George Gankas

[Hstead]

It's a feel thing, exactly like when I feel like my right arm never bends in the backswing.

 

He had me work on depth when I want to draw it.

 

 

[iteachgolf]

The COM backing up....the image he shows a lot..where it looks like the a** is sitting way over the right side...is an exaggeration of the move. Most good young players start with such a ridiculous bump over (and subsequent dump under plane) that he exaggerates the opposite to level them out.

For guys suffering from the exact opposite problem, he has a different way to tackle that issue.

That type of exaggeration would cause them problems. They'd stay on the right side.

 

This is why I asked the questions I did. I get the COM backing up is a feel but he says repeatedly in multiple sources that hips should stay centered and have no lateral motion from p4 to p6. So it at least appears to me that he wants hips to stay centered and simply rotate from p4 to p6 based on his own words and Heaths experience.

[jurr80]

Dan:

Watch his YouTube video showing a student standing in a shadow.

He'll demonstrate his concept of weight shift to the student, and he'll clearly demonstrate a difference between what's really happening and what his exaggeration is.

[Larry111]

The COM backing up....the image he shows a lot..where it looks like the a** is sitting way over the right side...is an exaggeration of the move. Most good young players start with such a ridiculous bump over (and subsequent dump under plane) that he exaggerates the opposite to level them out.

For guys suffering from the exact opposite problem, he has a different way to tackle that issue.

That type of exaggeration would cause them problems. They'd stay on the right side.

 

I was taught to post up on my left side. Yesterday I hit balls and transitioned by moving my tailbone around and away from the target. My rotation through the ball felt quick and very smooth.

 

In the video you mentioned showing a student in the shadow GG says his COM is backwards and his pressure feels 50/50.

[TB07]

Just wanted to try something different.

 

How long you been with GG and what ball flight differences are you seeing between the two philosophies?

[Hstead]

Just wanted to try something different.

 

How long you been with GG and what ball flight differences are you seeing between the two philosophies?

 

A month. Start line is better. Driver is more consistent. Hitting center of the face more. Just overall dispersion has improved. One way miss left.

 

Edit - that is compared to recent. Haven't been to JAX since July. I don't want this to be a comparison

[PowerPlayer]

I'm intrigued by the "Hanger" drill. Is that to work on face control? Are those drills explained in his GGSwingTips paid site? Thx

[jurr80]

I'm intrigued by the "Hanger" drill. Is that to work on face control? Are those drills explained in his GGSwingTips paid site? Thx

It all blends into his "match up" philosophy. Different degrees of wrist action blend in with different strengths of grip.

It's on his membership site.

[TB07]

Just wanted to try something different.

 

How long you been with GG and what ball flight differences are you seeing between the two philosophies?

 

A month. Start line is better. Driver is more consistent. Hitting center of the face more. Just overall dispersion has improved. One way miss left.

 

Edit - that is compared to recent. Haven't been to JAX since July. I don't want this to be a comparison

 

Wasn't taking it as a comparison, just seeing if you notice a shot shape differences with different patterns. Personally GG's stuff looks too spinny for me and I don't think it would work for me personally. I could see myself hitting wipe cuts and pulls. I do think some of his students do it well though and swings look good.

[PowerPlayer]

I'm intrigued by the "Hanger" drill. Is that to work on face control? Are those drills explained in his GGSwingTips paid site? Thx

It all blends into his "match up" philosophy. Different degrees of wrist action blend in with different strengths of grip.

It's on his membership site.

 

Thanks! Sounds like something I wouldn't want to mess with if I don't understand my pattern. Potential for "mismatching" if you will.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

The COM backing up....the image he shows a lot..where it looks like the a** is sitting way over the right side...is an exaggeration of the move. Most good young players start with such a ridiculous bump over (and subsequent dump under plane) that he exaggerates the opposite to level them out.

For guys suffering from the exact opposite problem, he has a different way to tackle that issue.

That type of exaggeration would cause them problems. They'd stay on the right side.

Great post.

[pingnewbie]

COM = center of mass?

[drewtaylor21]

The COM backing up....the image he shows a lot..where it looks like the a** is sitting way over the right side...is an exaggeration of the move. Most good young players start with such a ridiculous bump over (and subsequent dump under plane) that he exaggerates the opposite to level them out.

For guys suffering from the exact opposite problem, he has a different way to tackle that issue.

That type of exaggeration would cause them problems. They'd stay on the right side.

 

This is why I asked the questions I did. I get the COM backing up is a feel but he says repeatedly in multiple sources that hips should stay centered and have no lateral motion from p4 to p6. So it at least appears to me that he wants hips to stay centered and simply rotate from p4 to p6 based on his own words and Heaths experience.

 

I'd say even the hips staying centered p4-p6 is still just a feel though. Yes, he *says* to just rotate and not get lateral motion until p6 and the pelvis kicking up, but obviously the COP moves laterally, and in the picture of Wolff posted earlier, you can see he's moved left. I think it's just his way of teaching people to learn how to rotate and get the pivot involved. The lateral move happens naturally when you're doing the previous pieces correctly. I personally haven't seen a lot of success vice versa (moving laterally first and expecting rotation to happen naturally).

 

I think we can all agree that there is some danger in broadcasting pieces of the message to the masses, but it's also working for a lot of people.....especially those that are seeing him in person.

[QB74]

He is a teacher not a biomechanics scientist writing a technical paper what happens in the golf swing. He gets his job done really well and that's all what matters.

