No outside beverages permitted.

[Thrillhouse]

[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1366908974' post='6916127']
[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1366908670' post='6916099']
[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366907955' post='6916009']
Well, as I said earlier, there would be no receipts. Any self-respecting judge would throw the case out right then and there. Unless the defendant could somehow drum up credible witnesses to corroborate the story of all this free booze the club was shoving down his throat.

Revenue driven, indeed. And I really don't have a problem with that.
[/quote]

I wouldn't call a judge "self respecting" if he let a drunk driver who killed someone upon leaving the golf course off simply because "there were no receipts."

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. That it's ok to drive drunk? It isn't.
[/quote]
Thrill...I think it's two different cases, I don't think Simmons is saying the guys shouldn't be in jail, that's a no brainer and would have been a seperate case. The case against the course would be an entirely different trial and case.
[/quote]

Yeah I guess I'd just like him to clarify what his point is because it's lost on me.

[Mr. Simmons]

Clarified above.

Doesn't matter who was responsible for the delivery of the alcohol in a DUI case. If you're driving drunk, you're driving drunk.

[jmck]

[quote name='Carolina Golfer 2' timestamp='1366907548' post='6915971']
[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366907142' post='6915937']
And I still want to know how it could be proven.
[/quote]
I'm with you, I suppose the only way if it were to actually get to a court, is by supeonaing any witnesses, such as coworkers of the club or other customers that may have witnessed him continue to get drinks or get a large quantity.

But iI still believe in most instances this is a revenue decision, not a legal issue.
[/quote]

It really depends on the state--alcohol laws very widely from state to state. Here in VA, if a course permits outside booze and someone gets in trouble on the way home the course looses the right to sell booze. Hence the "no outside beverages" policy at every course in VA. It's really not even up to the courses, it's more or less the requirements of VA law. I'm sure the revenue is nice for the courses, but--at least in VA--it's entirely a legal issue.

[Thrillhouse]

[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366909174' post='6916153']
[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1366908670' post='6916099']
[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366907955' post='6916009']
Well, as I said earlier, there would be no receipts. Any self-respecting judge would throw the case out right then and there. Unless the defendant could somehow drum up credible witnesses to corroborate the story of all this free booze the club was shoving down his throat.

Revenue driven, indeed. And I really don't have a problem with that.
[/quote]

I wouldn't call a judge "self respecting" if he let a drunk driver who killed someone upon leaving the golf course off simply because "there were no receipts."

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. That it's ok to drive drunk? It isn't.
[/quote]

What Carolina Golfer said.

The driver would be charged with DUI regardless.

It would be the civil suit taken against the golf course by the drunken driver that would have to be thrown out.
[/quote]

I see, that makes sense.

What about a civil case taken up against the course by the victim of the DUI accidents family though? Should the course not be held responsible if they over served someone at a facility where people only get to by car?

[Mr. Simmons]

In Missouri the courses that sell booze do not allow you to bring your own. And those that do allow you to do not sell booze.

Seems pretty logical, IMO.

[Mr. Simmons]

[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1366909385' post='6916181']
[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366909174' post='6916153']
[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1366908670' post='6916099']
[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366907955' post='6916009']
Well, as I said earlier, there would be no receipts. Any self-respecting judge would throw the case out right then and there. Unless the defendant could somehow drum up credible witnesses to corroborate the story of all this free booze the club was shoving down his throat.

Revenue driven, indeed. And I really don't have a problem with that.
[/quote]

I wouldn't call a judge "self respecting" if he let a drunk driver who killed someone upon leaving the golf course off simply because "there were no receipts."

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. That it's ok to drive drunk? It isn't.
[/quote]

What Carolina Golfer said.

The driver would be charged with DUI regardless.

It would be the civil suit taken against the golf course by the drunken driver that would have to be thrown out.
[/quote]

I see, that makes sense.

What about a civil case taken up against the course by the victim of the DUI accidents family though? Should the course not be held responsible if they over served someone at a facility where people only get to by car?
[/quote]

Well, it seems like we're now stretching the boundaries of the scenario.

The quick answer would be yes. The course would indeed be liable if it were proven they did over-serve.

I thought the original scenario was that someone snuck their own booze in, got drunk, got behind the wheel, etc...

That was what I was responding to.

