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[kadillackountry]

What is a good price on a set of MP4's right now new? I'm thinking about upgrading the mp32's...

 

I picked up a new set (3-p with KBs Tours) on the bay from a very reputable seller for $630. I think the seller is Tee2green or something along those lines. Just do a search for "new Mizuno MP4" and you should find them. Other shaft options available at that price, as well.

Cool. Figured I would get confirmation that's the best deal out there. I hit s300s in my 32's. thinking about the KBS Tours. I've never hit them though. What's the difference?

 

(I've read about the difference on other forums, but appreciate the expertise on this thread the most)

[NRJyzr]

I smashed my right hand pretty bad about 6 years ago. It had a significant impact on my game. No broken bones, and no fractures, but my tendon's had bruising. I never got it checked out because there was no specialist in my town in Wyoming and work was too busy to stop. Fast forward 4 years later, moved to California, during a physical I asked the Dr about it, he sent me to a specialist and it turns out I had "frayed" ligaments that didn't heal right. Same exact feeling as you're talking about. A sore bruising. Prescription of physical therapy, hand brace for 8 weeks, and OTC glucosamine. I don't have issues any longer.

 

If anything, glucosamine helped out. I take it daily at the age of 28.

 

NRJ, let us know how those NV105's workout. They come in taper?

 

I hear stories like yours and think "my wrist isn't so bad." ;)

 

The NV105 do come in both taper and parallel, and are constant weight in both cases.

[BCULAW]

What is a good price on a set of MP4's right now new? I'm thinking about upgrading the mp32's...

 

I picked up a new set (3-p with KBs Tours) on the bay from a very reputable seller for $630. I think the seller is Tee2green or something along those lines. Just do a search for "new Mizuno MP4" and you should find them. Other shaft options available at that price, as well.

Cool. Figured I would get confirmation that's the best deal out there. I hit s300s in my 32's. thinking about the KBS Tours. I've never hit them though. What's the difference?

 

(I've read about the difference on other forums, but appreciate the expertise on this thread the most)

 

For me, the KBS Tours play a little firmer (but smoother) and with less spin than the s300. I spin the s300s WAY too much in the mid and long irons (a good 1-2 club difference in comparison to other sets) and don't have the speed to load the x100s or KBSx in the short irons. The KBS 120 stiff seems to be a nice compromise between stiff and x-stiff for me.

 

If you like the s300s, then I see no reason to switch. The s300s have never performed for me, so it was a no-brainer to go searching for something better.

[Nard_S]

What is a good price on a set of MP4's right now new? I'm thinking about upgrading the mp32's...

 

I picked up a new set (3-p with KBs Tours) on the bay from a very reputable seller for $630. I think the seller is Tee2green or something along those lines. Just do a search for "new Mizuno MP4" and you should find them. Other shaft options available at that price, as well.

Cool. Figured I would get confirmation that's the best deal out there. I hit s300s in my 32's. thinking about the KBS Tours. I've never hit them though. What's the difference?

 

(I've read about the difference on other forums, but appreciate the expertise on this thread the most)

 

For me, the KBS Tours play a little firmer (but smoother) and with less spin than the s300. I spin the s300s WAY too much in the mid and long irons (a good 1-2 club difference in comparison to other sets) and don't have the speed to load the x100s or KBSx in the short irons. The KBS 120 stiff seems to be a nice compromise between stiff and x-stiff for me.

 

If you like the s300s, then I see no reason to switch. The s300s have never performed for me, so it was a no-brainer to go searching for something better.

 

Curious, are you talking KBS Tours or KBS Tour V ?

[BCULAW]

What is a good price on a set of MP4's right now new? I'm thinking about upgrading the mp32's...

 

I picked up a new set (3-p with KBs Tours) on the bay from a very reputable seller for $630. I think the seller is Tee2green or something along those lines. Just do a search for "new Mizuno MP4" and you should find them. Other shaft options available at that price, as well.

Cool. Figured I would get confirmation that's the best deal out there. I hit s300s in my 32's. thinking about the KBS Tours. I've never hit them though. What's the difference?

