For those that have applied the GG pivot

[JDogg206]

Exactly. Freezers in the thinking box, then wipe it all out of thought and step into the shot. Pull the trigger.

 

I think that a lot of people can get tripped up by trying to do too much at a time. There are so many videos and insta clips that you can do yourself more harm than good. For me, I've had to go through trial and error to find 1 feel maybe 2 to work on at a time. Currently my only thought/feel is high hands on backswing *pause* left knee down and around. And holy crap is it working.

 

 

+1 Hstead. I find that GG's method is a very free flowing movement with no "restriction"

 

To those struggling to groove the swing. Something that helped me was doing the exaggerations in my pre shot routine.

 

Yep I go to p6 and then pause, and rotate through. I do that before most shots. Once I do it though I don't think about a single thing

[Golfbeat]

I'm beginning to think its not possible to implement this unless you see George in person. And living in England that's not gonna happen.

 

I thought I was making good progress last week, had some promising range sessions in the week and then the best one yet on Saturday. Turned up to play on Sunday and went to hit a small bucket on the range first...

 

I could barely make contact with the ball, everything was a horrible thin shot that went about head high and sliced right.

 

Abandoned it for the day and hit the course playing 'normally' without any thoughts about GGs method.

 

Had to hit the range again tonight to try and figure out what's going on.

 

Thought I had a major breakthrough when I was hitting little half shots at 75% speed just trying to pivot.

 

Couldn't even get close to replicating it on a full swing and then went back to the half swings again but I'd completely lost the feel

 

Right now I feel so frustrated and demoralised. I guess I just suck.

Have had trouble getting a feel for "sitting in the right" correctly in regards to having the right amount of pressure in each foot and saw a video last night where GG told Johnny to focus on keeping right knee outside right hip and turn. I was really striping them today at the range and finally was hitting some of the checkpoints I wanted consistently. It made it a lot easier for me not to stack up so much weight on the lead side in transition.

 

Have had trouble getting a feel for "sitting in the right" correctly in regards to having the right amount of pressure in each foot and saw a video last night where GG told Johnny to focus on keeping right knee outside right hip and turn. I was really striping them today at the range and finally was hitting some of the checkpoints I wanted consistently. It made it a lot easier for me not to stack up so much weight on the lead side in transition.

 

Exactly what I am finding out. DD's visual in one of his videos is giving a punch. This is really done from the back foot jumping up. The problem with the jumping up is that you can only do it after the pelvis has fully turned. This is where so many people, including me, go wrong: jumping/extending too early.

 

Watch at 2:20. It is gold.

[starsail85]

I'm beginning to think its not possible to implement this unless you see George in person. And living in England that's not gonna happen.

 

I thought I was making good progress last week, had some promising range sessions in the week and then the best one yet on Saturday. Turned up to play on Sunday and went to hit a small bucket on the range first...

 

I could barely make contact with the ball, everything was a horrible thin shot that went about head high and sliced right.

 

Abandoned it for the day and hit the course playing 'normally' without any thoughts about GGs method.

 

Had to hit the range again tonight to try and figure out what's going on.

 

Thought I had a major breakthrough when I was hitting little half shots at 75% speed just trying to pivot.

 

Couldn't even get close to replicating it on a full swing and then went back to the half swings again but I'd completely lost the feel

 

Right now I feel so frustrated and demoralised. I guess I just suck.

Have had trouble getting a feel for "sitting in the right" correctly in regards to having the right amount of pressure in each foot and saw a video last night where GG told Johnny to focus on keeping right knee outside right hip and turn. I was really striping them today at the range and finally was hitting some of the checkpoints I wanted consistently. It made it a lot easier for me not to stack up so much weight on the lead side in transition.

