Timeline for Phil to actually make his tee-time (assuming weather delay)

[new2g0lf]

It doesn't look good for Phil, weather for Thursday isn't as bad as what was thought earlier today and Phil would have to fly into Hartford Airport which is a bit of a drive though they did talk about a potential police escort.

[Hawkeye77]

Several days ago he said it was an easy decision to miss (not ponder missing) the tournament. Then two days ago he is actually talking about scenarios where a weather delay might get him there? Whomever was to get in as a result deserved to know for sure at that time. I still see his name up for a tee time on the USGA site. Just as Phil has been growing on me the past few years, he does this? Not cool at all. Not fair to another golfer to start waffling and being strange about it and not actually withdraw as of last week, and just as two faced now to be talking about going - apparently that easy decision in favor of family was no real decision at all, but he sure basked in all the credit for the announcement. Having trouble seeing why he would proceed as he has.

[SadTrombone]

Several days ago he said it was an easy decision to miss (not ponder missing) the tournament. Then two days ago he is actually talking about scenarios where a weather delay might get him there? Whomever was to get in as a result deserved to know for sure at that time. I still see his name up for a tee time on the USGA site. Just as Phil has been growing on me the past few years, he does this? Not cool at all. Not fair to another golfer to start waffling and being strange about it and not actually withdraw as of last week, and just as two faced now to be talking about going - apparently that easy decision in favor of family was no real decision at all, but he sure basked in all the credit for the announcement. Having trouble seeing why he would proceed as he has.

 

Have to disagree with the bolded. Phil qualified by virtue of his play. If the first alternate wanted to "deserve" to know he was playing, he should've qualified outright.

[cfgolf]

Several days ago he said it was an easy decision to miss (not ponder missing) the tournament. Then two days ago he is actually talking about scenarios where a weather delay might get him there? Whomever was to get in as a result deserved to know for sure at that time. I still see his name up for a tee time on the USGA site. Just as Phil has been growing on me the past few years, he does this? Not cool at all. Not fair to another golfer to start waffling and being strange about it and not actually withdraw as of last week, and just as two faced now to be talking about going - apparently that easy decision in favor of family was no real decision at all, but he sure basked in all the credit for the announcement. Having trouble seeing why he would proceed as he has.

 

Have to disagree with the bolded. Phil qualified by virtue of his play. If the first alternate wanted to "deserve" to know he was playing, he should've qualified outright.

 

Agree, the alternate is going to be hanging around all day no matter what Phil does. He may actually get to tee it up earlier in the day if someone else drops. Odds are he'll play unless the weather works in Phil's favor and if so, he's earned the spot many times over. I hate delays during majors but it would be pretty cool to see it work out for Phil.

[RP29]

I'm not going to argue with you over the semantics of flying a global 7000 into 4500' of RW, that being said I agree with everything you have stated and still maintain that it could easily pull it off. I have a 6000' Ops restriction for my aircraft but it's only for takeoff. I can come to a stop well short of that, in the 2500' range if i really tried (no cable). These guys have thrust reverse and spoilers and you're telling me they can't land with 1500' more then they are certified for? What's the civy rules in the US, gas to dest hold for 15 and an approach? + alternate gas and an approach to be wheels down with 0 lbs? Knowing the density of airports in the US they wouldn't have to go far.

 

Then all they have to do is file VFR 15 minutes downrange after they drop him off, not much gas on the plane and off they go.

 

What I described is both legal and realistic but without knowing the runway condition and avail approaches into that place no way to know for sure.

 

What I would like to stress though is that if it's pulled off it would be a marvel of organization.

Sure, and I can land in 1700'. I just did it in the sim. The book doesn't say so, so I'm not trying it, but if I was on fire and I saw a quarter mile strip of pavement, I could probably make it work. What you can do and what you may do are often different.

 

No, this is not legal as you describe it. First, they're not going to operate VFR, they're going to operate IFR on that length of flight. You know this. So they'll need destination fuel, potentially alternate fuel, and 45 minutes of reserve. Wheels down with 0 pounds? That further demonstrates that you're misinformed about what's safe, legal, realistic, and going to happen. VFR on a flight across the country? They'd need triple the fuel to pull it off, and they'd be 30 knots slower (maybe more...I'm sure I can dig up performance charts somewhere).

