For those that have applied the GG pivot

[Dave D]

Kuchhhh - that is impressive, more open and the right heel is closer to the ground. How has your ball flight, consistency, and miss changed?

 

Regarding the secondary tilt, here is what George would want to see.

 

He wants the left hip to feel like it is lower on the downswing than the right hip, with the left knee going down and around. In reality, the belt line should be fairly level at p6, but for most to get there, you are going to feel like you are leaning toward the target. This is very similar to Kelvin M's left pelvic tilt he talks about with long hitters.

 

So with the belt level, and the left hip feeling lower, the upper body is going to be either straight up and down or leaning toward the target. So, he wants the upper body to have some right lateral bend, which is different from right side bend. Side bending would be lower, bending to your right from the hip area. Right lateral bend is higher, like bending from the bottom or your ribs. The right lateral bend offsets the left pelvic tilt and gets the club more on plane.

 

What he does not want to see, that most do, is right side bending, adding a bunch of tilt away from the target, right hip low and left hip high, hips moving toward the target etc. The reason he does not like to see that position or move, is he feels that it slows your rotation, causes the stall and flip. Plus a goat hump.

 

I know there is an old instagram of him showing this move, left hip down, then what he calls "onkie doink" when he pushes on his right side with his finger and right lateral bends.

 

You do not want to right lateral bend too early though as that will get you dumped under plane. The shoulders should be close to parallel to the ground at p6.

 

As for the lateral motion, Ghost hit the nail on the head. He doesn't care to see 2" or so. He will tell you all day every day there are plenty of Tour players moving a ton toward the target with the hips. He thinks more rotation creates a more stable face, ie slower closure rate, which equals more consistent start line control, and more speed to boot.

 

It is really difficult to argue with the guys results. His students are killing it and the kids are getting D1 offers from the likes of USC, Okla St., UCLA etc.

 

These are good:

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

 

And finally here is the one I was looking for

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

GOLD

[Dave D]

Clay Ballard basically now teaching the GG/DD swing to correct sliding, hip stalling, and early extension:

 

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I really like this video, thanks for sharing

[jimithng23]

(dup post...sorry guys!)

[jimithng23]

Kuchhhh - that is impressive, more open and the right heel is closer to the ground. How has your ball flight, consistency, and miss changed?

 

Regarding the secondary tilt, here is what George would want to see.

 

He wants the left hip to feel like it is lower on the downswing than the right hip, with the left knee going down and around. In reality, the belt line should be fairly level at p6, but for most to get there, you are going to feel like you are leaning toward the target. This is very similar to Kelvin M's left pelvic tilt he talks about with long hitters.

 

So with the belt level, and the left hip feeling lower, the upper body is going to be either straight up and down or leaning toward the target. So, he wants the upper body to have some right lateral bend, which is different from right side bend. Side bending would be lower, bending to your right from the hip area. Right lateral bend is higher, like bending from the bottom or your ribs. The right lateral bend offsets the left pelvic tilt and gets the club more on plane.

 

What he does not want to see, that most do, is right side bending, adding a bunch of tilt away from the target, right hip low and left hip high, hips moving toward the target etc. The reason he does not like to see that position or move, is he feels that it slows your rotation, causes the stall and flip. Plus a goat hump.

 

I know there is an old instagram of him showing this move, left hip down, then what he calls "onkie doink" when he pushes on his right side with his finger and right lateral bends.

 

You do not want to right lateral bend too early though as that will get you dumped under plane. The shoulders should be close to parallel to the ground at p6.

 

As for the lateral motion, Ghost hit the nail on the head. He doesn't care to see 2" or so. He will tell you all day every day there are plenty of Tour players moving a ton toward the target with the hips. He thinks more rotation creates a more stable face, ie slower closure rate, which equals more consistent start line control, and more speed to boot.

 

It is really difficult to argue with the guys results. His students are killing it and the kids are getting D1 offers from the likes of USC, Okla St., UCLA etc.

 

These are good:

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

 

And finally here is the one I was looking for

 

https://www.instagra...-by=ggswingtips

GOLD

 

My sentiments, exactly. Thank you for posting these links hstead!

[sbark]

Trying to persuade several promising young Jr. golfers to look at GG teachings................Anyone have a current list of top students already at high Div. I programs and those recently committed to top level college programs to throw at these kids.........

thanks in advance.