 

(I've read about the difference on other forums, but appreciate the expertise on this thread the most)

 

For me, the KBS Tours play a little firmer (but smoother) and with less spin than the s300. I spin the s300s WAY too much in the mid and long irons (a good 1-2 club difference in comparison to other sets) and don't have the speed to load the x100s or KBSx in the short irons. The KBS 120 stiff seems to be a nice compromise between stiff and x-stiff for me.

 

If you like the s300s, then I see no reason to switch. The s300s have never performed for me, so it was a no-brainer to go searching for something better.

 

Curious, are you talking KBS Tours or KBS Tour V ?

 

Tours. I think flex for flex, the KBS Tour is supposed to spin and launch slightly higher than the DG equivalent, but the KBS "stiff" is stouter than the s300, so it spins slightly less with similar launch for me.

[NRJyzr]

KBS Tour in stiff has a higher butt frequency than DGS300, but that changes by the time you get to the bottom end of the shaft. I'm not sure they necessarily play stiffer than DGS, certainly not anywhere close to the difference seen in their butt frequency (which is about 5 cycles).

 

Ultimately, how the different profiles affect each person's swing can make what should be a higher trajectory and spin shaft play differently in the actual swing.

 

It's that "golf is not one size fits all" thing again. :)

 

For me, I found a bit too much spin from the KBS Tours, though I was playing X and I may be only a borderline X player these days (the latter may only be in my head).

 

(Edited for autocorrect fail)

[GT7212]

Here's a little Saturday morning eye candy

 

 

[kadillackountry]

Interesting. I played the Project X 6.0 in my relapse to cb days. Hit those irons significantly further than my mp32s but I think it was more due to the fact that that iron set had a 45 deg PW (and stronger throughout the set) than my mp32s (47 deg PW). Think the MP4s mix the two which I think fits better into the standard. I work the blades much better and know when I miss hit shots which has made my game significantly better. More GIRs

[Nard_S]

Tours. I think flex for flex, the KBS Tour is supposed to spin and launch slightly higher than the DG equivalent, but the KBS "stiff" is stouter than the s300, so it spins slightly less with similar launch for me.-BCULAW

 

Thanks, I was asking because there is a difference between Tours and Tour V and the Tours had me interested so your feedback on them helps.

[mahonie]

Just some food for though on graphite and elbow and wrist pain...Graphite will for sure soften the immediate pain of miss hitting the ball as compared to steel, no question on that. The real issue to consider is whether or not that immediate miss hit pain is what causes your chronic elbow and wrist pain. That root cause *may* be simply from repetitive ball striking from the force of impact itself, and if this is the case then graphite won't help that much. In fact, if you get a higher SS with graphite, then theoretically you will feel a higher force from impact compared to steel. Just something to consider before you think graphite is the panacea for chronic wrist and elbow pain...

 

I'm unworried about quality of contact and the effects there. In fact, it didn't cross my mind. It's overall vibration dampening that has me beginning to look at graphite. Anything to take the edge off, as it were. ;)

 

That, and the cost factor; with DG shafts being $20-22 per shaft, Nippons being $37, and so on, the NV105 at $30/shaft is quite the reasonable alternative.

 

I've done a bit of research, which suggests the NV105 may be a decent option for my particular trajectory and spin characteristics. In the world of graphite irons shafts, that is. SteelFibers were another option, I chose to start with the NV for now.

 

This is really just exploratory at this point.

 

As for swingspeed effects, I won't be doing anything that would significantly affect swingspeed for me. I'm a bit different from most in that going lighter has more risk of decreasing my swingspeed, as heavier shafts tend to work far better for me. :)

 

Any recommendations to combat pain in the second knuckle of the middle two fingers on the left hand (righty player)? Started about 6 months ago after rounds and now starting to feel it after about 12 holes. Manifests itself as a 'bruised' feeling and then totally disappears after a couple of days which is not too bad as I'm only playing once a week at the moment. I'm thinking about switching from an interlocking grip to overlapping to take some pressure off. Have a four day golf trip in three weeks playing 72 holes of proper links golf (which I am really looking forward to) and worried that the pain will detract from the enjoyment.