 

1500' "more then (sic) they are certified for" may sound like a lot, but it really isn't when you're talking about the wide range of operational weights used here. Remember, the numbers published by the OEM are going to be the airplane performing at it's best. So it'll be as light as possible to get a landing distance...then marketing can say "you can land in 3,000'!" Sure...you can...if you're empty with almost no fuel. Add to it, the FAA's "new" InFO where they're recommending to add (at a minimum) 15% to "book numbers" due to the insane number of runway over-runs, and again...4,500' goes out the window quickly.

 

They're not even going to be close to 4,500', at the weights they'll be at, carrying the fuel they'll have to be carrying...likely, even if it's dry. Throw in some rain? Forget it. 5,800'? Sure. Should be very minimal problem. 4,500' is just not much pavement in the real world.

 

Im going to assume it's my terrible phone typing that's not conveying the message and not you omitting to read what I wrote.

 

I never ever suggested they fly from Cali VFR. What I did suggest is that they are not going to fill the tanks with any more than what they need to get to their destination, fly a 15 minute hold, an approach and then fly to their alternate to land with 0 lbs at the alternate ( plus whatever their ops restriction for min fuel is) the next valid alternate is right next door. With that in mind I doubt they'll be landing any kind of heavy for that type A/C in fact they'll be on the light side leaving Carlsbad for sure.

 

My VFR comment was directed at the fact that it will be more difficult for them to depart that 4500' strip and they will likely do so completely empty with just enough gas for a puddle jump to Milwaukee or whatever.

 

Again, landing is not the limiting factor in RW length in my opinion, it's the ability to get off the ground.

[iutodd]

Several days ago he said it was an easy decision to miss (not ponder missing) the tournament. Then two days ago he is actually talking about scenarios where a weather delay might get him there? Whomever was to get in as a result deserved to know for sure at that time. I still see his name up for a tee time on the USGA site. Just as Phil has been growing on me the past few years, he does this? Not cool at all. Not fair to another golfer to start waffling and being strange about it and not actually withdraw as of last week, and just as two faced now to be talking about going - apparently that easy decision in favor of family was no real decision at all, but he sure basked in all the credit for the announcement. Having trouble seeing why he would proceed as he has.

 

Have to disagree with the bolded. Phil qualified by virtue of his play. If the first alternate wanted to "deserve" to know he was playing, he should've qualified outright.

 

Yes but Phil is holding a spot that he knows he can't make unless an act of God occurs. He's basically calling seniority which I always think is a pretty crappy thing to do. He's either in or he's out and he's getting a pass because he's popular. Think about the reactions if the tables were turned and Phil was the one hoping to get in...

 

And the first alternate is Roberto Diaz who lost in a playoff (out of 80 guys) to qualify. If he doesn't get in because Phil doesn't withdraw and just misses his tee time that's...sub optimal. Diaz is a 30 year old web.com guy who's never played in the US Open. Phil has played in like 20. Diaz has like $140,000 in earnings and is trying to earn a tour card...Mickelson is a millionaire with 46 tour wins. Phil is going to take away what might be this guys only chance to play in a US Open? C'mon.

 

And everyone is treating Phil like father of the year - he's literally going to his daughter's high school graduation...not exactly a high bar to clear...But if Phil does the right thing and withdraws then they BOTH get to enjoy once in a lifetime experiences and Phil doesn't have to run out of his daughter's graduation ceremony so he can go play golf (like father's of the year always do).

 

Maybe I just always root for the guys trying to break through. Or maybe I'm just tired of this story.

[Hawkeye77]

Several days ago he said it was an easy decision to miss (not ponder missing) the tournament. Then two days ago he is actually talking about scenarios where a weather delay might get him there? Whomever was to get in as a result deserved to know for sure at that time. I still see his name up for a tee time on the USGA site. Just as Phil has been growing on me the past few years, he does this? Not cool at all. Not fair to another golfer to start waffling and being strange about it and not actually withdraw as of last week, and just as two faced now to be talking about going - apparently that easy decision in favor of family was no real decision at all, but he sure basked in all the credit for the announcement. Having trouble seeing why he would proceed as he has.

