Maltby TS2

[coreyhr]

Maltby irons are basically Pokemon at this point, apparently I've got to catch 'em all. I ran across a gently used set of TS1 IM heads that were a crazy good deal, and built them up the other night. I now have the TS1 IM, TS3 and TS4. I've been playing the TS3 for the better part of the last year. But I think I may start this year with TS1 IM in 5-8 and TS4 in 9-PW. I couldn't believe how good the TS1 IM felt. They also launch considerably higher for me than the TS3 & TS4. Spin is a little on the low side, but I can get away with it due to the launch. I was perfectly content with my TS3/TS4 setup, but I just like the TS1 IM too much not to put them in the bag. They've got just a tad bit more pop due to the higher launch/lower spin than the other two (for me). It's good to know I can rotate between any variation of the 3 Maltby's and play well with any of them. 

 

 

[Klubster]

8 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

In my opinion, MOI is overrated for irons.  A longer "C-dimension" or horizontal COG contributes more to making an iron easier to hit than a higher MOI does.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed.  A higher MOI will really only benefit a player that is all over the clubface with their impact.  The closer you hit toward the sweet spot, the less important it is.

[Klubster]

8 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

In my opinion, MOI is overrated for irons.  A longer "C-dimension" or horizontal COG contributes more to making an iron easier to hit than a higher MOI does.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed.  A higher MOI will really only benefit a player that is all over the clubface with their impact.  The closer you hit toward the sweet spot, the less important it is.

[Klubster]

8 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

In my opinion, MOI is overrated for irons.  A longer "C-dimension" or horizontal COG contributes more to making an iron easier to hit than a higher MOI does.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed.  A higher MOI will really only benefit a player that is all over the clubface with their impact.  The closer you hit toward the sweet spot, the less important it is.

[AZstu324]

47 minutes ago, coreyhr said:

Maltby irons are basically Pokemon at this point, apparently I've got to catch 'em all. I ran across a gently used set of TS1 IM heads that were a crazy good deal, and built them up the other night. I now have the TS1 IM, TS3 and TS4. I've been playing the TS3 for the better part of the last year. But I think I may start this year with TS1 IM in 5-8 and TS4 in 9-PW. I couldn't believe how good the TS1 IM felt. They also launch considerably higher for me than the TS3 & TS4. Spin is a little on the low side, but I can get away with it due to the launch. I was perfectly content with my TS3/TS4 setup, but I just like the TS1 IM too much not to put them in the bag. They've got just a tad bit more pop due to the higher launch/lower spin than the other two (for me). It's good to know I can rotate between any variation of the 3 Maltby's and play well with any of them. 

 

 

When you can own 2-3 sets of Maltbys for the price of 1 OEM, why would you not have multiple sets? 😜 It makes perfect sense! I too am the proud sensible owner of a set of TS3's and TS4's 🤣

[brew4eagle]

8 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

In my opinion, MOI is overrated for irons.  A longer "C-dimension" or horizontal COG contributes more to making an iron easier to hit than a higher MOI does.

 

It sounds like the designs with lower AVCOG's don't fit you as well, so you just need to try something a little higher,.... but not too high, as in near the center of the ball or higher, which will generally make an iron more difficult to hit in the vertical aspect of impact.

 

The MMB irons have a C-dimension at 1.391".  The Ke4 Max are at 1.659", which is as long as you will find for that profile and face length.  In other words, they have a lot of area to work with across the face....and they have an AVCOG at .758", which is "mid" within the optimal zone below the center of the ball and not likely to be too low.

 

I'd try the Max first.  Then go from there

 

 

 

 

Curious how MOI and C-Dim are related.  Since MOI is 'resistance to twisting' wouldn't a high MOI design naturally have a large C-Dim, and vice versa?  Or does the MOI calculated by Maltby rely more strongly on other parameters, and C-Dim becomes less impactful to the calc?

[KCEE]

12 minutes ago, Klubster said:

Agreed.  A higher MOI will really only benefit a player that is all over the clubface with their impact.  The closer you hit toward the sweet spot, the less important it is.

Of course if we could all hit close to the sweet spot consistently then SGI irons wouldn't exist lol. Seriously though I do think you may only need so much MOI in an iron before there's a diminishing return. Sometimes I think the MPF prioritizes CoG a bit too much, but I might feel differently if I had more trouble elevating my iron shots.

[Klubster]

5 minutes ago, brew4eagle said:

Curious how MOI and C-Dim are related.  Since MOI is 'resistance to twisting' wouldn't a high MOI design naturally have a large C-Dim, and vice versa?  Or does the MOI calculated by Maltby rely more strongly on other parameters, and C-Dim becomes less impactful to the calc?

