JACK Golf Channel (merged)

[BrianMcG]

Yep.

[lenman73]

18 > 14

[Ashley Schaeffer]

Yeah, Old Tom Morris was better than Dustin Johnson and Jason Day. Four Majors to one apiece. Can't imagine what OTM would've done with lob wedges and square grooves. Probably 35 majors against modern competition. At least.

[lowheel]

^^^^^^^^

this guy

 

[Ashley Schaeffer]

Cute. Adult behavior might dictate a more rational response given the fact that not everyone agrees completely with a snowflake, but, live your dream. Maybe another meme would be in order. I'll stand by.

[mosesgolf]

Debating who is GOAT Jack or Tiger is like debating blades vs cavity backs. :D

[dlygrisse]

Well, it appears someone has a different opinion than I do. Maybe I should start hurling some insults.

 

Why? Because Jack had a better swing than Tiger and you don't get it? Jack's swing held up for 50 years with minimal practice. Tiger had to keep changing and blew his back out. No comparison really.

[Ashley Schaeffer]

Well, it appears someone has a different opinion than I do. Maybe I should start hurling some insults.

 

Why? Because Jack had a better swing than Tiger and you don't get it? Jack's swing held up for 50 years with minimal practice. Tiger had to keep changing and blew his back out. No comparison really.

 

Yeah, that must be it. Haha!

[bscinstnct]

Well, it appears someone has a different opinion than I do. Maybe I should start hurling some insults.

 

Why? Because Jack had a better swing than Tiger and you don't get it? Jack's swing held up for 50 years with minimal practice. Tiger had to keep changing and blew his back out. No comparison really.

 

Cant argue much. Jack said he saw JG like twice a year.

 

Although, far as practice goes,

 

 

"The first time I ever saw Jack was at Baltusrol at the U.S. Open in 1967. It was early in the week, late in the day and almost dark. I looked down from the clubhouse at the practice green and saw the outline of a man putting with a Bulls Eye putter, the head painted white. It was Jack. Watching him made an impression as to what makes a man great. At the end of the day, all that matters is how hard you work, how much dirt you move. That's how I measure people. I don't care how talented you are, if you don't move enough dirt, somebody is going to run over you. Jack moved a lot of dirt.

 

 

ONE OF THE GREAT myths in golf is that Jack didn't practice very much. When he bought a house at Lost Tree in Florida in the mid-'60s, nobody saw him. He'd go out back behind his house and hit balls across those fairways all day long. He also built a putting green on land between his guest house and the tennis courts. He adjusted the speed of that green for whatever tournaments were in front of him. He wore that putting green out."

 

-Lee Trevino

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.golfdigest.com/story/us-open-my-shot-lee-trevino/amp

[Hawkeye77]

I absolutely don't agree Lebron James is more athletic than Bob Cousy, again just different.

 

Each can/could do things the other couldn't dream of doing with a basketball.

 

You have a pretty narrow view of "athletic" and a common theme that is simply not the proper measuring stick. No further comment on that.

 

Exatly!!! Lets go further is Shaq more athletic than Wilt?

 

Nope, estimating he's about 20,000 or so behind in one category!

[lowheel]

Well, it appears someone has a different opinion than I do. Maybe I should start hurling some insults.

 

Why? Because Jack had a better swing than Tiger and you don't get it? Jack's swing held up for 50 years with minimal practice. Tiger had to keep changing and blew his back out. No comparison really.

 

Cant argue much. Jack said he saw JG like twice a year.

 

Although, far as practice goes,

 

 

"The first time I ever saw Jack was at Baltusrol at the U.S. Open in 1967. It was early in the week, late in the day and almost dark. I looked down from the clubhouse at the practice green and saw the outline of a man putting with a Bulls Eye putter, the head painted white. It was Jack. Watching him made an impression as to what makes a man great. At the end of the day, all that matters is how hard you work, how much dirt you move. That's how I measure people. I don't care how talented you are, if you don't move enough dirt, somebody is going to run over you. Jack moved a lot of dirt.

 

 

ONE OF THE GREAT myths in golf is that Jack didn't practice very much. When he bought a house at Lost Tree in Florida in the mid-'60s, nobody saw him. He'd go out back behind his house and hit balls across those fairways all day long. He also built a putting green on land between his guest house and the tennis courts. He adjusted the speed of that green for whatever tournaments were in front of him. He wore that putting green out."