 

Have to disagree with the bolded. Phil qualified by virtue of his play. If the first alternate wanted to "deserve" to know he was playing, he should've qualified outright.

 

Agree, the alternate is going to be hanging around all day no matter what Phil does. He may actually get to tee it up earlier in the day if someone else drops. Odds are he'll play unless the weather works in Phil's favor and if so, he's earned the spot many times over. I hate delays during majors but it would be pretty cool to see it work out for Phil.

 

Phil said he was out, made a big deal about it - turns out he wasn't. This purely weather related waffling and getting media play out of that is absolutely not fair to whomever would have gotten a definite go ahead and could make some definite plans, practice with a purpose for over a week, etc. Much different preparing in all sorts of ways than the kind of mindset you have if you might, maybe find out Wednesday of next week or whenever - not a minor deal at all and again, absolutely unfair.

 

Not a classy move by Phil.

[SadTrombone]

Several days ago he said it was an easy decision to miss (not ponder missing) the tournament. Then two days ago he is actually talking about scenarios where a weather delay might get him there? Whomever was to get in as a result deserved to know for sure at that time. I still see his name up for a tee time on the USGA site. Just as Phil has been growing on me the past few years, he does this? Not cool at all. Not fair to another golfer to start waffling and being strange about it and not actually withdraw as of last week, and just as two faced now to be talking about going - apparently that easy decision in favor of family was no real decision at all, but he sure basked in all the credit for the announcement. Having trouble seeing why he would proceed as he has.

 

Have to disagree with the bolded. Phil qualified by virtue of his play. If the first alternate wanted to "deserve" to know he was playing, he should've qualified outright.

 

Agree, the alternate is going to be hanging around all day no matter what Phil does. He may actually get to tee it up earlier in the day if someone else drops. Odds are he'll play unless the weather works in Phil's favor and if so, he's earned the spot many times over. I hate delays during majors but it would be pretty cool to see it work out for Phil.

 

Phil said he was out, made a big deal about it - turns out he wasn't. This purely weather related waffling and getting media play out of that is absolutely not fair to whomever would have gotten a definite go ahead and could make some definite plans, practice with a purpose for over a week, etc. Much different preparing in all sorts of ways than the kind of mindset you have if you might, maybe find out Wednesday of next week or whenever - not a minor deal at all and again, absolutely unfair.

 

Not a classy move by Phil.

 

They could've gotten a definite go-ahead by hitting one fewer stroke in Sectional Qualifying.

 

Unfair would be:

If Phil doesn't WD by the time the pairings are posted, the alternate doesn't play anyway.

 

He's going to camp out by the first tee.

[grm24]

Unfair would be:

If Phil doesn't WD by the time the pairings are posted, the alternate doesn't play anyway.

 

He's going to camp out by the first tee.

Correct. And if somebody W/D's before Phil first alternate is in and 2nd alternate is on standby for the next W/D Phil or not. Seems like at the time of this post no rain for Thursday for Hartford, WI. Site of Erin Hills per weather.gov a/k/a NOAA.

 

http://www.golfchann...hil-anyone-else

[theboypinoy]

Several days ago he said it was an easy decision to miss (not ponder missing) the tournament. Then two days ago he is actually talking about scenarios where a weather delay might get him there? Whomever was to get in as a result deserved to know for sure at that time. I still see his name up for a tee time on the USGA site. Just as Phil has been growing on me the past few years, he does this? Not cool at all. Not fair to another golfer to start waffling and being strange about it and not actually withdraw as of last week, and just as two faced now to be talking about going - apparently that easy decision in favor of family was no real decision at all, but he sure basked in all the credit for the announcement. Having trouble seeing why he would proceed as he has.

 

Have to disagree with the bolded. Phil qualified by virtue of his play. If the first alternate wanted to "deserve" to know he was playing, he should've qualified outright.

 

Agree, the alternate is going to be hanging around all day no matter what Phil does. He may actually get to tee it up earlier in the day if someone else drops. Odds are he'll play unless the weather works in Phil's favor and if so, he's earned the spot many times over. I hate delays during majors but it would be pretty cool to see it work out for Phil.