[Kuuuch]

Trying to persuade several promising young Jr. golfers to look at GG teachings................Anyone have a current list of top students already at high Div. I programs and those recently committed to top level college programs to throw at these kids.........

thanks in advance.

 

All I know is he is constantly posting his students winning tournaments on his instagram with rounds in the 60's. And half the time all the runner ups are also his students

[pusb365]

Went out for 9 holes tonight, the first time taking the GG move to the course.

 

Results were very good, bar a couple of slices with the longer irons.

 

I've only been hitting shorter irons so far while working on the move (partly because it's easier to practice and partly because the range I've mostly been practicing on is only 200 yards). So I was a bit nervous trying it with driver, seeing as I'd not hit anything longer than an 8 iron with the move before...

 

But it was great and I hit the longest drive of my life!

 

322 yards, not as long as some of you guys I know, but that's amazing for me, i think my previous best was probably around 305, so it's a ridiculous increase.

 

I normally get very armsy with driver, but it felt so good to have a proper rotation and clear the hips leaving space for the arms. As soon as I hit I knew that's what hitting driver is supposed to feel like.

 

I videoed a few of my swings tonight and my right knee is coming up too soon and right knee kicking in too much, but I can't really complain too much given the results. I look so much more open at impact and it looks great (to me)!

[Lefty_3Jack]

Just casually doing some mirror stuff at the house and some pump drills doing this I'm going to rupture my rear achilles trying to do this! I don't know how you guys do the external lead knee without the trail following like that and not hurt yourself. I'm not an old, un-flexible guy either.

[zenman4711]

Just casually doing some mirror stuff at the house and some pump drills doing this I'm going to rupture my rear achilles trying to do this! I don't know how you guys do the external lead knee without the trail following like that and not hurt yourself. I'm not an old, un-flexible guy either.

 

I just tried this without a ball and felt like I was pinching my knees together during address and when you squat, the knees do flare out. Hopefully get to range tomorrow and try it.

 

From an earlier post by mws92:

 

Couple of things that have helped for myself (right knee kicker) ... All for a RH golfer below

 

- get a small ball to put between your legs (he's used it in a couple videos) either between the knees or slightly above them

 

- as you finish your backswing you want to let the left hip go internal (should feel a little squeeze on the ball) ... If your left leg is just going into flexion your knees won't get closer & you won't feel the squeeze on the ball (I was cheating with this flexion move and never moving pressure to right side)

 

- start the squat move while your hips are closed and your left leg is internal as it will force the hip/knee to fly open externally and the ball will drop

 

- because you are squatting from the start of downswing your right knee should be overtop of your right foot and then going into flexion as you start the downswing

 

For me just letting the left leg open would drag the right knee because I wasn't applying any squat or down pressure. The tension from applying the pressure is what gets both hips external in the Snead-look.

[Bobalu]

GG, Johnny Ruiz, and Matt Wolff swings have similarities with Ledbetter's "A" swing with regards to the backswing and downswing moves. Others here have noted this previously. Clay Ballard has an interesting and unbiased video on the "A" swing, and what to watch out for if you overdo it, as he predicts many eventually will. This probably applies to the GG preferred model as well.

 

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[jbw749]

Kuchhhh - that is impressive, more open and the right heel is closer to the ground. How has your ball flight, consistency, and miss changed?

 

Regarding the secondary tilt, here is what George would want to see.

 

He wants the left hip to feel like it is lower on the downswing than the right hip, with the left knee going down and around. In reality, the belt line should be fairly level at p6, but for most to get there, you are going to feel like you are leaning toward the target. This is very similar to Kelvin M's left pelvic tilt he talks about with long hitters.

 

So with the belt level, and the left hip feeling lower, the upper body is going to be either straight up and down or leaning toward the target. So, he wants the upper body to have some right lateral bend, which is different from right side bend. Side bending would be lower, bending to your right from the hip area. Right lateral bend is higher, like bending from the bottom or your ribs. The right lateral bend offsets the left pelvic tilt and gets the club more on plane.

 

What he does not want to see, that most do, is right side bending, adding a bunch of tilt away from the target, right hip low and left hip high, hips moving toward the target etc. The reason he does not like to see that position or move, is he feels that it slows your rotation, causes the stall and flip. Plus a goat hump.

 

I know there is an old instagram of him showing this move, left hip down, then what he calls "onkie doink" when he pushes on his right side with his finger and right lateral bends.

 

You do not want to right lateral bend too early though as that will get you dumped under plane. The shoulders should be close to parallel to the ground at p6.

