Callaway X Forged Custom Order lengths all over the place! (RESOLVED)

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  • SubaruWRXSubaruWRX Members Posts: 3,305 ✭✭
    You’re forgetting swingweight. I bet OEM’s will give you close to the length that’s ordered, but swingweight will be whatever it is once assembled.



    Why don’t they just let buyers know they do not accept custom swingweight orders?
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭
    SubaruWRX wrote:


    You're forgetting swingweight. I bet OEM's will give you close to the length that's ordered, but swingweight will be whatever it is once assembled.



    Why don't they just let buyers know they do not accept custom swingweight orders?




    The last time I ordered a Callaway club (been a few years now) there was no option for custom swingweight. Do they offer that now?



    Back then I even called and asked and they basically said, "It will be whatever it comes out to when the club is assembled". Which is what actually does happen.
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  • chisagchisag Members Posts: 2,968 ✭✭
    ... Those of us that do our own work and own a good loft/lie machine know measurements change every time you seat a club in the machine. This is not an exact science although you can be diligent and get specs very, very close to perfect. The problem is you seat the iron in a machine that is not "even" or exact with placement. I usually bend a set of irons, then go back and check and adjust a 2nd time and usually make a few adjustments. This is VERY time consuming and if every OEM's did this, golfers would all be in the P790 boat of complaining about back orders. Expecting OEM's to be more exact than 1/8th of a degree is just ignorant of the process. I know because I used to be ignorant before I bought my first loft lie machine.
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  • DTown3011DTown3011 #DTown3011 ClubWRX Posts: 3,598 ClubWRX
    SubaruWRX wrote:


    You're forgetting swingweight. I bet OEM's will give you close to the length that's ordered, but swingweight will be whatever it is once assembled.



    Why don't they just let buyers know they do not accept custom swingweight orders?




    In my experience it's very rare for most OEMs to hit specific swingweight targets. Companies like Mizuno carry A weight and B weight heads so they can accommodate standard and longer length builds - I'm not sure what other OEMs have varying weight heads for retail. That said, NOTHING is going to replace a fully blueprinted, torn apart, and rebuilt set of custom clubs. This is where clubmakers and the Club Champions/True Specs of the world are still very very relevant for those that want everything spot on.


    mrfols wrote:


    i hate that you're right on this. Length, Loft , and Lie should be easy. I'll give some leeway on SW. Last set was fit at Club Champion. Great clubs, elbow injury dictated a softer shaft and I have a good idea of what I need now. Didn't want wait to get in to Club Champ.




    I agree, length loft and lie should be easy.
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭
    DTown3011 wrote:

    SubaruWRX wrote:


    You're forgetting swingweight. I bet OEM's will give you close to the length that's ordered, but swingweight will be whatever it is once assembled.



    Why don't they just let buyers know they do not accept custom swingweight orders?




    In my experience it's very rare for most OEMs to hit specific swingweight targets. Companies like Mizuno carry A weight and B weight heads so they can accommodate standard and longer length builds - I'm not sure what other OEMs have varying weight heads for retail. That said, NOTHING is going to replace a fully blueprinted, torn apart, and rebuilt set of custom clubs. This is where clubmakers and the Club Champions/True Specs of the world are still very very relevant for those that want everything spot on.


    mrfols wrote:


    i hate that you're right on this. Length, Loft , and Lie should be easy. I'll give some leeway on SW. Last set was fit at Club Champion. Great clubs, elbow injury dictated a softer shaft and I have a good idea of what I need now. Didn't want wait to get in to Club Champ.




    I agree, length loft and lie should be easy.




    Plus or minus 1/8" or so from nominal length, plus or minus a degree from nominal loft and lie are achievable on a production basis with good fixtures. The 9-iron in the set Callaway sent him was further off than that, sloppy work, bad QC.
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  • chisagchisag Members Posts: 2,968 ✭✭
    "I agree, length loft and lie should be easy."



