New High End Boutique Putter manufacturer: Dancing Astronaut Designs

[TJGolf55]

14 hours ago, Briant Schrodinger said:

I have never heard of a +-8, not even in mass oem production. I don’t know where you got that from, but that’s highly exaggerated. No one is that bad at CNC with the same program to throw a 350 block to 342 or 358. +-3 is the normal, but that’s even less. You might in reality look at +-2. While this is said, if it was to throw the weight it would likely be source material or depth, not toe or heel.

The COA on this said 340g...  Only off by 11g...  

[TJGolf55]

14 hours ago, Briant Schrodinger said:

I have never heard of a +-8, not even in mass oem production. I don’t know where you got that from, but that’s highly exaggerated. No one is that bad at CNC with the same program to throw a 350 block to 342 or 358. +-3 is the normal, but that’s even less. You might in reality look at +-2. While this is said, if it was to throw the weight it would likely be source material or depth, not toe or heel.

Kevin Burns 9303 I’ve seen posted head weight up to 353g...  

[TJGolf55]

14 hours ago, Briant Schrodinger said:

I have never heard of a +-8, not even in mass oem production. I don’t know where you got that from, but that’s highly exaggerated. No one is that bad at CNC with the same program to throw a 350 block to 342 or 358. +-3 is the normal, but that’s even less. You might in reality look at +-2. While this is said, if it was to throw the weight it would likely be source material or depth, not toe or heel.

Odyssey Dual Force Rosie II...  I’m sure the spec sheet doesn’t say 326g...  

[jonradus]

Unreal. I just had a conversation about this with another fellow member and we came to the conclusion that tons of boutique putter weights are not all that close to the advertised weights. It seems this may be an industry wide trend. If I ever do a custom again, I’m going to ask for a picture of the head being weighed on a scale before I buy it. TJGolf55: I have the same scale. 

[MattM97]

It's crazy how off a putter can be, maybe that's why some brands don't list weights. Wonder how many guys would toss their putters on a scale and balance point to show the customer got what they asked for. 

[Ms307nm]

Next up is this beaut

[Ms307nm]

1 hour ago, jonradus said:

Unreal. I just had a conversation about this with another fellow member and we came to the conclusion that tons of boutique putter weights are not all that close to the advertised weights. It seems this may be an industry wide trend. If I ever do a custom again, I’m going to ask for a picture of the head being weighed on a scale before I buy it. TJGolf55: I have the same scale. 

Sean will ask you what head weight you want. He’ll also account for inlay weights and design changes. It nice to know if you want a specific weight it can be met. 

[Bsch189]

8 hours ago, TJGolf55 said:

The COA on this said 340g...  Only off by 11g...  

Oh wow, that is extremely bad. I had thought that the China-produced Scotty Cameron’s from Fusheng Precision was on point. (Yes, not milled in the USA.)

 

I own a few custom heads from small makers, and they are all on point.

 

All of the heads you posted was new and had not been refurbished?

[Guy In Lyon]

On 3/10/2021 at 4:39 PM, Golfingfanatic said:

What's the benefit of using 316 stainless compared to 303?

It's 13 more...

(Spinal Tap reference)

[Ms307nm]

4 hours ago, Briant Schrodinger said:

Oh wow, that is extremely bad. I had thought that the China-produced Scotty Cameron’s from Fusheng Precision was on point. (Yes, not milled in the USA.)

 

I own a few custom heads from small makers, and they are all on point.

 

All of the heads you posted was new and had not been refurbished?

Lol scotties being done in China. We aren’t talking about knock off putters. 
 

11 gram on a refurb, how bad is the putter you are refurbing? Post pics of your custom putters with head weights. 
 

dude stop trolling this thread it’s getting old. 

[MattM97]

1 hour ago, Ms307nm said:

Lol scotties being done in China. We aren’t talking about knock off putters. 
 

11 gram on a refurb, how bad is the putter you are refurbing? Post pics of your custom putters with head weights. 
 

dude stop trolling this thread it’s getting old. 

