Bryson's new PING irons (*** NO LIV REFERENCES/DISCUSSIONS ***)

[kasting333]

1 hour ago, golfkrzy10 said:

That wasn't a "club rep", that is Cobra's head of Tour Operations, he designed everything for and put up with all Bryson's antics, no one disagrees with him.....he stood up for cobra and to Bryson's arrogance.....

[golfkrzy10]

33 minutes ago, kasting333 said:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA 

[GatorNate11]

On 2/24/2023 at 9:44 PM, Bdck said:

I'd argue wasting gapping on 3 chippers is a mistake.

 

I go

48⁰ - 165

54⁰ - 140

60⁰ - 125

 

Anything under 125 is 60⁰ unless I'm playing in heavy wind.  Adding 2 more clubs is just wasted space.

 

My bigger challenge is filling the sub 3 wood tee shots and long par 5 approaches when the swing is feeling good.

 

I play a 2 iron for stingers and a 5 wood that spins 5k+ and is basically a 250-280 wedge that rips back.

 

Those two clubs provide way more utility than complicating my wedge game.

 

What does a 54 accomplish that a flighted 60 doesn't?

Has anyone checked to see if this is a possible return of forum legend JonesScott?? 
 

That article detailing what PING did and how quick was really cool to read

[amace04]

On 2/27/2023 at 7:30 PM, CCUgolfer23 said:

Wow! Very impressive that Ping was able to figure it out and build it in a matter of days. Also very surprising that his irons are so light in the swing weight scale. Figured he’d be in the high D range. 

Is he still using jumbo grips?  Those by themselves affect swing weight considerably without actually changing how the swing weight feels.  Swing weight is a pretty flawed measurement by itself.

[webber]

I find it so odd the 3-5 and 8-PW are heads of one club strong.....the 5 is  4 but the 6 is a 4 iron head and the 7 is a 5 iron head??

[Antmeister]

6 hours ago, amace04 said:

Is he still using jumbo grips?  Those by themselves affect swing weight considerably without actually changing how the swing weight feels.  Swing weight is a pretty flawed measurement by itself.

 

Yes and no

 

https://jumbomax.com/products/jumbomax-jmx-ULTRALITE

 

[karstens_ghost]

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[GriperRiper]

On 3/1/2023 at 1:19 PM, webber said:

I find it so odd the 3-5 and 8-PW are heads of one club strong.....the 5 is  4 but the 6 is a 4 iron head and the 7 is a 5 iron head??

this.....nuts to try and wrap my head around that....im sure it was mostly due to grinding to head weight and knowing how to get it to weight on those heads, but still

[Vlade15]

On 2/27/2023 at 10:05 PM, Drrussell said:

I just read an article on it. They took stock i230's off the rack and customized them. Took 6 hours.

 

Loft requirements are a function of delivery and speed. At his speed levels, to get correct spin and launch conditions, he has to lower the lofts to get correct gapping and trajectory. People with normal swing speeds wouldn't benefit from same changes. 

 

Cobra has sold a cap load of single length irons. But they have that market cornered. Will be interesting to see if ping creates a set for sale to public or if cobra continues making them with Bryson gone. 

Genuinely feel like the "de-lofting" argument with spin is a bunch of junk.

He hits his 9 iron 190 yards - its a 7 iron loft and length.

I hit my 7 iron 190 yards - its the same length and loft as his "9 iron".

So how is his iron any different than mine?

[Shilgy]

On 2/25/2023 at 1:26 PM, hammergolf said:

True, never seen a 5wd back up before unless it was a trick shot.

Not just back up though….it was “rip back”.🤣

[TiScape]

On 2/28/2023 at 4:28 PM, kasting333 said:

Thanks to the horrendous TRUGREEN ad I closed down and reopened the site at least 5x trying to give this post a 😂 reaction… So I decided to just quote you and give you one when it finally went away! 😂😂😂

[FiveByEagle]

On 2/24/2023 at 7:54 PM, Bdck said:

5 wedges?????

 

48/54/60 gang bruh

46 52 60 bruh

[animalgolfs]

4 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

Genuinely feel like the "de-lofting" argument with spin is a bunch of junk.

He hits his 9 iron 190 yards - its a 7 iron loft and length.

I hit my 7 iron 190 yards - its the same length and loft as his "9 iron".

So how is his iron any different than mine?

His says "9" on the bottom

[Binson]

6 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

Genuinely feel like the "de-lofting" argument with spin is a bunch of junk.

