GC asks "Is Jordan Spieth done?"

[bladehunter]

Crying about the way the ball came out of the rough? And that the wind picked up during the balls flight is self talk? No, it’s totally weak and annoying to watch. I couldn’t care less about his “resume.” I played minor league baseball before succumbing to injuries. That’s the first thing we learned. Act like a professional. That’s why you don’t hear it from most players. Because they act like pros.

 

Lol. Act like pros. How does a pro act ? Cuss fights with himself ? Club breaking ? Thats a made up description in YOUR head.

 

He’s a pro by any definition of the word. Therefore he’s always acting like one. Pretty hard to dispute that a guy who shares more stats with tiger and jack than anybody ,except maybe Rory , isn’t a pro.

11 and 3 is Tiger & Jack territory? He was being compared to their start but has seriously tapered off. I expect he'll find it but the days of uber confidence might be waning.

 

I’m not going to list all stats. But checkout wins by certain young ages. Majors by certain young ages. Am titles , etc. it mirrors jack and tiger closer than most anybody.

 

Sure. He has to keep it up and didn’t last year. But the sky’s falling people are going to eat crow , wait and see.

 

You need to look at wins and majors by STARTS, not age. Don’t fall into that silliness like the GC click bait guys do.

 

Then you will quickly find that Jordan is far far from a Jack or a Tiger.

 

Please links us to that info. I can’t seem to find it. Just wins by age

[manku]

Athletes, like musicians or artists, have an unknown shelf life...that's part of what makes it fun as a spectator. We don't know if JS will ever win again, or win 15 majors...it's watching it unfold that entertains us.

 

I think golf is more watchable with him in contention, so I'm rooting for him to recover his form.

 

But if he doesn't, I won't lose any sleep over it! Unless he's pulling a MC Hammer, he should be set for life :)

[Cool Runnings]

bladehunter:

“I don’t think anyone thinks that I’m saying he’s a perfect saint. But we aren’t seeing the cuss tirades , club breaking and general out of control behavior of some of the tours princes. Compared to most he’s pretty tame.

 

What I’m referring to is that ANY time he speaks to his ball or complains of anything on course some jack wagon will post about him “ whining “ . As if every player doesn’t do that from time to time. I hear this from guys who I’ve also read complain of his terrible swing , and short distance . They genuinely are mad that he is a star with what they perceive to be less talent than they have. It’s silly. When guys post in a jovial way to let all know “ I told you so “ when someone is down. It speaks volumes to their true motives and thoughts. And no. I’m NOT accusing you of this at all. Just explaining my stance.

 

I agree it was a terrible year by his standards. Frustrations run high. But that’s it. The sky is not falling.”

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I agree with you when saying he ‘talks to himself’ more than almost anyone on tour, and I like some others here don’t have an issue with that, in fact, I quite enjoy it at times… BUT this ‘self talk’ seems like it’s constantly on a limit, where he’s on the cusp of going overboard into the territory of whining & blaming (as we’ve seen fairly regularly in 2017 & 2018) and even passing into the uncomfortable place where he needed to publicly apologise to his caddie and the viewing public for his on course behaviour.

What with Jordan regularly on this emotional limit and with his increasing fidgeting, not to mention him being a very very slow player to watch - he’s fast becoming a player that’s hard to watch/pull for. I think these emotional states he gets into are his curse, but if he can better manage these emotional states then they can also be his saviour and propel him on to even greater success.

[Shilgy]

Agolf1-

 

Overall I can agree with this. I do believe both NEED to fulfill the grand slam quota To unlock the rest of their potentials.

Confused by this. Somehow they are both being held back from winning now because they haven't won that 4th different major?

[Roadking2003]

 

Please links us to that info. I can't seem to find it. Just wins by age

 

Jordan, 11 wins after 119 starts.

 

Jack, 20 wins after 114 starts

 

Tiger, 29 wins after 109 starts

 

Jordan, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jack, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Tiger, 15 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jordan's win rate is very similar to Phil's (around 8%)

 

Jack began winning at the rate of about 18% early in his career and ended up at about the same win rate.

 

Tiger began winning at the rate of about 25% early in his career and is now at 24%.

[Darth Putter]

Here's two stats illustrating the struggle.

 

Jordan Spieth will be ranked #20 in the world next week AT BEST. He could fall out of the top 20.

 

He is #38 in the 2019 US President's Cup standings.

 

Work to do.

[mds5062]

GC asks,

 

Oh, man, nobody watching. What can we say to get some views?

 

; )

 

Exactly my thought. Didn't see this segment but I'm sure it was just as bad as Skype and his hot takes for ratings.

[Obee]

Please links us to that info. I can't seem to find it. Just wins by age

 

Jordan, 11 wins after 119 starts.

 

Jack, 20 wins after 114 starts

 

Tiger, 29 wins after 109 starts

 

Jordan, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jack, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Tiger, 15 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jordan's win rate is very similar to Phil's (around 8%)

 

Jack began winning at the rate of about 18% early in his career and ended up at about the same win rate.

 

Tiger began winning at the rate of about 25% early in his career and is now at 24%.

 

25%. Wow. I've always known that, but when you see it in comparison to Phil (and even Jack), it's just astounding.

[A.Princey]

Can't argue with numbers like that, absolute dominance. Guess that's why people *expected* him to win every time he tee'd it up in his prime, and why folks still expect it today. You feed the peasants too much from the king's hand and they'll get fat, lazy and ungrateful when food's still there, but lesser in quantity.

[hdr_ric]

 

 

Lol. Act like pros. How does a pro act ? Cuss fights with himself ? Club breaking ? Thats a made up description in YOUR head.