 

Lot of ice, several times a day for 20 minutes per. My doc always stresses ice on injuries,reduces fluid build up which can often be source of pain never recommends heat.

 

Going to overlap may actually help, if hands are not completely working together on a pass then it will not put as much stress on that finger.

 

That's a good shout...I've got a Medal tomorrow so will try that afterwards and see how it goes ?

[KaBoom21]

Where is Stubby?

[MillerLowLife]

@DeNinny That 2i is amazing! I dream of the day I own a 2i like that but for now my 690 2i will suffice. I don't think there is another club I like to hit put of the box then a 2i blade.

 

I bought modus 130x pulls to reshaft in my 2014 TM MB's to finally test out Nippon shafts. Looks like with all the potential Blades coming out this year by fall that I'll finally find the set to pick up. I just wish a local fitter in UT had miura to test out but options are limited.

[Sir Slicealot]

 

That's a good shout...I've got a Medal tomorrow so will try that afterwards and see how it goes

 

Remember to use the Medal tees...I read somewhere a while ago that some doofus let another guy tee off from the wrong tees and almost got him DQ'd...or something near that effect.

[DeNinny]

@DeNinny That 2i is amazing! I dream of the day I own a 2i like that but for now my 690 2i will suffice. I don't think there is another club I like to hit put of the box then a 2i blade.

 

I bought modus 130x pulls to reshaft in my 2014 TM MB's to finally test out Nippon shafts. Looks like with all the potential Blades coming out this year by fall that I'll finally find the set to pick up. I just wish a local fitter in UT had miura to test out but options are limited.

 

Thanks MLL, and yes to confirm, Mistress Katana is absolutelyfrigginamazing!!! :heart: :beach: :heart: I had her out today, but before I get to the (dirty) details, I have to thank all the folks that have shared their 2i blade journeys thus far in this thread. They gave me the motivation to get a complete set with one and after today, my first day with the new set and playing a 2i ever, I am a bona fide 2i blade junkie. The feeling of puring a 2i blade is the best of all. Wow. So anyway, I would have probably gone the rest of my golf life without a 2i had this thread not existed which is why I appreciate the experiences posted. Thanks a bunch, my 2i blade brothers and sisters!!!

 

After today, I have absolutely no issue with having one in the bag instead of a 5w. Not saying the 5w is kicked out of the bag, but I am saying the 2i is now a viable option for my game. I love the simplicity of having more irons in the bag. Also it is most definitely more workable than a 5w but on the downside I am a little shorter with it. I can hit my 5w 205 yds and carry it 200 but likely my 2i is going to stop at about 200 yards max and maybe get 190 yards of carry. Today in 45F temps I hit a great 185 yard cut with it no problem. Also I hit this wonderful 150 yard low punch out from under a tree with it and got the ball to run up to about 10 feet short of the green. Got up and down for par. On the downside today I shanked a shot from the middle of the fairway and was 180 yards out. But that and another slice off the tee were my only bad shots out of eight with it. Conclusion: Mistress Katana is a keeper, and I am her sub for life!!!

 

Here's her wear pattern after round 1 (8 shots) and no range balls compared to original condition:

 

 

The goal is to see the shiny raw carbon steel the most at the sweetspot. The shinier the sweetspot is relative to the rest of the face, the better I am striking it.

 

Here's how her sole wore from my virgin round:

 

LOL I like to see that the streaks are square and perpendicular to the face! It means I was keeping the face pretty square through impact and my divots.

 

And as to the rest of the set, I can say I am fully in love with it and I didn't even get to hit all the clubs today. With the leather grips the feel is even better with it than my other bb set with NO1 grips made of silicone elastomer. The feel is so solid and yet also so crisp at the moment of impact. It is something I have never been able to describe well, but just enjoy so much. And it is still another level better than my Retro TBs which I absolutely have no issue with either. Also the stiffer but lighter Nippon 850s are just smooth feeling and loading. I can generate higher clubhead velocity with them and for sure they are a club longer than my Retro TBs which are heavier (with Rifle 5.0s). I was only about 5 yards shorter than my summer distances with my bbs and it was 45F, plus it was raining off and on, so I'm thinking that I'm going to be the longest with this set Conclusion: the perfect blades do exist.

