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[Fellaheen51]

55 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

I can still hit the long irons not as well or as high but still can. My problem being a feel and instinct player is swinging too hard because I know darn well I have to generate more swing speed to hit them. Last week in the shoot out was a prime example. The wind was up some and I was the "driver" of the bunch on my pick up team. Yep I had the 3 and 4 irons in and yes I pushed the issue too much. After 12 holes I started getting sore and stiff. In fact so bad I withdrew my wife and I from the afternoon Nine and Dine. Did manage with help from my cane and back brace to stumble the 26 steps up to the sound booth for Sunday services. Sat on my rear in my massaging chair until Wednesday. Hit about 15 whiffle balls in the yard off the mat and was ok. 

 

Went out to the course yesterday and talked to a friend who has a golf acamedy there. We both have similar backgrounds and go way way back to the old Space Coast Tour in Florida. We are the same age. We had a talk and he is also an old school feel and instinct player too but he does not teach that way. He said our minds are trying to do 24 year old stuff that our 64 year old bodies can no longer pull off. We were talking about my hurting last week. He brought up the point of torsional vibration transfer. Yep with steel shafts and believe it or not I play standard size Tour Wraps. You may not know it per say but that vibration does transfer through the whole body. He does know the extent of my injuries and my nerve damage and the vibrations are causing my back nerves to act up. He talked me into going back to the house and geting my TMs with the graphite shafts. He got me to swinging those as I watched and would not let me swing hard. Main thing I did was hit about 40 balls with ample breaks in between. I hit those irons pretty well and had no pain. He said he saw me on the range when I first got those irons and I remember he had asked what shafts were in them? He told me I was swinging them too fast and hard for what the shafts were designed for. He also pointed out him being a blade man himself that we were not as physically able to practice like we once did and we could not hit as consistant as we once did. In other words we need a little forgiveness. The jury is still out on me playing CBs with graphite even those are "players cavities". I told him I do not hurt my back playing my vintage rounds with steel and persimmon. He said that was easy. When out there playing vintage I am not competing and trying to beat someone and shooting at a score so I am not swinging hard. In my mind I am still a competive person. He also noted that my swing was always fast and violent something my old man had said 45 years ago. So basically for now I am in full old man mode and am trying the graphites again with the 7 & 9 woods thrown in. I had that talk with him because honestly I was thinking about giving up the game period and going fishing or buying an old hot rod and renting a place to work on it at.  I remembered my old man gave up the game around my age because of health issues and diminished distance. He stayed at the course and gave lessons etc but did not play. 

 

Stu.  Far be it from me to offer cheap commentary about club things.  You have forgotten more about this stuff than I'll ever know or understand.   

 

Why not a graphite shaft in a 3 iron?  Lighter weight to enable an easier swing.  Assist with launch.  The dampening properties of graphite to make it easier on the bod (mitigate vibration transfer).  May have to do some testing to determine a preferred shaft weight, lead tape/tip weights to get the feel dialed in.  But all doable.  Seems like long irons would be good candidates for graphite to improve playability.  If they meld with the rest of the set. Don't recall you ever mentioning a driving iron type club before.  Given what you've been accustomed to for so long, perhaps they aren't relevant.  Maybe one of those wider bodied, lower COG heads with graphite as a gotta be straight off the tee club.

 

I've had the graphite shafted Maltby's for a couple seasons plus now.  Heretofore, been lukewarm with how I played them.  Had to be careful not to over swing, resulting in nasty pull hooks.  And sorta lacking in the feel of having them "slotted" in the swing.  Been going back and forth between steel and graphite to determine some preference trend.  Still kinda YTBD.  But this season, been increasingly gravitating towards the graphites.  They just seem easier to swing and play comfortably.  Perhaps I've finally aged into them.  IDK.  But the issues I've experienced prior have mostly disappeared.  I'm not spraying them around like I did prior.  Adding the proviso that I can mishit anything with any given swing.  

 

 

 

[scomac2002]

I've had about a half hour now for the Aleve to kick in.  Boy oh boy, those first few games of curling are getting tougher and tougher to deal with.  There were guys there yesterday, older than me, who were on their 4th game of the week from start-up on Monday.  I'm not sure how they were walking!!  Helps being a skip or a vice though as this was the first time I swept 48 rocks in a game in 20 months!  😖

[nitram]

4 hours ago, Fellaheen51 said:

 

Tour Van??  You sir have arrived as a bonafide WRX baller.  What's next?  Perhaps a Tour Issue TM D with a 9.876849 loft label affixed?  JK of course. 😁   Here's to hitting nothing but lasers with it.  🍷 

Next is the private T-Mag ball stock from their secret Carlsbad Cavern...

