Tiger Woods WITB 2017

[rxk9fan]

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

I am totally prepared to get flamed for this but here goes :-)

Are there others out there who think any kind of long termed contract and possibly even any agreement with Tiger to represent any company might be a mistake? Even IF he can find a way to be competitive again for 4 rounds of golf in a week, can he represent TM and the game of golf in a way that you want to be represented? Golf at the professional level can still be considered a game full of respect, honor, and class. Tiger has not proven to be capable of even representing himself or his family with respect nor honor nor class IMO. I know for one, I am a club HO and love to see and read about WITB and whatever Tiger plays would actually be one set I would not even consider.

Just one guys opinion!

[BearQ]

Personally most intrigued to see what his 2/3 iron choice will be - either UDI or p790 UDI - custom and reduced offset for sureeee

[Holy Moses]

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

I am totally prepared to get flamed for this but here goes :-)

Are there others out there who think any kind of long termed contract and possibly even any agreement with Tiger to represent any company might be a mistake? Even IF he can find a way to be competitive again for 4 rounds of golf in a week, can he represent TM and the game of golf in a way that you want to be represented? Golf at the professional level can still be considered a game full of respect, honor, and class. Tiger has not proven to be capable of even representing himself or his family with respect nor honor nor class IMO. I know for one, I am a club HO and love to see and read about WITB and whatever Tiger plays would actually be one set I would not even consider.

Just one guys opinion!

 

They would be bad deals, but Tiger’s most recent contracts are all heavily determined by the amount of tournaments he plays. If he’s hurt, TaylorMade and Bridgestone are on the hook for very little.

[Gax]

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

I am totally prepared to get flamed for this but here goes :-)

Are there others out there who think any kind of long termed contract and possibly even any agreement with Tiger to represent any company might be a mistake? Even IF he can find a way to be competitive again for 4 rounds of golf in a week, can he represent TM and the game of golf in a way that you want to be represented? Golf at the professional level can still be considered a game full of respect, honor, and class. Tiger has not proven to be capable of even representing himself or his family with respect nor honor nor class IMO. I know for one, I am a club HO and love to see and read about WITB and whatever Tiger plays would actually be one set I would not even consider.

Just one guys opinion!

 

I don't disagree with your point on the image of Tiger, but I think you miss a big part of what is Tiger's image.

 

He certainly did bad things, but he's achieved a lot. At the end of the day, company will weight in the pros & cons but I'm pretty sure from their standpoint it boils down to advertising we have these guys and Tiger Woods on our staffers... You get a massive marketing product right there. Might not work for you, but for some people it might be a big plus to say they're playing Tiger's clubs.

 

As Holy Moses pointed, it might go for cheap from Bridgestone & TM, but I don't even believe so : it would go to offer & demand. At the moment Tiger isn't performing and there's not a big demand for him. Say he plays well in that tournament, Callaway will give him a phone call, suddenly his deal with TM will be negociated differently...

 

So if he's got specific contract at the moment, it might also be a choice to negociate at the best time for him to get the best deal ?

[dlygrisse]

Doubtful tiger would need to have a contract rewritten. His contracts before have always allowed him to play whatever he wanted.

 

I am of the opinion TM wedges are a big problem for Rory right now. Leading edge height not low enough for him causing him to punt his wedges instead of nip them.

 

Doubtful tiger would need to have a contract rewritten. His contracts before have always allowed him to play whatever he wanted.

 

I am of the opinion TM wedges are a big problem for Rory right now. Leading edge height not low enough for him causing him to punt his wedges instead of nip them.

So TM doesn’t have the ability to custom grind wedges? Makes no sense.

[bladehunter]

When he was at Nike he could play whatever he felt was best. His revenue was influenced by number of clubs in his bag but he had the freedom to play other stuff if he felt it was better.

 

No way. There’s a reason Tiger went to his Scotty Cameron as soon as Nike golf left the business.

 

 

 

He was leaving money on the table by not playing the Nike putter. I said that. He didn't have to play it. He decided it was good enough given the money he was leaving on the table.

 

Could Tiger have played all non-Nike clubs and still been paid by Nike golf?

 

Define paid. As in aid the same ? Or not paid at all? Tiger will be laying the artisan TGR irons and I'd be surprised if not Nike wedges.

[bladehunter]

Doubtful tiger would need to have a contract rewritten. His contracts before have always allowed him to play whatever he wanted.

 

I am of the opinion TM wedges are a big problem for Rory right now. Leading edge height not low enough for him causing him to punt his wedges instead of nip them.

 

Doubtful tiger would need to have a contract rewritten. His contracts before have always allowed him to play whatever he wanted.

