posting: It is D3). My XHot Pro 3+ is also D3... hmmm. I see a pattern building. My 54 and 58 degree wedges are D4, and I cannot find a spec for the MPT-4 50 degree wedge. I think it is D3... lol! At this point I wouldn't be surprised if my putter was D3, shoes were D3, and my hat was D2.5.

[Michael C.]

Good to hear you're feeling better, Mr. Tol.

 

On swing weights? Holy crap on a cracker, gentlemen!!I'm amazed at the knowledge of swings and equipment just in this thread.

 

I know what works in my swing. I learned that from experimenting on the range. I'll change grip, stance, ball position, the actual direction of my back swing and follow through. I swing just to see what I can make the ball do. Reasy, l and I used to talk "if and then". "If" you do this "then" the ball does that. Or, "if" you do this in the swing "then" you need to do that to compensate.

 

Come back Reasy. We miss you. Hope everything is okay, my friend!

 

I'm always baffled by questions on where you should play the ball in your stance. I know theres a standard. Somewhere around my right man boob. Lol. I'm a lefty. But I'll play it anywhere from front toe to back foot.

 

Equipment either feels right or it dont. Haha. Couldn't tell tell you a static weight from a swing weight in any of my clubs. I know my 6i is lighter and 4i is heavier in the set I have now. I'd be willing to bet on that. I once had a clerk at a golf shop change the grip on a used hybrid I was buying. I told him it had 2 wraps under the grip. He thought I was crazy until he changed it. Two layers of tape on it. Lol. I did pay for the new grip. The guy took me pretty serious in my tshirt and cargo shorts when I came in after that. He figured out my game was solid and the money was just as green as the guys in the polo golf shirts. DUH!!

[Michael C.]

I knew this.

 

I worked 10 hours on my holiday.

 

I'm just sayin....

[tolmij]

We are having problems with deliveries in Australia, most of our hard goods are manufactured in China and everything is being put into quarantine for a number of weeks. We have some items we ordered today in the shop and the salesman told us today up to three months, normally two weeks.

DW ordered stuff from China before the outbreak, it has arrived since and so is unopened in house quarantine for three months. Can’t be too careful.

[Sean2]

@Fellaheen51 I am 6'5" (6'6" with shoes on) with relatively short arms. Yes, you are correct, increasing the static weight of the club by that much would not really be all that productive. Anything less than +2-inches and I feel like I am squatting. I understand that E6 is supposed to be heavy, but I have been playing with this kind of club for so long I really don't know any difference. The last set of steel shafted clubs I had were from Ping. The tag that was attached to the club said E8. In any case I am used to it and don't feel any club "heaviness". But, at least now I know how it can possibly affect my game to a degree. @tolmij I am happy to hear you are feeling better. :-)@billh17 Thanks for the Wishon tip. I have been reading a lot about swing weights. One suggestion was to drill some of the metal out of the club head, but I don't see myself doing that. And, counter-weighting is off the table. I will just stick with what I have I suppose. :-)

[Sean2]

I know what you mean...sometimes I forget what day it is. :-)

[Sean2]

I rarely hit a wedge shot full (54/58/62), so I grip down on them quite a lot. I hadn't thought of this, but I suppose the added benefit is it reduces SW. At our short range (up to 100 yards), I will put the pins at 10 yard intervals starting at 30 yards and going up to 80, and will practice hitting my wedges to those locations. It helps me learn that if I take a half swing with a 58, exactly how far it will go, or a three-quarter with a 62, etc. I also play the ball from princess lies to lies where you can only see the top of the ball (I do this with chipping too). Since I don't hit a lot of greens, lol, I have to practice my short game...a lot. The nice thing about developing a decent short-game is you don't need to be young or athletic to do so.

As to where to put the ball in your stance...experiment. If I want to launch it higher I will put it forward in my stance, lower, I will put it back.

[Sean2]

I have a friend who is on the LPGA Tour (google Megan Khang), and she had three tournaments cancelled in Asia due to the flu. Nasty situation. I hope they can find some kind of vaccine for it and soon.

[Gauchograd99]

Soapbox and science time... sorry all.

If China had spent more time and effort working on a vaccine for the coronavirus (and an effective quarantine) as opposed to spending all their effort silencing those warning about it, the outbreak would not have gotten to this level. I expect there to be more cases in the US shortly, and I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes a pandemic of sorts. Our flu shot effectivity is terrible at best (14% is a joke), the "hype" behind need for it is ignored by most just like tornado warnings were when I was in Alabama, and nobody will do much about this until it hits the bottom line. Just remember where all the electronics, golf clubs, sporting goods, home goods, etc., are made... it won't take much longer until the hurt for goods hits.

I'm curious if anyone has looked into whether this is a genetically modified virus (i.e. a "lab" virus) and what "signatures" might be present on this one.

I think it is time for the rest of the world to use this opportunity to find alternative suppliers for goods and services. It isn't like having everything made in China is that much cheaper these days... but they can keep their viruses.

Time to exit the soapbox and get back to work... and maybe a nice sleep tonight. This 3-5 hours of sleep thing is wearing on me... making me cranky.

[Conrad1953]

One thing that came out of this is the knowledge of what the Chinese eat; like...............bats, rodents of all sorts, and

the list goes on. Can't imagine what the food trucks serve in Wuhan...............bat burritos anyone? LOL.

[Conrad1953]

Gaucho, Cobi and I have never had a flu shot but we did consent to the pneumonia shots this season; with a follow up

pneumonia shot a year later. Our doctor told us the pneumonia shots are, literally, life saving. Do you agree with that?

