Adam Scott - New Irons

[Mitchell]

4 hours ago, tsecor said:

Miura-San would tell you otherwise. I had the pleasure of meeting him at an event in NY and he spoke directly to the small crowd about Tiger and hs irons.  It was a big secret for a long time and many people still deny it.  Doesnt matter either way if you or anyone else believes it....but to the point of the discussion....Nike didnt make anything for certain players

Notice that did not state that Tiger’s Nike irons didn’t start out as Miura forgings, that was in reference to his Titleist ones- Nike used multiple sources for the raw forgings and for ‘certain players’ the constant was that only Mike Taylor ground the raw forgings to final specs/profiles to suit player needs.  Won’t clutter up or sidetrack thread further, since thread is about Adam Scott’s irons and would rather reserve further comment in other threads.

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, Mitchell said:

Notice that did not state that Tiger’s Nike irons didn’t start out as Miura forgings, that was in reference to his Titleist ones- Nike used multiple sources for the raw forgings and for ‘certain players’ the constant was that only Mike Taylor ground the raw forgings to final specs/profiles to suit player needs.  Won’t clutter up or sidetrack thread further, since thread is about Adam Scott’s irons and would rather reserve further comment in other threads.

They also just put swooshes on, I believe it was Precept balls. 

[tsecor]

18 hours ago, Mitchell said:

Notice that did not state that Tiger’s Nike irons didn’t start out as Miura forgings, that was in reference to his Titleist ones- Nike used multiple sources for the raw forgings and for ‘certain players’ the constant was that only Mike Taylor ground the raw forgings to final specs/profiles to suit player needs.  Won’t clutter up or sidetrack thread further, since thread is about Adam Scott’s irons and would rather reserve further comment in other threads.

its really not a discussion. You either believe Miura-San or you dont.  Not sure what he would gain by making up a lie to a small crowd of Miura fans. 

 

 

[Mitchell]

2 hours ago, tsecor said:

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Mitchell
Not productive, NVM

[bladehunter]

2 hours ago, tsecor said:

its really not a discussion. You either believe Miura-San or you dont.  Not sure what he would gain by making up a lie to a small crowd of Miura fans. 

 

 

Miura did not make his titleist irons.  
 

Bobka worked to make him a set to get him out of mizuno .... per Bobka it was an old blank set of box blades he had that they used to start with.  As in 1984 box blades by titleist.  These were 100 % Hoffman forged .  But this set was just a stop gap . Titleist wanted him out of the mizuno set since they’d just paid up to get him . 
 

they then started work on the set that most folks haven’t taken the time to see. These were similar to the 681 but well before the T irons came out.  It’s then that the other titleist staffers got on board and all of the known blank blade ( no model number designation ) started popping up.  Matt jones , Dudley H , Elkington  , Steve stricker , to name a few got sets.  Just about every set was different in some way . You can find pictures of this set with no T if you watch certain footage snd stop it , or the infamous pics of his practice sets which are labeled as such.  These sets are very clearly not the later T irons.  The shape is different.  It’s said that virage forged these blank designation titleist irons , and that’s what I believe.  But I suppose there’s a chance it was endo as well. 
 

the T sets came next , and the T was added no doubt to ad a marketing angle. These RETAIL  T sets are Hoffman forged.  The tour sets tiger used were not.  Bobka says endo did his. .   
 

now the Nike irons , i tend to believe what has been said , that Miura only randomly provided unfinished forgings for wedges when other supply’s ran low etc. this is straight from the actual oven workers making the irons.  

 

but 100 % no doubt in my mind that miura didn’t make any of the titleist irons.  I own a set from that blank blade time , they aren’t Miura.  They bare no resemblance. 
 

 

listen to Bobka here on this link, and see pic of the practice set.  These are post box blade and pre T irons.  Notice the number ( or P) on the sole , not font like either.  Also not Miura.  
 

https://www.golfwrx.com/511174/gear-dive-legendary-club-builder-larry-bobka-speaks-on-tigers-old-titleist-irons/

Edited April 30, 2021 by bladehunter

[Pepperturbo]

On 4/29/2021 at 3:55 AM, bladehunter said:

Exactly.  I learned the game on late 90s early 2000s titleist blades.  Custom grinds and 681 -680 variants.  And I always laughed when someone called them low launching.  They have all the meat down low. And do not launch low.  Same for mizuno mp14 29 68 and 33.  These aren’t low launching irons.  It’s a myth that needs to die.  Most of that due to the dynamic gold shafts that most came with.   

Agree 100%.  Those heads only launch low because of the user's mechanics with shaft profile.  I, too, have played a few different types of MB blades for over thirty years, including Mizuno 29's which were ahead of their time, MacGregor and Titleist 670MBs, etc.  DG shafts, as you say, played their role in launch, way more than the heads.  Though I played DG S300's and X100's, they didn't last long for me, because of their soft handle, but that's another topic.

[tsecor]

54 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Miura did not make his titleist irons.  
 