Edited October 22, 2021 by nitram

[nitram]

1 hour ago, Fellaheen51 said:

 

Stu.  Far be it from me to offer cheap commentary about club things.  You have forgotten more about this stuff than I'll ever know or understand.   

 

Why not a graphite shaft in a 3 iron?  Lighter weight to enable an easier swing.  Assist with launch.  The dampening properties of graphite to make it easier on the bod (mitigate vibration transfer).  May have to do some testing to determine a preferred shaft weight, lead tape/tip weights to get the feel dialed in.  But all doable.  Seems like long irons would be good candidates for graphite to improve playability.  If they meld with the rest of the set. Don't recall you ever mentioning a driving iron type club before.  Given what you've been accustomed to for so long, perhaps they aren't relevant.  Maybe one of those wider bodied, lower COG heads with graphite as a gotta be straight off the tee club.

 

I've had the graphite shafted Maltby's for a couple seasons plus now.  Heretofore, been lukewarm with how I played them.  Had to be careful not to over swing, resulting in nasty pull hooks.  And sorta lacking in the feel of having them "slotted" in the swing.  Been going back and forth between steel and graphite to determine some preference trend.  Still kinda YTBD.  But this season, been increasingly gravitating towards the graphites.  They just seem easier to swing and play comfortably.  Perhaps I've finally aged into them.  IDK.  But the issues I've experienced prior have mostly disappeared.  I'm not spraying them around like I did prior.  Adding the proviso that I can mishit anything with any given swing.  

 

 

 

I'm not gonna speak for Stu but that's what I'm doing with my Bridgestone J33 3-iron.

[scomac2002]

44 minutes ago, nitram said:

Next is the private T-Mag ball stock from their secret Carlsbad Cavern...

 

I don't think so...  Mind you, I did buy 3 doz. Noodle Long and Soft for $36 not too long ago. 😏

 

I thought it was a bit of trivia that was worth sharing with respect to my irons.  Truth is no one gives a toot!  Does beg the question though as to what happens to tour van inventory when it's time to change models or just get rid of surplus stock?  It will show up sooner or later somewhere.

 

Most important to me is that I've been hitting some quality shots with these irons of late and they are working well for me.  All for an outlay of less than $250 plus shipping.  Beats the heck out of new OTR irons at upwards of $1500 these days!!

Edited October 22, 2021 by scomac2002

[Conrad1953]

12 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

Well, it's time for another damn birthday.

 

I was born in time to witness TV, with three channels and aluminum foil manipulated around rabbit ears, the first satellite, the first push button phone, the first human in space, flying on the first commercial jet airliner, an assassination of a president, first Ford Mustang, the first Beatles record, the first landing on the moon, the first war with ubiquitous helicopters, the first cell phones, the first messages on the Internet, but I was born too early to explore the galaxy.

 

Voyager 2 recently detected an unusual sound outside our solar system 11.5 billion miles from Earth. It's in the 3kHz range. It was enhanced and we can clearly hear the following signal:

 

“We’ve been trying to reach you about your planets extended warranty.”

 

Happy Birthday! Based on what I think I remember you saying in here before; #69? If so,

I'm not far behind. #69 coming for me in Feb.

[BIG STU]

11 hours ago, scomac2002 said:

 

That's what my WRX research turned up.  There was even mention of Burner Plus "C" heads in the postings I turned up suggesting that they came from the Senior Tour Van and explaining the differences to "B" heads which were all the rage back in the R9 days.  Apparently a "C" head is Tom Leman specs with conforming grooves as that was around the time of the rule change.  I have no idea if this is gospel or a hunting story.

 

The original set I got in 2018 were "C" heads; 6-PW and std lie with +1/2" which were my fitting specs for that particular model.  I found an AW the following year, also a "C" head at +1/2".  The new to me 5 iron is a "C" head, but std. length.  Undecided as to whether I will extend or not.  See how it hits for starters.  +1/2" is fairly insignificant when you get to the 5 iron if you think about it.  It's already 38.5" OTR.