He hits his 9 iron 190 yards - its a 7 iron loft and length.

I hit my 7 iron 190 yards - its the same length and loft as his "9 iron".

So how is his iron any different than mine?

The true question is why does it matter what is labeled on the bottom of someone else's club?  

[animalgolfs]

36 minutes ago, Binson said:

The true question is why does it matter what is labeled on the bottom of someone else's club?  

I feel better already

[Airjenks]

7 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

Genuinely feel like the "de-lofting" argument with spin is a bunch of junk.

He hits his 9 iron 190 yards - its a 7 iron loft and length.

I hit my 7 iron 190 yards - its the same length and loft as his "9 iron".

So how is his iron any different than mine?

Bryson based the club number based off the amount of spin it generates. So a 6 iron is 6,000 spin, 7 iron is 7,000 spin, etc. 

 

he doesn’t care about how other people base their ‘numbers’ or else he wouldn’t use single length clubs. 
 

I don’t think you (or anyone) should base their irons off the distance it goes when comparing irons or people… for example hitting a 7 iron mizuno hot metal goes 185, a Srixon zx7 7-iron goes 168 for me. They’re completely different clubs IMO (grooves, weight placement, loft, etc.). 
 

distance is obviously a good metric looking at your own irons and gapping… 

[GriperRiper]

23 minutes ago, Airjenks said:

Bryson based the club number based off the amount of spin it generates. So a 6 iron is 6,000 spin, 7 iron is 7,000 spin, etc. 

 

he doesn’t care about how other people base their ‘numbers’ or else he wouldn’t use single length clubs. 
 

I don’t think you (or anyone) should base their irons off the distance it goes when comparing irons or people… for example hitting a 7 iron mizuno hot metal goes 185, a Srixon zx7 7-iron goes 168 for me. They’re completely different clubs IMO (grooves, weight placement, loft, etc.). 
 

distance is obviously a good metric looking at your own irons and gapping… 

this......its almost as if golf was a individual sport, and i cant for life of me figure out why anyone else cares so much about someone else's bag/clubs so much when if they played heads up, said person would DESTROY them....the guy is a professional golfer and making millions of dollars and some want to question his decision in making those millions of dollars....golf is the only sport i know of where people will question things that bryson does single plane/OL/etc. and say how it doesnt work, then attempt to "fix" there own issues by spending thousands of dollars on clubs/gear/etc.....I play OL and the amount of times i have had fitters tell me i dont know what im doing/ it doesnt work/ why would you want to do that/ thats not what the cool kids do is endless, meanwhile we go over to the monitors and they see my numbers and say "everything looks great", and will STILL say the same things they said before.....its nuts.....some of us approach the game different and dont care about "standards" or "norms", and the trade off is playing a simplified game that doesnt require 40 hours a week to practice and improve on.....sorry, end rant

[karstens_ghost]

On 3/4/2023 at 1:04 PM, GriperRiper said:

this......its almost as if golf was a individual sport, and i cant for life of me figure out why anyone else cares so much about someone else's bag/clubs so much when if they played heads up, said person would DESTROY them....the guy is a professional golfer and making millions of dollars and some want to question his decision in making those millions of dollars....golf is the only sport i know of where people will question things that bryson does single plane/OL/etc. and say how it doesnt work, then attempt to "fix" there own issues by spending thousands of dollars on clubs/gear/etc.....I play OL and the amount of times i have had fitters tell me i dont know what im doing/ it doesnt work/ why would you want to do that/ thats not what the cool kids do is endless, meanwhile we go over to the monitors and they see my numbers and say "everything looks great", and will STILL say the same things they said before.....its nuts.....some of us approach the game different and dont care about "standards" or "norms", and the trade off is playing a simplified game that doesnt require 40 hours a week to practice and improve on.....sorry, end rant

 

Rant is a fair point, but also to be fair, his influence has clearly trickled down into the consumer market. His approach is talked about like he's a "mad scientist", but it often would send a golfer down the wrong path. He is an influencer, like it or not. So when he starts calling out that players should be doing what he's doing, there is an effect on players not far enough along in their individual journey that they will emulate him.

 

In fact, that's marketing.

 

It is amazing the amount of time people waste on telling him he's wrong. But he's also making, or was making, a lot on endorsement deals.