 

Actually if you re-mill a face you can lose close to 10g depending on what's done. Not saying the other guy is right but it's possible.

[Ms307nm]

43 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

 

Actually if you re-mill a face you can lose close to 10g depending on what's done. Not saying the other guy is right but it's possible.

Roger that, I guess a deep mill would be in that area. 

[MattM97]

1 minute ago, Ms307nm said:

Roger that, I guess a deep mill would be in that area. 

 

It is and sometimes they'll actually flatten the face then re-mill if someone wants to go lighter. Also just an extra tidbit if you decide to cut a sound slot that's also about 10g if you go all the way though the sole.

[Bsch189]

6 hours ago, Ms307nm said:

Lol scotties being done in China. We aren’t talking about knock off putters. 
 

11 gram on a refurb, how bad is the putter you are refurbing? Post pics of your custom putters with head weights. 
 

dude stop trolling this thread it’s getting old. 

Dude, don’t be so rude. How about welcoming other opinions than your own?

No ongoing refurbishing with a refinisher, but deep mill and shaping can take quite the weight off, as Matt also mentions.

[Ms307nm]

30 minutes ago, Briant Schrodinger said:

Dude, don’t be so rude. How about welcoming other opinions than your own?

No ongoing refurbishing with a refinisher, but deep mill and shaping can take quite the weight off, as Matt also mentions.

All you do is troll post. When you purposely post saying some scotties are milled in China blah blah blah. That no oem tolerances can’t be +- 11 grams. 
 

we just don’t make these numbers up man, these are experiences that tj and I have first hand. Which putters do you have that are spot on? I’m all for learning man 

[luke1333]

I have a scale on the way, curious to see what some of my head weights are

[jonradus]

10 hours ago, luke1333 said:

I have a scale on the way, curious to see what some of my head weights are

Make sure you post back up on here what they actually weigh along with the “reported” weights.

[luke1333]

2 hours ago, jonradus said:

Make sure you post back up on here what they actually weigh along with the “reported” weights.

I will, got one of the highest reviewed food scales from amazon! LOL be here tomorrow and have the head off a Goodwood right now so I am very curious what it is!

[PeanutsDaddy]

I own close to 30, the majority are customs from various makers. Almost all have been head only, and weighed at some point during their time in my hands.

 

Only two have been wildly out of spec (10 - 15 grams over weight) and they were from the same maker. I suspect the heads were weighed before the necks were welded on.  They have since been sent to Ken Flanigan and are now spot on.
 

All of my custom orders from Mannkrafted, Goodwood, SGC, Machine, Cushman, Tad Moore, Burns, and Geom were within a few grams of what I ordered.  
 

This is the majority of my collection , the rest are sprinkled throughout various bags.

Happy you have found a maker whom you appreciate and who can deliver a putter to your desired specifications. There are many makers out there who can do the same. Of course there are examples of out of spec putters (as there are all other clubs in the industry) but it is never a good idea to paint with broad strokes based on a small sample size and a few anecdotal stories. 
 

Let us be thankful for the variety in the market. Various shapes, materials, price points, set-ups, etc. It’s a good time to be an equipment junkie.  
 

PS - that mammoth tooth inlay is bad arse. 

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by PeanutsDaddy

[kmay__]

On 4/10/2021 at 10:34 PM, Ms307nm said:

Next up is this beaut

 

That's an exact bullet sole Olson did a few months back, watched the process on his IG story of how he worked out the tool paths to achieve that look in the machined sole. Sucks when you see these guys copy each others hard work identically like that.... But again I don't know, maybe this company has been doing this for years and Olson copied it from them. Kinda hard to know nowadays whos copying who.

 

 

[PEI_Golfer]

2 hours ago, kmay__ said:

 

Sucks when you see these guys copy each others hard work identically like that

 

 

Couldn't the same thing be said for basically every clone of the Anser?  Hell, Scotty has made a career out of it as his originals are all fugly as hell.

