Scotty Cameron 009 vs. Scratch 726 Putter

[KevCarter]

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[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1391816146' post='8619310']
[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1391815658' post='8619262']
Shouldn't discussion be about relative merits of each putter and not marketing practices? Hmmm...wonder where heard that before and if that kills discourse?
[/quote]

I personally think this Scratch is a great looking putter, and would consider buying one. I made a joke early on in the thread, thought folks here would be intelligent enough to get it, and this douchebag called me out, again. I apologize for my part of the discussion, but the Scotty haters have been allowed to get out of control, and I am going to start defending myself. Only on this forum, could pictures of measuring and recreating a Scotty putter by another manufacturer get turned around into a Scotty hatefest. I've simply had enough of these idiots from ******Talk, and I think everybody else has too.
[/quote]

I took the photos of the 009 being measured as a direct shot at Scotty Xerox, knowing there isn't a damn thing he can do about it, given his history and lack of intellectual property for this putter. I guess the truth hurts some people who are blindly loyal to his brand.
[/quote]

LOL Hence, my joke. Evidently you didn't get it either. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. The "truth" doesn't hurt me, I enjoy putters from lots of companies. It's you Scotty haters that seem to take it personally.

[Mitchell]

[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1391816146' post='8619310']
[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1391815658' post='8619262']
Shouldn't discussion be about relative merits of each putter and not marketing practices? Hmmm...wonder where heard that before and if that kills discourse?
[/quote]

I personally think this Scratch is a great looking putter, and would consider buying one. I made a joke early on in the thread, thought folks here would be intelligent enough to get it, and this douchebag called me out, again. I apologize for my part of the discussion, but the Scotty haters have been allowed to get out of control, and I am going to start defending myself. Only on this forum, could pictures of measuring and recreating a Scotty putter by another manufacturer get turned around into a Scotty hatefest. I've simply had enough of these idiots from ******Talk, and I think everybody else has too.
[/quote]Comment was totally unrelated to anything you had to say, was a tongue-in-cheek comment related to another thread by another member and do not appreciate the DB comment, I have nothing to do with puttertalk or any so-called hate for this or any other manufacturer, whatever your issue is with others, take it up with them.

[KevCarter]

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[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1391816146' post='8619310']
[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1391815658' post='8619262']
Shouldn't discussion be about relative merits of each putter and not marketing practices? Hmmm...wonder where heard that before and if that kills discourse?
[/quote]

I personally think this Scratch is a great looking putter, and would consider buying one. I made a joke early on in the thread, thought folks here would be intelligent enough to get it, and this douchebag called me out, again. I apologize for my part of the discussion, but the Scotty haters have been allowed to get out of control, and I am going to start defending myself. Only on this forum, could pictures of measuring and recreating a Scotty putter by another manufacturer get turned around into a Scotty hatefest. I've simply had enough of these idiots from ******Talk, and I think everybody else has too.
[/quote]Comment was totally unrelated to anything you had to say, was a tongue-in-cheek comment related to another thread by another member and do not appreciate the DB comment, I have nothing to do with puttertalk or any so-called hate for this or any other manufacturer, whatever your issue is with others, take it up with them.
[/quote]

If your post is unrelated, don't quote me. It appeared you were responding to me. My apologies.

[finalist]

[quote name='Medson' timestamp='1391815323' post='8619234']
Didn't Butler family want out for a while?
[/quote]

Blood in, Blood out, cuz. Either they don't know...don't show...or don't care about what's going on in the hood.

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[size=2][i]Thank you for being LoYaL.[/i][/size]

[ckay]

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[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1391796594' post='8617157']
[quote name='BogeyDog11' timestamp='1391730244' post='8612285']
Where is Greg and that guy from Wisconsin with all this hate going on......

Calling out one for Xeroxing a putter from the king of Xeroxing is laughable at best.....

The pot has officially called the kettle black....
[/quote]

LOL, calling him out? I made a joke.

Too bad you can't turn your obsession for Scotty Cameron into something positive.

Kevin
[/quote]
For someone who dislikes the brand so much he sure posts in a LOT of threads....
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As usual, it is ok to hate on Scratch but not on [b]Don[/b]. Give the Butler family a call and see how they feel right now.

If you look at the last 100 Cameron related threads, I've posted in less than two or three in the past 6 months..........
[/quote]
What happened with the Butlers??