 

He’s a pro by any definition of the word. Therefore he’s always acting like one. Pretty hard to dispute that a guy who shares more stats with tiger and jack than anybody ,except maybe Rory , isn’t a pro.

11 and 3 is Tiger & Jack territory? He was being compared to their start but has seriously tapered off. I expect he'll find it but the days of uber confidence might be waning.

 

I’m not going to list all stats. But checkout wins by certain young ages. Majors by certain young ages. Am titles , etc. it mirrors jack and tiger closer than most anybody.

 

Sure. He has to keep it up and didn’t last year. But the sky’s falling people are going to eat crow , wait and see.

 

You need to look at wins and majors by STARTS, not age. Don’t fall into that silliness like the GC click bait guys do.

 

Then you will quickly find that Jordan is far far from a Jack or a Tiger.

 

Please links us to that info. I can’t seem to find it. Just wins by age

 

The only way I have ever gotten it is to go to each players pga tour stats page and manually add up the starts and wins for each year. It’s a pain, but I can add it to this post as an EDIT later today maybe.

 

Edit - nvm, I see Roadking already pulled the #s.

[Par5overWater]

The fact that we have his stats next to Jack and Tigers is all you need to know. The guy is incredibly clutch and knows how to win. Once he gets a little momentum going and some confidence, look out. He is a closer, no doubt he will win a boatload more on tour, including majors. I am a little concerned with his current form, but that goes about as far as his next couple starts, and that's it, not his career.

[Golfnutgalen]

Please links us to that info. I can't seem to find it. Just wins by age

 

Jordan, 11 wins after 119 starts.

 

Jack, 20 wins after 114 starts

 

Tiger, 29 wins after 109 starts

 

Jordan, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jack, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Tiger, 15 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jordan's win rate is very similar to Phil's (around 8%)

 

Jack began winning at the rate of about 18% early in his career and ended up at about the same win rate.

 

Tiger began winning at the rate of about 25% early in his career and is now at 24%.

 

great stats!

 

It looks like you're excluding amateur starts of which Nicklaus had 19 and Tiger 14. Tiger in his prime was so dominant it was almost unbelievable. Here is Jack and Tiger with their best year end career win percentage:

 

 

Jack 1973, age 33, 52/265 wins up to this point (19.62%)

 

Tiger 2009, age 33, 71/239 wins (29.71%)

 

 

The only problem is that Tiger fell off a cliff after that and has dropped down to a measly 80/335 (23.88%) wins since. For comparison Jack Nicklaus was at 71/413 (17.19%) up to his age 42 season, 73/475 (15.37%) up to his final victory season, and 73/609 (11.99%) for his career total. These numbers include the Open Championship which is not listed on the PGA Tour's career totals up until 1995 and exclude amateur starts.

 

I know, way off topic!

[bscinstnct]

Please links us to that info. I can't seem to find it. Just wins by age

 

Jordan, 11 wins after 119 starts.

 

Jack, 20 wins after 114 starts

 

Tiger, 29 wins after 109 starts

 

Jordan, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jack, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Tiger, 15 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jordan's win rate is very similar to Phil's (around 8%)

 

Jack began winning at the rate of about 18% early in his career and ended up at about the same win rate.

 

Tiger began winning at the rate of about 25% early in his career and is now at 24%.

 

25%. Wow. I've always known that, but when you see it in comparison to Phil (and even Jack), it's just astounding.

 

Over 4 years from 99-02 TW won

 

35% of the PGA tour events he played and

44% of the Majors he played

 

That is freakin insane.

 

Then, during another 4 years from 05-08 TW won

48% of the PGA tour events he played in and

38% of the Majors he played in

 

So there were 8 years combined that TW won like 40% of the events and 40% of the Majors he played in.

 

Guys saying,

 

"We are playing for 2nd place out here"

 

Was really not far from the truth ; )

[Golfnutgalen]

Over 4 years from 99-02 TW won

 

35% of the PGA tour events he played and

44% of the Majors he played

 

That is freakin insane.

 

Then, during another 4 years from 05-08 TW won

48% of the PGA tour events he played in and

38% of the Majors he played in

 

So there were 8 years combined that TW won like 40% of the events and 40% of the Majors he played in.

 

Guys saying,

 

"We are playing for 2nd place out here"

 

Was really not far from the truth ; )

 

Tiger won nearly 30% of his majors and regular tournaments as a pro from 1996-2009. 30%!

 

71/239 (29.71%) wins by the end of 2009.

 

14/46 majors (30.43%) up to the 2008 US Open

 

 

Dustin Johnson who is a pretty good player has won 20/246 events. Tiger won 50 more events up to that stage in his career.

 

 

Of course Tiger has been a rather paltry 9/96 wins since then including 0/28 in majors.

[lowheel]

Please links us to that info. I can't seem to find it. Just wins by age

 

Jordan, 11 wins after 119 starts.

 

Jack, 20 wins after 114 starts

 

Tiger, 29 wins after 109 starts

 

Jordan, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jack, 11 wins through year he turned 24

 

Tiger, 15 wins through year he turned 24

 

Jordan's win rate is very similar to Phil's (around 8%)

 

Jack began winning at the rate of about 18% early in his career and ended up at about the same win rate.

 

Tiger began winning at the rate of about 25% early in his career and is now at 24%.

 

Also important to point out this decade hes at at 9% and has won 1 of his last 40 starts which is a clip of 2.5%.Of course injuries are ahuge factor but so is age and skill which is inevitable. Moving forward if he has seasons like last year for the next 3-4 years which would be great for his age and health (touch wood stays healthy) That # will drop significantly which again is perfectly normal.

 

It remains to be seen if jordan can maintain 8-9% which is outstanding for the next 10 years.If he does hes at 35 wins...