 

-Lee Trevino

 

https://www.google.c...lee-trevino/amp

 

Well said. Thats what made Tiger and Jack the best not only their talent but their insane desire, drive and work ethic. Id love to see a best ball with those 2 in their prime.a 57-58 would be on the table

[lenman73]

Jack at 77 years of age just played in a tournament this past weekend. Unfortunately the only golf tiger will be playing is on the Xbox. I think that speaks volumes about the two different swings.

[Kevinx]

Do you think this mean Jack Nicholas is dying? Look what happen when they showed Arnie

[Neverfadeaway86]

well the golf channel is the end all be all of health so I'm sure they would know. I mean they put out the Arnie Documentary in 2014 so they must have known. :lock[1]:

[Ayoung19]

We've seen it all now folks

[lowheel]

Yep.

 

Both are beasts who killed the ball. Great impact positions!

[Finbarr Saunders]

Great point etarv13 makes me ponder...who wins at Augusta or pick any course, current equipment...Jack of 1965-1966 vs Tiger of 2000-2001 who wins after 4 rounds?

If they played ten times they would both win more than once each, impossible to confidently predict one being better than the other. You hear the stories of how long Jack was off the tee, but then you watch the 97 Masters and can't possibly imagine anyone hitting it past Tiger that week. To do that at Augusta, to that field, at that age, in his first major, is mind boggling. All things considered, Tiger that week will never be equalled.

 

Out of the four best tournament scores at the masters (Jacks -17, Floyds -17, tigers -18 and Spieths -18, tigers) tigers was on a course that measured the shortest out of the four. Over a 4 day period Jacks was 220 yards longer, Floyds was 420 yards longer and Spieths was a mammoth 2040 yards longer, not only was it equalled it was obliterated

[Shilgy]

Great point etarv13 makes me ponder...who wins at Augusta or pick any course, current equipment...Jack of 1965-1966 vs Tiger of 2000-2001 who wins after 4 rounds?

If they played ten times they would both win more than once each, impossible to confidently predict one being better than the other. You hear the stories of how long Jack was off the tee, but then you watch the 97 Masters and can't possibly imagine anyone hitting it past Tiger that week. To do that at Augusta, to that field, at that age, in his first major, is mind boggling. All things considered, Tiger that week will never be equalled.

 

Out of the four best tournament scores at the masters (Jacks -17, Floyds -17, tigers -18 and Spieths -18, tigers) tigers was on a course that measured the shortest out of the four. Over a 4 day period Jacks was 220 yards longer, Floyds was 420 yards longer and Spieths was a mammoth 2040 yards longer, not only was it equalled it was obliterated

I would love to hear an explanation for that. Spieth I understand after the course was Tiger proofed. So the course was 105 yards longer for Floyd that Tiger in '97?

 

Jack at 77 years of age just played in a tournament this past weekend. Unfortunately the only golf tiger will be playing is on the Xbox. I think that speaks volumes about the two different swings.

Says more about two different bodies.

[lowheel]

Cute. Adult behavior might dictate a more rational response given the fact that not everyone agrees completely with a snowflake, but, live your dream. Maybe another meme would be in order. I'll stand by.

 

Still trying for that fake moral highground? You using the the words rational response and saying sarcastically Tom Morris would have won 35 majors might have exploded your hypocrisy meter but alas..

Please note not 1 person has agreed with your banal conclusions in this thread and that should be enough to convince you you're a one man island.

Keep denigrating an entire generation of hall of fame golfers because "they had it easy" and "their swings are trash"

Heres the difference between us. You hate jack and idolize tiger. I like both. I dont denigrate one to boost the other. 1 was the others idol, that says volumes of how rarely we get to see players like that in 1 lifetime let alone 2.

But please call me a snowflake for calling out all your indefensible BS theories. Have a good one and enjoy your uphill walk

[playa]

Yep.

 

Both are beasts who killed the ball. Great impact positions!

I remember old photos of Greg Norman having a very similar impact positon as Jack. Gives meaning to the old adage that impact is the only thing that matters.

[Ashley Schaeffer]

Cute. Adult behavior might dictate a more rational response given the fact that not everyone agrees completely with a snowflake, but, live your dream. Maybe another meme would be in order. I'll stand by.

 

Still trying for that fake moral highground? You using the the words rational response and saying sarcastically Tom Morris would have won 35 majors might have exploded your hypocrisy meter but alas..

Please note not 1 person has agreed with your banal conclusions in this thread and that should be enough to convince you you're a one man island.