 

Have had trouble getting a feel for "sitting in the right" correctly in regards to having the right amount of pressure in each foot and saw a video last night where GG told Johnny to focus on keeping right knee outside right hip and turn. I was really striping them today at the range and finally was hitting some of the checkpoints I wanted consistently. It made it a lot easier for me not to stack up so much weight on the lead side in transition.

 

Exactly what I am finding out. DD's visual in one of his videos is giving a punch. This is really done from the back foot jumping up. The problem with the jumping up is that you can only do it after the pelvis has fully turned. This is where so many people, including me, go wrong: jumping/extending too early.

 

Watch at 2:20. It is gold.

 

Makes great sense

 

 

Have to open up before you extend

[CrabDaddy]

Oh yeah I'm definitely not giving up. And I know these things take time and a lot of reps.

 

I was pretty damn frustrated when I wrote that post so perhaps was a bit dramatic but it was just a real kick in the nuts.

 

I'll get back at it.

Pusb, I've been working on this (not as dilligently as others here, mind you) since winter. I thought I had the legwork down, but my path is way left. I asked the question earlier about whether or not Bender/ZJ's thought of speeding up the arms was compatible with GG (A: No) because thst's essentially what I've been doing - squat, throw the arms, extend - and I've had some of my best ballstriking to date.

I bring this up because, like you mentioned, it's difficult to learn remotely/second hand, and this may be something you and I don't master. BUT, many of the things and ways he teaches - the legwork, shallowing, freezers, exaggeration, etc... - will help even if you don't wind up looking like Johnny Ruiz. Good luck.

[MooreMikeA]

Thanks MooreMikeA, I will give that go. Are you finding more success with it now?

 

Yes I have had really good success since getting the club face more square. Instead of missing right and left almost all of my misses are pull or an over draw. That has really helped me on the course since I don't have to worry about missing right. Aim up a little bit right and swing away. Hsteads comments about not trying to pivot too fast also helped a great deal. You don't have to pivot at 100% speed to make this move work and get enough power.

[jbw749]

Thanks MooreMikeA, I will give that go. Are you finding more success with it now?

 

Yes I have had really good success since getting the club face more square. Instead of missing right and left almost all of my misses are pull or an over draw. That has really helped me on the course since I don't have to worry about missing right. Aim up a little bit right and swing away. Hsteads comments about not trying to pivot too fast also helped a great deal. You don't have to pivot at 100% speed to make this move work and get enough power.

 

This happened to me and aiming a little right turned into aiming ALOT right and basically playing a hook. I would not cheat and aim right. For me I do feel like I need the pivot working at 100% or its going left.

[Poser]

I can't seem to not drop it way to the inside doing this and hitting big draws or hooks.

[jbw749]

I can't seem to not drop it way to the inside doing this and hitting big draws or hooks.

 

I'm the same way. Both the remedies for me at least have been backswing related. Two things that have made a big difference are getting enough hip turn going back right leg almost straight, basically cannot turn hips back any farther and keeping the clubhead outside the hands during the takeaway.

[Golfonthemind]

For those frustrated about how long this takes, it seems to be a pretty slow process for us mortals out there trying it. I work on this and this only 3 times a week with a ton of freezers and film just about every swing. Week one if I hit 30 balls 3 of them were what I would consider good in the rotation/no slide department. By week 3 it's like 9 of 30. So still a failing grade but definite improvement. I have to feel as if there is somebody that is standing behind me that grabs onto my hands at the top of the backswing and won't let them go as I begin to open up my body in transition. On video the swings where I slide more are the ones where I fire the hands with the body all at once right from the top, then flip really hard.

[JDogg206]

To the guys in here struggling with the backswing; check out this video. This was the first major change I made when starting to adopt this method.

 

[jbw749]

To the guys in here struggling with the backswing; check out this video. This was the first major change I made when starting to adopt this method.

 

 

That video is awesome

[pusb365]

Well after my troubles yesterday I took some of your comments on board and had an interesting and promising range session tonight...

 

Started off by hitting about 50 half shots in slow motion with PW and 8i and was really pleased.