My understanding is that a high MOI has the weight of the head distributed toward the heel and toe to resist twisting while a lower MOI has more weight behind the sweet spot.  The C dim is related to how far toward the toe the COG is located.  

[NRJyzr]

2 hours ago, brew4eagle said:

Curious how MOI and C-Dim are related.  Since MOI is 'resistance to twisting' wouldn't a high MOI design naturally have a large C-Dim, and vice versa?  Or does the MOI calculated by Maltby rely more strongly on other parameters, and C-Dim becomes less impactful to the calc?

 

They're actually not as closely related as you might think, at first.  Here's an interesting example from Ye Olde Days, from Macgregor; the famous CF4000.  Rather high MOI for a blade, but note that very low C Dimension:

 

 

 

MOI is generally heel/toe weighting, to prevent twisting on mishit contact.  Add a longer hosel and you'll get something like what you see above.

 

Edited April 25 by NRJyzr

[achappy]

Crazy question....is anyone using the TS1-IM 3I as a "driving iron"?  I know there is the KE4 FDI but I've historically struggled with large club heads with offset.  Never been a fan of the bulky driving irons and figured the TS1-IM may be forgiving enough.

[PPhil]

@NRJyzr here’s a few pics of one.  found this 2i at st vinnies a few weeks ago for a couple bucks.  What a relic! Saucy top line

[Fellaheen51]

After 4+ years of playing the OG TS-1's, I've come to the conclusion that it's time to move on.  I've continued to get older (closing in on 73), the mishits seem to be more frequent, the current shafts are becoming problematic.  Time to MAX out.  Before jumping in totally, have a 7 iron in the cart, ready to order, for a quick evaluation.  With a Kuro Kage A flex shaft.  Seems to check the boxes for a LW iron shaft (but at 73g uncut, not excessively so), mid-trajectory, at a reasonable price point.  Anyone have experience with the KK shaft?  Doesn't seem to get mentioned much in these friendly confines.  The comments about MPF shafts playing stiff to flex makes me nervous. TIA for opinions.  

 

Plus a 54* Max 1.05 wedge to finally do away with the TSW 54* that I've never gotten along with the entire time it's been in the bag.  Already have a 58* 1.05 that plays quite nicely, so anticipating more of the same.  And a PTM-4 putter that I've been eyeballing forever.  After several years of the same, time for some new "feels".  

[Cwebb]

13 minutes ago, PPhil said:

@NRJyzr here’s a few pics of one.  found this 2i at st vinnies a few weeks ago for a couple bucks.  What a relic! Saucy top line

 

You have to darn near shank the thing, to get a relatively solid strike 🤠

[Fellaheen51]

10 minutes ago, PPhil said:

@NRJyzr here’s a few pics of one.  found this 2i at st vinnies a few weeks ago for a couple bucks.  What a relic! Saucy top line

 

They're dangerous things.  Almost broke both my wrists when I tried hitting a golf ball with a 7i once and the club head dead stopped in terra firma.  MPF of -341 for a reason.  They were lookers though: 

 

 

 

[wantacigar]

28 minutes ago, Fellaheen51 said:

 

They're dangerous things.  Almost broke both my wrists when I tried hitting a golf ball with a 7i once and the club head dead stopped in terra firma.  MPF of -341 for a reason.  They were lookers though: 

 

 

 

I started playing and learning golf in early to mid 80's on my father's 1960's-1970's Walter Haigen blades!  My first set of my own irons was Spaulding Executives box set!   How much easier the Spaulding were to hit than the Haigs.  LOL

[ThinkingPlus]

3 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

 

They're actually not as closely related as you might think, at first.  Here's an interesting example from Ye Olde Days, from Macgregor; the famous CF4000.  Rather high MOI for a blade, but note that very low C Dimension:

 

 

 

MOI is generally heel/toe weighting, to prevent twisting on mishit contact.  Add a longer hosel and you'll get something like what you see above.

 

Impossible to hit the CG without getting a little shanky...

[NRJyzr]

3 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Impossible to hit the CG without getting a little shanky...

 

It's close, but the CDim is measured at the sole (I know that you know this; it's more a general added comment 😉). 

 

As high as that CG is, there's a little room there.  Emphasis on "little"    😁

 

Edited April 25 by NRJyzr

[ThinkingPlus]

2 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

It's close, but the CDim is measured at the sole (I know that you know this; it's more a general added comment 😉). 

 

As high as that CG is, there's a little room there.  Emphasis on "little"    😁

 

That certainly helps. I just worry when I am counting on the ball not compressing much to mitigate a shank. I’ve hit shots where just a tiny bit of the ball flattens onto the hosel. Weirdest ball flight. It can make you a little nervous on the next swing.