 

And about the question whether he wants the movement actually happen or whether it's just a feel he is talking about, just look at his own swing . he should have figured out by now how to implement all those movements in his own swing if he really thinks that's what should happen in a good swing. Does it do it like that? No. Pretty obvious it's either a drill or a feeling he is talking about.

[Golf nerd]

Big hype here about GG.

He knows how to promote himself.

And people get attracted as usual.

 

What I don't like of GG is his flashing of hand signs of satan...

https://www.instagra...swingtips&hl=de

 

GG says that lateral movement is slow. Really?

 

Can understand that he wants to promote that his way is superior, but as Dan and other have already stated, what GG says people shall do and what they really do is different. His transition move is in transition, but he shows it very exaggerated and I guess till P6 is way to late to pop out of it.

 

Edit:

And GG does it like this.

https://www.instagra...swingtips&hl=de

 

I think his concept is nothing new, but he creates a lot of hype. Actually his rotation move is what Kelvin Miyahira is talking for years.

Like this here:

[drewtaylor21]

Big hype here about GG.

He knows how to promote himself.

And people get attracted as usual.

 

What I don't like of GG is his flashing of hand signs of satan...

https://www.instagra...swingtips&hl=de

 

GG says that lateral movement is slow. Really?

 

Can understand that he wants to promote that his way is superior, but as Dan and other have already stated, what GG says people shall do and what they really do is different. His transition move is in transition, but he shows it very exaggerated and I guess till P6 is way to late to pop out of it.

 

Well, at least we can agree on one point in there...

[Golf nerd]

This from Kelvin is even 4 years old.

 

Nothing new under the sun with GG. Only the Instagram promotion is different.

Wonder how many seniors he is coaching that transition. :)

[Golf nerd]

 

 

Well, at least we can agree on one point in there...

 

The problem is that he is showing it till P6 and that is confusing. One has to listen very carefully to get the message right. Don't get me wrong, GG is doing a good job I guess and has success with youngsters.

[Golf nerd]

Here GG explains what he likes in terms of rotation/sliding.

Actually the set up of left hip is a reference for hip slide at impact.

[Golf nerd]

His model in the lesson with James was JS.

Here you can clearly see that JS is not sliding left thru impact. Very rotational. Think that is close what GG is promoting.

[QB74]

This from Kelvin is even 4 years old.

 

Nothing new under the sun with GG. Only the Instagram promotion is different.

Wonder how many seniors he is coaching that transition. :)

 

Agreed, but I can relate to his style of teaching much more than KMs.

[jgonz69]

Well this thread got infected again...

[QB74]

This is for me, but I use what George calls the "late throw" so basically the arms extend after impact.

 

Transition for me doesn't feel like I'm moving my tailbone right, it feels like my left knee is going down and around and my knees separate. I concentrate on having my pressure directly between my feet.

 

 

I actually feel like my arm is on my chest until impact. Key is having arms in front at the top.

 

Hstead, can you talk more about the late throw please? How did you get there? any specific drills GG had you do? Also GG says more distance with that throw - is that quantifiable?

[Etzwane]

How does one avoid pinning the left arm across the chest if you leave the hands up?

 

Schnee, I had the same thought but this video cleared it up for me.

 

 

I think it's about maintaining width with the arms as you rotate, and the feeling of keeping them up creates that. Just a feel.

 

Thanks, this on makes it much clearer to me, its a combination of squat/pivot AND hand action to "stay there" (kind of extensor action) that causes the shallowing of the shaft.

[Golf nerd]

 

 

Agreed, but I can relate to his style of teaching much more than KMs.

 

Fair enough!

[Golf nerd]

The shaft shallows when you rotate in transition and inertia of club is resisting to that forward pull of the handle.

The steeper the shaft the more shallow it will look in reaction to that move. That's why GG says not to pull the arms but let them follow.

If you pull handle down the shaft always steepens. Usually it is better not to pull down in transition, but it will happen later in the downswing anyway.

[Golf nerd]

According to GG his students don't have to pull the club down in front of them, if transition is more centered and rotational.

That seems to mean that hip slide requires arm pulling.

https://www.instagra...swingtips&hl=de

 

Maybe another cure for ballerina move?

[iteachgolf]

Dan:

Watch his YouTube video showing a student standing in a shadow.

He'll demonstrate his concept of weight shift to the student, and he'll clearly demonstrate a difference between what's really happening and what his exaggeration is.

 

I clearly watched it as I described it. He wants hips centered with no lateral motion at p6. And the exaggeration is to feel it moves back

[dpb5031]

The shaft shallows when you rotate in transition and inertia of club is resisting to that forward pull of the handle.

The steeper the shaft the more shallow it will look in reaction to that move. That's why GG says not to pull the arms but let them follow.

If you pull handle down the shaft always steepens. Usually it is better not to pull down in transition, but it will happen later in the downswing anyway.

 

Similar to what Slicefixer teaches and what you see with his better players

[jurr80]

This is for me, but I use what George calls the "late throw" so basically the arms extend after impact.

 

Transition for me doesn't feel like I'm moving my tailbone right, it feels like my left knee is going down and around and my knees separate. I concentrate on having my pressure directly between my feet.

 

 

I actually feel like my arm is on my chest until impact. Key is having arms in front at the top.

 

Hstead, can you talk more about the late throw please? How did you get there? any specific drills GG had you do? Also GG says more distance with that throw - is that quantifiable?