 

I shot 43-41 in the process of all of this today, and LOL I did not even have my two wedges. Like a bonehead I forgot to put them in the bag so I had to play just the PW-2i, 3w, driver, and putter. Oh well, it was nice to get intimate with the PW. And it was nice to shoot a decent round with a partial and changed up bag.

 

My Porn Stars out in the wild:

 

[mahonie]

 

That's a good shout...I've got a Medal tomorrow so will try that afterwards and see how it goes

 

Remember to use the Medal tees...I read somewhere a while ago that some doofus let another guy tee off from the wrong tees and almost got him DQ'd...or something near that effect.

 

We only have two tees: Yellow for daily play and White for competitions and I have never seen someone tee off the wrong one. I can't remember the last time I played off the Yellows...I do enjoy competing :-). Having said that, we have heavy rain at the moment and it is forecast for the rest of the day :-(

[MB Dirtyy]

What is a good price on a set of MP4's right now new? I'm thinking about upgrading the mp32's...

 

I picked up a new set (3-p with KBs Tours) on the bay from a very reputable seller for $630. I think the seller is Tee2green or something along those lines. Just do a search for "new Mizuno MP4" and you should find them. Other shaft options available at that price, as well.

I concur. I recently bought from the same seller niw MP4s for $640.

[bodhi555]

a slightly more worn set of MP4's

 

I'll be coming from a set of the Original Nike Blades, which I am more than happy with, except for the weaker lofts - anyone hit all 3 irons and can suggest what would be closest to the blades I have?

How can a set that has a 1&2 iron as part of the set be a bested?

What are the lofts of the 1&2 iron?

What are you planning to do with them?

I'd go with the MP-4's...but I am biased.

 

This is what I wasn't sure of - the current set have been superb with my only real complaint being the weaker lofts (PW is 49) but they're 12 years old, and the urge for new shiny blades is strong :)

 

Not sure of the loft of the 1 and 2 iron - 3 Iron is 23 degrees, so I would guess either 15 and 19 or 17 and 20. If anyone knows for sure it'd be appreciated.

 

Even if I do go for new blades I'll be keeping the old set as backup, and the 1 and 2 iron will keep rotating into my bag over summer.

 

Going to have another look this afternoon - the MP4s I had a choice of all seemed to have X Stiff shafts, which may be a tad strong - I currently use S400s as like a heavier shift, seem a lot of MP4's on Golfbidder with C Taper 120s - how do they compare to S400s?

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

Not sure of the loft of the 1 and 2 iron - 3 Iron is 23 degrees, so I would guess either 15 and 19 or 17 and 20. If anyone knows for sure it'd be appreciated.

 

According to this site (http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/jdyxx708/37031729.html), it's 17* and 20*.

[NRJyzr]

This is what I wasn't sure of - the current set have been superb with my only real complaint being the weaker lofts (PW is 49)

 

Don't think in terms of club numbers and whether clubs are weak or strong, think about then in terms of lofts.

 

As an example, if you were to buy a set of Cobra blades, you'd have a 46° PW. You would probably have to get a wedge to fill in the 50° gap. If you're like me, you might think about bending the 4 and 5 irons a bit stronger to have 4° lofts between the sets, which would leave you with 4-GW going from 22° to 50°.

 

Your Nikes are 3-PW from 23° to 49°. Very slightly different, but it's still largely the same loft spread being covered by eight clubs. :)

 

Going to have another look this afternoon - the MP4s I had a choice of all seemed to have X Stiff shafts, which may be a tad strong - I currently use S400s as like a heavier shift, seem a lot of MP4's on Golfbidder with C Taper 120s - how do they compare to S400s?

 

C Taper 120 will be roughly the same stiffness as DGS400. Might feel smoother, might not, opinions seem to vary. Trajectory may depend on you, as well, as opinions vary there, also.