[GFarrell]

On 3/4/2023 at 11:04 AM, GriperRiper said:

this......its almost as if golf was a individual sport, and i cant for life of me figure out why anyone else cares so much about someone else's bag/clubs so much when if they played heads up, said person would DESTROY them....the guy is a professional golfer and making millions of dollars and some want to question his decision in making those millions of dollars....golf is the only sport i know of where people will question things that bryson does single plane/OL/etc. and say how it doesnt work, then attempt to "fix" there own issues by spending thousands of dollars on clubs/gear/etc.....I play OL and the amount of times i have had fitters tell me i dont know what im doing/ it doesnt work/ why would you want to do that/ thats not what the cool kids do is endless, meanwhile we go over to the monitors and they see my numbers and say "everything looks great", and will STILL say the same things they said before.....its nuts.....some of us approach the game different and dont care about "standards" or "norms", and the trade off is playing a simplified game that doesnt require 40 hours a week to practice and improve on.....sorry, end rant

It's funny that the ONLY variables in golf to some people, is distance v loft.

Well - I can probably guarantee that Bryson can hit a 16 degree '4' iron higher with a steeper descent angle than most people with a 46 degree pitching wedge AS WELL as hitting it further than most scratch golfer's driver distance.

 

if I can relate this to my own bag. I went from a set with a 31 degree 7 iron, to a set with a 34 degree 7 iron and didnt lose any distance. Why? because i hit the ball low, i was able to improve my carry distances via additional peak height whilst improving club head speed via the correct shaft for my swing, and i didn't gain too much spin. there is no point playing an 18 degree 4 iron if you can barely hit it off the ground to make it a usable club, and in Bryson's case - its the opposite.

The number on the bottom of the club is so trivial. The distance between Bryson's driver and lob wedge is 200+ yards, so gaps need to be spaced appropriately.

Can we end the ridiculously ignorant debate on loft-jacking? 

[boggyman]

43 minutes ago, GFarrell said:

It's funny that the ONLY variables in golf to some people, is distance v loft.

Well - I can probably guarantee that Bryson can hit a 16 degree '4' iron higher with a steeper descent angle than most people with a 46 degree pitching wedge AS WELL as hitting it further than most scratch golfer's driver distance.

 

if I can relate this to my own bag. I went from a set with a 31 degree 7 iron, to a set with a 34 degree 7 iron and didnt lose any distance. Why? because i hit the ball low, i was able to improve my carry distances via additional peak height whilst improving club head speed via the correct shaft for my swing, and i didn't gain too much spin. there is no point playing an 18 degree 4 iron if you can barely hit it off the ground to make it a usable club, and in Bryson's case - its the opposite.

The number on the bottom of the club is so trivial. The distance between Bryson's driver and lob wedge is 200+ yards, so gaps need to be spaced appropriately.

Can we end the ridiculously ignorant debate on loft-jacking? 

As for your last question, sorry, it’ll never end I don’t think! 🤦‍♂️

[GriperRiper]

2 hours ago, karstens_ghost said:

 

Rant is a fair point, but also to be fair, his influence has clearly trickled down into the consumer market. His approach is talked about like he's a "mad scientist", but it often would send a golfer down the wrong path. He is an influencer, like it or not. So when he starts calling out that players should be doing what he's doing, there is an effect on players not far enough along in their individual journey that they will emulate him.

 

In fact, that's marketing.

 

It is amazing the amount of time people waste on telling him he's wrong. But he's also making, or was making, a lot on endorsement deals.

agree 100%....feel like WE ALL except certain "fix all" tips, it may be a grip thing, swing thing, club thing, etc. and want to throw away things that we dont agree with or have tried and didnt work for us, if there was a "best" way to do it, you would see the exact same swing with every pro/high level golfer and they would all shoot the same score....i dont care what anyone does inside the rules to be the best they can be, and i feel that way in any sport as well as life.

[ALIF]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:42 AM, Vlade15 said:

Genuinely feel like the "de-lofting" argument with spin is a bunch of junk.

He hits his 9 iron 190 yards - its a 7 iron loft and length.

I hit my 7 iron 190 yards - its the same length and loft as his "9 iron".

So how is his iron any different than mine?

His irons are different in that they are probably moving 20 mph faster than yours! Lol.

[bladehunter]

On 3/3/2023 at 5:00 PM, Binson said:

The true question is why does it matter what is labeled on the bottom of someone else's club?  

Exactly. Why does it matter ?  It obviously does or Bryson would just have 9 iron on all of them.    It matters to both sides of this argument.  You can’t just ask it from one perspective without flipping it around.  
 

