Rick Shiels Cobra F9 Speedback driver review, the one to beat in 2019?

HedgehogHedgehog Members Posts: 341 ✭✭
This got me really excited to test this driver, it has been flying under the radar a bit..



Seems like the F9 is one of the best performing drivers Rick has ever tested, and best sounding driver of all time!?



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Thought on this, anyone else think also that this is the one to beat in 2019?
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  • MarkAJonesMarkAJones Jonesy Members Posts: 228 ✭✭
    Never been a Cobra fan so hard to get too excited.



    Besides, I'm done buying clubs until something breaks so steering away from testing anything!
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  • HedgehogHedgehog Members Posts: 341 ✭✭
    edited Jan 11, 2019 5:39am #3
    MarkAJones wrote:


    Never been a Cobra fan so hard to get too excited.
    Me neater, but I have always been a fan of how Cobra drivers sound like, and Rick commenting that this is THE best sounding driver he has ever hit got me really excited.



    Seem like the closest competitor to this driver will be the M6, similiar in design and price.



    F9 was also the fastest driver Rick has hit out of these 2019 driver, it was shown on ball speed as well. The margins are so small that sound = feel is even more important.



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  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic Members Posts: 3,068 ✭✭
    I appreciate the comparisons, but they are completely irrelevant. The clubs compared differ greatly in set up (shaft, length, loft). Additionally his performance varies on a daily basis, too. All the ball speeds are within 2 miles per hour. That is not a significant change and could change easily, if retested. I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others. The title is clickbait. Not much more.
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  • HedgehogHedgehog Members Posts: 341 ✭✭
    Seems like Joel Tadman also got some nice performance with the F9, also praising the sound and forgiveness.



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    Cobra timed this launch and the dates pretty well, they know they had the tech & performance of the other big companies and are willing to offer it with a lower price. Should translate into good retail success.
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  • HedgehogHedgehog Members Posts: 341 ✭✭


    ...I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others...
    Sure they are very close to the F9's performance, at a higher price though.
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  • Gary GutfulGary Gutful Members Posts: 1,170 ✭✭
    I’d like to see more data but encouraging nonetheless...
  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic Members Posts: 3,068 ✭✭
    Hedgehog wrote:



    ...I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others...
    Sure they are very close to the F9's performance, at a higher price though.


    If he redid all the tests and the epic flash subzero would suddenly be number 1 in ballspeed (which is possible, his sample is nowhere near big enough to show any significant statistical evidence) would it be worth the extra 75 bucks to you? The point is, the Cobra is not "faster" (whatever that means) than the new drivers from Callaway, TaylorMade, Mizuno and so on. They are all more or less the same. Cobra offers a very compelling package at a nice price point, I am not debating that. I say it is simply untrue to suggest that the Cobra is "THE" driver of 2019, because some random dude in England got slightly better ball speed in a small data sample.
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  • blackngold_bloodblackngold_blood Golf Ball Whacker Guy Members Posts: 981 ✭✭
    Hedgehog wrote:

    MarkAJones wrote:


    Never been a Cobra fan so hard to get too excited.
    Me neater, but I have always been a fan of how Cobra drivers sound like, and Rick commenting that this is THE best sounding driver he has ever hit got me really excited.



    Seem like the closest competitor to this driver will be the M6, similiar in design and price.



    F9 was also the fastest driver Rick has hit out of these 2019 driver, it was shown on ball speed as well. The margins are so small that sound = feel is even more important.







    Isn't his ball speed faster because his swing speed is faster? Or is this one of them things where club speed is estimated?
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  • HedgehogHedgehog Members Posts: 341 ✭✭


    ..some random dude in England..
    Yeah, I think you right, he don't know what he doing, that's obviously how he got almost half a million subscribers. image/cheesy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheesy:' />
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  • jsnolandjsnoland Members Posts: 156 ✭✭
    Never been a huge Cobra fan, at least until my fitter recently let me hit the new F9 Tour 3/4 fairway with HZRDUS Smoke 70g in 6.5. Wow. Was getting a few extra mph of ball speed over the CBX and it was carrying slightly longer than my CBX. The other difference was a lot more forgiveness and ease of hitting off the deck - felt like I was hitting a 4I in terms of how easy it was to hit off the deck. Probably the rails.