 

What you would likely see is a reduction in spin. If you're a high spin player, C Tapers can provide some rather pleasant positives.

 

The little I've hit C Tapers, I've found them to hit the ball slightly lower, and they do appear to provide lower spin. Upwind shots have had better results with C Tapers than with DG on the set I've tested (only 7 and 8 irons, fwiw).

 

A problem with C Tapers, if you hit down and take healthy divots, they may not be for you. A fair number of folks have experienced the shaft tips bending in KBS shafts. Not sure if steps have been taken to rectify that. KBS has been good about replacing the shafts when bending occurs, but there's still down time involved.

[THass85]

Played the titleist 681s, Nike tw, Cleveland cg1, and currently vapor pros. The reason I play blades is the look and sound. Hand me vapor fly pro (I tried to play them) 5iron and a vapor pro 5iron and If I stripe them both I will always hate the fly pro. The sound a blade makes is unmatched. I can hit pure shot after pure shot with the fly pros but I cannot stand the sound.

[PeanutsDaddy]

I'm hoping someone can provide me with some insights.

 

There are a set of heads (3 - 9) available on eBay that have Nagi "Classic" inscribed. I like the shape of the head, but have not been able to find any information on them for months.

 

Sorry I don't have images, but I can't figure out how to attach them.

 

Does anyone have any information?

 

PS - need these like another hole in the head but I have 4 sets of shafts in a corner of the garage that look lonely.

 

Cheers,

 

Mike.

[bodhi555]

This is what I wasn't sure of - the current set have been superb with my only real complaint being the weaker lofts (PW is 49)

 

Don't think in terms of club numbers and whether clubs are weak or strong, think about then in terms of lofts.

 

As an example, if you were to buy a set of Cobra blades, you'd have a 46° PW. You would probably have to get a wedge to fill in the 50° gap. If you're like me, you might think about bending the 4 and 5 irons a bit stronger to have 4° lofts between the sets, which would leave you with 4-GW going from 22° to 50°.

 

Your Nikes are 3-PW from 23° to 49°. Very slightly different, but it's still largely the same loft spread being covered by eight clubs. :)

 

Going to have another look this afternoon - the MP4s I had a choice of all seemed to have X Stiff shafts, which may be a tad strong - I currently use S400s as like a heavier shift, seem a lot of MP4's on Golfbidder with C Taper 120s - how do they compare to S400s?

 

C Taper 120 will be roughly the same stiffness as DGS400. Might feel smoother, might not, opinions seem to vary. Trajectory may depend on you, as well, as opinions vary there, also.

 

What you would likely see is a reduction in spin. If you're a high spin player, C Tapers can provide some rather pleasant positives.

 

The little I've hit C Tapers, I've found them to hit the ball slightly lower, and they do appear to provide lower spin. Upwind shots have had better results with C Tapers than with DG on the set I've tested (only 7 and 8 irons, fwiw).

 

A problem with C Tapers, if you hit down and take healthy divots, they may not be for you. A fair number of folks have experienced the shaft tips bending in KBS shafts. Not sure if steps have been taken to rectify that. KBS has been good about replacing the shafts when bending occurs, but there's still down time involved.

 

You are quite correct with the lofts argument - in fact thinking about it I'm not entirely sure what I'd gain moving from a set that has 3i - 9i going through 23 to 45 (I've swapped the Nike PW for an Engage 50*) to a set that has 4i to PW covering the same lofts...I've never had too much of an issue with simply using a club more than I would with other irons, I suspect it's an excuse to justify new irons :)

 

Very interesting info on the KBS Shafts - they sounded perfect until the turf digging info - I do hit down into the back of the ball and can pick up some epic divots, so that would always be on the back of my mind.