 

As for the lateral motion, Ghost hit the nail on the head. He doesn't care to see 2" or so. He will tell you all day every day there are plenty of Tour players moving a ton toward the target with the hips. He thinks more rotation creates a more stable face, ie slower closure rate, which equals more consistent start line control, and more speed to boot.

 

It is really difficult to argue with the guys results. His students are killing it and the kids are getting D1 offers from the likes of USC, Okla St., UCLA etc.

 

These are good:

 

 

 

 

 

And finally here is the one I was looking for

 

 

Heath,

 

Hof post. You answered my question about secondary tilt perfectly. I had heard him talk about lateral tilt before and had no idea it was different from side bend.

The oinky doink is really a pretty easy place to focus on surprisingly.

 

[Kuuuch]

Anyone know what GG says about right arm bend at top of backswing? I was trying everything under the sun today to see a shorter backswing and I finally found something I saw a difference in. I tried to feel like once my right arm started bending I didn't let it bend anymore...could be a terrible idea but here's a pic of it. There's certainly less bend in my right arm but the ones I got to hit with this feel before the storm came in were crushed. Could be similar idea to gaining width? But indirectly shortened backswing?

 

 

[Bobalu]

Anyone know what GG says about right arm bend at top of backswing? I was trying everything under the sun today to see a shorter backswing and I finally found something I saw a difference in. I tried to feel like once my right arm started bending I didn't let it bend anymore...could be a terrible idea but here's a pic of it. There's certainly less bend in my right arm but the ones I got to hit with this feel before the storm came in were crushed. Could be similar idea to gaining width? But indirectly shortened backswing?

 

 

 

Here is my understanding. In his stock swing, GG wants the right elbow to bend to at least 90* at the top of the backswing. He wants you to maintain your right elbow bend on the downswing. He has no problems with increasing right elbow bend by extending hands away at the start of the downswing- like Sergio Garcia. He wants this width maintained to avoid arc narrowing and to help shallow the shaft on downswing. Go to 4:45 mark on this video for GG demo:

 

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[Llortamaisey]

I've also heard that he wants your right forearm to parallel your spine angle at the top of your backswing. That means that your right arm is internal.

 

[sethdavidsdad]

Anyone know what GG says about right arm bend at top of backswing? I was trying everything under the sun today to see a shorter backswing and I finally found something I saw a difference in. I tried to feel like once my right arm started bending I didn't let it bend anymore...could be a terrible idea but here's a pic of it. There's certainly less bend in my right arm but the ones I got to hit with this feel before the storm came in were crushed. Could be similar idea to gaining width? But indirectly shortened backswing?

 

 

 

Here is my understanding. In his stock swing, GG wants the right elbow to bend to at least 90* at the top of the backswing. He wants you to maintain your right elbow bend on the downswing. He has no problems with increasing right elbow bend by extending hands away at the start of the downswing- like Sergio Garcia. He wants this width maintained to avoid arc narrowing and to help shallow the shaft on downswing. Go to 4:45 mark on this video for GG demo:

 

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Great video

 

Anyone know what GG says about right arm bend at top of backswing? I was trying everything under the sun today to see a shorter backswing and I finally found something I saw a difference in. I tried to feel like once my right arm started bending I didn't let it bend anymore...could be a terrible idea but here's a pic of it. There's certainly less bend in my right arm but the ones I got to hit with this feel before the storm came in were crushed. Could be similar idea to gaining width? But indirectly shortened backswing?

 

Looks like it got you hands higher

[Kuuuch]

Anyone know what GG says about right arm bend at top of backswing? I was trying everything under the sun today to see a shorter backswing and I finally found something I saw a difference in. I tried to feel like once my right arm started bending I didn't let it bend anymore...could be a terrible idea but here's a pic of it. There's certainly less bend in my right arm but the ones I got to hit with this feel before the storm came in were crushed. Could be similar idea to gaining width? But indirectly shortened backswing?

 

 

 

Here is my understanding. In his stock swing, GG wants the right elbow to bend to at least 90* at the top of the backswing. He wants you to maintain your right elbow bend on the downswing. He has no problems with increasing right elbow bend by extending hands away at the start of the downswing- like Sergio Garcia. He wants this width maintained to avoid arc narrowing and to help shallow the shaft on downswing. Go to 4:45 mark on this video for GG demo:

 

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Great video

Anyone know what GG says about right arm bend at top of backswing? I was trying everything under the sun today to see a shorter backswing and I finally found something I saw a difference in. I tried to feel like once my right arm started bending I didn't let it bend anymore...could be a terrible idea but here's a pic of it. There's certainly less bend in my right arm but the ones I got to hit with this feel before the storm came in were crushed. Could be similar idea to gaining width? But indirectly shortened backswing?