[NRJyzr]

5 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

That certainly helps. I just worry when I am counting on the ball not compressing much to mitigate a shank. I’ve hit shots where just a tiny bit of the ball flattens onto the hosel. Weirdest ball flight. It can make you a little nervous on the next swing.

 

I know this feeling a little too well.  My primary miss is heel side, there are far too many instances in my memory of seeing the ball mark with a hint of touching the hosel.  

 

Cringing at my keyboard thinking about it.  LOL

 

[mstuewe]

3 hours ago, achappy said:

Crazy question....is anyone using the TS1-IM 3I as a "driving iron"?  I know there is the KE4 FDI but I've historically struggled with large club heads with offset.  Never been a fan of the bulky driving irons and figured the TS1-IM may be forgiving enough.

It’s not crazy, I’ll probably build one when I get bored this summer.  It’s a high launch low spin rocket of clubhead

[OhioGolf7272]

3 hours ago, achappy said:

Crazy question....is anyone using the TS1-IM 3I as a "driving iron"?  I know there is the KE4 FDI but I've historically struggled with large club heads with offset.  Never been a fan of the bulky driving irons and figured the TS1-IM may be forgiving enough.

I am also interested in this question as I have been wondering about doing the same thing. Titleist is billing T200 UDIs and Taylor Made is doing the same with P790s this year—just noting because those felt similar to the TS1 IMs in my experience trying stuff. The TS3 4 iron is also 22* and you could bend that to 20*. 

 

I play TS3s and am wondering about building out some kind of 19-21* iron. I like my 20* hybrid but it has a tendency to go left too often when squared up. Also would prefer something I can control the trajectory on for that slot in my bag. 

[KCEE]

39 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I know this feeling a little too well.  My primary miss is heel side, there are far too many instances in my memory of seeing the ball mark with a hint of touching the hosel.  

 

Cringing at my keyboard thinking about it.  LOL

 

The heel hit has been my miss lately. I've always missed towards the toe, but every time I make an improvement I then go too far the other way. I much prefer the toe strikes lol

[NRJyzr]

15 minutes ago, KCEE said:

The heel hit has been my miss lately. I've always missed towards the toe, but every time I make an improvement I then go too far the other way. I much prefer the toe strikes lol

 

Funny, I'm the opposite.  I've long missed heel, wished it was otherwise and when it showed up for a while, I found I hated it.  LOL

 

I find it easier to make adjustments to avoid the occasional hoselus lateralus than to deal with toe hits.

 

[TheFrozenChef]

Impatiently waiting to test the ts1-im, ts3, and ts4 7-irons! They’ll be going up against a demo set of 245s as I just sold my t350 gamers. 
 

 

[Gdashoff]

The Ke4 max 4i is also a fantastic driving iron. I had the Ke4 FDI but couldn't stand how chunky it looked. The way they hid the back weight on the max make them look much slimmer.

[Mike_C]

Picked up my irons last night.   TS-3 4-5, TS-4 6-GW.  Recoil Dart V 105 F4 shafts with tour velvet +4 grips.  Going to try to get to the range for a bit today if I can. 

[Cameron Circle T]

32 minutes ago, Mike_C said:

Picked up my irons last night.   TS-3 4-5, TS-4 6-GW.  Recoil Dart V 105 F4 shafts with tour velvet +4 grips.  Going to try to get to the range for a bit today if I can. 

This is excellent.  Thanks for posting pics. I was thinking about adding the TS3 4-5 to my TS4 set. The TS4 4 iron is a little more intimidating than I prefer.

[OhioGolf7272]

4 hours ago, Gdashoff said:

The Ke4 max 4i is also a fantastic driving iron. I had the Ke4 FDI but couldn't stand how chunky it looked. The way they hid the back weight on the max make them look much slimmer.

Definitely considering that too! I hit a KE4 Max 7i and was impressed by how slim that looked. Just stuck deciding between shafts and heads for this slot in my bag. 

[groovingrover]

Yeah I made a ke4 max into a driving iron as well, almost everyone i play with is impressed by how consistently I hit that club. 

On another note, you all are seriously making me consider some ts4s after gaming the ts3s for a while...

[WasatchBogey]

A couple questions about C-dim & actual vcog - 

 

1) The charts always show the numbers for a 6i. Do the numbers stay pretty much the same throughout the irons?

 

2) If, for example for the TS1 IM, the actual vcog is .788 & the C-dim is 1.462, if I were to measure (approximately) 1 1/2” from the center of the hosel & 3/4” up from the sole & put a dot at that intersection, would that be the COG of the iron, (unshafted head would balance on a pen at that point) & would that be the perfect impact point?