[Thrillhouse]

Well, I'd agree that any case where any drunk driver tried to blame anyone else for their decision to drive drunk should be thrown out.

But the thing about this scenario is that the potential consequences relate to it, and those consequences could stem from a facility that either chooses to over serve or allows people to drink to excess. If they don't regulate peoples consumption while at their facility and something bad happens because of it they should be held responsible, hence it's reasonable to restrict whether alcohol is brought in from outside or how much is allowed to be purchased there.

[roll - gybe]

[quote name='Sawgrass' timestamp='1366899338' post='6914965']
[quote name='roll - gybe' timestamp='1366896791' post='6914577']
I would challenge anyone to show evidence of a confrontation over water.
[/quote]

I believe your statement itself is evidence of a confrontation over water.
[/quote]

begging the question fallacy^

[HitEmTrue]

[quote name='roll - gybe' timestamp='1366910879' post='6916331']
[quote name='Sawgrass' timestamp='1366899338' post='6914965']
[quote name='roll - gybe' timestamp='1366896791' post='6914577']
I would challenge anyone to show evidence of a confrontation over water.
[/quote]

I believe your statement itself is evidence of a confrontation over water.
[/quote]

begging the question fallacy^
[/quote]

Perhaps you will say that "testimony" and "evidence" are two different things, but see posts #37 and #39.

[Mr. Simmons]

[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1366909923' post='6916251']
Well, I'd agree that any case where any drunk driver tried to blame anyone else for their decision to drive drunk should be thrown out.

But the thing about this scenario is that the potential consequences relate to it, and those consequences could stem from a facility that either chooses to over serve or allows people to drink to excess. If they don't regulate peoples consumption while at their facility and something bad happens because of it they should be held responsible, hence it's reasonable to restrict whether alcohol is brought in from outside or how much is allowed to be purchased there.
[/quote]

Right. I have no problem agreeing with that.

[Sawgrass]

[quote name='roll - gybe' timestamp='1366910879' post='6916331']
[quote name='Sawgrass' timestamp='1366899338' post='6914965']
[quote name='roll - gybe' timestamp='1366896791' post='6914577']
I would challenge anyone to show evidence of a confrontation over water.
[/quote]

I believe your statement itself is evidence of a confrontation over water.
[/quote]

begging the question fallacy^
[/quote]

Sense of humor absence? Or participation?

[RJRJRJ]

[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366909595' post='6916223']
[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1366909385' post='6916181']
[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366909174' post='6916153']
[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1366908670' post='6916099']


I wouldn't call a judge "self respecting" if he let a drunk driver who killed someone upon leaving the golf course off simply because "there were no receipts."

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make. That it's ok to drive drunk? It isn't.
[/quote]

What Carolina Golfer said.

The driver would be charged with DUI regardless.

It would be the civil suit taken against the golf course by the drunken driver that would have to be thrown out.
[/quote]

I see, that makes sense.

What about a civil case taken up against the course by the victim of the DUI accidents family though? Should the course not be held responsible if they over served someone at a facility where people only get to by car?
[/quote]

Well, it seems like we're now stretching the boundaries of the scenario.

The quick answer would be yes. The course would indeed be liable if it were proven they did over-serve.

I thought the original scenario was that someone snuck their own booze in, got drunk, got behind the wheel, etc...

That was what I was responding to.
[/quote]

I doubt a course could be held criminally liable for a smuggler's negligence. Theres certainly a very good chance that they'll lose their liquor license though.

[dlygrisse]

[quote name='Mr. Simmons' timestamp='1366909446' post='6916197']
In Missouri the courses that sell booze do not allow you to bring your own. And those that do allow you to do not sell booze.

Seems pretty logical, IMO.
[/quote]Just like the strip clubs in Missouri.

[Phomatrix112]

I'll bring my own water and snacks. Pbj, mixed nuts, banana and maybe a granola bar. I try to stay away from anything heavy and avoid buying food from the cart or restaurant if I can. After years of playing, if I eat anything heavy before or during play, my energy will go out the door fast. Same goes to soda and sports drink, avoid at all costs and drink water.

[1983Golfer]

Avoid buying food and snacks from restaurant? I understand not getting a cheesesteak at the turn but you can't buy a granola bar? If they only have candy bars fair enough but if they have fruit and good granola bars that's a problem?