    ... Seriously, if it were easy OEM's would be getting it right. They would rather make customers happy and keep them for life than pi$$ them off. We can blame Corporate America that values profit over quality. Sure, they could hire more qualified workers and take much more time to get it right but that would certainly cut into profits. They would much rather pump out clubs and deal with the few that complain, than spend the money to do it right the first time. Just the way it is.
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  • puttingmattputtingmatt puttingmatt Summer/ Michigan-- Winter/ FloridaMembers Posts: 5,134 ✭✭
    Seen these topics before, the only advice i can give is what I do when purchasing

    New clubs. I generally will order for me standard length, lie, and ask for a D2 to D4

    Swing weight. Usually the OEM's are good with that. I then go play and after a dozen rounds

    Of paying attention to ballflight and distances, I contact a club fitter I trust and go get adjustments

    That I feel will enhance my ball striking, like a dynamic fit, if I feel a certain club is pushing or pulling.

    Keep in mind, the fitter is at the range so I can immediately test the adjustment for lie , loft or both.

    I feel this is the best way be fit after I have purchased new irons. To me, you go get fit, shaft,flex and style of

    Club first, then after you receive them, make adjustments as needed. I have never been lucky enough to just

    Order from any OEM, and not have to fine tune my clubs,


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  • DTown3011DTown3011 #DTown3011 ClubWRX Posts: 3,598 ClubWRX
    I’ve gone the route of ordering my clubs uncut, ungripped and finishing them myself and from a company that offers A and B weight heads for light and heavy.
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  • mrfolsmrfols mrfols Members Posts: 126 ✭✭
    DTown3011 wrote:


    I’ve gone the route of ordering my clubs uncut, ungripped and finishing them myself and from a company that offers A and B weight heads for light and heavy.
    Thats the way I’d go next time if I was ordering from an OEM. Most likely I’d go back to Club Champion or another reputable fitter and do it right next time. If this is what you get when ordering, I’d rather buy off the rack and tweak from there.
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭
    But if you buy off the rack and want “plus 1/2” that would mean shaft extensions. No thanks.
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    1pt bitter beer
    every 6 hours.
    1 ten-mile walk every morning.
    1 bed at 11 sharp every night.
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  • puttingmattputtingmatt puttingmatt Summer/ Michigan-- Winter/ FloridaMembers Posts: 5,134 ✭✭
    I can say that I have had a good run, for ordering custom. But I still expect to make minor adjustments, after all, your custom order is only as good as the person who fills the order. And they do not pay these people very well on the assembly line.


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  • EricgmciEricgmci Members Posts: 263 ✭✭
    My new callaways were supposed to be 2 flat, they’re all around 3. Measured by two good fitters with digital machines. Without telling either anything they both told me that they were 3 flat. You wouldn’t think that would be hard to screw up unless the gauge is off. However two different sites and they both agree. I would definitely recommend Club Champion, you get what you pay for. That’s as close to a tour fitting and specs as any of us regular joes will be able to find!!
  • AreJohnAreJohn Members Posts: 67 ✭✭
    edited May 23, 2018 #44
    I've had my own run ins with Callaway QC. Last year I bought an Epic that someone had scratched in the factory after they had heat sealed the head in plastic, leaving a big tear in the plastic to make it completely obvious. They put a bag over the head after that and then bubble wrapped it, so hands and eyes were on the clubhead after they scratched it and they still sent it to me.



    2 weeks ago I ordered a Rogue Subzero, stock HZRDUS shaft but a custom grip so it went through custom orders. When I get it, I go to put the heavy weight forward like I was fit for, and they've put a 5 and a 2 gram weight in instead of 14 and 2 gram. I called customer service and they told me they put those in to get the swing weight right and offered to send me the 14 gram but I'm just having a hard time believing they actually put that much effort in with what I've heard about and experienced from them before. The closest scale I can use to check the swing weight is a 2 hour round trip and I could probably use the heavier weight in the forward slot, so I'm going to have to pay to get this counterbalanced if it is by some miracle close to the proper swing weight with the 5 gram.