 

Phil said he was out, made a big deal about it - turns out he wasn't. This purely weather related waffling and getting media play out of that is absolutely not fair to whomever would have gotten a definite go ahead and could make some definite plans, practice with a purpose for over a week, etc. Much different preparing in all sorts of ways than the kind of mindset you have if you might, maybe find out Wednesday of next week or whenever - not a minor deal at all and again, absolutely unfair.

 

Not a classy move by Phil.

 

They could've gotten a definite go-ahead by hitting one fewer stroke in Sectional Qualifying.

 

Unfair would be:

If Phil doesn't WD by the time the pairings are posted, the alternate doesn't play anyway.

 

He's going to camp out by the first tee.

 

I'm sure he's there already at Erin HIlls. I'm sure you're correct

[Hawkeye77]

Several days ago he said it was an easy decision to miss (not ponder missing) the tournament. Then two days ago he is actually talking about scenarios where a weather delay might get him there? Whomever was to get in as a result deserved to know for sure at that time. I still see his name up for a tee time on the USGA site. Just as Phil has been growing on me the past few years, he does this? Not cool at all. Not fair to another golfer to start waffling and being strange about it and not actually withdraw as of last week, and just as two faced now to be talking about going - apparently that easy decision in favor of family was no real decision at all, but he sure basked in all the credit for the announcement. Having trouble seeing why he would proceed as he has.

 

Have to disagree with the bolded. Phil qualified by virtue of his play. If the first alternate wanted to "deserve" to know he was playing, he should've qualified outright.

 

Agree, the alternate is going to be hanging around all day no matter what Phil does. He may actually get to tee it up earlier in the day if someone else drops. Odds are he'll play unless the weather works in Phil's favor and if so, he's earned the spot many times over. I hate delays during majors but it would be pretty cool to see it work out for Phil.

 

Phil said he was out, made a big deal about it - turns out he wasn't. This purely weather related waffling and getting media play out of that is absolutely not fair to whomever would have gotten a definite go ahead and could make some definite plans, practice with a purpose for over a week, etc. Much different preparing in all sorts of ways than the kind of mindset you have if you might, maybe find out Wednesday of next week or whenever - not a minor deal at all and again, absolutely unfair.

 

Not a classy move by Phil.

 

They could've gotten a definite go-ahead by hitting one fewer stroke in Sectional Qualifying.

 

Unfair would be:

If Phil doesn't WD by the time the pairings are posted, the alternate doesn't play anyway.

 

He's going to camp out by the first tee.

 

Phil now doesn't play "for real" he's already screwed up a week's proper preparation for another player (yes, alternate who deserved more definite info) to look good in the media telling a whopper about how he's not going to play. Miss the point all you wish, but that's the reality and Phil doesn't deserve the pass he's getting now it's clear he never really WD.

[SadTrombone]

Phil now doesn't play "for real" he's already screwed up a week's proper preparation for another player (yes, alternate who deserved more definite info) to look good in the media telling a whopper about how he's not going to play. Miss the point all you wish, but that's the reality and Phil doesn't deserve the pass he's getting now it's clear he never really WD.

 

The Alternates are allowed to practice (including playing practice rounds) at the US Open. They're still getting a week's worth of proper preparation.

 

There's no point to miss. You're making no point.

 

http://www.golf.com/tour-news/2017/06/08/usga-will-allow-alternates-play-practice-rounds-us-open

[deadsolid...shank]

isnt the "next up" alternate always going to be waiting right up til the end? It's Phil's spot until he absolutely cannot tee it up. He doesn't owe any of the alternates anything.

[Hawkeye77]

Phil now doesn't play "for real" he's already screwed up a week's proper preparation for another player (yes, alternate who deserved more definite info) to look good in the media telling a whopper about how he's not going to play. Miss the point all you wish, but that's the reality and Phil doesn't deserve the pass he's getting now it's clear he never really WD.

 

The Alternates are allowed to practice (including playing practice rounds) at the US Open. They're still getting a week's worth of proper preparation.