[puttingmatt]

Come on guys, this is why the golf bag has pockets !!

[Carolina Golfer 2]

[quote name='puttingmatt' timestamp='1367246585' post='6936923']
Come on guys, this is why the golf bag has pockets !!
[/quote]
Ha Ha. And some of them are insulated!!

[evanm]

I played frisbee golf recently for the first time, definitely no rules on drinking there. I say if you're worried about bringing your own beer, go with frisbee golf, haha. I felt out of place without a case of beer in the non-throwing hand.

Courses are referring to alcohol because as already stated, they want to make money, liability, and it's likely illegal everywhere to bring your own beer to an establishment that has a liquor license other than unopened wine bottles to restaurants.

[wetdogsmell]

[quote name='evanm' timestamp='1367292579' post='6941851']
I played frisbee golf recently for the first time, definitely no rules on drinking there. I say if you're worried about bringing your own beer, go with frisbee golf, haha. I felt out of place without a case of beer in the non-throwing hand.

Courses are referring to alcohol because as already stated, they want to make money, liability, and it's likely illegal everywhere to bring your own beer to an establishment that has a liquor license other than unopened wine bottles to restaurants.
[/quote]

I used to play disc golf like a maniac. Leagues/tournaments/president of the local club etc... The composition of the local crew slowly transitioned from being your stereotypical pot heads to an increasingly number of meth heads.... Now all my time is spent on 'ball golf' I'm WAY better at disc golf though!

[Mullyman]

Recently on a hot and humid day they would allow me to bring my bottled water but refused the small cooler I had with me...note no cart person on the course.

 

[dokex]

In Baltimore city there is a ghetto course called Clifton Park. At the twelfth tee the regulars cross a busy road to buy booze at a bodega, and then sneak back to the course. The marshals try to police them, without much success.

[Pepperturbo]

I always bring a healthy lunch which is kept in my bag (not a cooler) and an insulated water container. Though I don't fault any club for profits, the food and drinks they chose to provide at snack bars are always overpriced and foster big bellies, bloating and bad shots.

 

There are times when I wish snack shops provided quality food options, so I have told many GM's they are losing a lot of money (I play 2-3 times a week and often pay for two) and we won't buy or drink what they sell.

 

Nonetheless, if I am playing a $$$ game and see my opponent hitting the snack bar for a big ole yummy hot dog or huge sandwich and chips, etc., I raise the bet as I see bogie, double or triple just around the corner. lol

 

As for the OP's question, that signage exists because too many people will abuse the privilege by bringing a cooler filled with beer.

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

My home course doesn't provide water on the course but they sell it for $0.50/16 oz bottle. Therefore I have no problem buying several bottles from them. I really prefer that over water that comes from skeevy coolers on the course.

[kekoa]

> @Thrillhouse said:

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> The $6 beer isn't only designed to be a money maker, it's also set at that price to try and ensure that people don't over consume.

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> It doesn't always work but it's an attempt.

 

It definitely worked on me. I was at Pelican a few months ago and they wanted something like $54 for a 6 pack. Needless to say it made me think twice whether I was going to have beers that day.

[2bGood]

i would be shocked if a course took away tour water. Mostly this is about booze for both legal and financial reasons.

[LeoLeo99]

I fill up my hydroflasks the night before I'm going to play. Those little sippy cups on the course aren't going to cut the mustard.

[chippa13]

Rule of thumb: if you're going to smuggle some adult beverages, always make sure to start with a clubhouse beer and buy a charity from the cart should it come around.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @chippa13 said:

> Rule of thumb: if you're going to smuggle some adult beverages, always make sure to start with a clubhouse beer and buy a charity from the cart should it come around.

 

Spoken like a pro :)

[larrybud]

> @Thrillhouse said:

 

> The $6 beer isn't only designed to be a money maker, it's also set at that price to try and ensure that people don't over consume.

> It doesn't always work but it's an attempt.

Can't say I've ever seen a drunk pass up a beer because it was a couple of bucks more.

 

I've always brought water and gatorade. Nobody ever questioned it, and if they did I would say "ok" and never play there again.

 

 

[Shipwreck]

There would be heII to pay if a course ever denied me bringing my own water bottle or Gatorade in.