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Hi, I have Vokey wedges (probably because lots of pro’s use them) but feel like I would benefit from more forgiving wedges.

 

My handicap index is 6.4 but feel like improving from 100 yards in could take me to the next level.

 

Any tips/opinions on more forgiving wedges? I’ve looked at Cleveland CBX2.

 

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OK, let's see what Vokey SM9 offers:

  • LW: 62*, M grind / 60*, 5 grinds / 58* = 4 grinds
  • SW: 56*, 4 grinds / 54*, 3 grinds
  • GW: 52*, 50*: two F-grind bounces each
  • PW: 46*, 48*: one F-grind bounce each
1 hour ago, SuperSpurs106 said:

Hi, I have Vokey wedges (probably because lots of pro’s use them) but feel like I would benefit from more forgiving wedges.

 

With a fitting, you can find a forgiving Vokey mix among these 22 loft/grind combos - as long as you practice once in awhile.

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Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5° (base loft); weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  PutterΨSeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT, 33" shaft

Ball: 1. Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

    * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

     Ψ  Backups:

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Forgiveness in wedges really doesnt exist. Loft is the overriding factor. I mean you could get a bigger wedge for more face area-would help with shanks. The other thing is just making sure you have correct sole grind and bounce for your swing and conditions.

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Cleveland CBX Zipcore

Ping Glide 3.0/4.0

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TaylorMade Sim Max 9* @ 7* Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg
Ping G425 3wd @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg 
Ping G425 7wd @ -1 Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 6 Reg
Ping G425 22 hybrid @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue HB 6 reg
PXG Gen 4 0311XP 6-GW Fujikura Axiom 75 R2 

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 52*, 56*, 60* DG Spinner Stiff stepped soft
Evnroll ER7  33” Rosemark grip

 

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I’m really liking my Sub 70 286 wedges. Considering the conditions I’ve played in so far this year they have performed very well. 

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Driver- Tour Edge EXS 220

4W- Sub 70 949X

4H- Sub 70 949X

Utility- Sub 70 699U 21 degree

Irons- Sub 70 739 5-PW

Wedges - Sub 70 286 50+54 degree

                 Tour Edge 1 out 58 degree

Putter- Cleveland Huntington Beach #11

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21 hours ago, teedub21 said:

Just put a CBX Zipcore 56 into play. Had the original CBX that went in and out of my bag over the last couple years. The CBX Zipcore looks smaller at address, feels better, is heavier (original CBX was on the light side) silly good out of the sand and easier to hit on full shots than my bladed wedges. 

 Haven't played mine yet but it's hard to not like everything about the cbx.. Clev truly improved on all the previous iterations 

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G425 Max 10.5* Diamana S LTD

G425 Max 16.5* Diamana 75 FW 

G425 Max 19* MMT 80 

Srixon ZX UT 23* MMT 90

Srixon ZX5 5-AW MMT 105

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 54/58 MMT 105 SW

Ping Kushin 4

 

 

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Cleveland CBXs, Ping Glides and Callaway Mack Daddy CBs should be at the top of your list.

 

Driver - Titleist TSi2 9* (A1) Autoflex SF505                   Frankenstein Irons:

3W - Ping G430 Tour 2.0 Chrome 75 (S)                         4i - PING i210

19* Hyb - Ping G430 Tour 2.0 Chrome 85 (S).                5i - Cobra King Tour (MIM)

Irons - 4-PW Maltby TS1 Nippon 950GH Stiff                 6i - Titleist T100

GW - Vokey SM8 50* F-grind                                           7i - Mizuno MP20 MMC

SW - Vokey SM8 54* D-grind (bent to 55)                      8i - Callaway X-Forged

LW - Vokey SM8 60* M-grind                                           9i - TaylorMade P7MC 

Putter - SeeMore PCB with LAGP SoHo                          PW - Srixon ZX-7

                                                                                            GW - Wilson Staff CB

 

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PING Glide 3.0  Eye2  , very good for me , i have 54° and 60°  

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PING G425  max driver   10.5°    Alta-quick 35g soft-R  

PING G425  SFT  wood 3  5  7 ( 16° 19°  22°)       soft-R  DISTANZA

PING G le 2  wood     7(26°)  9(30°) Alta CB soft-R

PING G430 hybrid  7 (34°)

PING I500 soft-R Alta CB 5 - PW (22,5° (27°) (32,5°) 37° 42° 47° ( 52°) )
PING Glide 3 eye2 54° 60° alta CB soft-R 
PING Sigma 2  FETCH or PING Anser 6 milled

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Another vote for the CBX.  it’s really as versatile and easy to use wedge as the old 588s were.  Might want to check out Edel too.

Driver:  Ping 425Max (Aldila Synergy)

3W&5W:  Mizuno ST-Z (Aldila Synergy)

7W Taylor Made Stealth (Aldila Ascent)

4H:  Taylor Made Sim2 Max (Accra FX)

5-GW:  Taylor Made Sim2 Max (SteelFiber i110)

52* Edel SMS C-Grind (Paderson Wedge Flex)

56*W Cleveland CBX (SteelFiber i110CW)

Bettinardi QB10

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On 4/7/2022 at 6:16 PM, ChipNRun said:

OK, let's see what Vokey SM9 offers:

  • LW: 62*, M grind / 60*, 5 grinds / 58* = 4 grinds
  • SW: 56*, 4 grinds / 54*, 3 grinds
  • GW: 52*, 50*: two F-grind bounces each
  • PW: 46*, 48*: one F-grind bounce each

 

With a fitting, you can find a forgiving Vokey mix among these 22 loft/grind combos - as long as you practice once in awhile.