[PeanutsDaddy]

12 minutes ago, PEI_Golfer said:

 

Couldn't the same thing be said for basically every clone of the Anser?  Hell, Scotty has made a career out of it as his originals are all fugly as hell.

The Lamb faithful were arguing that Olsen’s work was a near ‘carbon copy’ of Tyson’s. 

 

Mannkrafted was on the scene well before Lambcrafted was hatched. 
 

The recipe for success is well established. Very few examples of truly original work in the market today. 
 

I do appreciate the subtle variations in each maker’s work.  As I stated previously, there is enough variety to keep everyone interested. 

[Ms307nm]

5 hours ago, kmay__ said:

 

That's an exact bullet sole Olson did a few months back, watched the process on his IG story of how he worked out the tool paths to achieve that look in the machined sole. Sucks when you see these guys copy each others hard work identically like that.... But again I don't know, maybe this company has been doing this for years and Olson copied it from them. Kinda hard to know nowadays whos copying who.

 

 

I know Sean has been rocking that same sole on his blade for a while now. I don’t know who came up with that design but it’s purina. 
 

one is going in my collection for sure 

[Bsch189]

13 hours ago, kmay__ said:

 

That's an exact bullet sole Olson did a few months back, watched the process on his IG story of how he worked out the tool paths to achieve that look in the machined sole. Sucks when you see these guys copy each others hard work identically like that.... But again I don't know, maybe this company has been doing this for years and Olson copied it from them. Kinda hard to know nowadays whos copying who.

 

 

Someone noted that recipe for sure and made a run with it. Kudos to Olson for sharing. I’d say Olson also started out making heavy inspirations of Tysons putters, a place the putter maker in the topic is tapping into now. In general a lot of the U.S. makers are alike, feeding off each others work.

[luke1333]

On 4/12/2021 at 6:52 AM, jonradus said:

Make sure you post back up on here what they actually weigh along with the “reported” weights.

Well got the scale in today, have the head off a Goodwood I just bought still. Head is stamped 350g and scale says 353g! Not bad imo I assume all scales are close, +/- a gram or two so pretty good! I can live with that! Next time I have the head off anything I'll have to measure it too!!

 

 

[jonradus]

18 minutes ago, luke1333 said:

Well got the scale in today, have the head off a Goodwood I just bought still. Head is stamped 350g and scale says 353g! Not bad imo I assume all scales are close, +/- a gram or two so pretty good! I can live with that! Next time I have the head off anything I'll have to measure it too!!

 

 

Hmmm. Why didn’t he just stamp 353g into the head? It’s so close, who cares?

[luke1333]

36 minutes ago, jonradus said:

Hmmm. Why didn’t he just stamp 353g into the head? It’s so close, who cares?

Yeah not sure, maybe his scale said 350? Who knows I'm just glad it isn't 10+ grams off lol

[jonradus]

Rocket riders trending?

[jonradus]

4 hours ago, dfr1028a said:

Because the original person it was finished for requested 350g stamped on it, prior to choosing a different head style. Typically, I do stamp the actual weight with the OK of the buyer. You’ll see it in plenty of my pictures. 349g, 354g, etc. 
 

I also just finished a head that says 352g. That’s what the buyer wanted, even though the head itself is 346g with a 6g tip weight added. 
 

There are lots of things that happen and back stories to why putters end up with things stamped on them, especially with small batch hand finished putters. Heads get finished, sold, sent back in for neck swaps, damage repair, etc. It’s not nearly as black and white as factory mass produced heads should be. 

Yeah. I guess it isn’t black and white. As long as the buyer knows what they’re getting, then anything can be stamped on it. A bunch of TP Mills’ putters have Swiss German stainless stamped on them and I have no idea what that means.

[kuch]

If anyone is interested. Here is some useful info on machining stainless steel types and some differences between 303, 304 and 316.  I see no point in milling putters out of 316.

 

https://geospacemfg.com/blog/machining-304-316-stainless-steel/