 

I am of the opinion TM wedges are a big problem for Rory right now. Leading edge height not low enough for him causing him to punt his wedges instead of nip them.

So TM doesn’t have the ability to custom grind wedges? Makes no sense.

 

Defintely debatable. If you saw the crusty job they did on justin roses new high toe lob wedge you'd agree. Was a quickie attempt at copying the pm grind. Worked though. Rose has made it work. But defintely not MT level guys grindin on their wedges judging by that one.

[Holy Moses]

When he was at Nike he could play whatever he felt was best. His revenue was influenced by number of clubs in his bag but he had the freedom to play other stuff if he felt it was better.

 

No way. There’s a reason Tiger went to his Scotty Cameron as soon as Nike golf left the business.

 

 

 

He was leaving money on the table by not playing the Nike putter. I said that. He didn't have to play it. He decided it was good enough given the money he was leaving on the table.

 

Could Tiger have played all non-Nike clubs and still been paid by Nike golf?

 

Define paid. As in aid the same ? Or not paid at all? Tiger will be laying the artisan TGR irons and I'd be surprised if not Nike wedges.

 

I probably agree with that point, but what I was responding to was whether Tiger had the ability as a Nike golf staffer back in the day to play a full bag of non-Nike clubs if he so wished.

[HeadonaStick]

I may have missed it, but one reason that he may be signed to a 13 club deal is so that he doesn't advertise for another brand. Without seeing the contract, it may simple state that Tiger may not play, say, Callaway clubs, for money and appear in Callaway advertisements. And whether or not he plays TM irons, they can still say he is under contract for 13 clubs.

[Holy Moses]

I may have missed it, but one reason that he may be signed to a 13 club deal is so that he doesn't advertise for another brand. Without seeing the contract, it may simple state that Tiger may not play, say, Callaway clubs, for money and appear in Callaway advertisements. And whether or not he plays TM irons, they can still say he is under contract for 13 clubs.

 

Problem for TaylorMade is that if Tiger only plays their woods and he hits the ball all over the map like he was before, it’s not a great endorsement. Tiger’s strength will be irons and putting and (for now) he won’t be using TM clubs for those shots. Maybe the average golf fan won’t notice.

[HeadonaStick]

I may have missed it, but one reason that he may be signed to a 13 club deal is so that he doesn't advertise for another brand. Without seeing the contract, it may simple state that Tiger may not play, say, Callaway clubs, for money and appear in Callaway advertisements. And whether or not he plays TM irons, they can still say he is under contract for 13 clubs.

 

Problem for TaylorMade is that if Tiger only plays their woods and he hits the ball all over the map like he was before, it's not a great endorsement. Tiger's strength will be irons and putting and (for now) he won't be using TM clubs for those shots. Maybe the average golf fan won't notice.

I don't disagree but TM has already decided it is a great endorsement. If Tiger hits the ball all over the map with his woods, his iron play isn't going to help anyway.

[jbole267]

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

I am totally prepared to get flamed for this but here goes :-)

Are there others out there who think any kind of long termed contract and possibly even any agreement with Tiger to represent any company might be a mistake? Even IF he can find a way to be competitive again for 4 rounds of golf in a week, can he represent TM and the game of golf in a way that you want to be represented? Golf at the professional level can still be considered a game full of respect, honor, and class. Tiger has not proven to be capable of even representing himself or his family with respect nor honor nor class IMO. I know for one, I am a club HO and love to see and read about WITB and whatever Tiger plays would actually be one set I would not even consider.

Just one guys opinion!

 

They would be bad deals, but Tigers most recent contracts are all heavily determined by the amount of tournaments he plays. If hes hurt, TaylorMade and Bridgestone are on the hook for very little.

 

It’s Tiger freakin WOODS! If he plays any bit remotely decent and bags Taylormade clubs then that’s a huge draw to the club manufacturer.

 

If Tiger is playing Taylormade and playing well enough to be consistently making weekends then I will be playing Taylormade too. I’m sure I can’t be alone here lol.

[buckeyefl]

I may have missed it, but one reason that he may be signed to a 13 club deal is so that he doesn't advertise for another brand. Without seeing the contract, it may simple state that Tiger may not play, say, Callaway clubs, for money and appear in Callaway advertisements. And whether or not he plays TM irons, they can still say he is under contract for 13 clubs.

 

Problem for TaylorMade is that if Tiger only plays their woods and he hits the ball all over the map like he was before, it’s not a great endorsement. Tiger’s strength will be irons and putting and (for now) he won’t be using TM clubs for those shots. Maybe the average golf fan won’t notice.

 

How he hits the clubs will mean very little. The fact that he plays them is all they need.