 

There's no point to miss. You're making no point.

 

Not the same mindset, not the "same" preparation as knowing you are in - pretty obvious differences in several ways. Diaz at least says the right things. Nice that one reporter not giving Phil a pass.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2017/06/13/radar-makes-choice-clear-phil-mickelson-us-open/102827376/

[SadTrombone]

isnt the "next up" alternate always going to be waiting right up til the end? It's Phil's spot until he absolutely cannot tee it up. He doesn't owe any of the alternates anything.

 

Played to an extreme you could cry "what about the next alternate?!" and that's fine... There were 12 sectional qualifying sites. So there's most likely a dozen (maybe more, I don't know) alternates on site juuuuust in case. The odds that the field starts with 155 players because Phil doesn't WD until 3 minutes before his tee time are exceptionally low.

 

Every spot will be taken.

 

Every first alternate is getting the same preparation that exempt and qualified players are getting.

 

Play well enough, you earn an exemption or you qualify. Don't, and you don't. This is as "fair" as it gets. Phil earned his spot. It'll go to the first alternate available when he doesn't show up.

[SadTrombone]

Phil now doesn't play "for real" he's already screwed up a week's proper preparation for another player (yes, alternate who deserved more definite info) to look good in the media telling a whopper about how he's not going to play. Miss the point all you wish, but that's the reality and Phil doesn't deserve the pass he's getting now it's clear he never really WD.

 

The Alternates are allowed to practice (including playing practice rounds) at the US Open. They're still getting a week's worth of proper preparation.

 

There's no point to miss. You're making no point.

 

Not the same mindset, not the "same" preparation as knowing you are in - pretty obvious differences in several ways. Diaz at least says the right things. Nice that one reporter not giving Phil a pass.

 

https://www.usatoday...open/102827376/

 

Bad link, Hawk. Diaz isn't going to change my opinion on it, but I'd be interested in reading anyway if you could check it and repost.

[Hawkeye77]

isnt the "next up" alternate always going to be waiting right up til the end? It's Phil's spot until he absolutely cannot tee it up. He doesn't owe any of the alternates anything.

 

I agree, except when Phil says a week or more ago, he isn't playing and allegedly meant it, it becomes a different situation. His later revelation and not WD because he's hoping for a weather delay is, in my opinion, poor behavior.

 

I get he earned the spot, but this is different than a last minute WD for unexpected reasons.

 

Obviously, not an opinion shared by all, but that's why this place keeps chugging along.

 

 

[b.helts]

Phil now doesn't play "for real" he's already screwed up a week's proper preparation for another player (yes, alternate who deserved more definite info) to look good in the media telling a whopper about how he's not going to play. Miss the point all you wish, but that's the reality and Phil doesn't deserve the pass he's getting now it's clear he never really WD.

 

The Alternates are allowed to practice (including playing practice rounds) at the US Open. They're still getting a week's worth of proper preparation.

 

There's no point to miss. You're making no point.

 

Not the same mindset, not the "same" preparation as knowing you are in - pretty obvious differences in several ways. Diaz at least says the right things. Nice that one reporter not giving Phil a pass.

 

https://www.usatoday...open/102827376/

 

Bad link, Hawk. Diaz isn't going to change my opinion on it, but I'd be interested in reading anyway if you could check it and repost.

link a ok for me SadTrombone

[SadTrombone]

Phil now doesn't play "for real" he's already screwed up a week's proper preparation for another player (yes, alternate who deserved more definite info) to look good in the media telling a whopper about how he's not going to play. Miss the point all you wish, but that's the reality and Phil doesn't deserve the pass he's getting now it's clear he never really WD.

 

The Alternates are allowed to practice (including playing practice rounds) at the US Open. They're still getting a week's worth of proper preparation.

 

There's no point to miss. You're making no point.

 

Not the same mindset, not the "same" preparation as knowing you are in - pretty obvious differences in several ways. Diaz at least says the right things. Nice that one reporter not giving Phil a pass.