I always heard the same thing about the legal C heads and the rumor they were partly forged by either Miura or Kyoei

[BIG STU]

11 hours ago, Fellaheen51 said:

 

Stu.  Far be it from me to offer cheap commentary about club things.  You have forgotten more about this stuff than I'll ever know or understand.   

 

Why not a graphite shaft in a 3 iron?  Lighter weight to enable an easier swing.  Assist with launch.  The dampening properties of graphite to make it easier on the bod (mitigate vibration transfer).  May have to do some testing to determine a preferred shaft weight, lead tape/tip weights to get the feel dialed in.  But all doable.  Seems like long irons would be good candidates for graphite to improve playability.  If they meld with the rest of the set. Don't recall you ever mentioning a driving iron type club before.  Given what you've been accustomed to for so long, perhaps they aren't relevant.  Maybe one of those wider bodied, lower COG heads with graphite as a gotta be straight off the tee club.

 

I've had the graphite shafted Maltby's for a couple seasons plus now.  Heretofore, been lukewarm with how I played them.  Had to be careful not to over swing, resulting in nasty pull hooks.  And sorta lacking in the feel of having them "slotted" in the swing.  Been going back and forth between steel and graphite to determine some preference trend.  Still kinda YTBD.  But this season, been increasingly gravitating towards the graphites.  They just seem easier to swing and play comfortably.  Perhaps I've finally aged into them.  IDK.  But the issues I've experienced prior have mostly disappeared.  I'm not spraying them around like I did prior.  Adding the proviso that I can mishit anything with any given swing.  

 

 

 

I have thought about graphite in the blades--- I may try to find some pulls and do a set in one of my sets of Muirfields which are the same head as the VIPs. In the past I had always played some kind of 1 iron. I practiced and played with the TMs today. I like the way they sit at address and once I got to not swinging them so hard they hit good. I have been messing with that set for like 6 months on and off which did not give them an honest evaluation because my swing had been all over the place. Today I hit like 40 balls on the range and played 9 holes. First time I had ever played 9 holes with them. Distance wise they are about the same as the blades because the lofts are like 2* stronger (stock) than the blades but the TMs go a little higher. For me they are kinda stupid easy to hit as long as my timing and tempo is on. The 5 6 & 7 irons have that dampner stuff in them and hit as smooth as any Miura or Mizuno iron IMHO. But the jury is still out and I plan to play them in the shootout tomorrow.

 

The other addition is the Cally PM grind wedge--- My Bud Bear bought the thing when they first came out and why he bought it I will never know because he hit it maybe 3 times and said it was the ugliest SOB of a wedge he had ever seen and promptly gave it to me. Now it had too much bounce for me with 13* so I grinded with a flapper wheel and a file got it down to 10* which works for me. Weight wise I had to get it weighted up and had lead taped it heavily. I was messing with it when I got hurt. I pulled it out the other week and realized it was too heavy for me now. I pulled all the lead tape off and started over . "Naked " it was too light so I ended up filling the 4 factory drilled holes with tungsten powder and epoxy. Hit the jackpot. The look at address kinda grew on me this week. Had it out today on the practice green because I practiced the short game for 2 hours before I went on the range. They cut our greens kinda short and had rolled them and they were fast. I was doing something else I have not been able to do for a while hit a nipper off the tight lie around the green. I was actually spinning and one hop stopping the ball dead. One of our older members was on the porch and saw me and asked what kind of wedge that was? I told him and he asked if it was legal? I told him yep that Phil Mickleson played one and he basically designed it. I told him it was designed where you could hit it all over the face and still spin it. My wedge striking was dead on the best today as it has been in quite a while. I showed him a toe hook spin with it out of the high 2nd cut of grass and was still stopping it. On my round I did a couple of shots with it on a couple of our notorious exposed hard greens and got it to check up out there. I even hit one off the hard pan cart path and got it to check in about a foot or so. I had experimented with that wedge some about a week before I got hurt and had done good with it then. So it is in the line of fire for tomorrow. Main thing was I did push the issue a little for me practicing and playing and so far no pain or stiffness. We will see tomorrow afternoon after the Shootout is over. 

[BIG STU]

10 hours ago, nitram said:

I'm not gonna speak for Stu but that's what I'm doing with my Bridgestone J33 3-iron.