    This may end up in my bag soon, and I never thought something could knock the CBX out that quickly.
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  • HedgehogHedgehog Members Posts: 341 ✭✭


    Isn't his ball speed faster because his swing speed is faster? Or is this one of them things where club speed is estimated?
    Yeah it seem like he and other reviews can swing the F9 faster then other heads, good aero package and weight balance it seems.
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  • Joker91Joker91 Westminster, COMembers Posts: 562 ✭✭


    I appreciate the comparisons, but they are completely irrelevant. The clubs compared differ greatly in set up (shaft, length, loft). Additionally his performance varies on a daily basis, too. All the ball speeds are within 2 miles per hour. That is not a significant change and could change easily, if retested. I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others. The title is clickbait. Not much more.


    Very clickbaity
  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic Members Posts: 3,068 ✭✭
    Hedgehog wrote:



    ..some random dude in England..
    Yeah, I think you right, he don't know what he doing, that's obviously how he got almost half a million subscribers. image/cheesy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheesy:' />


    Why are his impressions more valuable than those of other people? Just because he has a bigger following on social media? There are a lot of people on here who’s feedback I value significantly more than that of Mr. Shiels.
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  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 578 ✭✭
    The one to beat is the one you test and find fairways with. There is no "one to beat for 2019". The head/shaft combo that works to keep you in play and get you hitting more short irons into greens is the one to beat. I'd take 5-10 yards loss if it means I'm hitting off the fairway rather than out of rough/trees/taking a drop. If that driver happens to be long as well great, if not, I'm taking the accurate one.
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  • HedgehogHedgehog Members Posts: 341 ✭✭
    balls_deep wrote:


    I'm taking the accurate one.
    Yeah, been doing the same for years now. That's why I personally have mostly ended up with Ping.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,900 ✭✭

    Hedgehog wrote:



    ...I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others...
    Sure they are very close to the F9's performance, at a higher price though.


    If he redid all the tests and the epic flash subzero would suddenly be number 1 in ballspeed (which is possible, his sample is nowhere near big enough to show any significant statistical evidence) would it be worth the extra 75 bucks to you? The point is, the Cobra is not "faster" (whatever that means) than the new drivers from Callaway, TaylorMade, Mizuno and so on. They are all more or less the same. Cobra offers a very compelling package at a nice price point, I am not debating that. I say it is simply untrue to suggest that the Cobra is "THE" driver of 2019, because some random dude in England got slightly better ball speed in a small data sample.






    disagree somewhat...we cant say its the one for 2019 for everyone..BUT we can say its the best one for Rick... You do realize the videos are a small sample of his testing .. he isnt only hitting 10 balls with each ...lol





    his OPINIONS are based on much testing and i believe are honest. It doesnt tell you whats best for everyone , but his reviews have mirrored my own testing for quite some time ... If he said it sounded bad..it usually does.. If he says it spins too much.. it usually does.. if he says its fade biased.. it almost always is ... etc etc etc... bashing the guys reviews gets old in my opinion ... especially when he has about the most comprehensive reviews online... theres a couple more decent reviewers..But most are guys swinging 90mph in a dark room with vanilla opinions on everything .. if you review everything and never have a product you dont like, or one you really love..Youre lying .. Rick has numerous examples of both
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  • jsnoland wrote:


    Never been a huge Cobra fan, at least until my fitter recently let me hit the new F9 Tour 3/4 fairway with HZRDUS Smoke 70g in 6.5. Wow. Was getting a few extra mph of ball speed over the CBX and it was carrying slightly longer than my CBX. The other difference was a lot more forgiveness and ease of hitting off the deck - felt like I was hitting a 4I in terms of how easy it was to hit off the deck. Probably the rails.



    This may end up in my bag soon, and I never thought something could knock the CBX out that quickly.


    I really was impressed by this as well similar distance to my m2 tour but way less effort to hit pure
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  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic Members Posts: 3,068 ✭✭


    Hedgehog wrote:



    ...I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others...
    Sure they are very close to the F9's performance, at a higher price though.