 

https://www.usatoday...open/102827376/

 

Bad link, Hawk. Diaz isn't going to change my opinion on it, but I'd be interested in reading anyway if you could check it and repost.

link a ok for me SadTrombone

 

 

[bladehunter]

Sorry but I agree. Phil earned the spot and the right to hold it as long as he chooses. Alternates are just that. Alternates. And are treated as such. Want in forsure? Play better.

[Hawkeye77]

Phil now doesn't play "for real" he's already screwed up a week's proper preparation for another player (yes, alternate who deserved more definite info) to look good in the media telling a whopper about how he's not going to play. Miss the point all you wish, but that's the reality and Phil doesn't deserve the pass he's getting now it's clear he never really WD.

 

The Alternates are allowed to practice (including playing practice rounds) at the US Open. They're still getting a week's worth of proper preparation.

 

There's no point to miss. You're making no point.

 

Not the same mindset, not the "same" preparation as knowing you are in - pretty obvious differences in several ways. Diaz at least says the right things. Nice that one reporter not giving Phil a pass.

 

https://www.usatoday...open/102827376/

 

Bad link, Hawk. Diaz isn't going to change my opinion on it, but I'd be interested in reading anyway if you could check it and repost.

 

Sorry - works when I click on it, don't know what to do about that. Short piece by Nancy Armour I just noticed looking to see if Phil had updated his status.

[SadTrombone]

Working now. Thanks I'll check out the article.

[Hawkeye77]

Sorry but I agree. Phil earned the spot and the right to hold it as long as he chooses. Alternates are just that. Alternates. And are treated as such. Want in forsure? Play better.

 

I'm normally in the play better/hard line camp for sure. Guess I bought into Phil's original story/family first/absolutely no problem being out and was very surprised to see the article about his really not being out from the other day.

[deadsolid...shank]

isnt the "next up" alternate always going to be waiting right up til the end? It's Phil's spot until he absolutely cannot tee it up. He doesn't owe any of the alternates anything.

 

I agree, except when Phil says a week or more ago, he isn't playing and allegedly meant it, it becomes a different situation. His later revelation and not WD because he's hoping for a weather delay is, in my opinion, poor behavior.

 

I get he earned the spot, but this is different than a last minute WD for unexpected reasons.

 

Obviously, not an opinion shared by all, but that's why this place keeps chugging along.

 

I hear where you're coming from Hawkeye, and certainly understand that point of view.

 

I just think it changed when the slight possibility of making it work happened, it's within his rights to wait til the last possible minute to see if it can.

 

I'm guessing most alternates understand that its likely they won't know if they have a spot until the last moment. I would also suspect that they prepare with that scenario in mind.

 

What I don't know is, and hopefully someone does, is can Phil call from the plane 10 minutes before his time and say "nope won't make it" and the alternate still gets the start. Or does he have to notify them longer in advance? If the second is the case, then I would probably be inclined to say he should WD now. Would hate to the spot just go unused.

[SadTrombone]

Sorry but I agree. Phil earned the spot and the right to hold it as long as he chooses. Alternates are just that. Alternates. And are treated as such. Want in forsure? Play better.

 

I'm normally in the play better/hard line camp for sure. Guess I bought into Phil's original story/family first/absolutely no problem being out and was very surprised to see the article about his really not being out from the other day.

 

Family first, golf second.

 

Amanda's graduation first, US Open second (if the stars align).

 

I don't see how what he is doing contradicts a "family first" position.

[SadTrombone]

isnt the "next up" alternate always going to be waiting right up til the end? It's Phil's spot until he absolutely cannot tee it up. He doesn't owe any of the alternates anything.

 

I agree, except when Phil says a week or more ago, he isn't playing and allegedly meant it, it becomes a different situation. His later revelation and not WD because he's hoping for a weather delay is, in my opinion, poor behavior.

 

I get he earned the spot, but this is different than a last minute WD for unexpected reasons.

 

Obviously, not an opinion shared by all, but that's why this place keeps chugging along.

 

I hear where you're coming from Hawkeye, and certainly understand that point of view.

 

I just think it changed when the slight possibility of making it work happened, it's within his rights to wait til the last possible minute to see if it can.

 

I'm guessing most alternates understand that its likely they won't know if they have a spot until the last moment. I would also suspect that they prepare with that scenario in mind.