One of the reasons I have not really did a driving iron type thing is I have taught myself how to hit a stinger 3 wood. Kinda a  low cut ugly stinger but for a 200 210 roll out it is great and I have gotten pretty consistant with it. 

[billh17]

16 hours ago, Conrad1953 said:

 

Happy Birthday! Based on what I think I remember you saying in here before; #69? If so,

I'm not far behind. #69 coming for me in Feb.

 Happy birthday to Soloman  and you young whippersnappers can all wait for me on the next tee !

I'm older so it takes me longer to get there !    Sher says that only applies to some things.

And reference graphite shafts in irons, i have been there for years and have never 

had a return of elbow pain. I can play the steel for two rounds and the pain is back.

Return to the graphite and no pain, so i have stayed with it for that reason. 

Edited October 23, 2021 by billh17

[Soloman1]

I'm happy that I can come back here to browse, now that those photos of nasty, old, cheap, headache memories, fermented juices in a bottle are farther up the page. Y'all need to warn people before posting that stuff. I may need counseling.

[nitram]

8 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

I may need counseling.

We're here for you brother..... 🍻🍾🍷🍸🍹🥃🥤

[BIG STU]

17 hours ago, billh17 said:

 Happy birthday to Soloman  and you young whippersnappers can all wait for me on the next tee !

I'm older so it takes me longer to get there !    Sher says that only applies to some things.

And reference graphite shafts in irons, i have been there for years and have never 

had a return of elbow pain. I can play the steel for two rounds and the pain is back.

Return to the graphite and no pain, so i have stayed with it for that reason. 

LOL some days I bet you can walk faster than I can---- Starting to see the light so to speak on the graphite irons played them yesterday and have no pain or stiffness this morning

 

[BIG STU]

Had a stellar day yesterday in the Scramble. It was a full field for a change. Had what is called a mixed team because we had one lady on our team whose husband is one of my members of the original team. I hit the ball the best I have in a while. I sorta laid back on the swing some so I did not hit but one really boomer drive. But I did hit every fairway with the driver. I had a lot of good shots including a bump and run hole out on the only green we missed all day. Had a great day with the PM Cally wedge hit one 3 feet from the hole that tapp danced on a hard green. My highlight was on our 7th hole we were 160 out with a cross wind I hit the semi high cut 7 wood and it stopped hung on the lip. LOL I did not even get off the cart to putt it. My partners were stomping trying to get it to fall it was that close settled for the birdie. I had a great putting day too if I did not make a putt it looked like it was going in but I only hit like maybe 6 or 7 putts. When ever I play usually they make me the clean up putter.  The TM graphites performed well I still have to get used to them. I can not work them yet like I can the blades but they hit smooth and are stupid easy to hit. I gotta watch the spin on the 8 iron in because they spin. I did manage to hit a little 4 yard cut with the 8 iron and it hit on the hard green kicked and spun straight right about 5 yards off the green. I spun the PW back about 2 feet on one shot. What surprised me on one shot I used a Srixon Marathon to make the ball release. Yep I have my scramble tricks. That ball even checked up with the 9 iron. Which I can spin any ball but that thing sucked back. My other partner who has played a lot with me said he would not believe I hit that Marathon ball if he had not seen me put it down. We did shoot -6 which got us 3rd place and we won our $10 side bets with two other mixed teams which we had put together on our own deal. Yeah we had our own event inside of the event. Did win another dozen Q Stars which I like. I mostly play the Q Star and Z Stars but if the weather gets cool I will switch to the Soft Feels.

 

Main thing I sorta got my timing in with the graphites and I am sorta gettin a warm fuzzy feeling towards them. But really best of all I was able to play pain free and did not medicate any during the round for pain and stiffness. That really helps my game in letting me concentrate on playing golf and not worrying about pain. Did not stiffen up last night either and do not have any pain and stiffness this morning. May do nine this afternoon after Church provided I do not have any more church work to do. Yep I have came 180* from last Sunday morning when I could hardly move and had to use my cane to climb 26 steps to the sound booth. A week ago I had discussed with my wife on giving up the game alltogether and sellng all the stash and shop equipment and taking up fishing or buying another Hot Rod and doing the Cruise In thing. Yep the graphites may have kept me in the game.

[Fellaheen51]

There you go Stu!!  Nothing like whacking it around with no pain.  Win and win.  Hit 'em easy, work out the details on the fly.  