[Holy Moses]

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

I am totally prepared to get flamed for this but here goes :-)

Are there others out there who think any kind of long termed contract and possibly even any agreement with Tiger to represent any company might be a mistake? Even IF he can find a way to be competitive again for 4 rounds of golf in a week, can he represent TM and the game of golf in a way that you want to be represented? Golf at the professional level can still be considered a game full of respect, honor, and class. Tiger has not proven to be capable of even representing himself or his family with respect nor honor nor class IMO. I know for one, I am a club HO and love to see and read about WITB and whatever Tiger plays would actually be one set I would not even consider.

Just one guys opinion!

 

They would be bad deals, but Tiger’s most recent contracts are all heavily determined by the amount of tournaments he plays. If he’s hurt, TaylorMade and Bridgestone are on the hook for very little.

 

It’s Tiger freakin WOODS! If he plays any bit remotely decent and bags Taylormade clubs then that’s a huge draw to the club manufacturer.

 

If Tiger is playing Taylormade and playing well enough to be consistently making weekends then I will be playing Taylormade too. I’m sure I can’t be alone here lol.

 

Yes, but if TaylorMade hadn’t been mostly paying Tiger based on tournaments played, it would be a very risky endeavor. Tiger built Nike golf, and then helped sink it by being injured. TaylorMade has other players to rely on now, but signing Tiger can be really risky if there aren’t strong incentives.

[Holy Moses]

I may have missed it, but one reason that he may be signed to a 13 club deal is so that he doesn't advertise for another brand. Without seeing the contract, it may simple state that Tiger may not play, say, Callaway clubs, for money and appear in Callaway advertisements. And whether or not he plays TM irons, they can still say he is under contract for 13 clubs.

 

Problem for TaylorMade is that if Tiger only plays their woods and he hits the ball all over the map like he was before, it’s not a great endorsement. Tiger’s strength will be irons and putting and (for now) he won’t be using TM clubs for those shots. Maybe the average golf fan won’t notice.

 

How he hits the clubs will mean very little. The fact that he plays them is all they need.

 

If Tiger is consistently hitting foul balls, he won’t be playing on the weekends. TaylorMade wants Tiger near the lead and then winning to make the money they want to make. Playing is better than being hurt, but just being out there and missing cuts is better than nothing, but not that great.

[Fort Worth Pro]

Doubtful tiger would need to have a contract rewritten. His contracts before have always allowed him to play whatever he wanted.

 

I am of the opinion TM wedges are a big problem for Rory right now. Leading edge height not low enough for him causing him to punt his wedges instead of nip them.

 

Doubtful tiger would need to have a contract rewritten. His contracts before have always allowed him to play whatever he wanted.

 

I am of the opinion TM wedges are a big problem for Rory right now. Leading edge height not low enough for him causing him to punt his wedges instead of nip them.

So TM doesn’t have the ability to custom grind wedges? Makes no sense.

 

They can grind wedges but to my knowledge they are not working off of raw forgings which limits their ability to manipulate certain aspects of the club.

[dlygrisse]

Doubtful tiger would need to have a contract rewritten. His contracts before have always allowed him to play whatever he wanted.

 

I am of the opinion TM wedges are a big problem for Rory right now. Leading edge height not low enough for him causing him to punt his wedges instead of nip them.

 

Doubtful tiger would need to have a contract rewritten. His contracts before have always allowed him to play whatever he wanted.

 

I am of the opinion TM wedges are a big problem for Rory right now. Leading edge height not low enough for him causing him to punt his wedges instead of nip them.

So TM doesn’t have the ability to custom grind wedges? Makes no sense.

 

They can grind wedges but to my knowledge they are not working off of raw forgings which limits their ability to manipulate certain aspects of the club.

so you are saying TM doesn’t have the ability to provide one of the best players of his generation with clubs that meet his needs? Ridiculous.

[Fort Worth Pro]

When he was at Nike he could play whatever he felt was best. His revenue was influenced by number of clubs in his bag but he had the freedom to play other stuff if he felt it was better.

 

No way. There’s a reason Tiger went to his Scotty Cameron as soon as Nike golf left the business.

 

He was leaving money on the table by not playing the Nike putter. I said that. He didn't have to play it. He decided it was good enough given the money he was leaving on the table.

 

Could Tiger have played all non-Nike clubs and still been paid by Nike golf?

 

I don't know all the details of his contract. When I worked at Nike I was told multiple times he wouldn't switch until he was convinced what we put in his hands was better. St that point and time he was not in the 3 wood or the putter. I was also told he was leaving a good chunk of money on the table by not having them in the bag.

 

My guess is he was paid to wear the clothes, per club, bonuses for performance , and I know he was paid some based on club sales.