 

What I don't know is, and hopefully someone does, is can Phil call from the plane 10 minutes before his time and say "nope won't make it" and the alternate still gets the start. Or does he have to notify them longer in advance? If the second is the case, then I would probably be inclined to say he should WD now. Would hate to the spot just go unused.

 

He'll have the capability to call ( I'd imagine he'll have wifi calling or a Sat Phone at the very least ) but if only two guys show up to the tee, the first available alternate gets the nod.

 

It's not like he's screwing someone by not showing up. In the US Open Application it mentions registering in person by (I think usually it's Tuesday morning) and if you can't, you make arrangements. I have zero doubt that the USGA is well aware of his intentions and are staying on top of it.

[Hawkeye77]

Sorry but I agree. Phil earned the spot and the right to hold it as long as he chooses. Alternates are just that. Alternates. And are treated as such. Want in forsure? Play better.

 

I'm normally in the play better/hard line camp for sure. Guess I bought into Phil's original story/family first/absolutely no problem being out and was very surprised to see the article about his really not being out from the other day.

 

Family first, golf second.

 

Amanda's graduation first, US Open second (if the stars align).

 

I don't see how what he is doing contradicts a "family first" position.

 

I do when the family first announcement was made as a definite announcement he was skipping the tournament. Then a few days later it's clear he never really was skipping. That's the context of my issue.

 

If he'd simply said all along the minute the ceremony was over he was hopping a plane if the weather gave him a break, then I'd view that differently.

 

Guess that's what it boils down to for me.

[SadTrombone]

Sorry but I agree. Phil earned the spot and the right to hold it as long as he chooses. Alternates are just that. Alternates. And are treated as such. Want in forsure? Play better.

 

I'm normally in the play better/hard line camp for sure. Guess I bought into Phil's original story/family first/absolutely no problem being out and was very surprised to see the article about his really not being out from the other day.

 

Family first, golf second.

 

Amanda's graduation first, US Open second (if the stars align).

 

I don't see how what he is doing contradicts a "family first" position.

 

I do when the family first announcement was made as a definite announcement he was skipping the tournament. Then a few days later it's clear he never really was skipping. That's the context of my issue.

 

If he'd simply said all along the minute the ceremony was over he was hopping a plane if the weather gave him a break, then I'd view that differently.

 

Guess that's what it boils down to for me.

I thought the issue was that Phil not definitely WDing was preventing an alternate from preparing properly. If he did it the way you're proposing, it still wouldn't change the way the alternates get to prepare.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Given the forecast it really looks doubtful that there will be a weather delay on Thursday now. The potential storms from Weds should have cleared.

[Hawkeye77]

Sorry but I agree. Phil earned the spot and the right to hold it as long as he chooses. Alternates are just that. Alternates. And are treated as such. Want in forsure? Play better.

 

I'm normally in the play better/hard line camp for sure. Guess I bought into Phil's original story/family first/absolutely no problem being out and was very surprised to see the article about his really not being out from the other day.

 

Family first, golf second.

 

Amanda's graduation first, US Open second (if the stars align).

 

I don't see how what he is doing contradicts a "family first" position.

 

I do when the family first announcement was made as a definite announcement he was skipping the tournament. Then a few days later it's clear he never really was skipping. That's the context of my issue.

 

If he'd simply said all along the minute the ceremony was over he was hopping a plane if the weather gave him a break, then I'd view that differently.

 

Guess that's what it boils down to for me.

I thought the issue was that Phil not definitely WDing was preventing an alternate from preparing properly. If he did it the way you're proposing, it still wouldn't change the way the alternates get to prepare.

 

I'd still would have believed whomever would have gotten the definite in was getting the short end of the stick from Phil, but at least Phil would have been honest about it from the start vs. how he chose to make himself look good with the original but disingenuous announcement.

 

And I know what you are saying, but if Phil gets it both ways so do I!

 

Guessing he makes the definite WD call today and will now claim he wants to be as fair as he can to the other guys.

 

Only about 42 hours back from a great little vacation (and exhausted from relaxing, lol), guess my cynicism should have stayed in SoCal a little longer. ;-)