A leading golf club designer (can’t remember who unfortunately) is on record as saying the average blade wedge is much less forgiving than the average blade 8 iron. Now if you play blades and strike your 8 iron really well then a Vokey 56 is for you. I’m a low digit HC and I play ZX7s with 60, 54 and 50 CBX2s. I find forgiveness in wedges extremely important even though I am a better than average ball striker. Play what works for you not what works for Justin Thomas. He does practice for hours and hours. L

 

BTW, the wedge manufacturers, Vokey included, have been designing wedges to be more forgiving and sole grinds are only part of that equation. 

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When I think forgiveness in irons I think of retaining ball speed on off center hits. If this is what you’re looking for, the CBx or the set wedges from whatever iron set you’re playing is the way to go. 
 

When I think forgiveness in wedges I’m looking more at how the sole interacts with the turf and allows for similar outcomes with slight variations to the low point. This can be achieved by going through a wedge fitting and matching your chipping and pitching technique, your typical turf conditions, and the bounce/grind of your wedge. Because of this, Vokey is one of the best options as they have the largest combination of loft/bounce/grind. Another advantage of Vokey is that once you get this fitted you can replace your wedges easily as there aren’t major changes in design from season to season. 

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So a quick update on the cbx zipcores.  Payed cbx2 and though good, didn't work for my eye. 

 

Was on the fence about continue with my zx5/7 combo or going all zx5 until I can dedicate more time. Keep in mind, wedges are my strength. In fact the shorter my clubs get, the more confident I get. Took the cbx out today and within 5 shots decision was made. They slow incredibly well with the 5s and are crazy forgiving. Was more or less just swinging away and even a few chunks still flew straightish. 

 

Will also say, they felt surprisingly good. My (previous) gamers were Cleveland full face and these didn't make me feel like I was missing anything

 

 

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G425 Max 10.5* Diamana S LTD

G425 Max 16.5* Diamana 75 FW 

G425 Max 19* MMT 80 

Srixon ZX UT 23* MMT 90

Srixon ZX5 5-AW MMT 105

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 54/58 MMT 105 SW

Ping Kushin 4

 

 

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Another vote for the CBX Zipcore here. I bought a 56°, and when I demoed it it felt really good, I like the weight of it. It's not a miracle worker, I did lose some distance on the fat shots. The thing I really liked though, the spin. I have never spun a ball back on course, and on the sim at the store I did. I know that spin will go down on the course,but it was nice to see that a few times.

D-Taylormade SIM MAX D Diamana PD 50r

3w- Honma TW-XP1 

17° Adams XTD Ti super hybrid

4h-5h- Tour Edge Exotics ex9

6-AW- Cleveland Launcher XL Nippon Zelos 7

56°- Cleveland CBX Zipcore

60°- Lazrus

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On 4/9/2022 at 8:42 AM, Double Dodger said:

A leading golf club designer (can’t remember who unfortunately) is on record as saying the average blade wedge is much less forgiving than the average blade 8 iron. Now if you play blades and strike your 8 iron really well then a Vokey 56 is for you. I’m a low digit HC and I play ZX7s with 60, 54 and 50 CBX2s. I find forgiveness in wedges extremely important even though I am a better than average ball striker. Play what works for you not what works for Justin Thomas. He does practice for hours and hours. L

 

BTW, the wedge manufacturers, Vokey included, have been designing wedges to be more forgiving and sole grinds are only part of that equation. 

Curious to know who said that because its completely false. 

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On 4/8/2022 at 3:12 PM, Markrip said:

I’m really liking my Sub 70 286 wedges. Considering the conditions I’ve played in so far this year they have performed very well. 

Same boat. I just replaced my CBX wedges with Sub 70 286 - 50/54/58. I liked the CBX but trying to open up those wedges seemed a lot harder because of the cavity back.

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If one is looking for a forgiving wedge, I highly recommended Edison wedges.  Terry Kohler has written numerous articles on this site and the man knows what he is talking about.  I have always struggled with lob wedge shots riding up the face and coming up short.  So, after reading about his design principles, I decided to order a lob wedge and give it a try.  I have been pleasantly surprised, and now I have an Edison sand wedge and gap wedge.  All I can say is that these are great performing wedges.

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Hello! 

 

Im a beginner. (hcp 28) Been golfing for a little over a year now. 

 

Im a salesman by trade so i immediately started searching and buying and selling clubs to make a little profit to pay for this "hobby" So i've had 4 sets of irons and even more wedges and almost no lessons. A typical stupid golfer 🙂 

 

So after a set of old Vokeys (52,56,60) to two brand new Clevelands RTX3 (54,58) to a single CBX 56 wedge and my Wilson Staff d7 gapwedge from my set. Its just better when you are not a good ballstriker like me. Its just when i dont hit that sweetspot the ball still flies a reasonable distance and not to far offline. And the spin is much higher then on the rtx 3 wedges but that is just me being terrible. The thing im trying to say is that ive tried a couple of wedges and this CBX makes golf a little easier and most important of all my day on the course a little better.. more fun! 

 

Ive booked some lessons! And told myself no new irons untill im at Hcp 20! Is that reasonable ?

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