    To be completely honest I'm hitting this club better than I've ever hit any driver, I just hate paying full retail and not getting exactly what I ordered. I hope you get sorted and compensated better than I have for your troubles.
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  • mrfolsmrfols mrfols Members Posts: 126 ✭✭
    Final resolution, after they offered to replace the 8, 9, and P, I declined and would only accept a completely new set built as ordered. I received them this week and have played two rounds and one range session with them. All of the Irons come in pretty close to right on length wise. The lie may be slightly flat (Haven’t been able to check them yet). Swing weight seems right but again not measured. At the end of the day, these irons with the Modus 120 X are the softest feeling irons I can remember playing in a long time. I’m happy with my purchase, but if I had to do it over again I’d do a proper fitting and build. For a little more money, I could have eliminated a lot of aggravation.
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  • Duffer222Duffer222 Members Posts: 379 ✭✭
    It’s so freakin’ easy to build your own, I don’t understand why anyone would go through the aggravation of buying a built set. Most of those slapping the components together don’t have a clue,
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  • mrfolsmrfols mrfols Members Posts: 126 ✭✭
    Duffer222 wrote:


    It’s so freakin’ easy to build your own, I don’t understand why anyone would go through the aggravation of buying a built set. Most of those slapping the components together don’t have a clue,


    Time has been my reason for not building my own set. But after this experience, I will either go through a fitter that builds/bueprints them or build them myself. For the money these costs, everything should be right.

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    50* Callaway MD4 Matte Black S Grind Modus 3 Tour 120X
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭
    Duffer222 wrote:


    It’s so freakin’ easy to build your own, I don’t understand why anyone would go through the aggravation of buying a built set. Most of those slapping the components together don’t have a clue,




    If you want every iron in a set plus or minus 1/8” in length, plus or minus a fraction of a degree in loft and lie and you want to hit an exact swingweight number on each club...easy is not the word for it. That takes specialized measuring equipment, experience and gobs of time.
    “1lb beefstak, with
    1pt bitter beer
    every 6 hours.
    1 ten-mile walk every morning.
    1 bed at 11 sharp every night.
    And don't stuff your head with things you don't understand.” 
  • NeverfazeNeverfaze Members Posts: 871 ✭✭
    AreJohn wrote:


    I've had my own run ins with Callaway QC. Last year I bought an Epic that someone had scratched in the factory after they had heat sealed the head in plastic, leaving a big tear in the plastic to make it completely obvious. They put a bag over the head after that and then bubble wrapped it, so hands and eyes were on the clubhead after they scratched it and they still sent it to me.



    2 weeks ago I ordered a Rogue Subzero, stock HZRDUS shaft but a custom grip so it went through custom orders. When I get it, I go to put the heavy weight forward like I was fit for, and they've put a 5 and a 2 gram weight in instead of 14 and 2 gram. I called customer service and they told me they put those in to get the swing weight right and offered to send me the 14 gram but I'm just having a hard time believing they actually put that much effort in with what I've heard about and experienced from them before. The closest scale I can use to check the swing weight is a 2 hour round trip and I could probably use the heavier weight in the forward slot, so I'm going to have to pay to get this counterbalanced if it is by some miracle close to the proper swing weight with the 5 gram.



    To be completely honest I'm hitting this club better than I've ever hit any driver, I just hate paying full retail and not getting exactly what I ordered. I hope you get sorted and compensated better than I have for your troubles.




    They did the same thing to me with the weights, gave me a 5 and 2. I emailed CS and they told me if i wanted a 14-gram weight, that I would have to purchase it. Assuming it's because we ordered 70gram shafts, but like you, my club-builder is too far away to just go and check a swing-weight.
  • AreJohnAreJohn Members Posts: 67 ✭✭
    Neverfaze wrote:

    AreJohn wrote:


    I've had my own run ins with Callaway QC. Last year I bought an Epic that someone had scratched in the factory after they had heat sealed the head in plastic, leaving a big tear in the plastic to make it completely obvious. They put a bag over the head after that and then bubble wrapped it, so hands and eyes were on the clubhead after they scratched it and they still sent it to me.