 

 

the deal is , if you gave him a 47 degree pw from say a ap2 set that’s an inch over standard with his shaft  , will he hit it 180 yards ?  I doubt it.  So ? It then becomes a loft for loft comparison.  It either is a loft for loft comparison , or no comparison can be made.  And if no comparison can be made then we shouldn’t say “ he’s hitting his 9 iron “.  We should say “ he’s hitting his 37 degree iron “.  

[bladehunter]

12 hours ago, GFarrell said:

It's funny that the ONLY variables in golf to some people, is distance v loft.

Well - I can probably guarantee that Bryson can hit a 16 degree '4' iron higher with a steeper descent angle than most people with a 46 degree pitching wedge AS WELL as hitting it further than most scratch golfer's driver distance.

 

if I can relate this to my own bag. I went from a set with a 31 degree 7 iron, to a set with a 34 degree 7 iron and didnt lose any distance. Why? because i hit the ball low, i was able to improve my carry distances via additional peak height whilst improving club head speed via the correct shaft for my swing, and i didn't gain too much spin. there is no point playing an 18 degree 4 iron if you can barely hit it off the ground to make it a usable club, and in Bryson's case - its the opposite.

The number on the bottom of the club is so trivial. The distance between Bryson's driver and lob wedge is 200+ yards, so gaps need to be spaced appropriately.

Can we end the ridiculously ignorant debate on loft-jacking? 

But to your point. If  he hits it high he’s opposite of you.  Decreasing loft will mean he hits it farther.  Yes ? Increasing loft would mean shorter.  Not longer. Your example only works because you hit it too low.  

[IndyArcher]

1 minute ago, bladehunter said:

Exactly. Why does it matter ?  It obviously does or Bryson would just have 9 iron on all of them.    

Now we can surely agree that this makes no sense. They are one length irons. Stamping the same number on all of them would be ridiculous as he would need a protractor to figure out the loft during play. Something needs to distinguish between clubs, so he uses a traditional numbering schematic even if it doesn’t align with what is in our bags. 

[Vlade15]

11 hours ago, ALIF said:

His irons are different in that they are probably moving 20 mph faster than yours! Lol.

Then why is the same loft/length iron going pretty much the same distance?

[Vlade15]

On 3/3/2023 at 4:00 PM, Binson said:

The true question is why does it matter what is labeled on the bottom of someone else's club?  

It doesn't matter until you see disingenuous posts on Instagram and all that with him and others talking about how far they are hitting their clubs.  "I hit my 4 iron 280" - okay, great.  Your "4 iron" has 16 degrees of loft.

Then they make the argument that its "spin" related.   

[GFarrell]

7 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

But to your point. If  he hits it high he’s opposite of you.  Decreasing loft will mean he hits it farther.  Yes ? Increasing loft would mean shorter.  Not longer. Your example only works because you hit it too low.  

 

I did lead the sentence with If i can relate this to my own bag. Maybe it would have been more appropriate to say Loft doesn't always equal distance.

 

I wouldnt say i hit the ball extremely low either. my point was I wouldn't be the first hacker to increase distance from increasing loft, independent of peak height, anyone who doesn't generate enough spin would be an ideal candidate, especially in the long irons.

 

He swings his clubs about 20mph faster than me, i don't think we're in the same spin and speed windows to really compare directly.

I would love to see the spin numbers off his 4 iron, versus 'ideal' 4 iron spin for most players. I would imagine they're close.
 

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, IndyArcher said:

Now we can surely agree that this makes no sense. They are one length irons. Stamping the same number on all of them would be ridiculous as he would need a protractor to figure out the loft during play. Something needs to distinguish between clubs, so he uses a traditional numbering schematic even if it doesn’t align with what is in our bags. 

Lol. Of course that was sarcasm.  Loft stamps make the most sense.  Or club numbers also work.  But they do not work for comparisons to traditionally lofted clubs.  It would be like having a 9 degree “ 3 wood “ and crowing about how far you hit it off a tee.  The eye rolls would be epic.  

[animalgolfs]

3 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Lol. Of course that was sarcasm.  Loft stamps make the most sense.  Or club numbers also work.  But they do not work for comparisons to traditionally lofted clubs.  It would be like having a 9 degree “ 3 wood “ and crowing about how far you hit it off a tee.  The eye rolls would be epic.  

^^This is sorta my point- We are at 28* OEM 8 irons now - at some point things are going to change.