    If he redid all the tests and the epic flash subzero would suddenly be number 1 in ballspeed (which is possible, his sample is nowhere near big enough to show any significant statistical evidence) would it be worth the extra 75 bucks to you? The point is, the Cobra is not "faster" (whatever that means) than the new drivers from Callaway, TaylorMade, Mizuno and so on. They are all more or less the same. Cobra offers a very compelling package at a nice price point, I am not debating that. I say it is simply untrue to suggest that the Cobra is "THE" driver of 2019, because some random dude in England got slightly better ball speed in a small data sample.






    disagree somewhat...we cant say its the one for 2019 for everyone..BUT we can say its the best one for Rick... You do realize the videos are a small sample of his testing .. he isnt only hitting 10 balls with each ...lol





    his OPINIONS are based on much testing and i believe are honest. It doesnt tell you whats best for everyone , but his reviews have mirrored my own testing for quite some time ... If he said it sounded bad..it usually does.. If he says it spins too much.. it usually does.. if he says its fade biased.. it almost always is ... etc etc etc... bashing the guys reviews gets old in my opinion ... especially when he has about the most comprehensive reviews online... theres a couple more decent reviewers..But most are guys swinging 90mph in a dark room with vanilla opinions on everything .. if you review everything and never have a product you dont like, or one you really love..Youre lying .. Rick has numerous examples of both


    I realize that he hits more shots off-camera, but the conditions from day to day still change and so do the clubs. The point I was trying to make is that the numbers are very close together and that there are quite a few variables other than the clubhead in play. You would need a gigantic data set, which realistically only a robot can provide.

    I have no issue with his reviews, but I would never base a purchasing decision on whether he got 2mph more ball speed with the cobra over a TS3 or whatever.
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  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,224 ✭✭


    Hedgehog wrote:



    ...I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others...
    Sure they are very close to the F9's performance, at a higher price though.


    If he redid all the tests and the epic flash subzero would suddenly be number 1 in ballspeed (which is possible, his sample is nowhere near big enough to show any significant statistical evidence) would it be worth the extra 75 bucks to you? The point is, the Cobra is not "faster" (whatever that means) than the new drivers from Callaway, TaylorMade, Mizuno and so on. They are all more or less the same. Cobra offers a very compelling package at a nice price point, I am not debating that. I say it is simply untrue to suggest that the Cobra is "THE" driver of 2019, because some random dude in England got slightly better ball speed in a small data sample.






    disagree somewhat...we cant say its the one for 2019 for everyone..BUT we can say its the best one for Rick... You do realize the videos are a small sample of his testing .. he isnt only hitting 10 balls with each ...lol





    his OPINIONS are based on much testing and i believe are honest. It doesnt tell you whats best for everyone , but his reviews have mirrored my own testing for quite some time ... If he said it sounded bad..it usually does.. If he says it spins too much.. it usually does.. if he says its fade biased.. it almost always is ... etc etc etc... bashing the guys reviews gets old in my opinion ... especially when he has about the most comprehensive reviews online... theres a couple more decent reviewers..But most are guys swinging 90mph in a dark room with vanilla opinions on everything .. if you review everything and never have a product you dont like, or one you really love..Youre lying .. Rick has numerous examples of both




    Well said. I only have one thing to add. His particular swing doesn’t compare well to mine so I always need to remember that when I watch his reviews. He has a very positive AoA and a very in to out path. I’m a flat to -1 AoA and a hair out to in. I usually play a fairly low 3-5 yard cut.
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  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 578 ✭✭



    Hedgehog wrote:



    ...I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others...
    Sure they are very close to the F9's performance, at a higher price though.