Keep denigrating an entire generation of hall of fame golfers because "they had it easy" and "their swings are trash"

Heres the difference between us. You hate jack and idolize tiger. I like both. I dont denigrate one to boost the other. 1 was the others idol, that says volumes of how rarely we get to see players like that in 1 lifetime let alone 2.

But please call me a snowflake for calling out all your indefensible BS theories. Have a good one and enjoy your uphill walk

 

Never said their swings were trash. I don't hate Nicklaus. I don't idolize Tiger Woods. Don't try to revise what I wrote. The OTM comment was in response to some dude who thought 18>14 was the only relevant analysis. Clearly, there is more to it than that.

 

I don't have to agree with you. I simply think Tiger was better than Nicklaus. I'm fine if you don't agree with me. Maybe you should try that approach.

[lowheel]

Cute. Adult behavior might dictate a more rational response given the fact that not everyone agrees completely with a snowflake, but, live your dream. Maybe another meme would be in order. I'll stand by.

 

Still trying for that fake moral highground? You using the the words rational response and saying sarcastically Tom Morris would have won 35 majors might have exploded your hypocrisy meter but alas..

Please note not 1 person has agreed with your banal conclusions in this thread and that should be enough to convince you you're a one man island.

Keep denigrating an entire generation of hall of fame golfers because "they had it easy" and "their swings are trash"

Heres the difference between us. You hate jack and idolize tiger. I like both. I dont denigrate one to boost the other. 1 was the others idol, that says volumes of how rarely we get to see players like that in 1 lifetime let alone 2.

But please call me a snowflake for calling out all your indefensible BS theories. Have a good one and enjoy your uphill walk

 

Never said their swings were trash. I don't hate Nicklaus. I don't idolize Tiger Woods. Don't try to revise what I wrote. The OTM comment was in response to some dude who thought 18>14 was the only relevant analysis. Clearly, there is more to it than that.

 

I don't have to agree with you. I simply think Tiger was better than Nicklaus. I'm fine if you don't agree with me. Maybe you should try that approach.

 

Youre being purposely obtuse. I dont want you to agree with me, never did and thats crystal clear by my posts. You said all those things you deny saying and more so lets move past being coy. Of course you obviously think Tiger is better than Jack but just posting look at each swing and tell me whos better than yes someone will post 18>14. Posting those guys had it so easy will illicit some push back so lets not play that game. Again my advice which you can take or throw it in the trash for all i care is try not to trash Jack or his swing or his whole generation to elevate Tiger. Pretty simple

[playa]

Cute. Adult behavior might dictate a more rational response given the fact that not everyone agrees completely with a snowflake, but, live your dream. Maybe another meme would be in order. I'll stand by.

 

Still trying for that fake moral highground? You using the the words rational response and saying sarcastically Tom Morris would have won 35 majors might have exploded your hypocrisy meter but alas..

Please note not 1 person has agreed with your banal conclusions in this thread and that should be enough to convince you you're a one man island.

Keep denigrating an entire generation of hall of fame golfers because "they had it easy" and "their swings are trash"

Heres the difference between us. You hate jack and idolize tiger. I like both. I dont denigrate one to boost the other. 1 was the others idol, that says volumes of how rarely we get to see players like that in 1 lifetime let alone 2.

But please call me a snowflake for calling out all your indefensible BS theories. Have a good one and enjoy your uphill walk

 

Never said their swings were trash. I don't hate Nicklaus. I don't idolize Tiger Woods. Don't try to revise what I wrote. The OTM comment was in response to some dude who thought 18>14 was the only relevant analysis. Clearly, there is more to it than that.

 

I don't have to agree with you. I simply think Tiger was better than Nicklaus. I'm fine if you don't agree with me. Maybe you should try that approach.

Having an opinion that isn't in line with the Jack fanboys makes you a Tiger lover/Jack hater on this forum. I agree with you that Tiger was a better golfer than Jack, but that doesn't make me a Jack hater. Through to 2009, it was indesputable that Tiger had a superior career to that age, despite Jack going pro at a younger age. Tiger didn't have the longevity of Jack, but before the wheels fell off he was the greatest golfer who ever lived. To attack someone for having an opinion that Tiger was better than Jack, or that Jack was better than tiger, is very close minded.

Edit: tiger went pro the same age as Jack, I thought he was a year older.

[lowheel]

Yep.

 

Both are beasts who killed the ball. Great impact positions!

I remember old photos of Greg Norman having a very similar impact positon as Jack. Gives meaning to the old adage that impact is the only thing that matters.