 

[nitram]

4 hours ago, BIG STU said:

LOL some days I bet you can walk faster than I can---- Starting to see the light so to speak on the graphite irons played them yesterday and have no pain or stiffness this morning

 

They are literally life altering Stu when it comes to reducing and eliminating ailments.

[BIG STU]

4 hours ago, nitram said:

They are literally life altering Stu when it comes to reducing and eliminating ailments.

Yep from what I have read from @chisag on here and talking to my instructor friend I have learned not to try to force the issue with graphite to let the shaft and the design on the club head do the work. But I will admit it is a different feel for me and I am slowly getting used to it.

[Soloman1]

More random nonsense after watching some clips for ZOZO tournament:

 

I know this is ridiculously optimistic in current times, but imagine if a TV announcer making a minimum of $500,000 per year spent 20 full seconds of research on Google to learn how to pronounce the name of a non-US golf course properly?

 

Or even more ridiculous, an assistant producer gave the announcers a list in giant font of the phonetic pronunciations of some things or names?

 

Crazy, I know. What the hell was I thinking? I'm so out of touch with society today... 🙂

[scomac2002]

12 hours ago, nitram said:

They are literally life altering Stu when it comes to reducing and eliminating ailments.

 

The problem as I see it is that what you are playing in the form of full weight graphite shafts in your irons is a far cry from the typical OTR graphite shaft you will find in an iron.  The theory seems to be that those who require graphite also suffer form a lack of swing speed and as such would benefit from ultralight shafts often in the 60g range.  They're too light for most, even those with less than desirable swing speeds.

[Soloman1]

I’m enjoying a brandy and a cigar on my backyard patio right now. I got this unique square, heavy brandy glass with a shape molded into the glass to hold a cigar for my birthday. 🙂 

 

It’s about 68°F and a beautiful clear night with a million stars and a billion more I can’t see.

 

I wrote a post in this thread about Casey Martin, the professional golfer who had his leg amputated recently.

 

https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1839550-casey-martin-has-leg-amputated/page/2/

 

You may not agree with me, which is absolutely fine, but one thing I’ve learned about this corner of GolfWRX is that you all are decent people who can respect the thoughts of others with class. I, in turn, have great respect for the people who frequent this space.

 

I think I need to take a break from posting on GolfWRX for a while. I think I need to plan a bucket trip in the spring to play some golf with some of you.

 

I played with someone from GolfWRX in Atlanta once on a business trip and it was a wonderful experience. He was a great person and I enjoyed that game as much as any round ever.

 

I’ll be back. I may lurk, but I’m going to refresh my attitude.

 

Cheers, my virtul golf buddies.

[BIG STU]

3 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

I’m enjoying a brandy and a cigar on my backyard patio right now. I got this unique square, heavy brandy glass with a shape molded into the glass to hold a cigar for my birthday. 🙂 

 

It’s about 68°F and a beautiful clear night with a million stars and a billion more I can’t see.

 

I wrote a post in this thread about Casey Martin, the professional golfer who had his leg amputated recently.

 

https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1839550-casey-martin-has-leg-amputated/page/2/

 

You may not agree with me, which is absolutely fine, but one thing I’ve learned about this corner of GolfWRX is that you all are decent people who can respect the thoughts of others with class. I, in turn, have great respect for the people who frequent this space.

 

I think I need to take a break from posting on GolfWRX for a while. I think I need to plan a bucket trip in the spring to play some golf with some of you.

 

I played with someone from GolfWRX in Atlanta once on a business trip and it was a wonderful experience. He was a great person and I enjoyed that game as much as any round ever.

 

I’ll be back. I may lurk, but I’m going to refresh my attitude.

 

Cheers, my virtul golf buddies.

Hope you are lurking and read this and what I posted on the thread you mentioned.

I spoke my peace too on the subject.

Naah did not see anything wrong on your opinion FWIW

And if you are lurking lurk your self on down this way I would be glad to play a round or two with you either Modern or Vintage equipment and shoot the bull with you. 

[BIG STU]

7 hours ago, scomac2002 said:

 

The problem as I see it is that what you are playing in the form of full weight graphite shafts in your irons is a far cry from the typical OTR graphite shaft you will find in an iron.  The theory seems to be that those who require graphite also suffer form a lack of swing speed and as such would benefit from ultralight shafts often in the 60g range.  They're too light for most, even those with less than desirable swing speeds.