[Gauchograd99]

I'm not a medical practitioner, but from what I have heard from many doctors out there the pneumococcal vaccine really does save lives. The main difference between that and the flu shot/spray comes down to efficacy and how that is achieved. Pneumococcal virus is pretty well identified and there are not many variants that would not be affected by the strains we know and have in the vaccine. However, the flu morphs ALL THE DAM TIME ... like what I get sick with and pass to you could be different (and probably will be).

Since there are so many different strains of the flu virus (remember H1N1 and H2N1... and H1N2?) and they all are genetically "unique" from each other. Therefore, the flu shot has to be designed based on what strains are believed to be prominent in the next year. They don't know... computers (probably the same supercomputer that Callaway bought LOL!) can try to determine what will be prominent, but what the major issue is IMHO is that the flu is REGIONAL while the shots/sprays are GLOBAL (or at least by continent). There is NO WAY you can account for the flu in China and in the US and Austraila in one shot. You might get lucky and get a 27-40% efficacy (never seen these numbers that I know of) ... and you might end up with a shot like 3 or4 years ago (somewhere back a bit) where the efficacy was under 10%.... I think it was 7%??

Now, do I think that the flu shot is a good idea for people with weakened immune systems? It probably is a good call as it might just save a life or 10,000... or at least minimize the effect of the flu on a person. Do I think it is worth a darn to me? I'm a numbers person, and until I see an efficacy that is highly elevated and can protect me if I am in Hong Kong or India or the Middle East (etc.) it is hard for me to talk myself into GETTING SICK TO MINIMIZE GETTING SICK. Yup... I'm one of those with some vaccines.

[Sean2]

I would get pneumonia every January. This year I got the shot. It helped. :-)

[Sean2]

I received an invitation today to join the USGA. I think not, lol

[Fellaheen51]

Thanks for posting that analysis. Illuminating. And served as a reminder to head to the pharmacy today for the second pneumonia shot. Don't ever want to get pneumonia again. Got the second shingles shot in January. Skipped the flu shot. Again.

[BIG STU]

Send the stuff back to them in their postage paid envelop with a terse little note or a nasty note telling them where to stick it. I did it several times . Finally took about 5 or 6 times you know how desperate people get for money. The last time must have worked because I have not received anything from them for over a year. I tried to quote you on where you posted on this subject and it quoted this go figure

[BIG STU]

No matter what the golf gurus want you to believe there is no one set standard proper ball position for everyone. Everyone swings differently and their moment of impact is different and in a different position. And while we are on the subject of that everyone's angle of attack is different too. You have to find the ball position that fits your swing and AOA. I would also dare say from your post that you have a deft eye and feel too which I have also been blessed with or cursed with depending on the situation. As far as playing I have always been a feel and instinct player.

[tolmij]

Pneumonia vaccine is tried and tested, whilst it does not stop it altogether if you do get it the results are way better, we had them years ago and DW contracted it last year, it was so mild it was almost unnoticeable. We have the flu jab every year as it is normally targeted and we never react to it, just another precaution.

I cannot believe the stupidity of people and the greed, still on sale in China are the animals that started this problem, several dealers have been caught selling them in bulk, they will eat anything in the belief it is doing their health good, no brains, compassion for the animals, or common sense. Perhaps this may be the wake up they needed but somehow I don’t think so. In the local papers last week was a video of a young woman in a cafe eating a whole roasted bat, the biggest danger of all. In Australia we have millions of bats that live in the trees near houses, fruit bats, if you see one of these on the floor dead you are advised never to touch it without adequate protection, the diseases they carry are deadly and many people have been seriously ill from not heeding this warning.

the message Grillers is talk to Gus about keeping our Grille menu strictly American. ?

[tolmij]

Love your posts about your golfing exploits because that is what I think golf should be about, total enjoyment, Too many sports now have been spoiled by the pursuit of money.

[dan360]

HI everybody, I just bought some PXGs. Tipped right over into full club ho again. Well, not quite, I bought a used set that was close to my specs, liked them, so I ordered a brand new set. The 0211 cast ones. I'm going for this sort of midlife-not-crisis phase of recreating things from my younger days, but improved upon. Restomod if you will. But at any rate I've already sold the used set and also sold my Adams CB3s so 1 set gained, 2 sets gone. Proud of myself for that!

The PXG 0211s play like, in my mind, PINGs if PING followed the (old) Mercedes Benz production scheme of build-the-best-thing-you-can-and-figure-out-the-price-later. Are they any better for me? Dunno, but they were on sale and since I'm a single loser with no family, I pulled the trigger. All my vehicles except two motorcycles are on permanent "old car" registrations and my house is ancient, so I may as well have shiny new golf equipment. They sure feel nice, though.

Still shopping for the gap between the 3W and the 4i. Might go back in time and grab an Adams or a Nickent....

Lots of people around here in WA are worried about the Wuhan. There is one confirmed case here, one showing possibilities, 24 confirmed negatives, and about 750 people under observation. I went and got dim sum the other day in Chinatown and it seemed everyone was wearing a mask. Except me.

[Sean2]

Too late Stu. I pretty much ripped it in half right after I received it. :-)

[Sean2]

Parson's hired a couple of Ping club engineers when he started PXG. Enjoy!

One US Senator (forget who), opined that there is a biohazard level 4 lab in Wuhan and that this thing might have come from there. IF it was an engineered virus, I would think they could tell when they examined it under an electron microscope, or whatever it is they use.

[tolmij]

Even though they caused the problem, the Chinese government will not accept any blame. At present they are annoyed at the Australian Government for restricting travel, especially the thousands that come over for university and college. Some universities are talking bankruptcy because the millions of Chinese dollars are stopped, they are not bothered about the wider implication of mass infection and probable deaths. As usual it’s money that talks.

[Conrad1953]

You still have the baby blades?