 

Looks like it got you hands higher

 

I saw that as well. More width would equal higher hands, assuming a good turn correct?

[sethdavidsdad]

Anyone know what GG says about right arm bend at top of backswing? I was trying everything under the sun today to see a shorter backswing and I finally found something I saw a difference in. I tried to feel like once my right arm started bending I didn't let it bend anymore...could be a terrible idea but here's a pic of it. There's certainly less bend in my right arm but the ones I got to hit with this feel before the storm came in were crushed. Could be similar idea to gaining width? But indirectly shortened backswing?

 

 

 

Here is my understanding. In his stock swing, GG wants the right elbow to bend to at least 90* at the top of the backswing. He wants you to maintain your right elbow bend on the downswing. He has no problems with increasing right elbow bend by extending hands away at the start of the downswing- like Sergio Garcia. He wants this width maintained to avoid arc narrowing and to help shallow the shaft on downswing. Go to 4:45 mark on this video for GG demo:

 

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Great video

Anyone know what GG says about right arm bend at top of backswing? I was trying everything under the sun today to see a shorter backswing and I finally found something I saw a difference in. I tried to feel like once my right arm started bending I didn't let it bend anymore...could be a terrible idea but here's a pic of it. There's certainly less bend in my right arm but the ones I got to hit with this feel before the storm came in were crushed. Could be similar idea to gaining width? But indirectly shortened backswing?

 

Looks like it got you hands higher

 

I saw that as well. More width would equal higher hands, assuming a good turn correct?

I would think so, also notice the space between right elbow and torso. That's good separation as long as it doesn't colaspe at the top

[mws92]

Just casually doing some mirror stuff at the house and some pump drills doing this I'm going to rupture my rear achilles trying to do this! I don't know how you guys do the external lead knee without the trail following like that and not hurt yourself. I'm not an old, un-flexible guy either.

 

post a face-on video so we can see what is going on

[mws92]

Just casually doing some mirror stuff at the house and some pump drills doing this I'm going to rupture my rear achilles trying to do this! I don't know how you guys do the external lead knee without the trail following like that and not hurt yourself. I'm not an old, un-flexible guy either.

 

I just tried this without a ball and felt like I was pinching my knees together during address and when you squat, the knees do flare out. Hopefully get to range tomorrow and try it.

 

From an earlier post by mws92:

 

Couple of things that have helped for myself (right knee kicker) ... All for a RH golfer below

 

- get a small ball to put between your legs (he's used it in a couple videos) either between the knees or slightly above them

 

- as you finish your backswing you want to let the left hip go internal (should feel a little squeeze on the ball) ... If your left leg is just going into flexion your knees won't get closer & you won't feel the squeeze on the ball (I was cheating with this flexion move and never moving pressure to right side)

 

- start the squat move while your hips are closed and your left leg is internal as it will force the hip/knee to fly open externally and the ball will drop

 

- because you are squatting from the start of downswing your right knee should be overtop of your right foot and then going into flexion as you start the downswing

 

For me just letting the left leg open would drag the right knee because I wasn't applying any squat or down pressure. The tension from applying the pressure is what gets both hips external in the Snead-look.

 

One thing I forgot to add:

 

- pressuring the left foot during the transition while the left leg is still internal will maintain your left hip lower (left pelvic tilt)

 

- this will throw the left knee open / left hip external

[Cape]

George has an ideal, and then he has his match ups, so he actually has several different ways to do it depending on the other parts of the swing. His "ideal" is for the right arm to gradually bend and it basically has a ratio that matches the shoulder turn.

 

I can't recall exactly so I may make a mistake here, but it goes something like this for his "ideal" backswing and right arm:

Shoulders start swing, when they turn 30* by p2, right arm has reduced from straight 30 so 150* hips barely moved, at p3 shoulders are 60, right arm would be 120* and hips 30, p4 shoulders at 90 right arm at 90* and hips 45,. This is ideal. He also likes to see less bend at the top, so right arm at 100 is fine, but you shouldn't bend the right arm more than 90, so having an angle at the top with your right arm at 75 would be no bueno. He also likes to see that 90* increases from the top, staying wide. The difference from some other instructors is that he doesn't want you to intentionally straighten it, he wants the pivot to put so much force on your hands at the top that you try to resist straightening it but it is going to happen because you keep your hands wide. This is "leaving the hands up".