    If he redid all the tests and the epic flash subzero would suddenly be number 1 in ballspeed (which is possible, his sample is nowhere near big enough to show any significant statistical evidence) would it be worth the extra 75 bucks to you? The point is, the Cobra is not "faster" (whatever that means) than the new drivers from Callaway, TaylorMade, Mizuno and so on. They are all more or less the same. Cobra offers a very compelling package at a nice price point, I am not debating that. I say it is simply untrue to suggest that the Cobra is "THE" driver of 2019, because some random dude in England got slightly better ball speed in a small data sample.






    disagree somewhat...we cant say its the one for 2019 for everyone..BUT we can say its the best one for Rick... You do realize the videos are a small sample of his testing .. he isnt only hitting 10 balls with each ...lol





    his OPINIONS are based on much testing and i believe are honest. It doesnt tell you whats best for everyone , but his reviews have mirrored my own testing for quite some time ... If he said it sounded bad..it usually does.. If he says it spins too much.. it usually does.. if he says its fade biased.. it almost always is ... etc etc etc... bashing the guys reviews gets old in my opinion ... especially when he has about the most comprehensive reviews online... theres a couple more decent reviewers..But most are guys swinging 90mph in a dark room with vanilla opinions on everything .. if you review everything and never have a product you dont like, or one you really love..Youre lying .. Rick has numerous examples of both




    Well said. I only have one thing to add. His particular swing doesn’t compare well to mine so I always need to remember that when I watch his reviews. He has a very positive AoA and a very in to out path. I’m a flat to -1 AoA and a hair out to in. I usually play a fairly low 3-5 yard cut.




    Same reason his iron reviews don't work for me/I can't stand them. He hooks the things and then says they don't spin enough.
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  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,224 ✭✭
    Yes. It’s been said many times. He has developed a swing to maximize driver distance after testing so many drivers for so many years. That swing doesn’t translate very well to the irons..



    I also NEVER have low spin issues with my irons.
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    Too bad its yellow.
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    Would love to see him rehit the 2016 m2 and g400 max in a test vs the 2019 offerings
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,260 ✭✭
    People shouldn't dig too deeply into this data because it's non-controlled. All the shafts are different... The stock length for F9 is different than M5/M6 and Flash... I'm not sure if every driver was lofted to the exact same loft either, so face angles could have varied. So really this is a test of what driver was best for Rick, in a total bare bones stock set up.



    It's fun to look at data, but everybody should get fit. I think though what is the most note worthy is RS' praise of how good the driver felt and sounded. THAT to me, is the money maker. F9 gets 2 yard less carry than Flash?? Woopdie do. Flash sounds like poo. Speaking from experience, the F8 line felt absolutely wonderful and as a casual weekend player, I'd rather love how my driver/wood sounds & feels on each strike, than worry about if I'm absolutely maxing my ball speed.



    Plus, Flash seems to get most of its mileage from roll due to low spin. That's just not practical for most of us. Nobody should be gaming an 1800 RPM spinning driver unless you play on bowling alley fairways and you are constantly having your face angle square to path. 1800 rpm will quickly turn from low spin bomb to 40ft high hooks that land you in hazards. Plus you need the ball speed to properly play with that low of spin. It's a **** flight if done right, but can go wrong really quick. I'd much rather have the 2300 rpm from F9 (and my well struck ball speeds are higher than Rick's).
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  • DrawmanDrawman Members Posts: 93 ✭✭
    Rick's videos are very watchable, and I love his enthusiasm. What I take from his F9 video is that I should consider Cobra when looking at new drivers.



    TXG's tests are the most informative for me. Give them 3-4 months and they'll have fitting experience with all of the new drivers. Ian Fraser is averse to drawing early conclusions without a cross section of golfers being fitted to a particular club.
  • jsnolandjsnoland Members Posts: 156 ✭✭

    jsnoland wrote:


    Never been a huge Cobra fan, at least until my fitter recently let me hit the new F9 Tour 3/4 fairway with HZRDUS Smoke 70g in 6.5. Wow. Was getting a few extra mph of ball speed over the CBX and it was carrying slightly longer than my CBX. The other difference was a lot more forgiveness and ease of hitting off the deck - felt like I was hitting a 4I in terms of how easy it was to hit off the deck. Probably the rails.



    This may end up in my bag soon, and I never thought something could knock the CBX out that quickly.


    I really was impressed by this as well similar distance to my m2 tour but way less effort to hit pure




    Great summary - better ball speed/distance/forgiveness with less effort. As I commented to my fitter - it feels like no matter what swing I put on it, the results are good to great. I think they have a winner with the Tour FW - interested to test the Driver (in addition to the Mizuno ST190) as well.
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  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT Members Posts: 7,043 ✭✭


    Hedgehog wrote:



    ...I am sure the Cobra is a great driver, but so are the others...
    Sure they are very close to the F9's performance, at a higher price though.