 

I must say i saw tiger in 2000&2001 hit 25 or so drivers on the range less than 10 feet from me and it still didnt compare to when i saw norman hit a half bucket of drivers in 88. How that man did not win more than 2 majors is a modern day miracle. Its like standing next to Nick Price in 93 and listening to the thump of his irons on the range. What a sound. Greg Norman was probably top 3 all time driver of the ball.

[Ashley Schaeffer]

Cute. Adult behavior might dictate a more rational response given the fact that not everyone agrees completely with a snowflake, but, live your dream. Maybe another meme would be in order. I'll stand by.

 

Still trying for that fake moral highground? You using the the words rational response and saying sarcastically Tom Morris would have won 35 majors might have exploded your hypocrisy meter but alas..

Please note not 1 person has agreed with your banal conclusions in this thread and that should be enough to convince you you're a one man island.

Keep denigrating an entire generation of hall of fame golfers because "they had it easy" and "their swings are trash"

Heres the difference between us. You hate jack and idolize tiger. I like both. I dont denigrate one to boost the other. 1 was the others idol, that says volumes of how rarely we get to see players like that in 1 lifetime let alone 2.

But please call me a snowflake for calling out all your indefensible BS theories. Have a good one and enjoy your uphill walk

 

Never said their swings were trash. I don't hate Nicklaus. I don't idolize Tiger Woods. Don't try to revise what I wrote. The OTM comment was in response to some dude who thought 18>14 was the only relevant analysis. Clearly, there is more to it than that.

 

I don't have to agree with you. I simply think Tiger was better than Nicklaus. I'm fine if you don't agree with me. Maybe you should try that approach.

 

Youre being purposely obtuse. I dont want you to agree with me, never did and thats crystal clear by my posts. You said all those things you deny saying and more so lets move past being coy. Of course you obviously think Tiger is better than Jack but just posting look at each swing and tell me whos better than yes someone will post 18>14. Posting those guys had it so easy will illicit some push back so lets not play that game. Again my advice which you can take or throw it in the trash for all i care is try not to trash Jack or his swing or his whole generation to elevate Tiger. Pretty simple

 

K, so, again, I will deny that I ever said a generation of golfers' swings were trash. I never trashed Nicklaus's swing. I just think Tiger's was better. I also think he was better than those guys prime to prime. Pretty simple.

[Ashley Schaeffer]

Cute. Adult behavior might dictate a more rational response given the fact that not everyone agrees completely with a snowflake, but, live your dream. Maybe another meme would be in order. I'll stand by.

 

Still trying for that fake moral highground? You using the the words rational response and saying sarcastically Tom Morris would have won 35 majors might have exploded your hypocrisy meter but alas..

Please note not 1 person has agreed with your banal conclusions in this thread and that should be enough to convince you you're a one man island.

Keep denigrating an entire generation of hall of fame golfers because "they had it easy" and "their swings are trash"

Heres the difference between us. You hate jack and idolize tiger. I like both. I dont denigrate one to boost the other. 1 was the others idol, that says volumes of how rarely we get to see players like that in 1 lifetime let alone 2.

But please call me a snowflake for calling out all your indefensible BS theories. Have a good one and enjoy your uphill walk

 

Never said their swings were trash. I don't hate Nicklaus. I don't idolize Tiger Woods. Don't try to revise what I wrote. The OTM comment was in response to some dude who thought 18>14 was the only relevant analysis. Clearly, there is more to it than that.

 

I don't have to agree with you. I simply think Tiger was better than Nicklaus. I'm fine if you don't agree with me. Maybe you should try that approach.

Having an opinion that isn't in line with the Jack fanboys makes you a Tiger lover/Jack hater on this forum. I agree with you that Tiger was a better golfer than Jack, but that doesn't make me a Jack hater. Through to 2009, it was indesputable that Tiger had a superior career to that age, despite Jack going pro at a younger age. Tiger didn't have the longevity of Jack, but before the wheels fell off he was the greatest golfer who ever lived. To attack someone for having an opinion that Tiger was better than Jack, or that Jack was better than tiger, is very close minded.

Edit: tiger went pro the same age as Jack, I thought he was a year older.

 

Holy hell, I suppose so!

[playa]

Yep.

 

Both are beasts who killed the ball. Great impact positions!

I remember old photos of Greg Norman having a very similar impact positon as Jack. Gives meaning to the old adage that impact is the only thing that matters.