Yeah I ran into the weight problem when I tried the KZGs I had with Swing Science shafts. When I was really recovering and still basically badly hurt I did ok with those. But with therapy and me swinging the skilz ball trainer I got my upper body strength up. I lost all weight feel with those things. They were like swinging a feather. Along with the nerve damage I had no feel as to where the club was and I developed the bad rope hooks again. I had been messing with the TMs with the Steel Fiber shafts for a while on and off. What it was at first I was not fully healed and swing fully enough to load those shafts. I had built myself up and could swing my heavy shafted FC-4000s again. But I would get pain and stiffness etc. The MacHogans are not as stiff or as heavy as the FCs and I can still hit those but the pain afterwards. Then my bud told me about the torsional vibration thing. I had did quite a bit of research about the torsional frequency vibrations as it pertains to race car engines in the past so I was familiar with it. He also told me to slow the swing down some to let the shaft load and that the design of the heads would help getting the ball up and kicking the head some through the impact area. Also while I was recovering I had went to the M-6 driver with the lighweight Even Flow shaft. As I progressed there I did have to add weight to get the feel back with it. Same with the fairways. During all of this I had consulted with my back Doc and he agreed on the vibration thing setting my nerves off inadvertantly. Basically it was not the weight that was causing problems but the vibrations that one could not feel causing the problems. Nerve injury can be tricky as my Doc had alluded to. Another thing for me was I have always had a lot of upper body strength. During therapy I did not have much direct supervision and was doing some stuff inadvertantly incorrect. Like on the sitting and standing exercises I was using my arms to push up standing up instead of my core and never realized it. One of my natural moves again. The thearpists realized it when they had me on the parallel bars walking across. That exercise was supposed to assist with my balance but I was basically walking myself across the bars with my arms and shoulders with my feet 2 inches from the floor. But it did take weight off my back sorta like the inversion thing and that felt good. When one of the therapists caught that he was amazed and said some of the gymnists at CCU would give their right nut to have that upper body strength. Yep at 370 LBS and 63 years old I could lift myself 2 inches with just arms and shoulders. He had them run a re evaluation and I was doing a lot of exercises wrong using upper body instead of strengthing my core. I raised hell to my Doc and between them and the insurance company they brought the boom down on those people. I was supervised like I should have been to begin with for the last 8 sessions or so. 

 

Yep my whole golf delimma was one big puzzle and I had pushed it some as I am apt to do. When I got the green light to chip and hit wedges some I went on the exterme end of the chart and went with the heaviest stiffest clubs I had. Wrong thing to do. But slowly the pieces of the puzzel came together and we found it was not the weight thing but the vibration thing

[Fellaheen51]

@Soloman1  This 1000+ page thread was created out of the ashes of another one that had become contentious.  Where opinion had become perceived fact, on a singular minor point (ad nauseam).  There's been numerous contributors over time.  Some have remained since inception, others have moved on.  A small spot in the ether that one could find enjoyment, education, amusement, offer personal perspectives.  In short, a digital space that allowed for posting whatever is on one's mind.  Absent vitriol and retribution that can be exhibited in other parts of the WRX landscape.  A safe haven.  

 

There's been one overriding shared view throughout.  A tacit approval of the ground rules.  (Succinctly laid out by Reason in post #1.)   Which has always been quite simple.  A "shared fellowship", keeping it positive.  Respect for whatever a poster choses to compose and post to the discourse.  And no one wanted to be the individual to sow seeds of disharmony to the conversation.  Honestly don't know why this is such a novel concept.  But in the age of social media, respect given to another has become lost in translation.   

 

We all need to take a periodic break.  Gone through phases where I have nothing to say.  Typically triggered by postings outside of the Grille.  The process of composition becomes too much trouble.  Felt like my contributions to the chatter had become mundane and pointless.  Who cares what I got to say?Sometimes lasting for months.  But I lurked, checking in to see who's posting what about what.  Then something flips the switch, and I reengage.   IDK, seems worthwhile in the scheme of things.  A shared zeitgeist formulated from our own unique perspectives.  

 

Take a break if you deem it necessary.  It does help to refresh periodically.  Just don't let the commentary offered in less friendly confines be the sole arbitrator of how and where you choose to engage in the discourse.  

 

We all just be shooting the breeze around here anyhow.  