    2 weeks ago I ordered a Rogue Subzero, stock HZRDUS shaft but a custom grip so it went through custom orders. When I get it, I go to put the heavy weight forward like I was fit for, and they've put a 5 and a 2 gram weight in instead of 14 and 2 gram. I called customer service and they told me they put those in to get the swing weight right and offered to send me the 14 gram but I'm just having a hard time believing they actually put that much effort in with what I've heard about and experienced from them before. The closest scale I can use to check the swing weight is a 2 hour round trip and I could probably use the heavier weight in the forward slot, so I'm going to have to pay to get this counterbalanced if it is by some miracle close to the proper swing weight with the 5 gram.



    To be completely honest I'm hitting this club better than I've ever hit any driver, I just hate paying full retail and not getting exactly what I ordered. I hope you get sorted and compensated better than I have for your troubles.




    They did the same thing to me with the weights, gave me a 5 and 2. I emailed CS and they told me if i wanted a 14-gram weight, that I would have to purchase it. Assuming it's because we ordered 70gram shafts, but like you, my club-builder is too far away to just go and check a swing-weight.




    I'm sorry to hear they did that but glad it wasn't just me. I was so mad when I called them I guess they just gave me the weight to get me off the phone. Mine honestly feels like it's right in the D0-D2 range but if I get a chance to get to my local shop I'll post what the weight is. Seems like they would have some information about this out there so fitters could get the right weights in for testing huh? I think I might just put the 14 gram in and play this sucker super heavy if it's as good on the course as it was in the fitting bay.
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  • AreJohnAreJohn Members Posts: 67 ✭✭


    They did the same thing to me with the weights, gave me a 5 and 2. I emailed CS and they told me if i wanted a 14-gram weight, that I would have to purchase it. Assuming it's because we ordered 70gram shafts, but like you, my club-builder is too far away to just go and check a swing-weight.




    Had it checked today, D2.
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  • Duffer222Duffer222 Members Posts: 379 ✭✭

    Duffer222 wrote:


    It’s so freakin’ easy to build your own, I don’t understand why anyone would go through the aggravation of buying a built set. Most of those slapping the components together don’t have a clue,




    If you want every iron in a set plus or minus 1/8” in length, plus or minus a fraction of a degree in loft and lie and you want to hit an exact swingweight number on each club...easy is not the word for it. That takes specialized measuring equipment, experience and gobs of time.


    Swingwwight can be nailed easily with knowing the exact weight of each component and following any decent swing weight calculation found free on the internet. Cutting to + or minus whatever the length requires a saw. Loft and lie deviating from standard takes a bending machine, the only real tool /machine required for any of the fore mentioned changes.
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭
    Duffer222 wrote:


    Duffer222 wrote:


    It’s so freakin’ easy to build your own, I don’t understand why anyone would go through the aggravation of buying a built set. Most of those slapping the components together don’t have a clue,




    If you want every iron in a set plus or minus 1/8” in length, plus or minus a fraction of a degree in loft and lie and you want to hit an exact swingweight number on each club...easy is not the word for it. That takes specialized measuring equipment, experience and gobs of time.


    Swingwwight can be nailed easily with knowing the exact weight of each component and following any decent swing weight calculation found free on the internet. Cutting to + or minus whatever the length requires a saw. Loft and lie deviating from standard takes a bending machine, the only real tool /machine required for any of the fore mentioned changes.




    I have a feeling you’ve never tried building clubs to the tolerances this guy is demanding. Anyone with the equipment can build a set to typical OEM tolerances. This guy was wanting them blueprinted to a precision you ain’t getting by adding up component weights and plugging them in a spreadsheet. You’re describing how simple it is to build a set good enough to play, that is nowhere near what OP wants from Callaway.
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  • mikecascmikecasc ClubWRX Posts: 376 ClubWRX
    I received my custom clubs yesterday from callaway. The grips were installed crooked on 5 of the 7 clubs. Have to bring to my pro to make sure all other specs are correct. Called Callaway and they quickly refunded be $15 per club to get them fixed.
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭
    Finding someone who will get ribbed (or ALIGN) grips on straight is horribly frustrating. I end up having to do them myself. There was assistant pro at our club who did a perfect job every time and would only charge $20 to do a whole set of 8-9 irons. He left ten years ago and none of the staff there now is particularly interested in trying to do ribbed grips. We used to have a Golfsmith store and one of the repair techs there was an excellent grip installer. That store went out of business.