 

Then onto full shots with the 8i and again it was very pleasing, I was hitting a nice high cut. Distance and accuracy was very consistent.

 

The surprising bit is when I looked at my swing on film there was only a slight squat and slight external rotation of the L knee but it felt like I was doing a huge squat and turn!

 

It's progress though, and while I didn't expect to look like Johnny it felt like I was doing a much more pronounced squat and turn.

 

Most importantly though the ballstriking was as good as I've had in a range session, and as an added bonus I didn't feel knackered afterwards like I normally do.

[soundedgoodtho]

What do you mean by knackered? Do you have knee pains from applying this method usually?

 

Just curious as I suffer from knee pain in my right knee.

 

[Bobalu]

What do you mean by knackered? Do you have knee pains from applying this method usually?

 

Just curious as I suffer from knee pain in my right knee.

 

 

 

5. I get knackered after I hit range balls for two hours with a 105 degree heat index.

[Bobalu]

Clay Ballard basically now teaching the GG/DD swing to correct sliding, hip stalling, and early extension:

 

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[ShutSteepStuck]

Oh yeah I'm definitely not giving up. And I know these things take time and a lot of reps.

 

I was pretty damn frustrated when I wrote that post so perhaps was a bit dramatic but it was just a real kick in the nuts.

 

I'll get back at it.

Pusb, I've been working on this (not as dilligently as others here, mind you) since winter. I thought I had the legwork down, but my path is way left. I asked the question earlier about whether or not Bender/ZJ's thought of speeding up the arms was compatible with GG (A: No) because thst's essentially what I've been doing - squat, throw the arms, extend - and I've had some of my best ballstriking to date.

I bring this up because, like you mentioned, it's difficult to learn remotely/second hand, and this may be something you and I don't master. BUT, many of the things and ways he teaches - the legwork, shallowing, freezers, exaggeration, etc... - will help even if you don't wind up looking like Johnny Ruiz. Good luck.

 

Throwing the arms, unless by that one means pushing them away from the top, doesn't allow gravity upon the club to shallow things. Here's a good video about how the weight of the club helps shallow the club at/after transition. Pretty much what Geo teaches but he generally speaks of "the pivot" shallowing the club.

 

[JDogg206]

Great stuff right there.

Clay Ballard basically now teaching the GG/DD swing to correct sliding, hip stalling, and early extension:

 

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See also: "Left Leg in Crazy Detail":

[Santiago Golf]

I was at the US Womens Open today. It is scary how many of them were using the move or something similar.

[Hoganstriker]

From Byron Nelson to Ben Hogan the left hip gets forward. How does this relate to GG Dd motion? Are they saying something different from the greats?

Look at the left hip go lateral

[PutterKilledTheDream]

From Byron Nelson to Ben Hogan the left hip gets forward. How does this relate to GG Dd motion? Are they saying something different from the greats?

Look at the left hip go lateral

No brah. Their saying you can use the ground more effectively and generate more speed by having the intent to get more rotational. The hip still moves laterally, but for many of us who were taught or have fought the tendency to slide it's a great feel.

 

Slide, dump, stall, flip.... pretty common move for juniors trying to pound it.

[soundedgoodtho]

From Byron Nelson to Ben Hogan the left hip gets forward. How does this relate to GG Dd motion? Are they saying something different from the greats?

Look at the left hip go lateral

 

It's quite amazing that hogan had it so close to what we now know from scientific data from dr kwon. The lateral slide acted as a way for hogan to keep the left side out of reach. But by leveraging against the ground and turning the hips, you can do lots of good things (shallow out, stabilize start line, power, Etc). If I recall correctly, I read a post that the less the hips slide vs turn, the greater power you can create through the shot a la Jamie sadlowski.

[Hoganstriker]

I'm just saying if you look at what's been the most effective it's a weight transfer then rotation. There's lateral motion blended with rotation in reality of what has been shown to work.