Bobka worked to make him a set to get him out of mizuno .... per Bobka it was an old blank set of box blades he had that they used to start with.  As in 1984 box blades by titleist.  These were 100 % Hoffman forged .  But this set was just a stop gap . Titleist wanted him out of the mizuno set since they’d just paid up to get him . 
 

they then started work on the set that most folks haven’t taken the time to see. These were similar to the 681 but well before the T irons came out.  It’s then that the other titleist staffers got on board and all of the known blank blade ( no model number designation ) started popping up.  Matt jones , Dudley H , Elkington  , Steve stricker , to name a few got sets.  Just about every set was different in some way . You can find pictures of this set with no T if you watch certain footage snd stop it , or the infamous pics of his practice sets which are labeled as such.  These sets are very clearly not the later T irons.  The shape is different.  It’s said that virage forged these blank designation titleist irons , and that’s what I believe.  But I suppose there’s a chance it was endo as well. 
 

the T sets came next , and the T was added no doubt to ad a marketing angle. These RETAIL  T sets are Hoffman forged.  The tour sets tiger used were not.  Bobka says endo did his. .   
 

now the Nike irons , i tend to believe what has been said , that Miura only randomly provided unfinished forgings for wedges when other supply’s ran low etc. this is straight from the actual oven workers making the irons.  

 

but 100 % no doubt in my mind that miura didn’t make any of the titleist irons.  I own a set from that blank blade time , they aren’t Miura.  They bare no resemblance. 
 

 

listen to Bobka here on this link, and see pic of the practice set.  These are post box blade and pre T irons.  Notice the number ( or P) on the sole , not font like either.  Also not Miura.  
 

https://www.golfwrx.com/511174/gear-dive-legendary-club-builder-larry-bobka-speaks-on-tigers-old-titleist-irons/

Like I said above. I'll take Miura-San at his word over any article.  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.  You believe the oven workers, i believe Miura-San.  No big deal either way.  I don't claim to know every ounce of Miura history or anything close to it. I just had a unique opportunity to meet the man and hear the stories.  Thats all i can go by. 

[Nard_S]

I tend to believe the story laid out by @bladehunter, my big head scratch though is why did Miura receive permission to do a 500 piece run? The "red t's" which might be one of the most coveted MB sets on the planet, are Miura forged. No matter, the 681 is a great iron, mine are Hoffman and they are spectacular. Btw, put them next to MP-14 and you'll see a bunch of styling cues they took to please big cat.

[bladehunter]

18 minutes ago, Nard_S said:

I tend to believe the story laid out by @bladehunter, my big head scratch though is why did Miura receive permission to do a 500 piece run? The "red t's" which might be one of the most coveted MB sets on the planet, are Miura forged. No matter, the 681 is a great iron, mine are Hoffman and they are spectacular. Btw, put them next to MP-14 and you'll see a bunch of styling cues they took to please big cat.

My theory on the Miura T sets is that it was a Japanese Market plan.  They didn’t sell over here directly I don’t think.  So they catered to the Japanese market by getting Miura to do them.  They are their own design too. They aren’t same as the 681 at all.  

[Yoshifan151]

20 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

My theory on the Miura T sets is that it was a Japanese Market plan.  They didn’t sell over here directly I don’t think.  So they catered to the Japanese market by getting Miura to do them.  They are their own design too. They aren’t same as the 681 at all.  

Yeah the Miura Red T irons also have reverse offset, which Japan seems to love but pretty much doesn't exist outside of there. Definitely a JDM focused run.

[KrazyTrain18]

Adam Scott has put the 680MBs back in for the PGA Championship this week.  

[bladehunter]

16 hours ago, KrazyTrain18 said:

Adam Scott has put the 680MBs back in for the PGA Championship this week.  

Not shocked.  It’s hard to find something that interacts with the ground and ball like those and others of the time period.  They’ve just changed it all to feel like a dang ap2 or similar.  So odd in a way.  Not bad. Just odd and different.  

Edited May 20, 2021 by bladehunter

[Titleist_ho]

This week the Titleist Tour Van showed the 680's to be gamed at the PGA

 

[Diamana_Stinger]

On 4/30/2021 at 1:48 PM, Nard_S said:

I tend to believe the story laid out by @bladehunter, my big head scratch though is why did Miura receive permission to do a 500 piece run? The "red t's" which might be one of the most coveted MB sets on the planet, are Miura forged. No matter, the 681 is a great iron, mine are Hoffman and they are spectacular. Btw, put them next to MP-14 and you'll see a bunch of styling cues they took to please big cat.

I would go one step further and say the set of TIgers irons to have even above the miura red T's, are the 1/50 released by Titleist  just as he switched over to nike blades. 1/50 Cherry wood box with every tournament win listed.

[Jwags]

Concrete evidence that 680’s are Endo forged. 

[ewaldbeukes]

On 4/28/2021 at 7:25 PM, Yoshifan151 said:

Larry Bobka said in an interview Tiger's irons were Hoffman and Endo Forgings and people still circlejerk that Miura forged his irons lmao.

Agreed how ridiculous it is that this info is actually common knowledge but people still have conspiracy theories..