 

I think I'm probably going to leave it for now and focus on working on my swing for the new season - have been working with my coach to tame a slightly wild backswing, and things are starting to improve massively, so don;t want to set myself back at this point getting used to new shafts/clubs. I'll look at it again later in the season - if I'm honest my ideal would be to go to a club builder and get the Nikes refurbished / rebuilt to my eaxct spec, as I bought them before custom fitting was so widespread so got lucky the S400's suit me that well. If there's anyone who can do that in Staffordshire in the UK I will be all ears :)

[Bigmean]

Nice redo deninny! Real sex appeal....

[Bigmean]

Wasn't sure if this was addressed, but can iblade players join this thread? :)

 

Anyone playing anything is welcome to join this thread. I would say that the iblade is not a MB or blades iron as we in here are all fans, but if you are into believing you make the difference and not your clubs, and like feedback and other things more traditional heads do offer, then by all means join the thread. Warning though, I can't promise you won't be talked into buying a set of older mizuno blades for under $200 to Pepsi challenge your iblades with and find out for yourself the difference between say an iblade or similar and real blades, not in an attempt to convert you though, just that this thread above all else is open mindednesss to deriving conclusions about golf clubs based on actual user interaction and not any outside noise. and even if you did do that and hated the real blades, you would still be more than welcome. Blades golf for most of us is about a mindset of digging game out of the dirt and the utter realization that clubs are clubs, all have pluses and minuses, and we as a group tend to just prefer the pros and cons of blades over other designs and we know that it is hogwash to assign a handicap needed to be able to score your best with ANY iron that you prefer.

[Bigmean]

So on that note, you all know how I am sorta in the market for a crazy JDM pcb set.....last time I did this and got the 501/MB001 combo set, deninny told me I would hate them and damn if I basically did. So I am not a slow learner as much as a constant adventurer??? Hahaha.

 

So we looked at a house today with an awesome 3 car garage...aka simulator room b*tches. We will offer but I am coming in a little too realistic for them I think, but we are going to get something soon. I thought about investing in a cheap set of real GI clubs. Like pings. I am seriously going to make a golf studio in my garage, and I seriously want to play with friends over beers and stuff regularly. This IS happening. As a good host, I will need a "rental" set for such occasions. So while I will slowly Ho JDM sets for my own amusement to use (I want to have 5 or 6 total sets again for simulator use), I will need a guest friendly set. Since I truly have zero desire to do anything but make the faces of my Miuras brown this summer, and I will need a loaner set, I thought it would be fun to put off the weird forged set (love the Geotech king cat posted, that is the style I am looking for) and instead get a full on GI set if I can steal a older set cheap since I will "need" them at some point and play a few rounds with those and just see how much better or worse they are for me scoring and gir etc. I won't waste too many rounds on it, but it may be fun? Of course it is moot I guess since what will happen is that it won't matter or I honeymoon and then fall off. That is what happened with my last cbs I looked a lot, the prgrs, shot a crazy low round (71 tied for best ever) was in love and shot 86 or some crap a week later hahaha. Stupid golf.

 

Oh yeah, not sure if I posted this, but I had my appendix removed last Sunday....so much for the lessons I wanted to start this month. I should be fine to swing full on in 3 weeks though, it is already almost normal feeling.

[Bigmean]

I'm hoping someone can provide me with some insights.

 

There are a set of heads (3 - 9) available on eBay that have Nagi "Classic" inscribed. I like the shape of the head, but have not been able to find any information on them for months.

 

Sorry I don't have images, but I can't figure out how to attach them.

 

Does anyone have any information?

 

PS - need these like another hole in the head but I have 4 sets of shafts in a corner of the garage that look lonely.

 

Cheers,

 

Mike.

 

Couldn't find them, I am intrigued....normally I wouldn't say post a link, it these sound safe from poachers hahaha.

 

Btw, Japanese auctions are brimming with awesome stuffs. I am hawking some Masda prototypes but they are just outside where I need to be to "justify" it to myself. I have done a really good job prioritizing needs and I think if anything..........God I hate to say this.....I may buy an epic driver if anything this year. When you really struggle with something it is easier to justify, just depends for any beat up ones come up cheap enough, but then part of me says I would be better off long term with something like the masda blades......I really want to hold off on ho floodgates until we get a house though.