[Mitchell]

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[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1391819917' post='8619656']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1391816146' post='8619310']
[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1391815658' post='8619262']
Shouldn't discussion be about relative merits of each putter and not marketing practices? Hmmm...wonder where heard that before and if that kills discourse?
[/quote]

I personally think this Scratch is a great looking putter, and would consider buying one. I made a joke early on in the thread, thought folks here would be intelligent enough to get it, and this douchebag called me out, again. I apologize for my part of the discussion, but the Scotty haters have been allowed to get out of control, and I am going to start defending myself. Only on this forum, could pictures of measuring and recreating a Scotty putter by another manufacturer get turned around into a Scotty hatefest. I've simply had enough of these idiots from ******Talk, and I think everybody else has too.
[/quote]Comment was totally unrelated to anything you had to say, was a tongue-in-cheek comment related to another thread by another member and do not appreciate the DB comment, I have nothing to do with puttertalk or any so-called hate for this or any other manufacturer, whatever your issue is with others, take it up with them.
[/quote]

If your post is unrelated, don't quote me. It appeared you were responding to me. My apologies.
[/quote]This whole mess started from you quoting me, but anyway, no hard feelings, check the thread history and your pm, it is all good and my apology as well for any part that lead to any miscommunication.

[KevCarter]

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[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1391820092' post='8619668']
[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1391819917' post='8619656']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1391816146' post='8619310']
[quote name='nochrome' timestamp='1391815658' post='8619262']
Shouldn't discussion be about relative merits of each putter and not marketing practices? Hmmm...wonder where heard that before and if that kills discourse?
[/quote]

I personally think this Scratch is a great looking putter, and would consider buying one. I made a joke early on in the thread, thought folks here would be intelligent enough to get it, and this douchebag called me out, again. I apologize for my part of the discussion, but the Scotty haters have been allowed to get out of control, and I am going to start defending myself. Only on this forum, could pictures of measuring and recreating a Scotty putter by another manufacturer get turned around into a Scotty hatefest. I've simply had enough of these idiots from ******Talk, and I think everybody else has too.
[/quote]Comment was totally unrelated to anything you had to say, was a tongue-in-cheek comment related to another thread by another member and do not appreciate the DB comment, I have nothing to do with puttertalk or any so-called hate for this or any other manufacturer, whatever your issue is with others, take it up with them.
[/quote]

If your post is unrelated, don't quote me. It appeared you were responding to me. My apologies.
[/quote]This whole mess started from you quoting me, but anyway, no hard feelings, check the thread history and your pm, it is all good and my apology as well for any part that lead to any miscommunication.
[/quote]

I'm not sure how many times I can apologize... I'm done with this thread.

[Medson]

Half decent thread with somewhat interesting information here and there. Then, it took a turn for worse half way through last page.

I have no idea how to decode Ryan's post. >_<

[finalist]

[quote name='Pure745' timestamp='1391794839' post='8616975']
^^^^ HAHAHAHAH! OH MY.
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OH My is what old people say when they see a coyote eating its kill.

[rbhan12]

While the cameron guys are here, is a 009 the same shape as a newport? Not the newport 2, the standard newport with the rounded bumpers.

[jmac13]

The 009/DH89 both have a shape very similar to the Newport. While there are very subtle differences overall, the more rounded bumpers and flat top line are the two easy differences to see.

[finalist]

Also check the neck beveling and how the shoulders bevel on the edges.

[rbhan12]

great thanks guys

[SoCalTitleist]

were the first nike methods meant to look this way also.

[DJdonutss]

Looks great! Hopefully it performs just as well, feels just as great, and hopefully is affordable!

[jmac13]

Here are some pictures that may show some of the differences. The Cameron is an oil can Newport and both Byrons are DH-89. The stainless Byron is a stock DH-89 and the black ox has softened edges and a rounded top line. The black ox also has a stubby stainless neck at 1/2 offset vs the standard full offset. THIS example is why I would say Byron has this part of the market cornered. Most of these options will cost $50-100 each on top of the base price. Hope this helps on the differences.

[TheBoomer]

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Looks great! Hopefully it performs just as well, feels just as great, and hopefully is affordable!
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Thanks, still undecided on the finish.

I know that another member is having the same putter made from copper, I'm probably going to get one in copper as well.

I should have more pictures next week.

[TheBoomer]

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[theboypinoy]

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Nice...!