[Kuuuch]

I'm just saying if you look at what's been the most effective it's a weight transfer then rotation. There's lateral motion blended with rotation in reality of what has been shown to work.

 

And that's exactly what putter just answered. Everyone is going to have some lateral motion and rotation. GG's work is for the very high % of golfers who stand up in the golf swing and stall out.

[CrabDaddy]

Oh yeah I'm definitely not giving up. And I know these things take time and a lot of reps.

 

I was pretty damn frustrated when I wrote that post so perhaps was a bit dramatic but it was just a real kick in the nuts.

 

I'll get back at it.

Pusb, I've been working on this (not as dilligently as others here, mind you) since winter. I thought I had the legwork down, but my path is way left. I asked the question earlier about whether or not Bender/ZJ's thought of speeding up the arms was compatible with GG (A: No) because thst's essentially what I've been doing - squat, throw the arms, extend - and I've had some of my best ballstriking to date.

I bring this up because, like you mentioned, it's difficult to learn remotely/second hand, and this may be something you and I don't master. BUT, many of the things and ways he teaches - the legwork, shallowing, freezers, exaggeration, etc... - will help even if you don't wind up looking like Johnny Ruiz. Good luck.

 

Throwing the arms, unless by that one means pushing them away from the top, doesn't allow gravity upon the club to shallow things. Here's a good video about how the weight of the club helps shallow the club at/after transition. Pretty much what Geo teaches but he generally speaks of "the pivot" shallowing the club.

 

Thanks. I was not advocating that, and hopefully didn't confuse anybody. My point was that if somebody is struggling, a lot of what George teaches can still be helpful. As an example, I've managed to hybridize the legwork and the P6 freezers with a different arm intent to get a swing that works for me until I can, hopefully, figure out what I'm not getting right with his model.

And, FWIW, I'm still on the steep side - fade it all day.

[games]

I'm just saying if you look at what's been the most effective it's a weight transfer then rotation. There's lateral motion blended with rotation in reality of what has been shown to work.

 

And that's exactly what putter just answered. Everyone is going to have some lateral motion and rotation. GG's work is for the very high % of golfers who stand up in the golf swing and stall out.

 

I'm still not fully into GG's "sit on the trail leg" move as I don't trust my back to respond well to it.

 

So, thanks to Bobalu for sharing the Ballard video.

Also, I saw the following video on our own golfwrx website. It suggests that a small amount of lead leg "slack" on the backswing can actually enable the squat move on the downswing.

 

[jbw749]

Hstead or anyone,

 

Are we basically going for the feeling of having no secondary axis tilt especially on the downswing?

In this video he suggests to take it out at address because he's going to take it out by the top of the swing anyway.

Then coming down I definitely can't get the rotation or extension if I have much secondary tilt.

 

I've been hitting it good with rotation just focusing on keeping the spine perpendicular to the ground on the downswing. This also enables me to hit a cut.

 

 

[jimithng23]

I'm just saying if you look at what's been the most effective it's a weight transfer then rotation. There's lateral motion blended with rotation in reality of what has been shown to work.

 

And that's exactly what putter just answered. Everyone is going to have some lateral motion and rotation. GG's work is for the very high % of golfers who stand up in the golf swing and stall out.

 

I'm still not fully into GG's "sit on the trail leg" move as I don't trust my back to respond well to it.

 

So, thanks to Bobalu for sharing the Ballard video.

Also, I saw the following video on our own golfwrx website. It suggests that a small amount of lead leg "slack" on the backswing can actually enable the squat move on the downswing.

 

 

I think this is where we need to exercise caution if we're taking GGs concept from youtube and IG and attempting to apply it. We may not fully understand the concept well enough to implement it into our swing.

 

Having said that, as a paid member of GGs site I'm finding there's so much content sometimes the fundamentals of his concept can get lost. Especially on a 1-year amateur hack like me trying to implement this concept on my own.