 

I must say i saw tiger in 2000&2001 hit 25 or so drivers on the range less than 10 feet from me and it still didnt compare to when i saw norman hit a half bucket of drivers in 88. How that man did not win more than 2 majors is a modern day miracle. Its like standing next to Nick Price in 93 and listening to the thump of his irons on the range. What a sound. Greg Norman was probably top 3 all time driver of the ball.

Back in the 80s when Norman was using the solid tour edition ball and persimmon driver his drives made a sound like a rifle shot. Spectators would ooh and aah as the sound of his drive reverberated amongst the rows of eucalypts lining the tee boxes out here. Then the ball would travel low before climbing into the air and sailing 300 down the fairway. Old school Normans drives were a sight (and sound) to behold.

[Ashley Schaeffer]

Yep.

 

Both are beasts who killed the ball. Great impact positions!

I remember old photos of Greg Norman having a very similar impact positon as Jack. Gives meaning to the old adage that impact is the only thing that matters.

 

I must say i saw tiger in 2000&2001 hit 25 or so drivers on the range less than 10 feet from me and it still didnt compare to when i saw norman hit a half bucket of drivers in 88. How that man did not win more than 2 majors is a modern day miracle. Its like standing next to Nick Price in 93 and listening to the thump of his irons on the range. What a sound. Greg Norman was probably top 3 all time driver of the ball.

 

There you go denigrating Tiger to elevate Norman . . .

Am I doing it right?

[lowheel]

Cute. Adult behavior might dictate a more rational response given the fact that not everyone agrees completely with a snowflake, but, live your dream. Maybe another meme would be in order. I'll stand by.

 

Still trying for that fake moral highground? You using the the words rational response and saying sarcastically Tom Morris would have won 35 majors might have exploded your hypocrisy meter but alas..

Please note not 1 person has agreed with your banal conclusions in this thread and that should be enough to convince you you're a one man island.

Keep denigrating an entire generation of hall of fame golfers because "they had it easy" and "their swings are trash"

Heres the difference between us. You hate jack and idolize tiger. I like both. I dont denigrate one to boost the other. 1 was the others idol, that says volumes of how rarely we get to see players like that in 1 lifetime let alone 2.

But please call me a snowflake for calling out all your indefensible BS theories. Have a good one and enjoy your uphill walk

 

Never said their swings were trash. I don't hate Nicklaus. I don't idolize Tiger Woods. Don't try to revise what I wrote. The OTM comment was in response to some dude who thought 18>14 was the only relevant analysis. Clearly, there is more to it than that.

 

I don't have to agree with you. I simply think Tiger was better than Nicklaus. I'm fine if you don't agree with me. Maybe you should try that approach.

Having an opinion that isn't in line with the Jack fanboys makes you a Tiger lover/Jack hater on this forum. I agree with you that Tiger was a better golfer than Jack, but that doesn't make me a Jack hater. Through to 2009, it was indesputable that Tiger had a superior career to that age, despite Jack going pro at a younger age. Tiger didn't have the longevity of Jack, but before the wheels fell off he was the greatest golfer who ever lived. To attack someone for having an opinion that Tiger was better than Jack, or that Jack was better than tiger, is very close minded.

 

Playa, youre a very well informed poster and all around knowleadgable guy as golf history goes. Im not a Jack fanboy or Tiger fanboy so he was not attacked for not thinking jack was better he was attacked for denigrating golfers from a different time based on shoddy logic. You just made your case about why you think tiger was greater than jack without diminishing jack. You stated your reasons and explained the timeline without bashing players of yesteryear. I completely respect your position and opinion. However, i dont respect somebody lazily stating look at both swings tell me whos better? He putted around bunkers! The greens were so slow! Those guys had it so easy! Thanks for chiming in my good man

[lowheel]

Yep.

 

Both are beasts who killed the ball. Great impact positions!

I remember old photos of Greg Norman having a very similar impact positon as Jack. Gives meaning to the old adage that impact is the only thing that matters.

 

I must say i saw tiger in 2000&2001 hit 25 or so drivers on the range less than 10 feet from me and it still didnt compare to when i saw norman hit a half bucket of drivers in 88. How that man did not win more than 2 majors is a modern day miracle. Its like standing next to Nick Price in 93 and listening to the thump of his irons on the range. What a sound. Greg Norman was probably top 3 all time driver of the ball.

 

There you go denigrating Tiger to elevate Norman . . .

Am I doing it right?

 

Nope