 

 

 

 

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, Fellaheen51 said:

@Soloman1  This 1000+ page thread was created out of the ashes of another one that had become contentious.  Where opinion had become perceived fact, on a singular minor point (ad nauseam).  There's been numerous contributors over time.  Some have remained since inception, others have moved on.  A small spot in the ether that one could find enjoyment, education, amusement, offer personal perspectives.  In short, a digital space that allowed for posting whatever is on one's mind.  Absent vitriol and retribution that can be exhibited in other parts of the WRX landscape.  A safe haven.  

 

There's been one overriding shared view throughout.  A tacit approval of the ground rules.  (Succinctly laid out by Reason in post #1.)   Which has always been quite simple.  A "shared fellowship", keeping it positive.  Respect for whatever a poster choses to compose and post to the discourse.  And no one wanted to be the individual to sow seeds of disharmony to the conversation.  Honestly don't know why this is such a novel concept.  But in the age of social media, respect given to another has become lost in translation.   

 

We all need to take a periodic break.  Gone through phases where I have nothing to say.  Typically triggered by postings outside of the Grille.  The process of composition becomes too much trouble.  Felt like my contributions to the chatter had become mundane and pointless.  Who cares what I got to say?Sometimes lasting for months.  But I lurked, checking in to see who's posting what about what.  Then something flips the switch, and I reengage.   IDK, seems worthwhile in the scheme of things.  A shared zeitgeist formulated from our own unique perspectives.  

 

Take a break if you deem it necessary.  It does help to refresh periodically.  Just don't let the commentary offered in less friendly confines be the sole arbitrator of how and where you choose to engage in the discourse.  

 

We all just be shooting the breeze around here anyhow.  

 

 

 

 

Yep I remember the beginnings from the Confessions thread. Rad PMed me and let me in on it. I did stay on the Confessions some anyhow. I always got along with the person in question and could relate to his engineering observations and admit he is pretty sharp. LOL he did call me out one night and he was correct on his observations. I had posted pics of my original VIP wedge that was worn all across the face stating this proves I was not a ball striker. He called me out rightfully so saying BS that I knew exactly what I was doing and manulipuated the ball with the face. He was correct-- LOL wonder why I like the PM Mack Daddy?

 

After talking to Rad and others and going back he did run Rad down bad and it was uncalled for. And he did others like that too. Sometimes it is in all how one presents themselves or lack of tact. Really I do not want to say this and make light of it but when I was a young man a guy told me the definition of tact. The ability to tell a person to go to hell and they be actually looking forward to the trip. I actually do not want to make light of someone actually going to Hell but you get my drift.

 

But I always viewed this area of WRX as a place like we used to do after a round sitting in a Grill room shooting the BS and drinking a beer. My new club is sorta like that sitting on the patio and shooting the breeze

 

I think Dan and myself tried to keep the Confessions thing going partly because it had became a blade users thread. I think it has died out now I think last time I posted was right after my accident 18 months ago. Actually I had not thought about it until you mentioned it. Since it is raining here ( which we need) I will not have much to do so I may research later. But I have never here seen any one cutting down someone else in this thread and I like it that way.

[Fellaheen51]

9 hours ago, scomac2002 said:

 

The problem as I see it is that what you are playing in the form of full weight graphite shafts in your irons is a far cry from the typical OTR graphite shaft you will find in an iron.  The theory seems to be that those who require graphite also suffer form a lack of swing speed and as such would benefit from ultralight shafts often in the 60g range.  They're too light for most, even those with less than desirable swing speeds.

 

Yeah.  Go to a LGS to "test" OTR irons shafted graphite, you'll encounter LW as the de facto regular flex option.  Depending on the brand, from 72g down to 60g (perhaps lighter, I didn't check them all).  Certainly seems to be the trend though.  It could easily become a swirl of confusion without some basic understanding of what's involved through personal experience and information gathering.  Swinging OTR irons all to briefly at a store may not translate to how LW  plays over time out in the wild.  Where issues begin to reveal themselves.  Amongst all the criteria involved with determining iron shaft playability, this shaft weight thing is the trickiest.  And seemingly more so as I've gotten older.  

 

 

 

[scomac2002]

4 minutes ago, Fellaheen51 said:

Amongst all the criteria involved with determining iron shaft playability, this shaft weight thing is the trickiest.  And seemingly more so as I've gotten older.  