 

Someone above posted the short video of Johnny Ruiz's lesson. GG had him forget the arms, pivot, and move through. I went back to a couple of vids on his site and found a part I had been missing and I think it's crucial to the move.

 

The left hip goes down then external... I think we could debate all day long whether there's lateral movement here or not. However, that's not what GG wants especially for the feel. When the left hip goes external, the right knee goes into flexion. During this move - and this is where I was doing it incorrectly - *pressure* is about 50/50 on each foot. The outside 3 toes of the left foot and the ball of the right foot.

 

Not weight, but *pressure*.

 

What I had been doing wrong was most of the pressure was going on the right foot. This causes the left hip to stall and not go fully external, which means I'm dead, and have to come OTT and flip to get to the ball.

 

When done correctly, at P6 the hips are cleared (30* to 45*), the shoulders are square to the target, face is 15* to 25* closed, and you're set to rotate and fire the right side through the ball to the target.

 

Yesterday I hit the range in the morning and did more slow motion/checkpoint work at home. I was rotating much better and finding myself getting to P6 and hitting all the checkpoints.

 

Still a work in progress to go full swing but I'm definitely seeing positive results on the range and in my practice work at home.

[soundedgoodtho]

I'm just saying if you look at what's been the most effective it's a weight transfer then rotation. There's lateral motion blended with rotation in reality of what has been shown to work.

 

And that's exactly what putter just answered. Everyone is going to have some lateral motion and rotation. GG's work is for the very high % of golfers who stand up in the golf swing and stall out.

 

I'm still not fully into GG's "sit on the trail leg" move as I don't trust my back to respond well to it.

 

So, thanks to Bobalu for sharing the Ballard video.

Also, I saw the following video on our own golfwrx website. It suggests that a small amount of lead leg "slack" on the backswing can actually enable the squat move on the downswing.

 

 

I think this is where we need to exercise caution if we're taking GGs concept from youtube and IG and attempting to apply it. We may not fully understand the concept well enough to implement it into our swing.

 

Having said that, as a paid member of GGs site I'm finding there's so much content sometimes the fundamentals of his concept can get lost. Especially on a 1-year amateur hack like me trying to implement this concept on my own.

 

Someone above posted the short video of Johnny Ruiz's lesson. GG had him forget the arms, pivot, and move through. I went back to a couple of vids on his site and found a part I had been missing and I think it's crucial to the move.

 

The left hip goes down then external... I think we could debate all day long whether there's lateral movement here or not. However, that's not what GG wants especially for the feel. When the left hip goes external, the right knee goes into flexion. During this move - and this is where I was doing it incorrectly - *pressure* is about 50/50 on each foot. The outside 3 toes of the left foot and the ball of the right foot.

 

Not weight, but *pressure*.

 

What I had been doing wrong was most of the pressure was going on the right foot. This causes the left hip to stall and not go fully external, which means I'm dead, and have to come OTT and flip to get to the ball.

 

When done correctly, at P6 the hips are cleared (30* to 45*), the shoulders are square to the target, face is 15* to 25* closed, and you're set to rotate and fire the right side through the ball to the target.

 

Yesterday I hit the range in the morning and did more slow motion/checkpoint work at home. I was rotating much better and finding myself getting to P6 and hitting all the checkpoints.

 

Still a work in progress to go full swing but I'm definitely seeing positive results on the range and in my practice work at home.

 

 

Thanks a lot for the reply, it's great to get insight from someone who has access to his paid site. It sounds like it's much more in depth than the Instagram or YouTube videos. I think that it's important to mention than 'feel' of 50/50 or 40/60 etc is different as everyone's patterns are slightly different from one another. Because my lateral slide and pressure shift is so quick relative to my turn, I have great success when 'feeling' like my weight stays back the entire time on my right knee, which also helps me keep it from going internal.