 

P6 check point would be the "curl position". And keeping some amount of right arm bend into impact. In George's own swing, I think he has less than 90 at the top because he said one of his big keys personally when he plays is to make sure he makes a big turn and that his arms are short.

 

 

 

GOLD!

[Golfbeat]

GG, Johnny Ruiz, and Matt Wolff swings have similarities with Ledbetter's "A" swing with regards to the backswing and downswing moves. Others here have noted this previously. Clay Ballard has an interesting and unbiased video on the "A" swing, and what to watch out for if you overdo it, as he predicts many eventually will. This probably applies to the GG preferred model as well.

 

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I my experience it is better to slightly err on the side of a steeper back swing than a flat one. I therefore think that the A swing back swing has a lot of merit for GG's model.

[Bobalu]

I also prefer a slightly steeper backswing and I like Kuchhhhhh's high top of backswing position. I'm not sold on the full "crossover" position at the top that is GG's own personal preference, and which he teaches a lot of his students. I understand why he likes it though. Of course, GG doesn't really care how you do it if you are able to shallow the shaft well on the downswing, get the club face where you want it at impact, and hit it pure. The GG pivot is really gold. IMO, no one else teaches the feels and motions of the pivot like he does- including Dana. :nyam:

[JDogg206]

First round since fully committing to GG's pivot after a few range sessions and a scramble and I shot my lowest round to date; 76! Two doubles and I still went pretty low. Course rating for my club is 72.6/139 so I'm more than pumped about it. Keep with it fellas, it's worth the work.

[Santiago Golf]

GG, Johnny Ruiz, and Matt Wolff swings have similarities with Ledbetter's "A" swing with regards to the backswing and downswing moves. Others here have noted this previously. Clay Ballard has an interesting and unbiased video on the "A" swing, and what to watch out for if you overdo it, as he predicts many eventually will. This probably applies to the GG preferred model as well.

 

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I my experience it is better to slightly err on the side of a steeper back swing than a flat one. I therefore think that the A swing back swing has a lot of merit for GG's model.

 

The backswing in the GG/Kelvin M. are similar to A-Swing, though the downswing are completely different. In true A-Swing you are suppose to let the arms pass the body and flip through impact. In GG model you rotate your body more into impact and hold your impact position through the follow through.

 

The A-Swing takes a very slow tempo (Lydia Ko) and some great timing for it to work. I wouldn't recommend trying it

[Golfbeat]

I used the feeling of the left elbow down to get my hands high in the back swing and left elbow forward to shallow the club. Together with the GG pivot I really start to get it now. Driver was unbelievable.

 

 

Edit: in the back ground you can see Johnny hitting balls. It seems that he is hitting balls in every single GG video. Must be thousands and thousands of balls each week.

[Dbogey]

Since I'm working on this and trying to learn as much as possible I thought I would share a GG insta vid on where to start.

 

 

Enjoy!

[Llcoolj11]

I used the feeling of the left elbow down to get my hands high in the back swing and left elbow forward to shallow the club. Together with the GG pivot I really start to get it now. Driver was unbelievable.

 

 

Edit: in the back ground you can see Johnny hitting balls. It seems that he is hitting balls in every single GG video. Must be thousands and thousands of balls each week.

[pusb365]

Happy with my short irons and driver at the moment, struggling a bit with 4-6 irons, seem to hit a big slice with these longer irons for some reason.

 

The progress is good though, I'm very pleased.

[Bobalu]

New Clay Ballard left knee motion video gives an easy to understand perspective of proper left knee motion on the downswing squat (ala GG) with pelvic kick-up/straightening- lining up the left shoulder, left hip, and left ankle in a straight line position through impact. There's only a little lateral motion (bump) to the target. Clay however, does not seem to focus as much as GG on the importance of right knee flex/external rotation. This model is quite similar to GG's pivot, but a little simpler.

 

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[zzilb]

 

^ that video frpm gg on the grip is money! Not exactly ground breaking information, but a nice refresher and cool to see someone go through the cause and effects of different grips. The little shots at the end at 5:50 are awesome. Great reminder feel for proper impact. I like to take some practice swings like that on the course if things start falling apart.