    If he redid all the tests and the epic flash subzero would suddenly be number 1 in ballspeed (which is possible, his sample is nowhere near big enough to show any significant statistical evidence) would it be worth the extra 75 bucks to you? The point is, the Cobra is not "faster" (whatever that means) than the new drivers from Callaway, TaylorMade, Mizuno and so on. They are all more or less the same. Cobra offers a very compelling package at a nice price point, I am not debating that. I say it is simply untrue to suggest that the Cobra is "THE" driver of 2019, because some random dude in England got slightly better ball speed in a small data sample.






    disagree somewhat...we cant say its the one for 2019 for everyone..BUT we can say its the best one for Rick... You do realize the videos are a small sample of his testing .. he isnt only hitting 10 balls with each ...lol





    his OPINIONS are based on much testing and i believe are honest. It doesnt tell you whats best for everyone , but his reviews have mirrored my own testing for quite some time ... If he said it sounded bad..it usually does.. If he says it spins too much.. it usually does.. if he says its fade biased.. it almost always is ... etc etc etc... bashing the guys reviews gets old in my opinion ... especially when he has about the most comprehensive reviews online... theres a couple more decent reviewers..But most are guys swinging 90mph in a dark room with vanilla opinions on everything .. if you review everything and never have a product you dont like, or one you really love..Youre lying .. Rick has numerous examples of both






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    Back on topic....Rick rules! Lol
  • ihatecats18ihatecats18 Members Posts: 258 ✭✭
    I'm a Cobra wood guy. The F9 had the exact same numbers as the F8 for me in the simulator. Not much different than my Fly Z's.

    I'm not knocking the F9 series, but instead am telling you all to give it a try because Cobra makes great woods.
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    • Wood: m3 w xtorsion copper 70x
    • Hybrid: Cobra F7 set to 20
    • Irons: Wilson F 100, 5-PW
    • Wedges: Titleist- GW 52 SM4 - SW 56 SM4.
    • Putter: Never Compromise Dinero 35"

    • Ball: TM TP5
  • 300_Straight300_Straight Members Posts: 959 ✭✭
    Cobra has been making great Drivers for years. I think they have been the most overlooked company when it comes to woods. Lot of people don't like the flashy style and I get it, but the product has been great for awhile. I think for this reason, his review title is "the driver to beat in 2019." As posted above, you shouldn't take Rick's reviews as gospel to go buy clubs. Instead, you should take it as "don't rule out the Cobra, it's as good as anything else I've hit this year."



    Getting fitted into the correct head/shaft combination is the most important aspect when picking a Driver. One particular head may work for Rick, but not work for you. Everyone's swing is different and is exactly why fittings are so important.
    King LTD Pro 7.5 F / Pro Orange 70TX Tipped 3/4" - 44.5"
    Exotics XCG7 Beta 13*
    Srixon Z745 3i - KBS Tour 120s
    '94 Callaway Big Bertha 4 - 9 irons - Stock Memphis M10

    46/10f SM7
    50/12f SM7
    54/12 Top Flite
    58/12d SM7

    Old Odyssey Mallet
  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,678 ✭✭
    I think his point was that, for him, it's the complete package. Performance, they are all on par with one another. Other than the Cortex he was in a very similar range with one another. With that performance, he highlighted that the head looked great and more importantly, felt and sounded amazing. So, given that they all perform pretty much the same, I think, for him, the Cobra is the best of the bunch since it provides him with the visual and audible feedback he's looking for. Those two things can add a load of confidence on the tee.
    Callaway Epic Flash 9* Tensei Pro Orange 70 TX
    Titleist 917 F3 15* Tensei Pro Blue 70 TX
    Callaway X-Forged UT 21* w/Motore Speeder TS 8.8 X
    Callaway 2016 Apex Pro 4-PW KBS 130X
    Taylormade Spider X Navy/White 35"
    Callaway MD3 54, 60, 64
    All sitting comfortably in my Sun Mountain Sync Cart Bag
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