[jimithng23]

I'm just saying if you look at what's been the most effective it's a weight transfer then rotation. There's lateral motion blended with rotation in reality of what has been shown to work.

 

And that's exactly what putter just answered. Everyone is going to have some lateral motion and rotation. GG's work is for the very high % of golfers who stand up in the golf swing and stall out.

 

I'm still not fully into GG's "sit on the trail leg" move as I don't trust my back to respond well to it.

 

So, thanks to Bobalu for sharing the Ballard video.

Also, I saw the following video on our own golfwrx website. It suggests that a small amount of lead leg "slack" on the backswing can actually enable the squat move on the downswing.

 

 

I think this is where we need to exercise caution if we're taking GGs concept from youtube and IG and attempting to apply it. We may not fully understand the concept well enough to implement it into our swing.

 

Having said that, as a paid member of GGs site I'm finding there's so much content sometimes the fundamentals of his concept can get lost. Especially on a 1-year amateur hack like me trying to implement this concept on my own.

 

Someone above posted the short video of Johnny Ruiz's lesson. GG had him forget the arms, pivot, and move through. I went back to a couple of vids on his site and found a part I had been missing and I think it's crucial to the move.

 

The left hip goes down then external... I think we could debate all day long whether there's lateral movement here or not. However, that's not what GG wants especially for the feel. When the left hip goes external, the right knee goes into flexion. During this move - and this is where I was doing it incorrectly - *pressure* is about 50/50 on each foot. The outside 3 toes of the left foot and the ball of the right foot.

 

Not weight, but *pressure*.

 

What I had been doing wrong was most of the pressure was going on the right foot. This causes the left hip to stall and not go fully external, which means I'm dead, and have to come OTT and flip to get to the ball.

 

When done correctly, at P6 the hips are cleared (30* to 45*), the shoulders are square to the target, face is 15* to 25* closed, and you're set to rotate and fire the right side through the ball to the target.

 

Yesterday I hit the range in the morning and did more slow motion/checkpoint work at home. I was rotating much better and finding myself getting to P6 and hitting all the checkpoints.

 

Still a work in progress to go full swing but I'm definitely seeing positive results on the range and in my practice work at home.

 

 

Thanks a lot for the reply, it's great to get insight from someone who has access to his paid site. It sounds like it's much more in depth than the Instagram or YouTube videos. I think that it's important to mention than 'feel' of 50/50 or 40/60 etc is different as everyone's patterns are slightly different from one another. Because my lateral slide and pressure shift is so quick relative to my turn, I have great success when 'feeling' like my weight stays back the entire time on my right knee, which also helps me keep it from going internal.

 

The other 'feel' I'm struggling with ingraining is the right shoulder going external during the pivot.

 

When I get everything right, it feels like freakin magic - shots are so pure, I get more distance, accuracy, everything... it's the consistency I'm after and I realize that is going to take a lot of time.

 

GG himself told one of his students when he discovered this move, it took him a little over 3 months to get it right. So...there's hope!

[games]

I'm just saying if you look at what's been the most effective it's a weight transfer then rotation. There's lateral motion blended with rotation in reality of what has been shown to work.

 

And that's exactly what putter just answered. Everyone is going to have some lateral motion and rotation. GG's work is for the very high % of golfers who stand up in the golf swing and stall out.

 

I'm still not fully into GG's "sit on the trail leg" move as I don't trust my back to respond well to it.

 

So, thanks to Bobalu for sharing the Ballard video.

Also, I saw the following video on our own golfwrx website. It suggests that a small amount of lead leg "slack" on the backswing can actually enable the squat move on the downswing.

 

 

I think this is where we need to exercise caution if we're taking GGs concept from youtube and IG and attempting to apply it. We may not fully understand the concept well enough to implement it into our swing.

 

Or, we may simply have awareness of what moves work, and don't work, with our respective physiological make-ups.