    Even the OEM's are dodgy with it from everything I read here. It's a PITA I know but dang, it's becoming some kind of lost art to actually place a set of ribbed grips in the correct alignment on each club. That used to be considered easy-peasy.
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  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members Posts: 1,729 ✭✭
    DTown3011 wrote:

    mrfols wrote:


    Well I was excited to get my clubs in yesterday and was a bit disappointed with them when they came in. Ordered plus 1/2" throughout. They came in all over the place. Swing weight was supposed to be D5. Not very confident that it will be correct with the lengths and gaps so far off.

    4- 39"

    5- 38 3/8"

    6- 38"

    7- 37 3/8"

    8- 37"

    9- 36 1/4"

    P- 35 7/8



    Have already called my pro to contact Callaway for resolution.




    These are actually spot on for Callaway with the 9 iron a bit of an outlier. Callaway measures and accounts for the grip butt cap so they cut 1/8" short on the shaft to accommodate for this. Are you measuring with the grips on or off? I would guess off based on your measurements. Callaway measures total lengths with grips ON.



    They have a proprietary measuring system (which I don't necessarily agree with) and it doesn't align with nor as their standards across the industry. Lie angle can also influence length and my guess is you are slightly upright (correct?).




    Doesn't matter how they measure, at least half of the set is out as the standard spec is a 0.5" length change per club going 35.5" up from wedge. These go 5/8" then 3/8" then 5/8" in gapping.
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭

    DTown3011 wrote:

    mrfols wrote:


    Well I was excited to get my clubs in yesterday and was a bit disappointed with them when they came in. Ordered plus 1/2" throughout. They came in all over the place. Swing weight was supposed to be D5. Not very confident that it will be correct with the lengths and gaps so far off.

    4- 39"

    5- 38 3/8"

    6- 38"

    7- 37 3/8"

    8- 37"

    9- 36 1/4"

    P- 35 7/8



    Have already called my pro to contact Callaway for resolution.




    These are actually spot on for Callaway with the 9 iron a bit of an outlier. Callaway measures and accounts for the grip butt cap so they cut 1/8" short on the shaft to accommodate for this. Are you measuring with the grips on or off? I would guess off based on your measurements. Callaway measures total lengths with grips ON.



    They have a proprietary measuring system (which I don't necessarily agree with) and it doesn't align with nor as their standards across the industry. Lie angle can also influence length and my guess is you are slightly upright (correct?).




    Doesn't matter how they measure, at least half of the set is out as the standard spec is a 0.5" length change per club going 35.5" up from wedge. These go 5/8" then 3/8" then 5/8" in gapping.




    In other words, a couple of the clubs are 1/8" too short or long. Small, random errors in length of 1/8" which is probably within their target spec range.
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    1pt bitter beer
    every 6 hours.
    1 ten-mile walk every morning.
    1 bed at 11 sharp every night.
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  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members Posts: 1,729 ✭✭


    DTown3011 wrote:

    mrfols wrote:


    Well I was excited to get my clubs in yesterday and was a bit disappointed with them when they came in. Ordered plus 1/2" throughout. They came in all over the place. Swing weight was supposed to be D5. Not very confident that it will be correct with the lengths and gaps so far off.

    4- 39"

    5- 38 3/8"

    6- 38"

    7- 37 3/8"

    8- 37"

    9- 36 1/4"

    P- 35 7/8



    Have already called my pro to contact Callaway for resolution.




    These are actually spot on for Callaway with the 9 iron a bit of an outlier. Callaway measures and accounts for the grip butt cap so they cut 1/8" short on the shaft to accommodate for this. Are you measuring with the grips on or off? I would guess off based on your measurements. Callaway measures total lengths with grips ON.