 

Also at the Honda classic I priced pro putting greens from a company there that is local. Pretty steep at 13k for a getup that I would want, BUT, OMG totally pro and installed and they are really nice these days. I won't do anything that foolish, it to say it would be awesome is an understatement. My son spent 20 min on the one setup at the course. I may attempt a DIY , I am in construction and feel like if I had a true sense of the scope of work needed, I could install it and that would make it only a few K for the right turf....

 

Yes I know, I am all over the place.....my wife hates me.

[PeanutsDaddy]

Biggie,

 

If you search "Nagi iron heads" on eBay the heads should pop up. I can't find a single thing about them, but really like the look of the heads.

 

Also on the hunt for a new driver, but that's a whole different story.

[mahonie]

This is what I wasn't sure of - the current set have been superb with my only real complaint being the weaker lofts (PW is 49)

 

Don't think in terms of club numbers and whether clubs are weak or strong, think about then in terms of lofts.

 

As an example, if you were to buy a set of Cobra blades, you'd have a 46° PW. You would probably have to get a wedge to fill in the 50° gap. If you're like me, you might think about bending the 4 and 5 irons a bit stronger to have 4° lofts between the sets, which would leave you with 4-GW going from 22° to 50°.

 

Your Nikes are 3-PW from 23° to 49°. Very slightly different, but it's still largely the same loft spread being covered by eight clubs. :)

 

Going to have another look this afternoon - the MP4s I had a choice of all seemed to have X Stiff shafts, which may be a tad strong - I currently use S400s as like a heavier shift, seem a lot of MP4's on Golfbidder with C Taper 120s - how do they compare to S400s?

 

C Taper 120 will be roughly the same stiffness as DGS400. Might feel smoother, might not, opinions seem to vary. Trajectory may depend on you, as well, as opinions vary there, also.

 

What you would likely see is a reduction in spin. If you're a high spin player, C Tapers can provide some rather pleasant positives.

 

The little I've hit C Tapers, I've found them to hit the ball slightly lower, and they do appear to provide lower spin. Upwind shots have had better results with C Tapers than with DG on the set I've tested (only 7 and 8 irons, fwiw).

 

A problem with C Tapers, if you hit down and take healthy divots, they may not be for you. A fair number of folks have experienced the shaft tips bending in KBS shafts. Not sure if steps have been taken to rectify that. KBS has been good about replacing the shafts when bending occurs, but there's still down time involved.

 

You are quite correct with the lofts argument - in fact thinking about it I'm not entirely sure what I'd gain moving from a set that has 3i - 9i going through 23 to 45 (I've swapped the Nike PW for an Engage 50*) to a set that has 4i to PW covering the same lofts...I've never had too much of an issue with simply using a club more than I would with other irons, I suspect it's an excuse to justify new irons :)

 

Very interesting info on the KBS Shafts - they sounded perfect until the turf digging info - I do hit down into the back of the ball and can pick up some epic divots, so that would always be on the back of my mind.

 

I think I'm probably going to leave it for now and focus on working on my swing for the new season - have been working with my coach to tame a slightly wild backswing, and things are starting to improve massively, so don;t want to set myself back at this point getting used to new shafts/clubs. I'll look at it again later in the season - if I'm honest my ideal would be to go to a club builder and get the Nikes refurbished / rebuilt to my eaxct spec, as I bought them before custom fitting was so widespread so got lucky the S400's suit me that well. If there's anyone who can do that in Staffordshire in the UK I will be all ears :)

 

Bodhi, I play at The Staffordshire:-)...a club builder I have good experiences of is Melvyn Fern who has just moved to Rugeley:

 

http://www.fourcountiesgolf.co.uk/contact-us

 

He should be able to sort you out.

[Kingcat990]

I guess the question begs Peanuts, what shafts do you have lying around? Sounds like shafts need to be sold instead of heads to be bought :)

[PeanutsDaddy]

I guess the question begs Peanuts, what shafts do you have lying around? Sounds like shafts need to be sold instead of heads to be bought :)

 

A little of this . . .

 

a little of that . . .

 

as I tell wife.