 

I certainly don't have answers for this dilemma.  I had a stretch of good golf earlier in the summer playing ultralight 55g M flex graphites in my clubs.  Went away on holiday and came back and couldn't hit them a lick.  No explanation as to why.

 

Went back to steel, but still under 100g in irons and have begun to play batter as the season winds down.  Once again, no real explanation other than the club slots into my swing a bit better and the extra weight seems to helps prevent over swinging.  There's likely more to it than that.  Probably swinging on an improved plane at this point, but alas with the wet week ahead I think that my golf is all but done for this season.

 

I have a tee time booked for Wednesday afternoon and hope to get another league game in next Monday weather permitting, but that is likely that for the season for this golfer.

[Fellaheen51]

6 minutes ago, scomac2002 said:

 

I certainly don't have answers for this dilemma.  I had a stretch of good golf earlier in the summer playing ultralight 55g M flex graphites in my clubs.  Went away on holiday and came back and couldn't hit them a lick.  No explanation as to why.

 

Went back to steel, but still under 100g in irons and have begun to play batter as the season winds down.  Once again, no real explanation other than the club slots into my swing a bit better and the extra weight seems to helps prevent over swinging.  There's likely more to it than that.  Probably swinging on an improved plane at this point, but alas with the wet week ahead I think that my golf is all but done for this season.

 

I have a tee time booked for Wednesday afternoon and hope to get another league game in next Monday weather permitting, but that is likely that for the season for this golfer.

 

IMHO, don't think absolute weight preciseness is necessary.  More of a range of preference.  Learning that it's about 70g on the low side to 115g on the high.  Being of average abilities, has its benefits.  Don't get fixated on exactitudes.  Being in the general neighborhood is close enough.  Not going to make that much difference with how affectively I play them.  More of a "on any given day" feel thing.  

 

For shafting and reshafting purposes, selection more often then not predicated on what can be acquired on the cheap.  I can make compromises.  Example:  The TTDL Gold XP's that went into the ISI's were a bit higher weight than preferred (> 100g).  But a new and uncut 4-SW set for $50, it was a no-brainer.  Same for the graphites in the Maltby's.  A bit lighter weight then I preferred (a concern), but at >$12 per, another no brainer.  Acquiring new graphite heft brings with it a noticeable increase in cost.  Given the caliber of my game, have a difficult time justifying the going rate of $45+ per.  The risk of "makes no difference" is very real.  

 

Yeah.  Golf climatic conditions have deteriorated.  Have a tee time booked for Wednesday, but don't know how enthused I am to play in overcast barely 50*.  After several days of forecasted rain.  Not very.  And zero inclination from any of the other buds.  Most are ready to call it a season.  And this is one of the better days.  By the end of the week, high temps only in the upper 40's   Another outing might very will be a spur of the moment decision for a quick solo 9 if a decent afternoon occurs.  

 

[BIG STU]

Fella did the research and our buddy Nitram was the last to post back in April and Ninja has surfaced too back in April

[billh17]

14 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

I’m enjoying a brandy and a cigar on my backyard patio right now. I got this unique square, heavy brandy glass with a shape molded into the glass to hold a cigar for my birthday. 🙂 

 

It’s about 68°F and a beautiful clear night with a million stars and a billion more I can’t see.

 

I wrote a post in this thread about Casey Martin, the professional golfer who had his leg amputated recently.

 

https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1839550-casey-martin-has-leg-amputated/page/2/

 

You may not agree with me, which is absolutely fine, but one thing I’ve learned about this corner of GolfWRX is that you all are decent people who can respect the thoughts of others with class. I, in turn, have great respect for the people who frequent this space.

 

I think I need to take a break from posting on GolfWRX for a while. I think I need to plan a bucket trip in the spring to play some golf with some of you.

 

I played with someone from GolfWRX in Atlanta once on a business trip and it was a wonderful experience. He was a great person and I enjoyed that game as much as any round ever.

 

I’ll be back. I may lurk, but I’m going to refresh my attitude.

 

Cheers, my virtul golf buddies.

I fully understand the need for a break , but yourself, Sixty,and Tol are all a part of this thing. 

Your comments,advice and humor are respected and appreciated here. We miss all of you .

[Conrad1953]

43 minutes ago, billh17 said:

I fully understand the need for a break , but yourself, Sixty,and Tol are all a part of this thing. 

Your comments,advice and humor are respected and appreciated here. We miss all of you .

 

And Reasy too. I hope he's OK.