    They have a proprietary measuring system (which I don't necessarily agree with) and it doesn't align with nor as their standards across the industry. Lie angle can also influence length and my guess is you are slightly upright (correct?).




    Doesn't matter how they measure, at least half of the set is out as the standard spec is a 0.5" length change per club going 35.5" up from wedge. These go 5/8" then 3/8" then 5/8" in gapping.




    In other words, a couple of the clubs are 1/8" too short or long. Small, random errors in length of 1/8" which is probably within their target spec range.




    If an OEM needs +/- 1/8" for the simple job of cutting a shaft they should pack up. That's basically saying they can be happy with the gapping between all clubs being 1/4" out. This was a sloppy build however you choose to position in
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭



    DTown3011 wrote:

    mrfols wrote:


    Well I was excited to get my clubs in yesterday and was a bit disappointed with them when they came in. Ordered plus 1/2" throughout. They came in all over the place. Swing weight was supposed to be D5. Not very confident that it will be correct with the lengths and gaps so far off.

    4- 39"

    5- 38 3/8"

    6- 38"

    7- 37 3/8"

    8- 37"

    9- 36 1/4"

    P- 35 7/8



    Have already called my pro to contact Callaway for resolution.




    These are actually spot on for Callaway with the 9 iron a bit of an outlier. Callaway measures and accounts for the grip butt cap so they cut 1/8" short on the shaft to accommodate for this. Are you measuring with the grips on or off? I would guess off based on your measurements. Callaway measures total lengths with grips ON.



    They have a proprietary measuring system (which I don't necessarily agree with) and it doesn't align with nor as their standards across the industry. Lie angle can also influence length and my guess is you are slightly upright (correct?).




    Doesn't matter how they measure, at least half of the set is out as the standard spec is a 0.5" length change per club going 35.5" up from wedge. These go 5/8" then 3/8" then 5/8" in gapping.




    In other words, a couple of the clubs are 1/8" too short or long. Small, random errors in length of 1/8" which is probably within their target spec range.




    If an OEM needs +/- 1/8" for the simple job of cutting a shaft they should pack up. That's basically saying they can be happy with the gapping between all clubs being 1/4" out. This was a sloppy build however you choose to position in




    Well good luck finding perfection out there. I'm sure for enough money somebody can meet any tolerances you care to name.
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    1pt bitter beer
    every 6 hours.
    1 ten-mile walk every morning.
    1 bed at 11 sharp every night.
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  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members Posts: 1,729 ✭✭




    Well good luck finding perfection out there. I'm sure for enough money somebody can meet any tolerances you care to name.




    Heck I just want consistency in the lengths built, especially for their top line product. It's like producing a set that has 2 then 4 degree loft gaps or the lies are all over the place. I know it happens but it ain't right!



    How hard can it be to mark an accurate line on a shaft and then cut it there. The math couldn't have been too tricky either adding 0.5 to either a round number or a number.5 image/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' />
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 10,140 ✭✭
    I remember the first set of clubs I ever custom ordered. Titleist DCI Oversized.



    Lined 'em up against the wall and it was obvious that one club (I think it was the 8-iron but it was a long time ago) was closer in length to the 7-iron than to the 9-iron. Also the 4-iron was like 2 SW points lighter than the rest of the set (or maybe it was heavier, again it's been 20 years).



    Played those clubs every round for 6-8 years and never noticed anything wrong with the 4-iron or 8-iron. Somebody got a bit sloppy cutting one of the shafts and I guess there was a wrong-weight clubhead mixed in with the rest.



    I don't think *any* mass market golf club is going to be closer than 1/8" maximium length error, one degree maximum loft or lie error or a couple points maximum SW error on a consistent basis. If you measure closely enough there are fractions here and fractions there off in virtually any set of eight clubs.
    “1lb beefstak, with
    1pt bitter beer
    every 6 hours.
    1 ten-mile walk every morning.
    1 bed at 11 sharp every night.
    And don't stuff your head with things you don't understand.” 
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