[Fort Worth Pro]

so you are saying TM doesn’t have the ability to provide one of the best players of his generation with clubs that meet his needs? Ridiculous.

 

If you aren't working with raw forgings then you are limited in what you can do to manipulate the club's dynamics. Interpret that how you want

[Holy Moses]

When he was at Nike he could play whatever he felt was best. His revenue was influenced by number of clubs in his bag but he had the freedom to play other stuff if he felt it was better.

 

No way. There’s a reason Tiger went to his Scotty Cameron as soon as Nike golf left the business.

 

He was leaving money on the table by not playing the Nike putter. I said that. He didn't have to play it. He decided it was good enough given the money he was leaving on the table.

 

Could Tiger have played all non-Nike clubs and still been paid by Nike golf?

 

I don't know all the details of his contract. When I worked at Nike I was told multiple times he wouldn't switch until he was convinced what we put in his hands was better. St that point and time he was not in the 3 wood or the putter. I was also told he was leaving a good chunk of money on the table by not having them in the bag.

 

My guess is he was paid to wear the clothes, per club, bonuses for performance , and I know he was paid some based on club sales.

 

It’s one thing to wait until Nike made him a club he likes (most likely what is happening with TM irons now), it’s another to think that after some time Tiger can be paid by Nike for playing someone else’s stuff. There has to be some soft cap on when Tiger needed to be using Nike clubs.

[Fort Worth Pro]

 

 

It’s one thing to wait until Nike made him a club he likes (most likely what is happening with TM irons now), it’s another to think that after some time Tiger can be paid by Nike for playing someone else’s stuff. There has to be some soft cap on when Tiger needed to be using Nike clubs.

 

J was told repeatedly he would. It change until he was convinced it was better and they couldn't force him to. This was years into his contract and the 3 wood was still a few years away and the putter was more than that. I am sure TM is sending him clubs and working on irons. He won't switch just to switch.

[jonn443]

I think we are going to see the TGR irons in play with an M1/M2 driver, M2 3/5 wood, a 790 2/3 iron, Nike wedges, and Ol' Reliable (SC NP2).

[Santiago Golf]

I think we are going to see the TGR irons in play with an M1/M2 driver, M2 3/5 wood, a 790 2/3 iron, Nike wedges, and Ol' Reliable (SC NP2).

 

Driver: 2016 M2

3 wood and 5 wood: 2017 M1

Driving Iron: UDI or PSi TP 2 iron

Irons: TGR

Wedges: TGR

Putter: Scotty (honestly would love to see him go back to the Tei3 he won the Masters in 97)

Ball: Bridgestone B330S

[dfegan358]

The TGR are basically the VR pros or are they a new forging from MT ?

 

Is tiger not using the new Bridgestone Tour B XS?

[PowderedToastMan]

Buff out the TGR Logo, and stamp in a Taylormade logo. PowderedToastMan’s guide to adjusting simply to Taylormade irons.

[Pigems]

I can’t seem to get this search/Site to work on my iPad. I was trying to search to see if Tigers TGR Irons were on the conforming clubs list. Anyone else able to get it to work, or already know the answer?

 

http://www.usga.org/InfoClubsDB/Search.aspx

[Holy Moses]

I can’t seem to get this search/Site to work on my iPad. I was trying to search to see if Tigers TGR Irons were on the conforming clubs list. Anyone else able to get it to work, or already know the answer?

 

http://www.usga.org/InfoClubsDB/Search.aspx

 

They are VR Pros, so they are conforming, no?

[Pigems]

I can’t seem to get this search/Site to work on my iPad. I was trying to search to see if Tigers TGR Irons were on the conforming clubs list. Anyone else able to get it to work, or already know the answer?

 

http://www.usga.org/InfoClubsDB/Search.aspx

 

They are VR Pros, so they are conforming, no?

 

I’m not really sure how it works, I assumed to be legal for play they’d have to be on that list. But what do I know? I’m just some guy from Nova Scotia :)

[Santiago Golf]

The TGR are basically the VR pros or are they a new forging from MT ?

 

Is tiger not using the new Bridgestone Tour B XS?

Thats a good question on the balls. I guessing he would go with something he knows but then he really only knew that ball for 4 events (13 Pres Cup, Hero, Torry, Dubia)

[pjc]

Aren't the TGR irons made by Artisan golf? I understand that is the guy's new company from Nike that he is running from the Oven in Texas. I think eventually he will be playing these Artisan irons and wedges however they are stamped. His other clubs will be Taylormade, Driver, fairway, utility/driving iron. I think this was kind of stated above, but I am re-stating it because I agree. It's my belief that the guy behind Artisan is his "man" and he has trust and confidence with him to get his irons and wedges exactly the way he desires.