[BogeyDog11]

[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1391816146' post='8619310']
I personally think this Scratch is a great looking putter, and would consider buying one. I made a joke early on in the thread, thought folks here would be intelligent enough to get it, and [b][i][u]this douchebag [/u][/i][/b]called me out, again. I apologize for my part of the discussion, but the Scotty haters have been allowed to get out of control, and I am going to start defending myself. Only on this forum, could pictures of measuring and recreating a Scotty putter by another manufacturer get turned around into a Scotty hatefest. I've simply had enough of these idiots from ******Talk, and I think everybody else has too.
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Don't take all of this so seriously and so personally. I would have expected better from you than this given your status in the golf world.

[BogeyDog11]

[TooMuchAwesome]

This thread cracks me up. They are all basically variations of the original design from Karsten Solheim, which is not copyright protected in any way, shape, or form to the best of my knowledge. The average 10 handicapper wouldn't know the difference between a 009 or Scratch 726 vs. a Rife Aruba or Nike 001. Let's just enjoy each company's interpretation and appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into these pieces! I love when company's like Scratch, Cameron, Byron, etc. offer something new, even if it's just a tad different than another design of a competitor. I was raised to appreciate the gentlemanly nature of this game, and politely suggest we all tone it down just a bit to marvel at some of the great putters that have been portrayed in this thread.

[SatelliteGuy]

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[quote name='DirecTVTechGuy' timestamp='1391751644' post='8614467']
I'm curious why Scratch charges more than Byron...

Does that seem WAY off to anyone else?
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Scratch and Byron don't seem off. Ingles is working a niche market and wants to keep a more exclusive number. Hence, a slightly higher price point.

The part I don't get is when you look at both numbers to a 009. Ingles and Byron will be handworking your putters from either OEM. Cameron will not be touching your 009.
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Thanks Stage....

I guess in my own measly brain.... Introducing a new product ( to Scratch anyways )... Doesn't justify a top of the line price

It was like Black Diamond Belt Company.... I inquired about some Buckles.... A putter.... And these guys...

New to the game... (?).

Are charging top of the line prices...

It makes me think.... WHO the...... Are you anyways?!?!?!


Again, my brain, seems like a brand new car company trying to charge Ferrari prices....

You have to earn the reputation to charge for it.

Scratch can charge for irons... But the " 009 " is a new product.... They have a GREAT reputation and I recently had a GREAT experience with Scratch over nothing more than a 20.00 item.... You don't expect personal phone calls for a 20.00 scorecard holder.... So I believe they are a good company....

It just feels contrived man...

Bah! I'm a widebody putter kind of guy anyways....

I always wanna experiment.... And if it was worth it... I would...

But it's not.

[Zach Heusser]

Copper!?! You are the man Boomer.

[Mitchell]

[quote name='Zach Heusser' timestamp='1391925559' post='8627737']
Copper!?! You are the man Boomer.
[/quote]Copper one of these with a nice dark patina would indeed be nice, just would be curious as to construction of neck as copper necks can be subject to bend out of spec relatively easily.

[jlevitt9]

[quote name='TooMuchAwesome' timestamp='1391906869' post='8626075']
This thread cracks me up. [b]They are all basically variations of the original design from Karsten Solheim, which is not copyright protected in any way, shape, or form to the best of my knowledge.[/b] ....Let's just enjoy each company's interpretation and appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into these pieces!
[/quote]

Your insight is too logical for the vast majority of WRX'ers.

Yes, Cameron says he is inspired by things when perhaps realistically he's just rehashing an old design. Let it go.

[finalist]

^I'm logically inspired by that headcover in you avatar Jlevitt9.

[Pure745]

[quote name='jlevitt9' timestamp='1391926558' post='8627779']
[quote name='TooMuchAwesome' timestamp='1391906869' post='8626075']
This thread cracks me up. [b]They are all basically variations of the original design from Karsten Solheim, which is not copyright protected in any way, shape, or form to the best of my knowledge.[/b] ....Let's just enjoy each company's interpretation and appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into these pieces!
[/quote]

Your insight is too logical for the vast majority of WRX'ers.

Yes, Cameron says he is inspired by things when perhaps realistically he's just rehashing an old design. Let it go.
[/quote]

Too logical for WRX'ers.. did you read the thread on TCC?

[finalist]

"TCC is full of logic. It's just oozing logic." -GCharness

[502 to Right]

[quote name='xxio' timestamp='1391347826' post='8582908']
That being said I do hope Titleist sues and under cross examination/under oath Scotty is asked where the CAD program for his 009 came from.
[/quote]

I spit my drink out when reading that. Brilliant!